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Fri Feb 15, 2019 9:38 am

This might be the first PTV-less A359 in existance
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2019 10:49 am

More information on routes

Due to enter service on 1 September on HND-FUK JL317/318, during September will operate JL303/306, JL317/318, JL329/332

Will eventually operate on other routes including HND-CTS/OKA/ITM

First 3 aircraft to wear big Airbus A350 titles on back of fuselage, the first being red which symbolizes challenge, second silver symbolizes innovation and third green symbolizes Eco

Aircraft configured with 369 seats, 12 First Class, 94 J Class, 263 Economy

More details of cabin specifications to be revealed in June

http://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/201904/005134.html
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I am somewhat surprised they run First on such short routes.
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Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:26 am

The seat map is for a "domestic" JAL A350, very similar to their 777-200 used on the same routes. When will we get to see the international A350 configuration similar to the 77W and 787-9. That is the one am waiting for.
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2019 1:29 pm

The first 3 will have a special livery as well (link in dutch):
https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/ ... ry-op-a350
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:34 pm

I assume these are 10-abreast in coach (which is supported by the high seat count) - otherwise I would have expected them to choose a 787 for this config and allocate all the A350s to international work. In any event, looking forward to seeing the first three.
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:51 pm

seabosdca wrote:
I assume these are 10-abreast in coach (which is supported by the high seat count) - otherwise I would have expected them to choose a 787 for this config and allocate all the A350s to international work. In any event, looking forward to seeing the first three.


No it is 9 abreast in Economy and 8 abreast in "Class J" (Premium Economy).

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Stitch wrote:
seabosdca wrote:
I assume these are 10-abreast in coach (which is supported by the high seat count) - otherwise I would have expected them to choose a 787 for this config and allocate all the A350s to international work. In any event, looking forward to seeing the first three.


No it is 9 abreast in Economy and 8 abreast in "Class J" (Premium Economy).

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Interesting. Not that I ever will, but I'd be interested to see the analysis that put these frames on domestic rather than a few 787-9s.
 
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Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:32 am

It’s probably for crew familiarisation first and later on be sent for international routes.
 
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Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:32 am

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Not that I ever will, but I'd be interested to see the analysis that put these frames on domestic rather than a few 787-9s.


I am guessing raw capacity. The 787-9 would be at 7-abreast in "Class J" and 8-abreast in Economy so you'd be losing 12 J and 32 Y (actually probably more like 56Y since the A350-900's cabin is three rows longer than the 787-9's).
 
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Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:23 am

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It’s probably for crew familiarisation first and later on be sent for international routes.


Clearly this is a domestic configuration, with recliner F seats. I can't imagine JL would use it for intl routes other than ultra short-haul routes to Korea or China. Plus theirs are de-rated A350-942 which doesn't have the range for international routes.
 
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Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:46 am

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It’s probably for crew familiarisation first and later on be sent for international routes.

It will depend on the Japanese government slot allocation between NH/JL to HND. 2020 will be a big year for Japan with the Olympics in TYO. Yes, to start, domestic to train crew. BA is doing the same thing with the A350 between LHR and MAD. I anticipate some new long haul routes once the slots are allocated for HND. Will be interesting to see what new destinations will be added to HND for long haul in 2020!
 
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Fri Apr 05, 2019 7:53 am

Stitch wrote:
seabosdca wrote:
Not that I ever will, but I'd be interested to see the analysis that put these frames on domestic rather than a few 787-9s.


I am guessing raw capacity. The 787-9 would be at 7-abreast in "Class J" and 8-abreast in Economy so you'd be losing 12 J and 32 Y (actually probably more like 56Y since the A350-900's cabin is three rows longer than the 787-9's).


JAL will almost certain putting 9 abreast in Economy in 789 if they ever gonna use it for domestic operation.

Japanese carriers won’t squeeze seats like Air Asia does but no reason for them not to put 9 abreast in domestic 789.

They have 10 abreast in Economy for domestic 777.
 
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Fri Apr 05, 2019 8:08 am

a19901213 wrote:
Stitch wrote:
seabosdca wrote:
Not that I ever will, but I'd be interested to see the analysis that put these frames on domestic rather than a few 787-9s.


I am guessing raw capacity. The 787-9 would be at 7-abreast in "Class J" and 8-abreast in Economy so you'd be losing 12 J and 32 Y (actually probably more like 56Y since the A350-900's cabin is three rows longer than the 787-9's).


JAL will almost certain putting 9 abreast in Economy in 789 if they ever gonna use it for domestic operation.

Japanese carriers won’t squeeze seats like Air Asia does but no reason for them not to put 9 abreast in domestic 789.

They have 10 abreast in Economy for domestic 777.

They have been flying 8 abreast 787-8 on many domestic/regional routes.
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Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:01 am

leyland1989 wrote:
a19901213 wrote:
Stitch wrote:

I am guessing raw capacity. The 787-9 would be at 7-abreast in "Class J" and 8-abreast in Economy so you'd be losing 12 J and 32 Y (actually probably more like 56Y since the A350-900's cabin is three rows longer than the 787-9's).


JAL will almost certain putting 9 abreast in Economy in 789 if they ever gonna use it for domestic operation.

Japanese carriers won’t squeeze seats like Air Asia does but no reason for them not to put 9 abreast in domestic 789.

They have 10 abreast in Economy for domestic 777.

They have been flying 8 abreast 787-8 on many domestic/regional routes.


Domestically configurated 788 won’t start flying until Oct this year.

JAL’s international 788 are hardly seen in domestic routes other than those domestic - international transit flight from regional airports to NRT or vice versa.
 
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Fri Apr 05, 2019 12:19 pm

moyangmm wrote:
masA380 wrote:
It’s probably for crew familiarisation first and later on be sent for international routes.


Clearly this is a domestic configuration, with recliner F seats. I can't imagine JL would use it for intl routes other than ultra short-haul routes to Korea or China. Plus theirs are de-rated A350-942 which doesn't have the range for international routes.

What’s the point of having dual source wibebody from both manufacturers if the A350 can’t fly intl routes? They might as well stick with 787 and abuse them domestically. I suppose not all are derated.
 
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Fri Apr 05, 2019 2:46 pm

masA380 wrote:
moyangmm wrote:
masA380 wrote:
It’s probably for crew familiarisation first and later on be sent for international routes.


Clearly this is a domestic configuration, with recliner F seats. I can't imagine JL would use it for intl routes other than ultra short-haul routes to Korea or China. Plus theirs are de-rated A350-942 which doesn't have the range for international routes.

What’s the point of having dual source wibebody from both manufacturers if the A350 can’t fly intl routes? They might as well stick with 787 and abuse them domestically. I suppose not all are derated.


I think their original plan is to use de-rated 359 domestically, as an 772 replacement, and to use 35k to fly long-haul intl, as an 77w replacement. I am not sure if the plan has changed.
 
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Fri Apr 05, 2019 3:10 pm

masA380 wrote:
moyangmm wrote:
masA380 wrote:
It’s probably for crew familiarisation first and later on be sent for international routes.


Clearly this is a domestic configuration, with recliner F seats. I can't imagine JL would use it for intl routes other than ultra short-haul routes to Korea or China. Plus theirs are de-rated A350-942 which doesn't have the range for international routes.

What’s the point of having dual source wibebody from both manufacturers if the A350 can’t fly intl routes? They might as well stick with 787 and abuse them domestically. I suppose not all are derated.


They have 13 A350-1000 on order and 25 options for international routes.
 
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Fri Apr 05, 2019 6:28 pm

masA380 wrote:
What’s the point of having dual source wibebody from both manufacturers if the A350 can’t fly intl routes? They might as well stick with 787 and abuse them domestically. I suppose not all are derated.


JAL's Chairman explicitly said they wanted to dual-source their widebodies from both OEMs to protect them from a fleet-wide grounding as they experienced with the 787.
 
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Sat Apr 06, 2019 10:47 pm

Such a pity that they are not adopting a 1-1-1-1 full flat seating for their domestic first class!! I would have definitely used them if they had do so.
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Sat Apr 06, 2019 11:02 pm

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Such a pity that they are not adopting a 1-1-1-1 full flat seating for their domestic first class!! I would have definitely used them if they had do so.


Seems rather wasteful considering the stage lengths involved. I mean one of the longest flights (Sapporo to Fukuoka) is only 1400km and 2.5 hours blocked time. This is equivalent to San Francisco and Seattle or Chicago and Atlanta. Frankly, JAL's domestic premium product looks nicer than what ANA offers.
 
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Such a pity that they are not adopting a 1-1-1-1 full flat seating for their domestic first class!! I would have definitely used them if they had do so.

No one does that ever in Japan domestic market unless it's an international configed aircraft flying one flight a day (NRT-ITM on NH). Just like USA Domestic market.

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It’s probably for crew familiarisation first and later on be sent for international routes.


Not with that configuration.
 
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moyangmm wrote:
Clearly this is a domestic configuration, with recliner F seats. I can't imagine JL would use it for intl routes other than ultra short-haul routes to Korea or China. Plus theirs are de-rated A350-942 which doesn't have the range for international routes.


Umm...South Korea and Taiwan and PRC routes are still international (BTW HND-GMP is shorter than HND-OKA).

But yes, otherwise you probably won't see JL operating the initial batch of A350s internationally, other than maybe a few charters during 2020 Olympics.

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I am somewhat surprised they run First on such short routes.


Not really. They run domestic first on all their HND-ITM flights, plus 90% of their HND-CTS/FUK flights.

SFODude wrote:
It will depend on the Japanese government slot allocation between NH/JL to HND. 2020 will be a big year for Japan with the Olympics in TYO. Yes, to start, domestic to train crew. BA is doing the same thing with the A350 between LHR and MAD. I anticipate some new long haul routes once the slots are allocated for HND. Will be interesting to see what new destinations will be added to HND for long haul in 2020!


The A350 (at least the initial batch) are there to replaced some old 763 (non-ER)/772 (non-ER)/773 (non-ER).

Seriously, what's with all the "crew familiarization" BS? JL has for the longest time operate essentially two separate fleet config - one for domestic and one for international. Other than a few flights out of NRT (to FUK or ITM mostly) that's on international metal, it's all denser config on domestic routes. Hack, even their international 738s (all 9 of them) are much less dense than the 41 domestic 738s (No 2-2 business, but does has 2-3 "Class J" product that is more similar to a premium economy).
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Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:29 am

This will make for some great spotting at HND! Smart move by JL. Sounds like the derated 359 is a perfect 772 replacement.
 
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777PHX wrote:
masA380 wrote:
It’s probably for crew familiarisation first and later on be sent for international routes.


Not with that configuration.

I’m talking about the A350 in general including the future A35J, not specifically the derated version.
 
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Will these A350's spend their entire JAL careers in domestic service or will they see long haul after a few years ?
 
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Will these A350's spend their entire JAL careers in domestic service or will they see long haul after a few years ?


While there is speculation that the -942 specification involves structural changes to optimize the frames for high-cycle usage, JAL will likely be able to raise their Operating Weights and engine thrust so they should be adaptable to international service down the road if JAL feels it is prudent.

However, that decision will be years in the future, if ever.
 
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Sun Apr 07, 2019 7:17 pm

Didn't JAL and ANA do that with their B747Ds... fly them on domestic short hops for years and then flew them on longer flights for the last years to slow the cycle count down a bit?

Lucky passengers on domestic flights in Japan, the A359 is a stunning aircraft.
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CRJ900 wrote:
Didn't JAL and ANA do that with their B747Ds... fly them on domestic short hops for years and then flew them on longer flights for the last years to slow the cycle count down a bit?


ANA did operate their 747-400Ds on international routes from time to time (part of the process involved the re-installation of the wingtip devices).
 
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Mon Apr 29, 2019 10:45 pm

That red winglet is just outstanding. That's the best-looking A350 to date.
 
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TheEuphorian wrote:
This might be the first PTV-less A359 in existance


JAL A350-900s will have PTVs in all classes.
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Cointrin330 wrote:
Why not use a 787-10 or A330-NEO then? This seems like an expensive plane to fly on a short domestic route (with the understanding that intra-Japan flights between big airports are flown with wide bodies for decades).

JAL flew 747's in the hi capacity config having up to 500+ seats in them. If they're putting the A359 on a domestic route with Hi capacity like the 747-SR'S They have probably done their homework on what that airplane CAN do for wht they want it TO do. I've flown their International 747's and had plenty of leg room But their Domestic 747's? Not so much. but at most you're on them just under 2 hours. So? I think they Know how to sue that airplanes. and It makes perfect sense to them..
 
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zakuivcustom wrote:
moyangmm wrote:
Clearly this is a domestic configuration, with recliner F seats. I can't imagine JL would use it for intl routes other than ultra short-haul routes to Korea or China. Plus theirs are de-rated A350-942 which doesn't have the range for international routes.


Umm...South Korea and Taiwan and PRC routes are still international (BTW HND-GMP is shorter than HND-OKA).

But yes, otherwise you probably won't see JL operating the initial batch of A350s internationally, other than maybe a few charters during 2020 Olympics.



Although rare, JAL has subbed in domestic 772s on HND-GMP a few times recently (JA8978 on 3/25 and JA8977 on 4/16) so I guess it's possible that we could see a JAL A350 appear on HND-GMP as a sub.
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janders wrote:


That's a very beautiful bird. The red winglet do indeed makes the aircraft a lot nicer.

Stitch wrote:
ANA did operate their 747-400Ds on international routes from time to time (part of the process involved the re-installation of the wingtip devices).


IIRC it was due to a shortage of international widebodies that make ANA converting their 747-400D into "regular" 747-400. In addition to reinstalling the wingtip device, they also plug/unplug a few windows on the upper deck IIRC.

hoons90 wrote:
Although rare, JAL has subbed in domestic 772s on HND-GMP a few times recently (JA8978 on 3/25 and JA8977 on 4/16) so I guess it's possible that we could see a JAL A350 appear on HND-GMP as a sub.


I won't be surprise either, although not in short term (JL simply doesn't have enough A359s to use as subs...). If there are any routes that a domestic products can be "good enough", it would be HND-GMP (Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that route mostly South Korean origin leisure traffic?)
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The red winglet and fade looks great, much better than airlines that just paint it with a straight line cut off.
 
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zakuivcustom wrote:
janders wrote:


That's a very beautiful bird. The red winglet do indeed makes the aircraft a lot nicer.

Stitch wrote:
ANA did operate their 747-400Ds on international routes from time to time (part of the process involved the re-installation of the wingtip devices).


IIRC it was due to a shortage of international widebodies that make ANA converting their 747-400D into "regular" 747-400. In addition to reinstalling the wingtip device, they also plug/unplug a few windows on the upper deck IIRC.

hoons90 wrote:
Although rare, JAL has subbed in domestic 772s on HND-GMP a few times recently (JA8978 on 3/25 and JA8977 on 4/16) so I guess it's possible that we could see a JAL A350 appear on HND-GMP as a sub.


I won't be surprise either, although not in short term (JL simply doesn't have enough A359s to use as subs...). If there are any routes that a domestic products can be "good enough", it would be HND-GMP (Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that route mostly South Korean origin leisure traffic?)



Japanese carriers don’t normally sub in domestic fleets unless there’s a technical issue to the planned aircraft and they couldn’t find spares.

It’s also worth mentioning that Japanese carriers tend to use over spec aircraft in their domestic network.

Few years ago ANA purchased few brand new 772ER for their domestic network.

Reputation in Japanese community is highly important and Japanese carrier put it in their consideration when deciding their future fleet. 359 will serve better PR purpose than buying “updated” version of 330.
 
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Japanese carriers don’t normally sub in domestic fleets unless there’s a technical issue to the planned aircraft and they couldn’t find spares.

That also carries with a strict route limitations, at least for ANA (sorry to be a bit OT); only HND-GMP/SHA can be subbed by domestic birds and in that case neither C class nor hot meals are available. Pax will be handed a cold plate onboard.

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Japanese carriers don’t normally sub in domestic fleets unless there’s a technical issue to the planned aircraft and they couldn’t find spares.

It’s also worth mentioning that Japanese carriers tend to use over spec aircraft in their domestic network.

Few years ago ANA purchased few brand new 772ER for their domestic network.

Reputation in Japanese community is highly important and Japanese carrier put it in their consideration when deciding their future fleet. 359 will serve better PR purpose than buying “updated” version of 330.


To be more accurate - there's one exception to that "domestic vs. international" fleet - that's NH 73G's, which were brought specifically so that it can be used for both domestic and international flights. It was just too small of a plane, though, and most of the 73G's were transferred to Air Do instead (NH only has 7 left - mostly base out of NGO. The hard product of that plane is just not great, though, and make ANA look bad...especially now that they fly the 73G from HKG to both KIX and NGO).

But yes, domestic birds on international flights is definitely a very rare occasion. HND-GMP I would say is probably about the only route where JL/NH can "get away" with putting a domestic birds on it.

As for "overspec" - what else can the like of JL/NH really do anyway? Neither A nor B makes any "short haul, high capacity" planes anymore since it's such a niche market that only maybe 10 carriers in the world can make use of (JL/NH, CX, SQ, CN3, KE/OZ, and maybe TG...pretty much any carrier that brought 772A/773A).

Otherwise - I would argue that in addition to "reputation" and PR, there's just zero reason why JL should even bother with A330neo to begin with. They got B788/789 to cover planes of that size, and A350 is just a lot more versatile, in a sense that if JL choose so, they can eventually operate those on long-haul routes (Which they'll do with A35K AFAIK). Oh, and no commonality with A330ceo, either, since JL doesn't operate any.
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zakuivcustom wrote:
a19901213 wrote:
Japanese carriers don’t normally sub in domestic fleets unless there’s a technical issue to the planned aircraft and they couldn’t find spares.

It’s also worth mentioning that Japanese carriers tend to use over spec aircraft in their domestic network.

Few years ago ANA purchased few brand new 772ER for their domestic network.

Reputation in Japanese community is highly important and Japanese carrier put it in their consideration when deciding their future fleet. 359 will serve better PR purpose than buying “updated” version of 330.


To be more accurate - there's one exception to that "domestic vs. international" fleet - that's NH 73G's, which were brought specifically so that it can be used for both domestic and international flights. It was just too small of a plane, though, and most of the 73G's were transferred to Air Do instead (NH only has 7 left - mostly base out of NGO. The hard product of that plane is just not great, though, and make ANA look bad...especially now that they fly the 73G from HKG to both KIX and NGO).

But yes, domestic birds on international flights is definitely a very rare occasion. HND-GMP I would say is probably about the only route where JL/NH can "get away" with putting a domestic birds on it.

As for "overspec" - what else can the like of JL/NH really do anyway? Neither A nor B makes any "short haul, high capacity" planes anymore since it's such a niche market that only maybe 10 carriers in the world can make use of (JL/NH, CX, SQ, CN3, KE/OZ, and maybe TG...pretty much any carrier that brought 772A/773A).

Otherwise - I would argue that in addition to "reputation" and PR, there's just zero reason why JL should even bother with A330neo to begin with. They got B788/789 to cover planes of that size, and A350 is just a lot more versatile, in a sense that if JL choose so, they can eventually operate those on long-haul routes (Which they'll do with A35K AFAIK). Oh, and no commonality with A330ceo, either, since JL doesn't operate any.



First of all for the over spec part, I’m merely pointing out the fact that they have been using some over spec planes like 744, 773,772ER in their domestic operation which other countries rarely do. It wasn’t an argument nor did I say they should buy something else.

As for the PR part, of course it can’t be the only reason why they choose 359 over 338/9 but again just pointing out that PR and public image are extremely important in Japan and both carriers definitely have considered about these factors when deciding. (Again perhaps just tiny little part. I work and live along with Japanese for long long time and it would be fool to think they didn’t think of it)

It’s like house market in Japan, people are obsessed with buying brand new apartment over second hand units (shinchiku bunjo mansion).

Not arguing anything here, just pointing out the fact.
 
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Is 369 total seats the highest count seats in a A359? Just curious....
 
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Dave05 wrote:
Is 369 total seats the highest count seats in a A359? Just curious....


The recently-delivered Evelop A350-900 can carry up to 432 passengers with ist single-class config (!) (10ab economy)

Air Caraibes' A350-900 is also denser, with 389 seats (3 class, 10ab economy)

French Bee also has quite-high-density A350-900s (411 seats)
 
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If there are any routes that a domestic products can be "good enough", it would be HND-GMP (Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that route mostly South Korean origin leisure traffic?)


HND-GMP route mostly caters business customers from both ends.
When JAL used its domestic plane for this route they compensated cash for business class customers.
 
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This is one of the nicest looking livery of A350!
 
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

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ITSTours wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
If there are any routes that a domestic products can be "good enough", it would be HND-GMP (Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that route mostly South Korean origin leisure traffic?)


HND-GMP route mostly caters business customers from both ends.
When JAL used its domestic plane for this route they compensated cash for business class customers.


Thanks for the info. Although in hindsight, I guess with the gajillion ICN-NRT/KIX LCC flights, those can easily carry pretty much all the leisure travelers.
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Re: JAL announces first A350 route

Thu May 02, 2019 5:21 am

AirwayBill wrote:
Dave05 wrote:
Is 369 total seats the highest count seats in a A359? Just curious....


The recently-delivered Evelop A350-900 can carry up to 432 passengers with ist single-class config (!) (10ab economy)

Air Caraibes' A350-900 is also denser, with 389 seats (3 class, 10ab economy)

French Bee also has quite-high-density A350-900s (411 seats)


Evelop Air a359 is configured for single class 432 passengeres, this must makes the a359 a 10 hour aircraft then.....

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