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United ORD-LAX on June 5th, 2019: Completely on Biofuel

Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:13 pm

Hey guys, United just posted a twitter update saying that a flight from Chicago to Los Angeles tomorrow will operate completely on biofuel, have a look:

(Page has no C's or O's, as a point to reduce CO2 emissions)

Thoughts?

https://hub.united.com/united-flight-fo ... 85504.html
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:33 pm

There's also not a 2.
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Tue Jun 04, 2019 11:36 pm

How much more expensive the biofuel is compared to regular jet fuel?
 
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:04 am

Very progressive United!
 
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:27 am

Seems like I read a PR every week about an airline running an engine or flight on biofuel, going back years. Has anything meaningful actually happened?
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:28 am

Should have been PDX to SFO. ;)
 
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:31 am

MaverickM11 wrote:
Seems like I read a PR every week about an airline running an engine or flight on biofuel, going back years. Has anything meaningful actually happened?


In May this year they said they had committed to buying 10 million gallons of biofuel over two years. They bought 4.137 Billion gallons of jet fuel in 2018.
 
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:32 am

What’s the aircraft type?
 
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:39 am

Why the image still has O's and C's? They should have left them as well.
 
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 1:01 am

tomaheath wrote:
What’s the aircraft type?


More than likely a 737.
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:38 am

Kudus to United, and nice idea to remove the "C', 'O' and '2's, but my word is that unreadable
 
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:09 am

I can’t help but laugh at the irony, since it was actually CO that pioneered the biofuel

But hey UA has lots of practice removing C & O
 
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:00 am

Virgin Atlantic tried this back in October not sure if it is still on going or quietly dropped it.
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:13 am

MaverickM11 wrote:
Seems like I read a PR every week about an airline running an engine or flight on biofuel, going back years. Has anything meaningful actually happened?

United has been flying on biofuel from LAX every day for the last three years. It's the equivalent of three flights per day. This is a lot more than three flights in Continental/United's first three years working on this. Things are definitely moving forward.
BBJ777X wrote:
How much more expensive the biofuel is compared to regular jet fuel?

All their press releases on the topic cite that it's cost-competitive.
 
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:56 am

So we have regular jet fuel, and 20 percent corn-derived fuel, for a domestic flight. This will emit thus more CO2 per seat mile than any other equivalent flight (well, perhaps since UA might have operated 727's on such a distance). But you AGW enthusiasts support it because "green" energy, right?

https://theconversation.com/biofuels-tu ... -why-64463
 
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 11:06 am

how much fuel wasted on produce this biofuel?
 
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:12 pm

Isn't all natural petroleum "bio"?
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 12:41 pm

Progress often comes slow, but it is FAR better than not doing anything. So Bravo!

HOWEVER “IF” United can actually get to the day when they can LEGALLY make a huge claim, Ex: UNITED has reached 50% of of their entire fleet using bio- fuel, and the world’s #1 leading airline in CO2 reduction” that IS a claim that would absolutely impact consumer choice. Far more than claims such as “Most International Destinations” or “JD Powers award for best VIP lounges”

Launching CPT is a big deal to us aviation geeks, less so for the majority of pax who most often are going from New Jersey to Hawaii or San Franciscans going to London!

I hope United (safely) reaches a a BIG MEANINGFUL bio fuel claim first!
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:09 pm

VC10er wrote:
Progress often comes slow, but it is FAR better than not doing anything. So Bravo!


If it makes you feel good that 0.12% of United's fuel buys this year might be biofuels, great. The industry has been talking - talking, not so much doing - about this for over a decade. ExxonMobil has spent more on TV commercials promoting biofuels than UA is going to spend buying biofuels. United could have a far larger CO2 reduction by upgauging - but, no, they don't want to add a new small narrowbody flown by mainline pilots.
 
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:08 pm

Wow that is hard to read. But kudos to United for doing something good. Every little bit helps and this, and more of such flights should help even more to make the Earth a better place. I assume this will be the eco skies plane?
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:11 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
VC10er wrote:
Progress often comes slow, but it is FAR better than not doing anything. So Bravo!


If it makes you feel good that 0.12% of United's fuel buys this year might be biofuels, great. The industry has been talking - talking, not so much doing - about this for over a decade. ExxonMobil has spent more on TV commercials promoting biofuels than UA is going to spend buying biofuels. United could have a far larger CO2 reduction by upgauging - but, no, they don't want to add a new small narrowbody flown by mainline pilots.


The industry might just be talking but UA has been putting its money where its mouth is regarding bio-fuels. They were the first US airline to actually use bio-fuel on a regular basis and invest in a company that produces it. That company, Fulcrum BioEnergy, is building plans near UA hubs that will produce bio-fuels from household trash and is committed to providing UA 100 million gallons a year once production begins.

5 million gallons a year from AltAir in LAX is a drop in the bucket overall but it's also just the start. It's also enough fuel for 10 or 11 flights a day between LAX and SFO which is hardly insignificant either.
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:12 pm

simairlinenet wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Seems like I read a PR every week about an airline running an engine or flight on biofuel, going back years. Has anything meaningful actually happened?

United has been flying on biofuel from LAX every day for the last three years. It's the equivalent of three flights per day. This is a lot more than three flights in Continental/United's first three years working on this. Things are definitely moving forward.
BBJ777X wrote:
How much more expensive the biofuel is compared to regular jet fuel?

All their press releases on the topic cite that it's cost-competitive.


If it was that cost-competitive, then they would be using it far more than they are.
 
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:22 pm

kimimm19 wrote:
simairlinenet wrote:
MaverickM11 wrote:
Seems like I read a PR every week about an airline running an engine or flight on biofuel, going back years. Has anything meaningful actually happened?

United has been flying on biofuel from LAX every day for the last three years. It's the equivalent of three flights per day. This is a lot more than three flights in Continental/United's first three years working on this. Things are definitely moving forward.
BBJ777X wrote:
How much more expensive the biofuel is compared to regular jet fuel?

All their press releases on the topic cite that it's cost-competitive.


If it was that cost-competitive, then they would be using it far more than they are.

Doubtful, considering the infrastructure for biofuels is pretty insignificant.
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:53 pm

This is all largely non-sense PR move.

United has operated many all bio-fuel flights since it first started using it back in 2016 at LAX.
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:03 pm

jetblueguy22 wrote:
kimimm19 wrote:
simairlinenet wrote:
United has been flying on biofuel from LAX every day for the last three years. It's the equivalent of three flights per day. This is a lot more than three flights in Continental/United's first three years working on this. Things are definitely moving forward.

All their press releases on the topic cite that it's cost-competitive.


If it was that cost-competitive, then they would be using it far more than they are.

Doubtful, considering the infrastructure for biofuels is pretty insignificant.



Yes because there is a well known shortage of biofuels that airlines are lining up for... :roll:
 
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:11 pm

Fossil fuel energy density -- it's why internal combustion still dominates; along with a very well developed exploration, refining, and distribution network. It's going to take something much better to overcome that advantage, and it's not going to come from biofuels.
 
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:33 pm

rjmf22 wrote:
tomaheath wrote:
What’s the aircraft type?


More than likely a 737.


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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:30 pm

kimimm19 wrote:
jetblueguy22 wrote:
kimimm19 wrote:

If it was that cost-competitive, then they would be using it far more than they are.

Doubtful, considering the infrastructure for biofuels is pretty insignificant.



Yes because there is a well known shortage of biofuels that airlines are lining up for... :roll:

If nobody is making it in mass quantities how are they expected to acquire it?

I’m not some biofuel apologist, and I rolled my eyes when I first saw this thread, but you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing.
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:31 pm

DFW17L wrote:
Fossil fuel energy density -- it's why internal combustion still dominates; along with a very well developed exploration, refining, and distribution network. It's going to take something much better to overcome that advantage, and it's not going to come from biofuels.

I think you mean hydrocarbons, not necessarily fossil hydrocarbons. Many of the bio-based jet fuels have a greater energy density and burn cleaner (less soot, no sulfur) due to having a more uniform molecular blend than fossil Jet-A. To your point, a big problem is reaching cost-competitive scales against a mature incumbent supply chain.
 
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:14 pm

jetblueguy22 wrote:
kimimm19 wrote:
jetblueguy22 wrote:
Doubtful, considering the infrastructure for biofuels is pretty insignificant.



Yes because there is a well known shortage of biofuels that airlines are lining up for... :roll:

If nobody is making it in mass quantities how are they expected to acquire it?

I’m not some biofuel apologist, and I rolled my eyes when I first saw this thread, but you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing.


I'm not actually. You are making judgement claims while I'm saying if it was cost-competitive then there would be demand for it. When there is demand for it, there are those who see the opportunity to make money. I'm saying I doubt it's cost-competitive which is why there isn't a demand for it.
 
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:43 pm

A little info about the bio fuel flight.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/business ... story.html
 
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:01 pm

Would you feel comfortable flying on such a jet as a passenger?
 
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:07 pm

Ziyulu wrote:
Would you feel comfortable flying on such a jet as a passenger?


absolutely, I applaud the efforts to get away from petroleum.
 
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Re: United ORD-LAX tomorrow: completely on biofuel

Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:15 pm

Ziyulu wrote:
Would you feel comfortable flying on such a jet as a passenger?

Definitely, actually I would be thrilled!

Am I wrong or KLM is another airline which is experimenting with biofuels??

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