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MEX a global hub?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:02 pm

Will we see Aeromexico transform Mexico City into an Emirates-style hub for the Western Hemisphere? Connecting North America to Latin America, and LatAm to Europe/Asia?
 
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Re: MEX a global hub?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:10 pm

first, they have to figure out their airport situation
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Re: MEX a global hub?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:11 pm

caliboy93 wrote:
Will we see Aeromexico transform Mexico City into an Emirates-style hub for the Western Hemisphere? Connecting North America to Latin America, and LatAm to Europe/Asia?


Probably not. Too far west says MIA :)

I don't think you will see any Emirates Style hub in North America. Too many large airports with the ability to either overfly another city, or there are regional specificity
Even the Emirates Style Hub is in danger. DOH, IST,ETH, and others are there to compete now, and with the 777,787,A330 and A350, many routes are open for competition
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Re: MEX a global hub?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:23 pm

As mentioned above, the airport situation needs resolution first. The Texcoco project really set up well for a large intercontinental hub (perhaps not DXB style, but something significant in size and scale along the lines of LAX).

As far as connectivity, it doesn't connect the eastern half of North America well to South America (too far west). But it is ideal for connections from the west coast and from Asia. Being able to bypass U.S CBP can save hours on a journey from China/ Japan/ S. Korea to Latin America.

The Texcoco cancellation was a big disappointment for Aeromexico and their global growth ambitions.
 
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Re: MEX a global hub?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:27 pm

PTY and CM serve that role for intra Americas travel.

Mexico is in a good spot geographically for Oz-eastern US and southern Africa to western US but MEXs altitude makes already fringe flying not doable due to its altitude. And that's not taking in to consideration any economic viability for said routes.

It is good for Asia and Europe to Latin America, but to get to the US via Mexico odds a huge back track and most routes fly over the US anyway.
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Re: MEX a global hub?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:27 pm

As far as destinations on both ends of the American continent, MIA is as close as you’ll get. Maybe ATL but it doesn’t serve as many destinations to South America as Miami.

There just isn’t much demand between South America and non-Florida/New York states. A lot I assume is VFR with some large exceptions (Sao Paulo). That’s unlike demand between Australasia and Europe. South America isn’t as populous as Asia either.
 
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Re: MEX a global hub?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:43 pm

CarlosSi wrote:


There just isn’t much demand between South America and non-Florida/New York states. A lot I assume is VFR with some large exceptions (Sao Paulo). That’s unlike demand between Australasia and Europe. South America isn’t as populous as Asia either.


IAH-GIG is huge and has a large J fare paying component. IAH-EZE/LIM/BOG are also quite large in O&D.

LAX-LIM/SCL/BOG are also very large in O&D.
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Re: MEX a global hub?

Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:49 pm

SAL, if planned correctly 20 years ago, could have served that purpose. Unlimited grounds to build, no population surrounding the airport, flat terrain with no obstacles, 100ft elevation for weight restrictions… Geographically in a good position, right in the middle of the continent. But PTY has taken that role, so if planned correctly PTY could be the hub connecting the Americas. Both SAL and PTY are airports that are reachable with narrow-bodied aircraft from the north and from the south (almost the whole south). E.g. SCL to SAL aprox. 3000 nm – YYZ to SAL aprox. 1900 nm. PTY is a bit closer to the southern destinations. And both are reachable by aprox. 10 hour flights from most European cities.
 
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Re: MEX a global hub?

Thu Jun 13, 2019 2:52 am

TWA772LR wrote:
PTY and CM serve that role for intra Americas travel.
Indeed.
Also BOG and - in a minor scale SAL plus LIM - do serve as hubs for inter-Americas travel.
Mexico is in a good spot geographically for Oz-eastern US and southern Africa to western US but MEXs altitude makes already fringe flying not doable due to its altitude. And that's not taking in to consideration any economic viability for said routes.
Actually MEX location is kind of a detour from the shortest routes form Oceania to Eastern US/Canada (IAD, JFK, BOS, YYZ) however, not to MIA/MCO.
It is good for Asia and Europe to Latin America, but to get to the US via Mexico odds a huge back track and most routes fly over the US anyway.
Asia to Central America, yes; Asia to PTY, South America and Caribbean, no. Europe to Latin America, not quite.
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Re: MEX a global hub?

Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:10 am

stl07 wrote:
first, they have to figure out their airport situation


Agreed, current facility is far from what a global hub should look like.

Regarding NorthAm-LatAm traffic, besides PTY and CM filling that role to some extent, most of the major O&D markets are already served non-stop.
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Re: MEX a global hub?

Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:52 am

How great is the need? The ME3 have the benefit of being in the middle of heavily trafficked routes, that continue to require a stop—most notably Australia-Europe. They also have the benefit of being a short flight away from the second most populous country on earth (India), which has a notoriously inefficient aviation sector, AND they host a lot of Indian workers, and as such some call them the de facto airline of India.

What similar situation would present itself upon which Mexico would capitalize? And how much traffic is there actually moving between Asia and SA to make it worthwhile? The Middle Eastern carriers are part of a larger initiative that benefit their small relatively resource poor (aside from oil) economies. Mexico is not in the same situation.
 
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Re: MEX a global hub?

Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:53 pm

I am not sure why the Americas need a Dubai style hub. If the airport is big enough in Latin America it is reachable from USA airports by larger model jets. What is really needed is a transfer point for single aisle jets to smaller cities in Latin America.

For example, if you are headed to the largest airport in South America (GRU) then Miami is considerably closer Mexico City. (MEX-GRU 4,008 nm) and (MIA-GRU 3,539 nm). Aeromexico needs Dreamliners to reach GRU. There is very little advantage for a Canadian or USA passenger to fly to MEX to catch a Dreamliner to South America.

On the other hand, PTY is only 3251 nautical miles from Vancouver which is probably the longest reasonable route for COPA and possibly within range of the MAX-9. If the airport in South America is too small to support a B777 from the USA, then it would probably make more sense to transfer at PTY. PTY is at elevation 135' and is not the pure victim of politics like the new MEX airport. USA airlines with flights to PTY-
American Airlines: Miami
Delta Air Lines: Atlanta
Spirit Airlines: Fort Lauderdale, Orlando
United Airlines: Houston–Intercontinental, Newark

Bogata is also within single-aisle jet range of all other airports in South America. USA airlines with flights to BOG-
American Airlines: Dallas/Fort Worth, Miami
Delta Air Lines: Atlanta
United Airlines: Houston–Intercontinental, Newark
Air Canada Rouge: Toronto–Pearson

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