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EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:33 am

Etihad's first A350-1000 test reg F-WZNI (A6-XWB) was sent to Bordeaux for storage. It is unclear at this time for how long and whether the airline will actually take delivery of the aircraft as apparently EY has not trained pilots for the A350, though some pilots from HX are now flying with EY.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-wzni
 
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:38 am

How bad is EY struggling? If they cannot take up an aircraft that is pretty serious.

So much for all the hype and glitz a few years back with all these big deals.
 
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:47 am

asuflyer wrote:
Etihad's first A350-1000 test reg F-WZNI (A6-XWB) was sent to Bordeaux for storage. It is unclear at this time for how long and whether the airline will actually take delivery of the aircraft as apparently EY has not trained pilots for the A350, though some pilots from HX are now flying with EY.


While I do agree that a subfleet of just 5 aircraft, would not be terribly efficient with a widebody fleet that otherwise is converging towards a mixture of B77W/B789/B781, why would EY have gone through the effort of sending the aircraft to the paint shop and presumably have its interior fitted if there were no plans to operate the aircraft in the first place?

A look a the GDS currently reveals a gradual winding down of A330 operations, of which 13 A332 and 3 A333 remain active, with many of the current routes transitioning to B789 that are either newly delivered and freed up by the deployment of new B781 capacity elsewhere in the network. By the end of the year, the A330 operation will be just marginal. but there is no sign of any A351 planning whatsoever.
 
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:51 am

Always thought it weird, all those years ago, that Abu Dhabi didn’t invest in EK rather than starting EY. How much money has been lost by this airline and their various acquisitions?! Rhetorical and actual question.
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:15 am

Motorhussy wrote:
Always thought it weird, all those years ago, that Abu Dhabi didn’t invest in EK rather than starting EY. How much money has been lost by this airline and their various acquisitions?! Rhetorical and actual question.

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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:27 am

It's very hard to say what the Plans are for the UAE, Abu Dhabi, and Qatar might be suffice to say they haven't as of yet merged.
(which maybe they could and should do since their Turf is so close, ) They do not give the Idea that their total strategy is get known were they TO merge? They could become a regional Powerhouse working in unison rather than 3 part dissonance.
 
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:41 am

strfyr51 wrote:
It's very hard to say what the Plans are for the UAE, Abu Dhabi, and Qatar might be suffice to say they haven't as of yet merged.
(which maybe they could and should do since their Turf is so close, ) They do not give the Idea that their total strategy is get known were they TO merge? They could become a regional Powerhouse working in unison rather than 3 part dissonance.


Qatar isn’t part of the UAE hence they have been banned from flying within UAE & several other airspace’s within the region.

As for EY their troubles started with the man at the top JH investing in non-profitable carriers which have either ceased flying or not return a profit to date.

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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:41 am

A35K looked so good in EY Colors, it was the best livery for the A35K till now.
 
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:54 am

I don't think BOD is known for long-term aircraft storage, even new ones. Probably won't be there long.
 
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:48 am

Maybe it needs interior fit out etc?

Is any confirmation that cabin has been done? Would be nice to see what layout Eihtihad uses.
 
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:11 am

Motorhussy wrote:
Always thought it weird, all those years ago, that Abu Dhabi didn’t invest in EK rather than starting EY. How much money has been lost by this airline and their various acquisitions?! Rhetorical and actual question.



Think of the Abu Dhabi as one country and Dubai as another, because that is how their rulers see themselves. So in that context before the GFC there was no way that one of the Emirates will throw money behind the other, especially when that airline is used to promote their city and not the rest. How much promotion have you seen on EK of Abu Dhabi?

As for the aircraft in storage, I guess that either it is cheaper for them to take delivery and store the frames, or because of the late nature of the decision to actually take the 5 frames they have not trained any staff on the A350. We had posters commenting that they didn't train the pilots so you can assume all others that need training to start working on the frame will be in the same situation.
 
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:11 am

So is this EY sending it to storage or Airbus/ Owner?
 
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:51 am

JQ321 wrote:
So is this EY sending it to storage or Airbus/ Owner?


More likely to be Airbus as I don't think this unit has delivered officially to the airline.
 
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:56 am

asuflyer wrote:
=apparently EY has not trained pilots for the A350


From what I understand it isn't a major issue training for the A350 type when there are already A330/A340 trained pilots in the fleet - it's not like taking an A320 pilot and training them up on a 777. Plus what is happening to all of the A330 pilot slack that will have occurred with the retirement of the A330 so far - have they all converted to the 787 or something?
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:09 am

JamesCousins wrote:
asuflyer wrote:
=apparently EY has not trained pilots for the A350


From what I understand it isn't a major issue training for the A350 type when there are already A330/A340 trained pilots in the fleet - it's not like taking an A320 pilot and training them up on a 777. Plus what is happening to all of the A330 pilot slack that will have occurred with the retirement of the A330 so far - have they all converted to the 787 or something?


The A330/A350 should be a common type rating in the UAE.

When adding a new type to the airline, pilot training is near the end of the process. If they have not got the mechanics trained, manuals approved, flight planning system updated, AOC updated, simulator approved, cabin safety training in place, and a process to manage all the data that comes off the aircraft, foreign CAA approvals to operate the new type, no point training pilots.
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:59 am

strfyr51 wrote:
It's very hard to say what the Plans are for the UAE, Abu Dhabi, and Qatar might be suffice to say they haven't as of yet merged.
(which maybe they could and should do since their Turf is so close, ) They do not give the Idea that their total strategy is get known were they TO merge? They could become a regional Powerhouse working in unison rather than 3 part dissonance.


^ Demonstrates no understanding of current affairs, national borders or history to come out with such a statement.

Not far off from being as ridiculous as suggesting IR, LY & SV merge.
 
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:00 pm

Presumably their credit card was declined when they attempted to pay for it...
 
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:39 pm

I was already surprised that these frames went into production so soon after the large Etihad order update. I guess that Airbus had never deferred these postitions even when it was unclear if these were to be delivered or not. Since Etihad has not given any info on the cabin product and routes they don't seem to be in a hurry to take delivery. I think we just have to be patient with these deliveries. They will happen eventually, but the period of storage will be long enough for people to start speculating if they will eventually take them.
 
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:06 pm

What will happen first- AUH's new airport will actually open? Or EY folds?
 
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:11 pm

edealinfo wrote:
asuflyer wrote:
Etihad's first A350-1000 test reg F-WZNI (A6-XWB) was sent to Bordeaux for storage. It is unclear at this time for how long and whether the airline will actually take delivery of the aircraft as apparently EY has not trained pilots for the A350, though some pilots from HX are now flying with EY.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/f-wzni


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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:15 pm

chrisp390 wrote:
How bad is EY struggling? If they cannot take up an aircraft that is pretty serious.

So much for all the hype and glitz a few years back with all these big deals.


I think there were some people around here, years ago who strongly believed that only 1 survivor would come out of the ME3 and that EY would be the first victim.
Comparisons were made to the SQ/MH/TG trio where only one of those was/is solidly managed.
 
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:16 pm

Wouldn’t there be buyers for the 5 sub a350 fleet? Those that need immediate capacity for long haul aviation.

maybe Vistara should have jumped on it.. Their 789s won’t come until next year and their narrow bodied fleet is already mixed anyway so they may not have an aversion to different type fleet
 
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:18 pm

FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
JQ321 wrote:
So is this EY sending it to storage or Airbus/ Owner?


More likely to be Airbus as I don't think this unit has delivered officially to the airline.


Then there must be a problem with payment, otherwise, Airbus would have delivered it per contract.
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:21 pm

Can EY’s 350 be a sweet deal for TK? I know that TK loves to jump to opportunistic deals, who else can jump on these frames, IR could be an option before sanctions but now it is impossible for IR
 
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:36 pm

Dutchy wrote:
FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
JQ321 wrote:
So is this EY sending it to storage or Airbus/ Owner?


More likely to be Airbus as I don't think this unit has delivered officially to the airline.


Then there must be a problem with payment, otherwise, Airbus would have delivered it per contract.


There could be a 101 reasons. Not sure how you diduce that it's payment related.

Could easily be something as BFE delays or something else for the cabin. Either way, we're both guessing :-)
 
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:44 pm

FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
FrenchPotatoEye wrote:

More likely to be Airbus as I don't think this unit has delivered officially to the airline.


Then there must be a problem with payment, otherwise, Airbus would have delivered it per contract.


There could be a 101 reasons. Not sure how you diduce that it's payment related.

Could easily be something as BFE delays or something else for the cabin. Either way, we're both guessing :-)


That is true, I was to hasty with my conclusion. Are there any other orders delayed for delivery?
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 1:44 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
It's very hard to say what the Plans are for the UAE, Abu Dhabi, and Qatar might be suffice to say they haven't as of yet merged.
(which maybe they could and should do since their Turf is so close, ) They do not give the Idea that their total strategy is get known were they TO merge? They could become a regional Powerhouse working in unison rather than 3 part dissonance.


One could call it Air Gulf or something along those lines.
 
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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 3:08 pm

Dutchy wrote:
FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
JQ321 wrote:
So is this EY sending it to storage or Airbus/ Owner?


More likely to be Airbus as I don't think this unit has delivered officially to the airline.


Then there must be a problem with payment, otherwise, Airbus would have delivered it per contract.

Abu Dhabi has severe cash flow issues. The era of subsidizing everything is over.

I'm curious what happens.

Personally, move that oil plant at the Dubai/Abu Dhabi border and significantly expand DWC. Yeah... I just wrote a $20 billion USD (or more check).

With the growth of ADD, new IST, and new cheaper per flight but more range aircraft, the ME3 have it tougher.

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Re: EY sends first A350 to storage

Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:10 pm

Surely if this A350 was going to be stored long-term and not go to EY it wouldn't have the full EY colours but remain all white.

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