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Morgenstern1234
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Thai airways Europe network

Sat Jun 15, 2019 4:01 am

How is Thai Airways doing on the low yield Europe market against the ME3? and anymore room for expansion in Europe for TG like Madrid, Manchester or least increasing frequencies on routes like Bangkok-Moscow from 4 weekly to daily?
 
SQ317
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:54 am

MAN-BKK is a big market that's been rumoured for a long time. I wouldn't be surprised to see them add it to their network with an A350.
 
21pilots
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:14 am

It's time for a comeback into AMS now CI is gone.
 
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:34 am

21pilots wrote:
It's time for a comeback into AMS now CI is gone.


CI isn't gone it just doesn't fly to BKK anymore.
Although it would be nice to see Thai at AMS I just don't see it happening.
There is EVA and KLM nonstop and then there is the ME3.
 
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:01 am

Does anyone know how the daily BKK-OSL route does year around ? They use the 77W in summer and 77E in other seasons. Seems a lot of seats in off season.
 
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:32 am

hooverman wrote:
21pilots wrote:
It's time for a comeback into AMS now CI is gone.


CI isn't gone it just doesn't fly to BKK anymore.
Although it would be nice to see Thai at AMS I just don't see it happening.
There is EVA and KLM nonstop and then there is the ME3.


If they don't fly to BKK anymore they yes, they are gone from the market.
 
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:15 am

sabby wrote:
Does anyone know how the daily BKK-OSL route does year around ? They use the 77W in summer and 77E in other seasons. Seems a lot of seats in off season.


Peak season for Thai tourism is November-April. So yes the 77W over summer is a lot of seats.
 
TheEuphorian
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:38 am

The best way to fix TG's EU network is to only retain the A380 on LHR and change all others to 789/A359 or even the A35K, if they manage to get some.
 
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sat Jun 15, 2019 9:58 am

About one year ago I read an interview with the then Thai CEO (I think that changed since then) that MAD, HAM and MAN are on their list in Europe. Would be great A350 routes.
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sat Jun 15, 2019 1:20 pm

sabby wrote:
Does anyone know how the daily BKK-OSL route does year around ? They use the 77W in summer and 77E in other seasons. Seems a lot of seats in off season.


The 3 Scandinavian destinations is performing pretty well for TG. That's also why they provide extra flights for CPH and ARN
Also there have been rumours about and upgrade on Cph and 77W on OSL year around.
 
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sat Jun 15, 2019 3:07 pm

I flew out of BRU end-March with Thai on an A350. For me, it was great, I had a 3-seat spread for myself, not so good for Thai! The plane was at best, 33% occupied (in sardine class). I ate well, drank well, and slept well! We left BRU 1 hour late, and my onward connection to MNL was then down to 50 minutes - both my luggage and I made it!

One month later end-April, I flew back with my son, the plane was 100% full, and we had to sit in a 3-seat with all seats occupied, so our sleeping was kind of horrible!

Late-May, my son flew back and he had his 3-seater bed in an aircraft that was 30% occupied.

I used all the recommended "book on Tuesdays and fly mid week" - it worked on 2 out of 3!

I have no ready explanation for why some of these BRU-BKK flights are 33% or 100%. If someone can enlighten me, then I might get the 3-seat bed more predictably!
 
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:56 pm

sabby wrote:
Does anyone know how the daily BKK-OSL route does year around ? They use the 77W in summer and 77E in other seasons. Seems a lot of seats in off season.


It is 77W more or less all the time now
 
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:02 am

DLHAM wrote:
About one year ago I read an interview with the then Thai CEO (I think that changed since then) that MAD, HAM and MAN are on their list in Europe. Would be great A350 routes.

Interestingly enough they still have their BKK office open in MAD and it is quite big too.
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:18 am

The latest investor meeting from Thai stated that Sendai and Manchester will be launched next (I do have an image of the slide that shows this but don't know how to imbed the image here) . Sendai has just been announced, so........
 
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:58 am

User001 wrote:
The latest investor meeting from Thai stated that Sendai and Manchester will be launched next (I do have an image of the slide that shows this but don't know how to imbed the image here) . Sendai has just been announced, so........


Here you go - I’ve shamelessly lifted David_itl’s post from a few weeks ago on the MAN thread - hope it pulls through here...

David_itl wrote:
We need a better word than rumours now for Thai! This is a lot more significant as looks like this is our year. Located in the Analyst Briefing report complied by Thai when they announced their quarterly results for 2019 http://thai.listedcompany.com/misc/PRESN/20190517-thai-analystBriefing1q2019.pdf

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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:09 am

Cheers Dobbo
 
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:18 am

DobboDobbo wrote:
User001 wrote:
The latest investor meeting from Thai stated that Sendai and Manchester will be launched next (I do have an image of the slide that shows this but don't know how to imbed the image here) . Sendai has just been announced, so........


Here you go - I’ve shamelessly lifted David_itl’s post from a few weeks ago on the MAN thread - hope it pulls through here...

David_itl wrote:
We need a better word than rumours now for Thai! This is a lot more significant as looks like this is our year. Located in the Analyst Briefing report complied by Thai when they announced their quarterly results for 2019 http://thai.listedcompany.com/misc/PRESN/20190517-thai-analystBriefing1q2019.pdf

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They'll get a lot less for the 345s / 346s now than a few years ago when they declined offers.

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or even the A35K, if they manage to get some.


Why not, they get a few of almost ever other sub-type ;)
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:50 am

Thai used to fly to MAD, a 747-400 with a stop in Rome, but they couldn't survive the arrival of the ME3s.
Not only did Qatar, Emirates and Etihad take most of their BKK passengers away, but also those passengers who connected onwards from BKK to SYD and MEL.
MAD-BKK is an extremely seasonal route, with little premium demand.
 
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:34 am

jmmadrid wrote:
Thai used to fly to MAD, a 747-400 with a stop in Rome, but they couldn't survive the arrival of the ME3s.
Not only did Qatar, Emirates and Etihad take most of their BKK passengers away, but also those passengers who connected onwards from BKK to SYD and MEL.
MAD-BKK is an extremely seasonal route, with little premium demand.


I flew in 2013 from Mad with no stpos las in in very decent 772.

Everything was perfect .
 
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:22 am

Doesn't TG serve FRA with their A380s year round and 1xA380 and 1xB77W on off season and 2xA380 on peak season? (correct me if I'm wrong please). Also, TG could potentially get feed from LH group. If I'm not mistaken, TG's yields are pretty low and it doesn't help that the ME3 entered the BKK market aggressively, if I'm not mistaken QR flies DOH-BKK 7x daily.
 
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:45 am

Does Thai still use the A380 to LHR on all days of the week?

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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:50 am

A388 wrote:
Does Thai still use the A380 to LHR on all days of the week?

A388


Only 1 of the daily flights
The other is a 77W

LHR is not a golden cow for Thai but the keep the 380 there for first class sale
 
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:56 am

A388 wrote:
Does Thai still use the A380 to LHR on all days of the week?

A388


Yes. TG have two dailies to LHR from BKK. TG910 & TG911 are operated by the A380. The second daily service is operated by the 77W.
 
Morgenstern1234
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Re: Thai airways Europe network

Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:29 am

Shouldn’t Thai airways at least try and get Brussels Moscow Rome Milan Vienna up to daily before think of any new destinations, especially Moscow as that flight can be done in a 24 hour period

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