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Re: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:23 am

Oh, I seem to have stumbled into pedants.net.

Anyway, congratulations to JAL on taking delivery of their first Airbus A350. I hope that's OK for everyone? :sarcastic:
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Re: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:37 am

scbriml wrote:
Oh, I seem to have stumbled into pedants.net.

Anyway, congratulations to JAL on taking delivery of their first Airbus A350. I hope that's OK for everyone? :sarcastic:


Yes, I think we'd better stick with that!

Leaving aside the A300, which was quite different technology from the A350, this must be a big cultural change for JAL, which is probably the last major international airline to have held back from ordering (!!) Airbuses. The JAL pilots would have to learn a whole new philosophy and the Airbus "way", which - even for those used to glass cockpits - is significantly different from Boeing's.

I do hope it serves them well (I see no reason why it shouldn't) and hopefully we'll see top-ups (and eventually, a more inspired livery from JAL!)
 
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Re: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:29 am

Japan, historically a no-go zone for Airbus, has been a big hunting-ground for it lately. Most Japanese LCCs operate A320s; NH has the A320, A321 and A380; and now Oneworld no longer has a member that does not operate Airbus.*

*Of course, that will change when AT joins next year.

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scbriml wrote:
Oh, I seem to have stumbled into pedants.net.

Anyway, congratulations to JAL on taking delivery of their first Airbus A350. I hope that's OK for everyone? :sarcastic:

Yes, I think we'd better stick with that!

Leaving aside the A300, which was quite different technology from the A350, this must be a big cultural change for JAL, which is probably the last major international airline to have held back from ordering (!!) Airbuses. The JAL pilots would have to learn a whole new philosophy and the Airbus "way", which - even for those used to glass cockpits - is significantly different from Boeing's.

I do hope it serves them well (I see no reason why it shouldn't) and hopefully we'll see top-ups (and eventually, a more inspired livery from JAL!)

There are a number of major international airlines that have steered clear of Airbus: LOT, El Al, KQ and AM, to name a few. Among these, LY and AM are 100% Boeing airlines, while the other two operate Embraers.
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Re: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:56 am

kaitak wrote:
scbriml wrote:
Oh, I seem to have stumbled into pedants.net.

Anyway, congratulations to JAL on taking delivery of their first Airbus A350. I hope that's OK for everyone? :sarcastic:


Yes, I think we'd better stick with that!

Leaving aside the A300, which was quite different technology from the A350, this must be a big cultural change for JAL, which is probably the last major international airline to have held back from ordering (!!) Airbuses. The JAL pilots would have to learn a whole new philosophy and the Airbus "way", which - even for those used to glass cockpits - is significantly different from Boeing's.

I do hope it serves them well (I see no reason why it shouldn't) and hopefully we'll see top-ups (and eventually, a more inspired livery from JAL!)

Well, on the LH first 777X thread there was a discussion about the LH livery, and on the SAS A350 routes thread there was also talk about a new livery (for SK). On the former, someone remarked about JAL's livery as minimalist but done right. Looking at the pic, I have to agree. But I do hope not every airline will adopt the same approach though.

I still am very surprised JAL chose the A350 as their domestic widebody aircraft. The 787-10 seemed to be a more logical choice. For long haul ops though, the A350 should be a perfect fit for JL.
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Re: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:06 am

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Re: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:41 am

Was hoping for JAL to do something innovative with their great looking new A350 for long haul. Using such a nice plane for 90 minute flights is not the same. JAL already has what has to be the nicest domestic fleet in the world. Have you seen their First Class seats on domestic flights, flying thrones.
 
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Re: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Fri Jun 14, 2019 11:50 am

Guess the first domestic routes are for crew training. Afterall it is the first fly by wire, sidestick Airbus in JAL´s fleet.
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Re: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:11 pm

columba wrote:
Guess the first domestic routes are for crew training. Afterall it is the first fly by wire, sidestick Airbus in JAL´s fleet.

This is a domestic configured plane replacing the domestic 772. Barring a shift in strategy from JAL it will spend its entire life flying domestic routes.

A35Ks will be used long haul.
 
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Re: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:41 pm

jfk777 wrote:
Was hoping for JAL to do something innovative with their great looking new A350 for long haul. Using such a nice plane for 90 minute flights is not the same. JAL already has what has to be the nicest domestic fleet in the world. Have you seen their First Class seats on domestic flights, flying thrones.


The planes are nice but they're also getting old.

Plus you'll see A35K on long-haul once JL eventually takes delivery of them.

frigatebird wrote:
I still am very surprised JAL chose the A350 as their domestic widebody aircraft. The 787-10 seemed to be a more logical choice. For long haul ops though, the A350 should be a perfect fit for JL.


JL diversify their fleet on purpose, i.e. in case one plane type (Cough...787...) face major issues, they still got other new planes.

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This is a domestic configured plane replacing the domestic 772. Barring a shift in strategy from JAL it will spend its entire life flying domestic routes.


As I've said on a few other threads, I can see the A359s being used as charters during the Tokyo Olympics to places like Seoul. But yes, otherwise they'll be spending 99% of their life flying HND-FUK/CTS/ITM/OKA.
 
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Re: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:08 pm

JAL ordered the A350 from Airbus because they were increasingly frustrated with Boeing and the 787.
 
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Re: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:43 pm

RB211trent wrote:
JAL ordered the A350 from Airbus because they were increasingly frustrated with Boeing and the 787.

Yes, the grounding was the last straw and JAL decided to act by ordering the A350.
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:45 pm

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Re: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:00 pm

flee wrote:
RB211trent wrote:
JAL ordered the A350 from Airbus because they were increasingly frustrated with Boeing and the 787.

Yes, the grounding was the last straw and JAL decided to act by ordering the A350.[/

A decision to purchase one over the other, simply for a possible (temporary) grounding, would be made if the economics didn't work.
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Fri Jun 14, 2019 6:24 pm

Can't express how much I like that livery on the A350. The colors and the proportion of all the elements are perfect. It even sort of works with the usually awful raccoon mask. That is the way to do Eurowhite.
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

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OI'll never like JAL's livery but at least the all white suits the A350 very nicely. Goes to show what a well proportioned machine it is. Oh and those wingtipfenceletsdevices!
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Re: Updated: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:01 am

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It will be better if they match the color of the winglets with the "350 title"
 
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Re: Updated: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:23 am

I absolutely love the way they paint that winglet, the ombre effect works perfectly with that blended design.

The 'Airbus A350' titles look really smart, it's classy and effective while breaking up some of that eurowhite.
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:33 am

AtomicGarden wrote:
OI'll never like JAL's livery but at least the all white suits the A350 very nicely. Goes to show what a well proportioned machine it is. Oh and those wingtipfenceletsdevices!


White liveries can be very nice, but you need to keep them white (AF caugh caugh).
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Re: Updated: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Mon Jul 29, 2019 12:21 am

JAL A350 schedules expanded.

Will cover 10 of 17 HND-FUK roundtrips effective Sep/Oct 2019.

Also, commence HND-OKA and HND-CTS effective March 2020.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ce-in-s20/
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Re: Updated: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Thu Aug 22, 2019 3:46 am

It was just reported yesterday (as in routesonline hasn't even picked it up) that two of the three 767 HND-CTS roundtrips for W19 will be upgraded to A350:

JL517/518 1:30p~3:00p/5:00p~6:35p
JL527/528 6:30p~8:00p/9:00p~10:40p

This will make 4/16 daily HND-CTS flights using the A350, 11 772, 3 73H and 1 767 roundtrip (JL505/506). For comparison, the summer schedule is 11 772, 3 73H, 3 773 (not sure if this includes additional capacity for Obon)

Start dates for the A350 expansion in Fukuoka have also been announced. It'll be 3/17 daily HND-FUK roundtrips using A350 from Sept 1, then 8/17 daily starting October 27, then 9 daily from December 1, and finally 12 daily starting February 1. (JL329/332 switches back to 763 btwn 10/27~11/30, then A350 again btwn 12/1~1/31). That same day, the morning HND-OKA flight (JL901/902) will switch to an A350 two months ahead of schedule.

https://www.aviationwire.jp/archives/181624
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... on-to-w19/

These three routes used to be the wheelhouses of the 747SR/747-400D, it's kind of weird seeing them operate with twinjets. If you had asked me 10+ years ago, what kind of aircraft would be flying HND-CTS/ITM/FUK/OKA in the future, I would have bet on 800-seat A380SR variants. I guess things have changed
 
 
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Re: Updated: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

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Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:51 am

Another JAL A350 special livery.

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Re: Updated: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:29 am

Are all the A350-900 going to be domestic planes or are any going to be used to European, North American or Australian cities ?
 
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Re: Updated: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:14 am

jfk777 wrote:
Are all the A350-900 going to be domestic planes or are any going to be used to European, North American or Australian cities ?


Domestic only. The A359 are ordered to replace the non-ER (domestic) B772 and B773.

The A35K will be use on intercontinental routes, though.
 
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Re: Updated: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:23 pm

The JAL A359 have to be the only ones used exclusively on short haul flights. Every major airline I can think of using A350 uses them on long haul.
 
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Re: Updated: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:35 pm

jfk777 wrote:
The JAL A359 have to be the only ones used exclusively on short haul flights. Every major airline I can think of using A350 uses them on long haul.


While not as short-haul as intra-Japan, Singapore Airlines does have a number of LGW A350-900s that perform shortish regional missions.
 
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Wed Nov 27, 2019 12:33 am

jfk777 wrote:
The JAL A359 have to be the only ones used exclusively on short haul flights. Every major airline I can think of using A350 uses them on long haul.

I believe quite a few use their A350s on short flights too and not just to increase utilization between long haul, eg CX, CI between TPE-HKG, only 500 miles,
 
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Re: Updated: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:29 am

JAL to densify A350 with a 391 seat configuration to be introduced for summer 2020.

Will go from 12/94/263 to 12/56/323

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Re: Updated: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:44 am

I'm surprised they don't go 3-4-3 in Economy for shorthaul use.
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 4:18 pm

mel wrote:
I'm surprised they don't go 3-4-3 in Economy for shorthaul use.


Not sure they can do so and stay within the 440-seat Exit Limit as the new configuration is 391.
 
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Re: Updated: JAL takes delivery of its 1st Airbus (A350)

Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:25 pm

Stitch wrote:
mel wrote:
I'm surprised they don't go 3-4-3 in Economy for shorthaul use.


Not sure they can do so and stay within the 440-seat Exit Limit as the new configuration is 391.


Indeed, if you check p.11-12 of the TCDS the maximum for D2-D3 is 180 or with A+ 190. So for 20 rows there you are limited with 9 abreast.
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