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vhtje wrote:Source?
seansasLCY wrote:Please try to use capital letters and punctuation when posting. It makes the post much easier to read.
Ziyulu wrote:It's called Basic Economy. More and more airlines are introducing it.
runningformqm wrote:ek is introducing unbundled j fares with a buyup required for seat assignments in advance and lounge access.
ba already charges more for seats but includes lounge accesss. .
tphuang wrote:if this makes their j seats more affordable out of NYC, I'm fine with it.
DolphinAir747 wrote:Let's hope they unbundle meals next! Would rather eat at a real restaurant before/after and bring a snack to eat onboard rather than having month-old reheated plane food!
mutu wrote:True but the purpose of this charge was to ensure members of the higher levels of its FFP were able to select (the better) seats (free) whenever they booked. So it is in effect a benefit to some. Also full fare pax are not charged either.
runningformqm wrote:mutu wrote:True but the purpose of this charge was to ensure members of the higher levels of its FFP were able to select (the better) seats (free) whenever they booked. So it is in effect a benefit to some. Also full fare pax are not charged either.
In J there really isnt the same variance in seat quality as there is in Y. I can only see this being a very marginal increase to elites. And many nonelites will likely pay up and pick the "best" J seats anyways.
mutu wrote:runningformqm wrote:ek is introducing unbundled j fares with a buyup required for seat assignments in advance and lounge access.
ba already charges more for seats but includes lounge accesss. .
True but the purpose of this charge was to ensure members of the higher levels of its FFP were able to select (the better) seats (free) whenever they booked. So it is in effect a benefit to some. Also full fare pax are not charged either.
Double edged sword I know but as a higher level member of the BAEC I find this a very positive policy!
DolphinAir747 wrote:Let's hope they unbundle meals next! Would rather eat at a real restaurant before/after and bring a snack to eat onboard rather than having month-old reheated plane food!
Dieuwer wrote:People who want to fly a REAL business class product won't fly EK no longer. Better switch to EY, QR, or a quality Asian carrier.
mutu wrote:True but the purpose of this charge was to ensure members of the higher levels of its FFP were able to select (the better) seats (free) whenever they booked. So it is in effect a benefit to some. Also full fare pax are not charged either.
dtw2hyd wrote:DolphinAir747 wrote:Let's hope they unbundle meals next! Would rather eat at a real restaurant before/after and bring a snack to eat onboard rather than having month-old reheated plane food!
If you recall Mueller was bought in as digital transformation officer to change EK's IT systems to support the al-a-carte model and discard current class segregation model. Not sure how far their systems are to support the envisioned al-a-carte model. With current IT systems, airlines have to create another class, say Cheapo Business.
I would love to see everything unbundled except for the flatbed, IFE, and WiFi. Even the latter two.
I am a non-alcoholic vegetarian. In general not a fan of airline food. Some of the world's best restaurants are on the ground. So, I don't want to pay for my co-passengers' DP, Hennessey, Caviar, Filet mignon ... from my pocket. Economy AVML will do just fine.
Don't need chaffer pickup.
Don't need a lounge, prefer short connections.
BlatantEcho wrote:Want more, buy First.
AIRT0M wrote:The EK biz in this pic looks vile. Wouldn't want to be trapped in the middle seat.
I'm sure many people will want to try the biz, if they can get a special deal, though. I guess some people don't care about lounge access or limo pick up, as long as they get a comfy seat.
AIRT0M wrote:The EK biz in this pic looks vile. Wouldn't want to be trapped in the middle seat.
I'm sure many people will want to try the biz, if they can get a special deal, though. I guess some people don't care about lounge access or limo pick up, as long as they get a comfy seat.
musman9853 wrote:AIRT0M wrote:The EK biz in this pic looks vile. Wouldn't want to be trapped in the middle seat.
I'm sure many people will want to try the biz, if they can get a special deal, though. I guess some people don't care about lounge access or limo pick up, as long as they get a comfy seat.
yeah idk why people rate the European/ME carriers so highly. I'd much rather fly AA than EK.
Blerg wrote:This makes little sense and I don't think it will work out well for them. People who book business are usually people who can afford it, either because they themselves are rich or because the company they work for is. Degrading a product that is supposed to be premium will only drive people to book flights on airlines such as Qatar or Turkish Airlines that keep on improving their own premium product. To me this seems like they are trying to make business class more affordable to those who otherwise couldn't afford it. It can attract unwanted customers the same way it did in economy class.
I think the only thing they will achieve with this is to cheapen their brand and make less value to fly with EK. If they are struggling to fill those premium seats then I think it would be wiser to reconfigure their aircraft and to add more premium economy and economy seats.
DocLightning wrote:BlatantEcho wrote:Want more, buy First.
That's what people said when airlines started unbundling Y. So I guess we're just going to unbundle everything now. Because F is next.
smartplane wrote:This is partly in response to major clients, who reimburse / authorise business class for trip durations over X hours. Now they can authorise business basic.
Will also tap new revenue streams. When upgraded, gives EK the opportunity to extract fees for add-ons.
SEU wrote:musman9853 wrote:AIRT0M wrote:The EK biz in this pic looks vile. Wouldn't want to be trapped in the middle seat.
I'm sure many people will want to try the biz, if they can get a special deal, though. I guess some people don't care about lounge access or limo pick up, as long as they get a comfy seat.
yeah idk why people rate the European/ME carriers so highly. I'd much rather fly AA than EK.
A joke right? Please say that is a joke....
MalevTU134 wrote:
SEU wrote:musman9853 wrote:AIRT0M wrote:The EK biz in this pic looks vile. Wouldn't want to be trapped in the middle seat.
yeah idk why people rate the European/ME carriers so highly. I'd much rather fly AA than EK.
A joke right? Please say that is a joke.
DocLightning wrote:smartplane wrote:This is partly in response to major clients, who reimburse / authorise business class for trip durations over X hours. Now they can authorise business basic.
Will also tap new revenue streams. When upgraded, gives EK the opportunity to extract fees for add-ons.
Do you honestly believe that J fares will decrease because of this? If you do, I have this wonderful bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
LAX772LR wrote:SEU wrote:musman9853 wrote:yeah idk why people rate the European/ME carriers so highly. I'd much rather fly AA than EK.
A joke right? Please say that is a joke.
No, it's not a joke, and I agree with him.... I'd happily take AA's J on their 77W or 788 over EK's J offering on any of their aircraft.
QR, no. EK, absolutely.
stl07 wrote:those who take their 767 and older 777s say never again
stl07 wrote:LAX772LR wrote:SEU wrote:A joke right? Please say that is a joke.
No, it's not a joke, and I agree with him.... I'd happily take AA's J on their 77W or 788 over EK's J offering on any of their aircraft.
QR, no. EK, absolutely.
AA's fleet is so diverse that those who take their 767 and older 777s say never again while those who take their 77W and 788s say its better than airline X.
SEU wrote:musman9853 wrote:AIRT0M wrote:The EK biz in this pic looks vile. Wouldn't want to be trapped in the middle seat.
I'm sure many people will want to try the biz, if they can get a special deal, though. I guess some people don't care about lounge access or limo pick up, as long as they get a comfy seat.
yeah idk why people rate the European/ME carriers so highly. I'd much rather fly AA than EK.
A joke right? Please say that is a joke....
stl07 wrote:LAX772LR wrote:SEU wrote:A joke right? Please say that is a joke.
No, it's not a joke, and I agree with him.... I'd happily take AA's J on their 77W or 788 over EK's J offering on any of their aircraft.
QR, no. EK, absolutely.
AA's fleet is so diverse that those who take their 767 and older 777s say never again while those who take their 77W and 788s say its better than airline X.
musman9853 wrote:stl07 wrote:LAX772LR wrote:No, it's not a joke, and I agree with him.... I'd happily take AA's J on their 77W or 788 over EK's J offering on any of their aircraft.
QR, no. EK, absolutely.
AA's fleet is so diverse that those who take their 767 and older 777s say never again while those who take their 77W and 788s say its better than airline X.
I've flown AA J on 757/767/772/787. the 757 is the only one that wasn't that good, but it was a domestic flight so I didn't mind.
BlatantEcho wrote:This actually seems really smart and obvious in retrospect. Bet other airlines will follow suit.
Why make people pay for stuff they don’t want?
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Also, I have no issues with EK biz class. Flown it a couple times. Want more, buy First.
I want a bed and nothing else on biz flight. That’s what you get here.