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Evektor EV-55 Outback - New plane coming on the market soon

Sun Jun 09, 2019 5:36 pm

EVEKTOR will finally get the EV - 55 Outback plane certified this year and should be on the market soon.

It's been quite the journey, but it appears to be a great bird.

https://www.evektor.cz/en/ev-55-outback

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEvii_FX4Bg
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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:32 pm

Looks good if high wing puddle jumpers are your thing.
Aesthetically the A 340 got it right!
 
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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:35 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Looks good if high wing puddle jumpers are your thing.


It sure beats an ice proned CARAVAN and it's half the cost offering 50 % higher speed.
 
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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:38 pm

crjflyboy wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
Looks good if high wing puddle jumpers are your thing.


It sure beats an ice proned CARAVAN and it's half the cost offering 50 % higher speed.



Fast is good. Ice free is beneficial.
Aesthetically the A 340 got it right!
 
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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:39 pm

Reminds me of a NEO-ed Let 410 or (showing my age here) a GAF Nomad. Good looking bird actually. Will have great performance with those two big engines, nice short/rough field capability.

Do they still do the Flying Doctors thing in Australia? This will be a nice bird for them, if they are in the market for some. Wonder if Cape Air might be interested too.
 
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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:44 pm

Its looks like the cabin is a nice size as well.
 
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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:46 pm

CHRISBA35X wrote:
Reminds me of a NEO-ed Let 410 or (showing my age here) a GAF Nomad. Good looking bird actually. Will have great performance with those two big engines, nice short/rough field capability.

Do they still do the Flying Doctors thing in Australia? This will be a nice bird for them, if they are in the market for some. Wonder if Cape Air might be interested too.


Cape air has bet the house on TENCAM Travler

https://www.tecnam.com/aircraft/p2012-traveller/
 
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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:51 pm

CHRISBA35X wrote:
Reminds me of a NEO-ed Let 410 or (showing my age here) a GAF Nomad. Good looking bird actually. Will have great performance with those two big engines, nice short/rough field capability.

Do they still do the Flying Doctors thing in Australia? This will be a nice bird for them, if they are in the market for some. Wonder if Cape Air might be interested too.


Funny you mention the LET 410 … it's built right next door the LET plant .
 
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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:55 pm

SEU wrote:
Its looks like the cabin is a nice size as well.


I think it will be a gamechanger for 135 operators ... last I heard they were testing 5 and 6 plade prop versions to lower the noise and cabin vibrations and decrease the fuel consumption.
 
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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:12 am

CHRISBA35X wrote:
Reminds me of a NEO-ed Let 410 or (showing my age here) a GAF Nomad. Good looking bird actually. Will have great performance with those two big engines, nice short/rough field capability.

Do they still do the Flying Doctors thing in Australia? This will be a nice bird for them, if they are in the market for some. Wonder if Cape Air might be interested too.

The Royal Flying Doctor Servise [RFDS] has pretty much standardized on the Pilatus PC-12, with over 30 in service & have recived their first 2 PC-24s [WA & SA divisions] with 3 (?) more to come. The aero medical version was designed in close consulation with the RFDS.

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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:23 am

Gemuser wrote:
CHRISBA35X wrote:
Reminds me of a NEO-ed Let 410 or (showing my age here) a GAF Nomad. Good looking bird actually. Will have great performance with those two big engines, nice short/rough field capability.

Do they still do the Flying Doctors thing in Australia? This will be a nice bird for them, if they are in the market for some. Wonder if Cape Air might be interested too.

The Royal Flying Doctor Servise [RFDS] has pretty much standardized on the Pilatus PC-12, with over 30 in service & have recived their first 2 PC-24s [WA & SA divisions] with 3 (?) more to come. The aero medical version was designed in close consulation with the RFDS.

Gemuser


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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:50 am

This actually looks really nice
 
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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:40 am

CHRISBA35X wrote:
Do they still do the Flying Doctors thing in Australia? This will be a nice bird for them, if they are in the market for some. Wonder if Cape Air might be interested too.


Does not look like it is pressurised so it would not be good in that role
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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:50 am

crjflyboy wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
Looks good if high wing puddle jumpers are your thing.


It sure beats an ice proned CARAVAN and it's half the cost offering 50 % higher speed.


It's two engines instead of one. That's a huge increase in operating expenses in this category of aircraft. It's a different market.
 
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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:51 am

zeke wrote:
CHRISBA35X wrote:
Do they still do the Flying Doctors thing in Australia? This will be a nice bird for them, if they are in the market for some. Wonder if Cape Air might be interested too.


Does not look like it is pressurised so it would not be good in that role


you're correct ... it's not pressurised
 
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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:53 am

kitplane01 wrote:
crjflyboy wrote:
KlimaBXsst wrote:
Looks good if high wing puddle jumpers are your thing.


It sure beats an ice proned CARAVAN and it's half the cost offering 50 % higher speed.


It's two engines instead of one. That's a huge increase in operating expenses in this category of aircraft. It's a different market.



2 planes sitting on the ramp ... you have a choice ... which one would you climb into ?
 
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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:13 am

crjflyboy wrote:
kitplane01 wrote:
crjflyboy wrote:

It sure beats an ice proned CARAVAN and it's half the cost offering 50 % higher speed.


It's two engines instead of one. That's a huge increase in operating expenses in this category of aircraft. It's a different market.



2 planes sitting on the ramp ... you have a choice ... which one would you climb into ?


The passengers don't really have a choice, unless two operators fly the same route with both aircraft.

As for those buying the plane in the first place, they'll think long and hard about why they'd have to spend more for something that can carry no more than a Caravan or PC-12.
I'd see a point if it was bigger, say the size of a Twin Otter or Let 410.
It looks like a very nice airplane, but operators of that kind of airplane don't exactly tend to swim in cash and like to go cheap.

That said, I can think of a couple of operators who'd be interested, and I'm sure they'll sell a few.
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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:15 am

Would it be available in my local Walmart?
 
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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:20 am

Francoflier wrote:
crjflyboy wrote:
kitplane01 wrote:

It's two engines instead of one. That's a huge increase in operating expenses in this category of aircraft. It's a different market.



2 planes sitting on the ramp ... you have a choice ... which one would you climb into ?


The passengers don't really have a choice, unless two operators fly the same route with both aircraft.

As for those buying the plane in the first place, they'll think long and hard about why they'd have to spend more for something that can carry no more than a Caravan or PC-12.
I'd see a point if it was bigger, say the size of a Twin Otter or Let 410.
It looks like a very nice airplane, but operators of that kind of airplane don't exactly tend to swim in cash and like to go cheap.

That said, I can think of a couple of operators who'd be interested, and I'm sure they'll sell a few.



This planes listed cost is nearly 50% cheaper than a Cessna Grand Caravan
 
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:28 am

I'd like to see a confirmation of this then, because all I can get are the list prices from Wiki, which mention $4M for the EV-55 and $2.5M for the Grand Caravan.

It is a bigger, more complex airplane, and those PT-6s don't come cheap. There's only so much you can save on cheaper labour.
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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:42 am

Francoflier wrote:
I'd like to see a confirmation of this then, because all I can get are the list prices from Wiki, which mention $4M for the EV-55 and $2.5M for the Grand Caravan.

It is a bigger, more complex airplane, and those PT-6s don't come cheap. There's only so much you can save on cheaper labour.



I read the Chinese placed a locked order for 50 at 1.75 million each

https://www.flyer.co.uk/evektor-ev-55-o ... o-chinese/
 
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:15 am

There is no mention of the order price in the article you posted.
It might well be true, but then you are comparing negotiated price for a large order to list price, which, in aviation, are two very different things.

The EV-55 is certainly a great airplane, and a great competitor, but it is not 50% cheaper than any other airplane you mentioned and does not necessarily constitute the best option for everyone.
I don't think Cessna is panicking just yet...
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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Mon Jun 10, 2019 5:16 am

anshabhi wrote:
Would it be available in my local Walmart?


Never say never, I suppose. You might be able to order one through http://www.walmart.com at some point. In the meantime, you could fly one to either VBT, FYV or XNA, all of which will put you close to Walmart's world headquarters!
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Re: Evektor EV-55 Outback - New plane coming on the market soon

Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:10 pm

Why does wiki say development stopped in 2017?
 
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:19 pm

KlimaBXsst wrote:
Looks good if high wing puddle jumpers are your thing.

That's quite a condescending statement.

Not everyone needs to fly thousands of NM and not everyone can find alternate transportation to aircraft on short hops. There are different markets where different categories of airplanes are needed; this must be one of them.
 
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Re: Evektor EV-55 Outback - New plane coming on the market soon

Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:45 pm

I really like it, I see it as a BN Islander kind of aircraft, but with more range. I hope it comes to New Zealand as it seems a market that might have plenty of suitability
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:49 pm

aerorobnz wrote:
I really like it, I see it as a BN Islander kind of aircraft, but with more range. I hope it comes to New Zealand as it seems a market that might have plenty of suitability


Considerably faster as well with bullet proof engines ….
 
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Re: Evektor EV-55 Outback - New plane coming on the market soon

Mon Jun 10, 2019 9:55 pm

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Why does wiki say development stopped in 2017?


A so called MALAYSIAN investor climbed aboard ... insisted on certain rights to the aircraft ... EVEKTOR gave it to him ... he never wired the money in return ... went through several international courts ... MALAYSIAN went to prison and EVEKTOR was back up and running with an infussion of cash from western sources.

As I said in the initial post ... It's been quite the journey ...
 
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Re: Evektor EV-55 Outback - New plane coming on the market soon

Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:01 pm

It's better looking than the flying box Cessna is building, that's for sure.
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Re: New plane coming on the market soon

Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:02 pm

Francoflier wrote:
There is no mention of the order price in the article you posted.
It might well be true, but then you are comparing negotiated price for a large order to list price, which, in aviation, are two very different things.

The EV-55 is certainly a great airplane, and a great competitor, but it is not 50% cheaper than any other airplane you mentioned and does not necessarily constitute the best option for everyone.
I don't think Cessna is panicking just yet...


other than groceries and fuel … do you ever pay list price ?

I read the story a couple of years ago in Chinese paper … I can't find the article ...
 
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Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:03 pm

Aesma wrote:
It's better looking than the flying box Cessna is building, that's for sure.


Single pilot certified to boot ...
 
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Re: Evektor EV-55 Outback - New plane coming on the market soon

Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:09 pm

Aesma wrote:
It's better looking than the flying box Cessna is building, that's for sure.


that plane is hideous looking ...
 
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Re: Evektor EV-55 Outback - New plane coming on the market soon

Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:36 pm

crjflyboy wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
Why does wiki say development stopped in 2017?


A so called MALAYSIAN investor climbed aboard ... insisted on certain rights to the aircraft ... EVEKTOR gave it to him ... he never wired the money in return ... went through several international courts ... MALAYSIAN went to prison and EVEKTOR was back up and running with an infussion of cash from western sources.

As I said in the initial post ... It's been quite the journey ...


Thank you for the clarification.

Most planes in its class are pre-1970 designs, Do-228 is the only exception with 1982 design.
 
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Re: Evektor EV-55 Outback - New plane coming on the market soon

Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:30 am

On the hompage of the company I am able to find the news, the program was stooped/on hold on 16-Mar-2017.
https://www.evektor.cz/en/news/ev-55-outback-project-information#.XP71U42P6t8

I can not find the news, the program was ever restarted. Sorry but where is the official information/news, the program is now restarted?

It just seems to be one of the many programs, which have never reached the mass production.

It is just the next dead bird.

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