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Updated: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:09 pm

JAL plans to introduce the Airbus A350-900 aircraft on its Haneda - Fukuoka route effective September 2019.

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http://press.jal.co.jp/en/items/uploads ... elease.pdf

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Yes the A350 will be a domestic aircraft initially replacing the 375 seat domestic 777-200 fleet.

(related JAL will also introduce its first domestic configured 787, the -8 in the fall also, on the HND-OSA route)
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:16 pm

A359 was planned to be half domestic half international AFAIK anyway. Wouldn't surprise me if HND-CTS is the next route, and for international, routes like HND-GMP.

Another interesting note from the PR is the domestic 788 on HND-ITM.
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:20 pm

I wonder if the HND-ORD route would ever be flown on an A359?

I know that it will be on a 788 once it starts this year.
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:22 pm

Galvan316 wrote:
I wonder if the HND-ORD route would ever be flown on an A359?

I know that it will be on a 788 once it starts this year.


JL's frames are derated version (A350-942). I don't think they are capable to fly that far.
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:26 pm

I am right or this is the first Airbus product for JAL? Also, what is the rationale for having ordered 350s, as was an early user of the 787?
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:36 pm

Is there really not a more optimal plane to put on this short of a route, like a 787-10 or A330-900? Seems like dropping a shark in a fish bowl.
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:37 pm

moyangmm wrote:
Galvan316 wrote:
I wonder if the HND-ORD route would ever be flown on an A359?

I know that it will be on a 788 once it starts this year.


JL's frames are derated version (A350-942). I don't think they are capable to fly that far.


Thank you for the info, So basically JL'S A350s are akin to the the 747-400D they used to have.

I wasn't aware, thank you for the education
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:43 pm

FCOTSTW wrote:
I am right or this is the first Airbus product for JAL? Also, what is the rationale for having ordered 350s, as was an early user of the 787?


35k to replace 77W, 359 to replace domestic 772.
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:44 pm

FCOTSTW wrote:
I am right or this is the first Airbus product for


They had a pretty big fleet of A300s for domestic ops

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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 6:51 pm

FCOTSTW wrote:
I am right or this is the first Airbus product for JAL? Also, what is the rationale for having ordered 350s, as was an early user of the 787?

They already operated the A300 before.

They came from a merger with Japan Air System (JD) in 2002 who operated the A300 on domestic flights.
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:52 pm

Why not use a 787-10 or A330-NEO then? This seems like an expensive plane to fly on a short domestic route (with the understanding that intra-Japan flights between big airports are flown with wide bodies for decades).
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:23 pm

Wouldn't the A35K and 789 or 78J have been more suitable for domestic ops, where the range capabilities of the A359 and 788 wouldn't be a requirement?
Kinda surprised the 772 is used on this route for the same reason.
 
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:30 pm

Pudelhund wrote:
Is there really not a more optimal plane to put on this short of a route, like a 787-10 or A330-900? Seems like dropping a shark in a fish bowl.


They will get a significant fleet fast, many short flights, 6-8 a day, is the best way to train and certify a lot of pilots, crews, maintenance teams in a short period.
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:35 pm

FCOTSTW wrote:
Also, what is the rationale for having ordered 350s, as was an early user of the 787?

Cointrin330 wrote:
Why not use a 787-10 or A330-NEO then? This seems like an expensive plane to fly on a short domestic route.

Slug71 wrote:
Wouldn't the A35K and 789 or 78J have been more suitable for domestic ops, where the range capabilities of the A359 and 788 wouldn't be a requirement? Kinda surprised the 772 is used on this route for the same reason.


1) JAL wanted to dual-source their widebody fleet so that a future issue with one family would not ground the entire fleet.

2) The A350-900, A350-1000 and 787-10 are all have a 440 seat seat Evacuation Limit. So the extra cabin area of the 787-10 and A350-1000 would not be usable for more seats vis-a-vis the A350-900 considering how Economy-heavy the domestic 777-200 fleet is (an airframe that is also limited to 440 seats per EL).

3) JAL flies very low-density, premium-heavy international configurations. The A350-900 and A350-1000 offered them similar cabin floor area to their existing 777-200ER and 777-300ER fleet (with similar or lower operating weights and much lower fuel burn). The 777-8 and 777-9 would have required much higher seating densities to counter their heavier weight and one of the reasons JAL went bankrupt in the recent past was due to overcapacity (all those half-full 747-400s plying international routes).
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:52 pm

Momo1435 wrote:
FCOTSTW wrote:
I am right or this is the first Airbus product for JAL? Also, what is the rationale for having ordered 350s, as was an early user of the 787?

They already operated the A300 before.

They came from a merger with Japan Air System (JD) in 2002 who operated the A300 on domestic flights.


A350 would be the first Airbus product ordered by JAL themselves.

As for A350 order, I dug up an old thread:
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=569351

Basically b/c Airbus is "Better". There were also speculations that it's to send a message to Boeing after the early 787 debacles (Delays then battery fires) that resulted in numerous cancelled flights for JL (i.e. similar to what Stitch said - it's to diversifying away from a single source).

Also, JL wants to replace those old 772A and 773A domestic fleet basically now. The other option would be to wait for 777X, which is still a few years away. The 18x A359 is going to mainly replace the 12x 772A and the remaining 4x 773A (alongside those 4x 788 in domestic config that JL just ordered). Those 35K would then replace international 772ERs and some 77Ws.
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:13 pm

This is mostly as expected.

Airlines tend to fly their new model in shot hops first for crew training before deploying them to long haul destinations.
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:20 pm

leyland1989 wrote:
This is mostly as expected.

Airlines tend to fly their new model in shot hops first for crew training before deploying them to long haul destinations.


No--these 359 will be flying domestic exclusively; they are all "regional" variant.
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:26 pm

Galvan316 wrote:
I wonder if the HND-ORD route would ever be flown on an A359?

I know that it will be on a 788 once it starts this year.


I think you might be confusing JAL taking over NRT flying for AA.
I can’t remember if it’s 3 or 4 weekly in place of AA.
There’s been rumors of HND- ORD but I’m pretty sure they haven’t been awarded it.
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:48 pm

moyangmm wrote:
leyland1989 wrote:
This is mostly as expected.

Airlines tend to fly their new model in shot hops first for crew training before deploying them to long haul destinations.


No--these 359 will be flying domestic exclusively; they are all "regional" variant.

Regional config follow by international variant seems logical and my argument remain valid since they are mechanically similar.
They can still familiar themselves with maintenance and operation with the brand new fleet on shorter routes.
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:50 pm

I think these would have been Boeings if Boeing hadn't experienced the 787 battery fiasco. There was a lot of conversation at the time that JAL management felt burned by Boeing. That's not to say they ordered A350s out of spite, but they gave the Airbus product a legitimate shot for the first time, and it ended up fitting their needs better than the bigger, heavier 777X.

As it is I'm a bit surprised by the way they've allocated their 787 and A350 orders internally. I would have thought the A350 would have been preferable for the longest routes, and the 787(-10) better for domestic service.
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:28 pm

JAL A350-900 seat map ? Love to see it
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:32 pm

^Me too! I'd love to be able to sample this on a domestic route if it's one of the internationally configured birds, especially if they offer the cheap "Class J" upgrades at the desk...
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:48 pm

seabosdca wrote:
I think these would have been Boeings if Boeing hadn't experienced the 787 battery fiasco. There was a lot of conversation at the time that JAL management felt burned by Boeing. That's not to say they ordered A350s out of spite, but they gave the Airbus product a legitimate shot for the first time, and it ended up fitting their needs better than the bigger, heavier 777X.


I still think the 777-9 was too large for them, but I do agree that "inertia" probably would have swung the deal to Boeing (as perhaps it did with ANA).


seabosdca wrote:
As it is I'm a bit surprised by the way they've allocated their 787 and A350 orders internally. I would have thought the A350 would have been preferable for the longest routes, and the 787(-10) better for domestic service.


I would not be surprised if they needed a minimum A350 fleet size to maximize the return on the costs of adding the model and that favored using the A350-900 for domestic operations as well as international to reach that size.

And JAL could still be a future 787-10 operator.
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Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:56 pm

leyland1989 wrote:
Regional config follow by international variant seems logical and my argument remain valid since they are mechanically similar.
They can still familiar themselves with maintenance and operation with the brand new fleet on shorter routes.


I think their plan was use 359 on domestic and 35k on international routes. JL's international configs tend to be extremely premium heavy; their 77W have as low as 214 seats. It make sense for them to use larger aircraft. But I think you are still right that 35K and 359 are very similar.
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:11 am

Since this is domestic, will the seating be 3-3-3?
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:40 am

keesje wrote:
Pudelhund wrote:
Is there really not a more optimal plane to put on this short of a route, like a 787-10 or A330-900? Seems like dropping a shark in a fish bowl.


They will get a significant fleet fast, many short flights, 6-8 a day, is the best way to train and certify a lot of pilots, crews, maintenance teams in a short period.


Aren't these domestic birds? This is dedicated to the short haul.
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:05 am

Ziyulu wrote:
Since this is domestic, will the seating be 3-3-3?


Very likely. I would be surprised if JL goes 3-4-3.
 
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Ziyulu wrote:
Since this is domestic, will the seating be 3-3-3?


JAL's A350 fleet should be 3+3+3 in both domestic and international configuration.

moyangmm wrote:
Very likely. I would be surprised if JL goes 3-4-3.


They did move from 3+3+3 to 3+4+3 on their domestic 777-200 fleet, however the A350-900 can hold three more rows of Economy than a 777-200 so that should allow them to have similar seating while still at 3+3+3.
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:13 am

The A350 is designed for ultra long haul flights not 90 minute short hauls. AN A350 is too much plane for Japanese domestic runs. Better than A350 would be an A321 or 737 max 9 with 200 passengers. JAL has 787 and 767 for regional high capacity needs, using an A350 for the long term is unwise, for crew training it ok. Can't wait to see what the inside looks like especially First Class suites,
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:15 am

Stitch wrote:
JAL's A350 fleet should be 3+3+3 in both domestic and international configuration.


Is it possible that JL will introduce something interesting like "Sky Wide" on their international 35K configured as 2-4-2?
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:42 am

moyangmm wrote:
Is it possible that JL will introduce something interesting like "Sky Wide" on their international 35K configured as 2-4-2?


Well JAL already has a 2+4+2 Premium Economy cabin so I am guessing their International frames will be three classes:

1+2+1 Business Class
2+4+2 Premium Economy Class
3+3+3 Economy Class
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:44 am

What is cycle life of A350-942? Did they order before availability of 787-10? 787-10 with its mono carbon fuselodge should have advantage on cycle life
 
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Thu Jan 24, 2019 1:53 am

moyangmm wrote:
Galvan316 wrote:
I wonder if the HND-ORD route would ever be flown on an A359?

I know that it will be on a 788 once it starts this year.


JL's frames are derated version (A350-942). I don't think they are capable to fly that far.

I thought the A350 was comparable to the B787? And they can't fly from Haneda to Chicago? Are you sure? And why would JAL buy an airplane like that just for more or less regional routes?
 
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strfyr51 wrote:
moyangmm wrote:
Galvan316 wrote:
I wonder if the HND-ORD route would ever be flown on an A359?

I know that it will be on a 788 once it starts this year.


JL's frames are derated version (A350-942). I don't think they are capable to fly that far.

I thought the A350 was comparable to the B787? And they can't fly from Haneda to Chicago? Are you sure? And why would JAL buy an airplane like that just for more or less regional routes?


It is and yes the A350-900 can fly HND-ORD. But JAL ordered a derated A350-900 with a reduced MTOW of 210t (instead of 280t). If it is used for domestic and short international trips only, this is totally fine. For long range operation, they can still order the fully rated version if necessary. I believe it is also possible, to upgrade the derated one if required, as normally the planes are physically identical, just technically rated for lower MTOW.

Air traffic in Japan has always been high density. Even in the seventies they used short range versions of the jumbo, the B747-100SR, later the B747-400D without winglets and shortened wings. Today you can fly even very short routes like ITM-HND on 737, 767, 777 or 787.
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:27 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
Why not use a 787-10 or A330-NEO then?


Pudelhund wrote:
, like a 787-10 or A330-900?


Slug71 wrote:
Wouldn't the A35K and 789 or 78J have been more suitable for domestic ops,


I actually think seat width might be the issue here. JAL runs 8ab on their 787's for slightly more comfort than normal airlines for long flights. Usually you run higher density on domestic flights. With 8ab on the 787 it is a little too comfortable, where as 9ab on a 787 is too tight for their domestic standard. Going 9ab on the A350 is the perfect middle ground between the two.

Also paper derating the domestic fleet for lower airport fees works well. You can then up the MTOW weight to 280T for long haul flights. Samw aircraft and same pilot pool so it works well.
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Thu Jan 24, 2019 2:59 am

Stitch wrote:
FCOTSTW wrote:
Also, what is the rationale for having ordered 350s, as was an early user of the 787?

Cointrin330 wrote:
Why not use a 787-10 or A330-NEO then? This seems like an expensive plane to fly on a short domestic route.

Slug71 wrote:
Wouldn't the A35K and 789 or 78J have been more suitable for domestic ops, where the range capabilities of the A359 and 788 wouldn't be a requirement? Kinda surprised the 772 is used on this route for the same reason.


1) JAL wanted to dual-source their widebody fleet so that a future issue with one family would not ground the entire fleet.

2) The A350-900, A350-1000 and 787-10 are all have a 440 seat seat Evacuation Limit. So the extra cabin area of the 787-10 and A350-1000 would not be usable for more seats vis-a-vis the A350-900 considering how Economy-heavy the domestic 777-200 fleet is (an airframe that is also limited to 440 seats per EL).

3) JAL flies very low-density, premium-heavy international configurations. The A350-900 and A350-1000 offered them similar cabin floor area to their existing 777-200ER and 777-300ER fleet (with similar or lower operating weights and much lower fuel burn). The 777-8 and 777-9 would have required much higher seating densities to counter their heavier weight and one of the reasons JAL went bankrupt in the recent past was due to overcapacity (all those half-full 747-400s plying international routes).


Ah. That makes sense. I had not factored in the Exit Limits.
I guess they probably dont need the extra volume for Freight either most likely. (?)

RJMAZ wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
Why not use a 787-10 or A330-NEO then?


Pudelhund wrote:
, like a 787-10 or A330-900?


Slug71 wrote:
Wouldn't the A35K and 789 or 78J have been more suitable for domestic ops,


I actually think seat width might be the issue here. JAL runs 8ab on their 787's for slightly more comfort than normal airlines for long flights. Usually you run higher density on domestic flights. With 8ab on the 787 it is a little too comfortable, where as 9ab on a 787 is too tight for their domestic standard. Going 9ab on the A350 is the perfect middle ground between the two.

Also paper derating the domestic fleet for lower airport fees works well. You can then up the MTOW weight to 280T for long haul flights. Samw aircraft and same pilot pool so it works well.


They're still using the 788 on domestic flights though. I don't think the A359 will be replacing them.
What Stich said above makes sense.
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:08 am

LDRA wrote:
What is cycle life of A350-942?


We don't know as of yet, but we assume it will be higher.


LDRA wrote:
Did they order before availability of 787-10? 787-10 with its mono carbon fuselage should have advantage on cycle life


No, JAL placed their order after the launch of the 787-10. And the A350 is a CFRP airframe, as well.


RJMAZ wrote:
I actually think seat width might be the issue here. JAL runs 8ab on their 787's for slightly more comfort than normal airlines for long flights. Usually you run higher density on domestic flights. With 8ab on the 787 it is a little too comfortable, where as 9ab on a 787 is too tight for their domestic standard. Going 9ab on the A350 is the perfect middle ground between the two.


JAL does run their domestic 777s at 3+4+3 so the seat width would be the same on a 3+3+3 787. That being said, I do think the A350 at 3+3+3 being the same 18" as their 3+4+2 international 777s played a role for that part of the order.
 
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Pudelhund wrote:
Is there really not a more optimal plane to put on this short of a route, like a 787-10 or A330-900? Seems like dropping a shark in a fish bowl.


If you're only saying this because of the size of the plane then no. HND-FUK has lots of big planes (I've been on 777-300's with 514 seats on that route) and tons of frequency. Despite that, all flights are sold out fairly often in my experience.
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Thu Jan 24, 2019 3:45 am

Stitch wrote:
FCOTSTW wrote:
Also, what is the rationale for having ordered 350s, as was an early user of the 787?

Cointrin330 wrote:
Why not use a 787-10 or A330-NEO then? This seems like an expensive plane to fly on a short domestic route.

Slug71 wrote:
Wouldn't the A35K and 789 or 78J have been more suitable for domestic ops, where the range capabilities of the A359 and 788 wouldn't be a requirement? Kinda surprised the 772 is used on this route for the same reason.


1) JAL wanted to dual-source their widebody fleet so that a future issue with one family would not ground the entire fleet.




2) The A350-900, A350-1000 and 787-10 are all have a 440 seat seat Evacuation Limit. So the extra cabin area of the 787-10 and A350-1000 would not be usable for more seats vis-a-vis the A350-900 considering how Economy-heavy the domestic 777-200 fleet is (an airframe that is also limited to 440 seats per EL).








3) JAL flies very low-density, premium-heavy international configurations. The A350-900 and A350-1000 offered them similar cabin floor area to their existing 777-200ER and 777-300ER fleet (with similar or lower operating weights and much lower fuel burn). The 777-8 and 777-9 would have required much higher seating densities to counter their heavier weight and one of the reasons JAL went bankrupt in the recent past was due to overcapacity (all those half-full 747-400s plying international routes).


Insightful as usual. Those 747’s were packed in the 80’s and empty starting late 90’s. Used to love the light flat opportunity in economy!
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:50 am

I recall discussion about the 744D that running a frame intensively on domestic for a few years, then uprating and running it less intensively on long haul actually made optimum use of design cycles and hours. I don't know if any frames were used that way.

Could apply to 359also.
 
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JerseyFlyer wrote:
I recall discussion about the 744D that running a frame intensively on domestic for a few years, then uprating and running it less intensively on long haul actually made optimum use of design cycles and hours. I don't know if any frames were used that way.

Could apply to 359also.


The 747-400D could be operated in both short-haul and long-haul configuration and NH did so (part of the process was reinstalling the wingtip devices). Not sure if JL did so, as well.
 
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Stitch wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
I recall discussion about the 744D that running a frame intensively on domestic for a few years, then uprating and running it less intensively on long haul actually made optimum use of design cycles and hours. I don't know if any frames were used that way.

Could apply to 359also.


The 747-400D could be operated in both short-haul and long-haul configuration and NH did so (part of the process was reinstalling the wingtip devices). Not sure if JL did so, as well.


JL didn't convert any of theirs. NH only convert two 744D (JA8955 and JA8957) into "standard" 744 as a stopgap due shortage of international aircraft, rather than design cycles/hours, as those two were converted back to 744D in 2002 (Built in 1993 as 744D, converted to "standard" 744 in 1996, back to 744D in 2002). The conversion involved both reinstalling the wingtip devices along with plugging in the 2 extra windows on upper deck.

On another note, two NH "standard" 744 (JA401A/JA402A) were converted to 744D (by removing the wingtip devices), then were sold and converted to freighter for Yangtze River Express/Suparna Airlines (B-2432/B-2435, both still in service). Those two planes while in service as 744D lacked the two extra windows on upper deck.

As for the A359 - I don't see JL moving them to international fleet in short term. Those are built as replacement for domestic 772A/773A (Which are getting up there in age), plus if JL really wants to operate A359 on international routes, they can just have new one built with international cabin with standard MTOW.
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:51 pm

I remember when Airbus proposed the 74k engine for the regional A350, is that what JAL’s getting?

Now we have 2 airlines with the regional A350 (SQ and JAL), do we have others?
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Thu Jan 24, 2019 6:04 pm

Eyad89 wrote:
I remember when Airbus proposed the 74k engine for the regional A350, is that what JAL’s getting?

Now we have 2 airlines with the regional A350 (SQ and JAL), do we have others?

The Aer Lingus order was for the Regional variant, although IAG may have changed it since it was placed.
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:24 am

Since the first flight will be HND-FUK, I hope it will mean that it will have a three-class configuration (First/Class J/Economy).
First Class 2X2X2 (maybe two to three rows), a Class J cabin 2X4X2 (behind first class), and then an economy cabin with 3X3X3.

I look forward flying it soon! Japan continues the trend of widebody domestic flyings.

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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:55 am

Eyad89 wrote:
I remember when Airbus proposed the 74k engine for the regional A350, is that what JAL’s getting?

Now we have 2 airlines with the regional A350 (SQ and JAL), do we have others?

The SQ ones are "regional" in cabin configuration, not specifications. Specs wise they are the same as the long haul ones.
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:06 am

Eyad89 wrote:
I remember when Airbus proposed the 74k engine for the regional A350, is that what JAL’s getting?

Now we have 2 airlines with the regional A350 (SQ and JAL), do we have others?


The JAL A350 version is called "Domestic".

There is a difference in terms of MTOW and engine rating between the Domestic and the Regional one.
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:48 am

jeffrey0032j wrote:
Eyad89 wrote:
I remember when Airbus proposed the 74k engine for the regional A350, is that what JAL’s getting?

Now we have 2 airlines with the regional A350 (SQ and JAL), do we have others?

The SQ ones are "regional" in cabin configuration, not specifications. Specs wise they are the same as the long haul ones.

The news was https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 50-388540/
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:05 am

c933103 wrote:
jeffrey0032j wrote:
Eyad89 wrote:
I remember when Airbus proposed the 74k engine for the regional A350, is that what JAL’s getting?

Now we have 2 airlines with the regional A350 (SQ and JAL), do we have others?

The SQ ones are "regional" in cabin configuration, not specifications. Specs wise they are the same as the long haul ones.

The news was https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... 50-388540/

Thanks, I stand corrected.

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