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LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:59 pm

Anyone have the stats on how it's doing?
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Thu Jun 06, 2019 5:27 pm

And is it seasonal or year-round?
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Thu Jun 06, 2019 7:38 pm

No idea on how it's doing, but it seems its been operating twice a week since early April, with no upcoming changes to the schedule. BA is listing the routing as seasonal, however.
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:28 pm

I flew it two Thursdays ago and every seat in economy and PE was full.
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Thu Jun 06, 2019 8:39 pm

You are not likely to get much data on how LHR-CHS is doing either after a few months when traffic stats come in or if BA releases some sort of statement in the media.
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Thu Jun 06, 2019 9:40 pm

Not scientific .. or stats. But tonights BA 220 looks like it's sold well ...:

1CHSLON/D«
06JUN THU CHS/EDT LON/‡5
1BA 220 J2 C2 D2 R1 CHSLHR 1120P 1220P‡1 788 M 0 QS DCA /E
I0 W2 E0 T0 Y9 B9 H9 K8 M5 L2 V2 S1 N0 Q0 O0 G2

Business cabin has 2 seats to sell; Premium Economy sold out; economy is looking fairly busy too.

Again this is just for this evenings departure CHS to LHR.
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:10 pm

braniff2hav wrote:
Not scientific .. or stats. But tonights BA 220 looks like it's sold well ...:

1CHSLON/D«
06JUN THU CHS/EDT LON/‡5
1BA 220 J2 C2 D2 R1 CHSLHR 1120P 1220P‡1 788 M 0 QS DCA /E
I0 W2 E0 T0 Y9 B9 H9 K8 M5 L2 V2 S1 N0 Q0 O0 G2

Business cabin has 2 seats to sell; Premium Economy sold out; economy is looking fairly busy too.

Again this is just for this evenings departure CHS to LHR.


I hate to be "that person" but W2 says that there are 2 seats to sell in Premium Economy, albeit only in the highest fare bucket.
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:29 pm

braniff2hav wrote:
Not scientific .. or stats. But tonights BA 220 looks like it's sold well ...:

1CHSLON/D«
06JUN THU CHS/EDT LON/‡5
1BA 220 J2 C2 D2 R1 CHSLHR 1120P 1220P‡1 788 M 0 QS DCA /E
I0 W2 E0 T0 Y9 B9 H9 K8 M5 L2 V2 S1 N0 Q0 O0 G2

Business cabin has 2 seats to sell; Premium Economy sold out; economy is looking fairly busy too.

Again this is just for this evenings departure CHS to LHR.


It's summer in the south, meaning kids are out of school. Atlanta kids finished ~2 weeks ago; Charleston kids finished today. If you can't get 90% load factors at high fares on TATL flights you're doing it profoundly wrong.
 
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Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:55 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
braniff2hav wrote:
Not scientific .. or stats. But tonights BA 220 looks like it's sold well ...:

1CHSLON/D«
06JUN THU CHS/EDT LON/‡5
1BA 220 J2 C2 D2 R1 CHSLHR 1120P 1220P‡1 788 M 0 QS DCA /E
I0 W2 E0 T0 Y9 B9 H9 K8 M5 L2 V2 S1 N0 Q0 O0 G2

Business cabin has 2 seats to sell; Premium Economy sold out; economy is looking fairly busy too.

Again this is just for this evenings departure CHS to LHR.


It's summer in the south, meaning kids are out of school. Atlanta kids finished ~2 weeks ago; Charleston kids finished today. If you can't get 90% load factors at high fares on TATL flights you're doing it profoundly wrong.

...let's assume they couldn't get the 90 at high TATL fares; what would be your suggestion to BA if they consult you in order to avoid "doing it profoundly wrong"?!?!?
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Thu Jun 06, 2019 10:59 pm

stylo777 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
braniff2hav wrote:
Not scientific .. or stats. But tonights BA 220 looks like it's sold well ...:

1CHSLON/D«
06JUN THU CHS/EDT LON/‡5
1BA 220 J2 C2 D2 R1 CHSLHR 1120P 1220P‡1 788 M 0 QS DCA /E
I0 W2 E0 T0 Y9 B9 H9 K8 M5 L2 V2 S1 N0 Q0 O0 G2

Business cabin has 2 seats to sell; Premium Economy sold out; economy is looking fairly busy too.

Again this is just for this evenings departure CHS to LHR.


It's summer in the south, meaning kids are out of school. Atlanta kids finished ~2 weeks ago; Charleston kids finished today. If you can't get 90% load factors at high fares on TATL flights you're doing it profoundly wrong.

...let's assume they couldn't get the 90 at high TATL fares; what would be your suggestion to BA if they consult you in order to avoid "doing it profoundly wrong"?!?!?


Smaller aircraft.. haha
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Thu Jun 06, 2019 11:01 pm

Will they serve dinner in J that late?
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:07 am

Did CHS have a flight kitchen prior to the BA flight?
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Fri Jun 07, 2019 12:14 am

jetskipper wrote:
Did CHS have a flight kitchen prior to the BA flight?


DFW, IAH, SEA. I'd say it's probable. 5 hours is way too long for a double cater.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:19 am

WWads wrote:
jetskipper wrote:
Did CHS have a flight kitchen prior to the BA flight?


DFW, IAH, SEA. I'd say it's probable. 5 hours is way too long for a double cater.

5? CHS is close to 9 on the Westbound, and close to 8 on the Eastbound.
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:23 am

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Will they serve dinner in J that late?

Yes there is a full meal service in j that late.

I operated one as crew a couple of weeks ago and less than half the j cabin ate. Everyone had breakfast!!
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:32 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
It's summer in the south, meaning kids are out of school. Atlanta kids finished ~2 weeks ago; Charleston kids finished today. If you can't get 90% load factors at high fares on TATL flights you're doing it profoundly wrong.


US point of sale is just gravy. This flight is for British tourists wanting to see the Charleston area.
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:48 am

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And is it seasonal or year-round?

Seasonal through October.
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Fri Jun 07, 2019 3:20 am

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Did CHS have a flight kitchen prior to the BA flight?


No, they didn't. The kitchen was built out of the former Porsche warehouse at the end of....Porsche Blvd. It's the building to the right of the chevrons/threshhold of Rwy 3. The news said about 25 employees and 1000ish meals for the 2 flights per week. Also upgraded the FIS inside the terminal. Aviation Authority paid $10m or so for both projects.
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:25 am

I recall someone posted a BA US route yield chart (in the Nashville thread?) Which suggested yields were comparable to some of the better performing routes. If that data is valid and occupancy is strong then this weird route may have some legs.
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:59 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
braniff2hav wrote:
Not scientific .. or stats. But tonights BA 220 looks like it's sold well ...:



I hate to be "that person" but W2 says that there are 2 seats to sell in Premium Economy, albeit only in the highest fare bucket.


Yikes, you are correct, sorry!
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:08 am

In April 2019 - the London Heathrow to Charleston route carried 2,456 passengers according to the UK's Civil Aviation Authority.
There were 16 one-way flights on the route (8 LHR-CHS, 8 CHS-LHR) in April 2019, each plane carrying 214 passengers (on B787-8) meaning a total capacity of 3,424
This brings a load factor of 71.7% in the first month of operation.

This seems to be a good start for the 2x weekly Summer Seasonal route, and can be seen in the coming months how successful the route is. I think 71.7% load factor is good for a first month, and does show Charleston has legs for the future

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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:35 pm

Charleston has a fair amount of service for a city of its size. The main factors in my opinion are: U.S. government and military; tourism; Boeing; and other industry. I can’t rank those factors, but they are all important. CHS drains a large area of SC reaching as far as Columbia and Myrtle Beach and even Savannah. I’d prefer to drive from Columbia to CHS than to ATL. CLT would be a toss up. I don’t think LHR - CHS is that strange at all.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 1:46 pm

The CHS route seems to be a steady performer. I'd be surprised to see it cut but similarly I'd be surprised to see it increase in frequency next year or go year round.
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Fri Jun 07, 2019 4:37 pm

Well I’m heading to CHS this evening , I’ll update on how many Brits I encounter ha!
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:28 pm

I'm not sure we can use a Sabre or GDS inventory to really accurately tell you how busy or full a flight is. Some airlines like Alaska & United, will reopen a lot of buckets in their matrix to keep certain fares open. I've been on a few flights with almost every bucket open/showing 9, yet the flight had maybe 5 or 6 open seats.
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Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:44 pm

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Charleston has a fair amount of service for a city of its size. The main factors in my opinion are: U.S. government and military; tourism; Boeing; and other industry. I can’t rank those factors, but they are all important. CHS drains a large area of SC reaching as far as Columbia and Myrtle Beach and even Savannah. I’d prefer to drive from Columbia to CHS than to ATL. CLT would be a toss up. I don’t think LHR - CHS is that strange at all.


We have friends who are using the service to come and see us and they usually fly into CLT. CHS is almost a wash for picking them up because: a) I-85 construction between GSP and CLT is a mess, b) CLT traffic in general is also a mess, not to mention the airport traffic, c) You can make an evening out of it and go get a seafood dinner while picking them up. Yes, in terms of pure time, it's more. But it's far less stressful on the whole.
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:30 pm

BA are exploiting a niche here with no competition. US tourists love visiting the UK just as much UK tourists like visiting the US. Plus the connection potential at LHR is huge.
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:29 am

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Plus the connection potential at LHR is huge.

Actually, relative to its primary peers (CDG/FRA/AMS)... LHR's connections are comparatively quite limited.

Granted, it has ample cnnx to the places that the majority of N.American originating pax typically go, so it's not a detriment; but then again, the same thing can be said for essentially any significant gateway in Europe.
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:25 am

Operated it a few weeks ago. Quiet outbound to CHS (only 41% capacity with club two thirds full) but all cabins fully booked on return. Flight into LHR consisted of about 70% transit customers. Mainly Americans heading to other European cities such as CDG, FCO, MAD & DUB as well as the UK regions.
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Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:39 am

LAX772LR wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Plus the connection potential at LHR is huge.

Actually, relative to its primary peers (CDG/FRA/AMS)... LHR's connections are comparatively quite limited.

Granted, it has ample cnnx to the places that the majority of N.American originating pax typically go, so it's not a detriment; but then again, the same thing can be said for essentially any significant gateway in Europe.


Hmmm...i’d still say the connection potential at LHR is huge, even if AMS/FRA is bigger.
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Sat Jun 08, 2019 2:31 pm

Arion640 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Plus the connection potential at LHR is huge.

Actually, relative to its primary peers (CDG/FRA/AMS)... LHR's connections are comparatively quite limited.

Granted, it has ample cnnx to the places that the majority of N.American originating pax typically go, so it's not a detriment; but then again, the same thing can be said for essentially any significant gateway in Europe.

Hmmm...i’d still say the connection potential at LHR is huge, even if AMS/FRA is bigger.

Hence the last 13 words in the post you're responding to. :smile:
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Sat Jun 08, 2019 3:20 pm

I have a question about the crew layover. The flight from LHR arrives on Sunday and then departs CHS that evening--obviously without the crew that flew the bird in that day. The next flight to LHR doesn't leave until Thursday. So that means that BA has to put the crew up in a hotel for four nights, unless they deadhead somewhere else and fly back to LHR from a different North American destination. That has to be a drag on this flight's profitability, no?

I truly hope the flight succeeds. It is thrilling to see an airport of CHS's size have transatlantic service.
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:40 pm

USAirALB wrote:
WWads wrote:
jetskipper wrote:
Did CHS have a flight kitchen prior to the BA flight?


DFW, IAH, SEA. I'd say it's probable. 5 hours is way too long for a double cater.

5? CHS is close to 9 on the Westbound, and close to 8 on the Eastbound.


I meant for the SEA flight. Per later posts I guess AS did double cater that flight. Yuck.
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Sun Jun 09, 2019 8:20 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Actually, relative to its primary peers (CDG/FRA/AMS)... LHR's connections are comparatively quite limited.

Granted, it has ample cnnx to the places that the majority of N.American originating pax typically go, so it's not a detriment; but then again, the same thing can be said for essentially any significant gateway in Europe.

Hmmm...i’d still say the connection potential at LHR is huge, even if AMS/FRA is bigger.

Hence the last 13 words in the post you're responding to. :smile:


This time you really should admit you were wrong...
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 9:26 pm

Shields wrote:
I have a question about the crew layover. The flight from LHR arrives on Sunday and then departs CHS that evening--obviously without the crew that flew the bird in that day. The next flight to LHR doesn't leave until Thursday. So that means that BA has to put the crew up in a hotel for four nights, unless they deadhead somewhere else and fly back to LHR from a different North American destination. That has to be a drag on this flight's profitability, no?

I truly hope the flight succeeds. It is thrilling to see an airport of CHS's size have transatlantic service.


Correct, it is a long trip for the crew, but the hotel costs won't be a huge factor, airlines usually negotiate hefty discounts from the headline price. The main drag is having crew do only 2 sectors worth of work in 5/6 days plus the 2 rest days when they could do 4 longhaul sectors (2 trips) in about the same time. So it's an inefficient use of crew, like the Seychelles flight, but hotel costs aren't a make-or-break factor.
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:11 pm

TheLion wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Hmmm...i’d still say the connection potential at LHR is huge, even if AMS/FRA is bigger.

Hence the last 13 words in the post you're responding to. :smile:


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Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:54 pm

Not wrong, just unnecessarily argumentative!
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:23 pm

It amazes me that CHS goes via LHR but TPA goes via LGW. Nothing against CHS but I would have thought TPA would have a higher premium market than CHS.
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:19 am

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It amazes me that CHS goes via LHR but TPA goes via LGW. Nothing against CHS but I would have thought TPA would have a higher premium market than CHS.


It's not just premium market, its O&D vs connections. LHR is O&D and connecting in London while LGW is significantly more O&D.
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:24 am

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It amazes me that CHS goes via LHR but TPA goes via LGW. Nothing against CHS but I would have thought TPA would have a higher premium market than CHS.


CFL in general is cursed with tourism. Until CFL can rid itself of the tourist bug, it will be stuck with Gatwick. After living here for almost 2 decades, I have progressed from uncertainty to disbelief to anger to apathy after seeing one inexplicable add after another while LHR is nowhere to be seen. AMS, CDG, ZRH, and even DXB have been added in the same amount of time that neither BA nor VS nor DL has thought about starting a lone flight to LHR while flying bucketloads to LGW. It is a well known fact that MCO as a single airport has nonstop to service to more UK airports than any other airport in the US which is insane because it misses the biggest one of all-LHR. BA and VS are both UK point of sale catering to British tourists and don't give a damn about CFL residents. TPA may be able to get away with LGW because it's on the smaller side but MCO not having a LHR nonstop is shameful for an airport of its size irrespective of how much the business/tourist split is. Honestly I'd blame GOAA for the supreme incompetence of not being able to secure a single LHR flight from either BA, VS, or DL all of whom have a massive presence at MCO. GOAA is lucky Orlando is such an easy target for airlines because otherwise they can forget about airlines coming to them on a silver platter like they do right now. If MCO was CHS they'd have to work to get any new flights and based on GOAA's current ability, they wouldn't even have a fraction of what they have now, let alone LHR.

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Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:49 am

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SuseJ772 wrote:
It amazes me that CHS goes via LHR but TPA goes via LGW. Nothing against CHS but I would have thought TPA would have a higher premium market than CHS.


CFL in general is cursed with tourism. Until CFL can rid itself of the tourist bug, it will be stuck with Gatwick. After living here for almost 2 decades, I have progressed from uncertainty to disbelief to anger to apathy after seeing one inexplicable add after another while LHR is nowhere to be seen. AMS, CDG, ZRH, and even DXB have been added in the same amount of time that neither BA nor VS nor DL has thought about starting a lone flight to LHR while flying bucketloads to LGW. It is a well known fact that MCO as a single airport has nonstop to service to more UK airports than any other airport in the US which is insane because it misses the biggest one of all-LHR. BA and VS are both UK point of sale catering to British tourists and don't give a damn about CFL residents. TPA may be able to get away with LGW because it's on the smaller side but MCO not having a LHR nonstop is shameful for an airport of its size irrespective of how much the business/tourist split is. Honestly I'd blame GOAA for the supreme incompetence of not being able to secure a single LHR flight from either BA, VS, or DL all of whom have a massive presence at MCO. GOAA is lucky Orlando is such an easy target for airlines because otherwise they can forget about airlines coming to them on a silver platter like they do right now. If MCO was CHS they'd have to work to get any new flights and based on GOAA's current ability, they wouldn't even have a fraction of what they have now, let alone LHR.

Sorry for the rant, but it was worth it :D


I’m sure everyone knows what CFL means. I think I figured it out but I shouldn’t have to. What is GOAA? I guess that’s another common acronym that everyone is just supposed to know too.

Your post would be a lot more effective if you didn’t use obscure acronyms that no one else has any clue what the mean.
 
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Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:34 pm

I'm not familiar with South Carolina's economy, what kind of business demand does Charleston see to the UK? Or is it mostly UK tourist traffic?
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:25 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:
SuseJ772 wrote:
It amazes me that CHS goes via LHR but TPA goes via LGW. Nothing against CHS but I would have thought TPA would have a higher premium market than CHS.


CFL in general is cursed with tourism. Until CFL can rid itself of the tourist bug, it will be stuck with Gatwick. After living here for almost 2 decades, I have progressed from uncertainty to disbelief to anger to apathy after seeing one inexplicable add after another while LHR is nowhere to be seen. AMS, CDG, ZRH, and even DXB have been added in the same amount of time that neither BA nor VS nor DL has thought about starting a lone flight to LHR while flying bucketloads to LGW. It is a well known fact that MCO as a single airport has nonstop to service to more UK airports than any other airport in the US which is insane because it misses the biggest one of all-LHR. BA and VS are both UK point of sale catering to British tourists and don't give a damn about CFL residents. TPA may be able to get away with LGW because it's on the smaller side but MCO not having a LHR nonstop is shameful for an airport of its size irrespective of how much the business/tourist split is. Honestly I'd blame GOAA for the supreme incompetence of not being able to secure a single LHR flight from either BA, VS, or DL all of whom have a massive presence at MCO. GOAA is lucky Orlando is such an easy target for airlines because otherwise they can forget about airlines coming to them on a silver platter like they do right now. If MCO was CHS they'd have to work to get any new flights and based on GOAA's current ability, they wouldn't even have a fraction of what they have now, let alone LHR.

Sorry for the rant, but it was worth it :D


I’m sure everyone knows what CFL means. I think I figured it out but I shouldn’t have to. What is GOAA? I guess that’s another common acronym that everyone is just supposed to know too.

Your post would be a lot more effective if you didn’t use obscure acronyms that no one else has any clue what the mean.


His acronyms are kind of Florida - aviation centric
CFL is central Florida ( from the way I think he's using it)
GOAA is Greater Orlando Aviation Authority, in other words the folks that own and operate the airport at Orlando.
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 2:33 am

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I'm not familiar with South Carolina's economy, what kind of business demand does Charleston see to the UK? Or is it mostly UK tourist traffic?


I would say that tourism is the biggest draw to Charleston. There is a good bit of industry and one of the larger container ports on the east coast. There is also a substantial federal government presence. Charleston would be the easiest way to get to LHR in the area from Savannah to Wilmington and as far inland as Columbia and perhaps even Greenville. It’s a mixed bag. Mostly tourism a fair amount of business, but by far more tourism, both ways.
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:10 am

Anyone know where the aircraft goes in October when this flight terminates?
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 12:20 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
TheLion wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Hence the last 13 words in the post you're responding to. :smile:


This time you really should admit you were wrong...

About what exactly?


Not jumping on this to ask you to apologize, but I am curious about the assertion that Heathrow is somehow less connected than its European Peers? Particularly the assertion that the LHR connections are somehow less unique in number/diversity than FRA/CDG/AMS.

LHR is ranked #1 on one respectable best-connected hub list linked below done by OAG. I'd think anyone would be rather hard-pressed to find an airport with more unique airlines all serving one airport as well... Not a fact I've personally researched, just an assumption.
https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/worl ... index.html

I fully understand that there are any number of ways to measure connectivity: # of international vs domestic Destinations, Amount of volume able to connect, ease of connecting, etc. But Heathrow does seem pretty well connected on public/independent rankings vs other European hubs (between BA and other airlines)
Passengers traveling from CHS to LHR don't have to connect on BA to transfer. I've personally flown BA to LHR plenty of times and connected on to a non OneWorld carrier.
What metric are you considering Heathrow to be less connected than FRA/AMS/CDG? Not trying to be confrontational. I'm actually rather curious
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 1:16 pm

JAMBOJET wrote:
What metric are you considering Heathrow to be less connected than FRA/AMS/CDG? Not trying to be confrontational. I'm actually rather curious


BA has less connectivity to EMEA than Lufthansa or AFKL. That is a fact. There are many secondary cities in Europe or the Middle East served by LH or AFKL that BA does not touch.

People flying from CHS are connecting to Europe, Middle East and maybe India. It doesn't market how many "unique airlines" flying to Malaysia or Canada has.
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:40 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
JAMBOJET wrote:
What metric are you considering Heathrow to be less connected than FRA/AMS/CDG? Not trying to be confrontational. I'm actually rather curious


BA has less connectivity to EMEA than Lufthansa or AFKL. That is a fact. There are many secondary cities in Europe or the Middle East served by LH or AFKL that BA does not touch.

People flying from CHS are connecting to Europe, Middle East and maybe India. It doesn't market how many "unique airlines" flying to Malaysia or Canada has.


CHS seems to have fewer passengers making onward connections at Heathrow than other US cities, most probably because the highest point of sale is the UK and the route is aimed primarily at British tourists. It seems to be more O&D than say DFW, IAH, BOS, ATL etc which have many more onward connecting passengers as a proportion of the total than CHS.

What kind of cities are you thinking of that LH, AF and KLM serve that BA doesn't? BA might not be massively strong in Eastern Europe outside of Moscow but that's not a big market for Britain.

There was a question about what the 787 is used for when CHS ends at the end of the summer season. Nashville goes back to the 787-8 and the 787-9 is picking up a few new routes (eg PHX this winter).
 
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 5:54 pm

The 787-9 will show up in Boston more, as the A380 goes away after the 'summer' ends in late October.
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Re: LHR-CHS: How's it doing?

Thu Jun 13, 2019 4:20 am

JAMBOJET wrote:
I'd think anyone would be rather hard-pressed to find an airport with more unique airlines all serving one airport as well

Great, but irrelevant, as a random sample of multiple airlines doesn't exactly equate to realistic utility of connections



BA777FO wrote:
What kind of cities are you thinking of that LH, AF and KLM serve that BA doesn't?

Take for example the MSY-LHR flight.

Contrary to A.net lore, it's not there to cater to people coming to puke on Bourbon street or screw someone who's not their wife.... it's mostly there to serve the oil market (which, while having lost a lot of ground to IAH, is still a considerable driver of the regional economy).

Of many of the TATL oil markets with ties to that region (SVG, GYD, ABZ, LOS, etc), BA doesn't serve half of them (when its peers do), or it forces double-connects that make it no more competitive than a stateside connection, or a stateside-to-AMS/FRA/MUC connection offered by a competitor.

And before anyone reads completely out of context or loses the ability to scroll up to where I've already said this: yes, I'm well aware that most US cnnx via LHR are going to larger cities, but it's also not like mom&pop taking the kids on summer vacay to CDG are generally going to plop down $8K+ for a last minute seat. Some of the people going to those aforementioned oil routes though, do.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil

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