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United 757-200 hard landing at EWR

Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:45 pm

EWR airport twitter account just tweeted that there will be no take offs or landings due to an airport emergency. Anyone know what’s going on?
Last edited by atcsundevil on Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:33 am, edited 1 time in total.
Reason: Title edited for clarity
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:52 pm

Have no idea, but just noticed a bunch of widebodies from europe holding overhead, UAL 169 from VCE is landing in ALB right now...
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:55 pm

FR24 showing UA627 from DEN (757-200) parked on the runway.

Other diverts include Austrian to SWF
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:55 pm

From twitter is appears a plane either blew it's tires or had a front landing gear collapse? Sounds like they might be evacuating using stairs. People are saying it's a UA 757.
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:56 pm

A UA B752 had a tire blowout on the runway and can’t move.
https://twitter.com/airlineflyer/status ... 77792?s=21

Looks like it’s UA627 DEN-EWR.
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 5:57 pm

Let's go Hoyas!
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:01 pm

Looks like they smashed the nose onto the runway, quite a bit of fuselage damage.
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:03 pm

That damage to the front looks pretty bad. Maybe difficult to tow
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:03 pm

 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:04 pm

Ouch. That’s looking like a lengthy repair.
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:06 pm

That will leave a nasty mark! The question is if that’s repairable. Did the main gear blow out to cause the nose gear to smash onto the runway? I see single runway operations when EWR reopens.
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:11 pm

Is that a 757-300?
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:23 pm

Notams say airport closed until 17:59 at the moment
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:24 pm

Ionosphere wrote:
Is that a 757-300?


757-200.
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:26 pm

LN 0123 makes it N26123 built 1997.

Hopefully she’ll be repaired, but I wouldn’t put money on it.

Especially if the pressure shell is damaged.
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:26 pm

Hate to see that kind of damage on a 757 because it probably means scrapping for such an old frame. Hate to see my favorite planes disappear.
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:28 pm

I'm guessing this is why UA180 HKG-EWR is diverting to BOS? According to FR24.
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:33 pm

Some of the mid afternoon Europe flight diverted to Stewart
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:37 pm

Could hydraulic failure have anything to do with it? Seems to be a common problem with the 757 and 767 series.
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:43 pm

Anyone who has flown a 757 will tell you it is difficult to touchdown on the nosewheel if you’re are within 10kts of your approach speed. Proper approach speeds give the plane about a 5 degree nose up when you are on speed. It is a very easy plane to land..not 747 easy but real close.. it will be interesting to hear the story...
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:45 pm

I call it, write-off !

I wonder what happened.

Also, the title of the thread needs updating. That's a (minor) accident.
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:52 pm

There are two threads now. From twitter : "I'm told it bounded twice on landing and a tire may have burst but the pilots wrestled it to a safe stop."

Also, the left main gear is in the grass, I'm guessing that nose wheel couldn't steer it.
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:55 pm

Delays at EWR? You don’t say...
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 6:56 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
Could hydraulic failure have anything to do with it? Seems to be a common problem with the 757 and 767 series.



Well as I fly the 757/767 and our airline has about 200 of them, I never heard of any”common problem” with hydraulics. Maybe with a 2nd rate airline with poor maintenance. Heck, I never had any hydraulic issues in the 15 years I was on the plane. Hope that did not jinx me...

No hydraulic failure or blown tire combination would cause the nose to slam down.

If the pilot was hard on the brakes or set a high setting on the auto brakes and they were applied with the nose high in the air can cause a heavy nose wheel touchdown, but you would be a poor pilot to let that happen as the 757 has a powerful elevator.and you can compensate the nose down action caused by braking with the nose in the air. It’s a balance .

Delta had one of these on a 757 in FLL when a management pilot (usually the least proficient and lowest time pilots). forced the plane on the ground as he was 20kts fast. They wrinkled the fuselage and the nose wheel looked like the one on the United 757.

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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:04 pm

Reuters is reporting that it "skidded" off the runway, which doesn't tell us much about what happened here. I'm not sure how that explains what the forward section looks like.
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:08 pm

Well, sitting at EWR Polaris lounge and waiting to see if I make my flight. It could be worse :)
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:09 pm

TK787 wrote:
Well, sitting at EWR Polaris lounge and waiting to see if I make my flight. It could be worse :)

Drink up !
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:10 pm

reltney wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
Could hydraulic failure have anything to do with it? Seems to be a common problem with the 757 and 767 series.



Well as I fly the 757/767 and our airline has about 200 of them, I never heard of any”common problem” with hydraulics. Maybe with a 2nd rate airline with poor maintenance. Heck, I never had any hydraulic issues in the 15 years I was on the plane. Hope that did not jinx me...

No hydraulic failure or blown tire combination would cause the nose to slam down.

If the pilot was hard on the brakes or set a high setting on the auto brakes and they were applied with the nose high in the air can cause a heavy nose wheel touchdown, but you would be a poor pilot to let that happen as the 757 has a powerful elevator.and you can compensate the nose down action caused by braking with the nose in the air. It’s a balance .

Delta had one of these on a 757 in FLL when a management pilot (usually the least proficient and lowest time pilots). forced the plane on the ground as he was 20kts fast. They wrinkled the fuselage and the nose wheel looked like the one on the United 757.

Cheers


Thanks. I just want to make sure the media numbnuts don't try to draw connections to the Air Jamaica writeoff in November.
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:11 pm

Does anyone know why 22R was closed as well?
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:13 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
reltney wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
Could hydraulic failure have anything to do with it? Seems to be a common problem with the 757 and 767 series.



Well as I fly the 757/767 and our airline has about 200 of them, I never heard of any”common problem” with hydraulics. Maybe with a 2nd rate airline with poor maintenance. Heck, I never had any hydraulic issues in the 15 years I was on the plane. Hope that did not jinx me...

No hydraulic failure or blown tire combination would cause the nose to slam down.

If the pilot was hard on the brakes or set a high setting on the auto brakes and they were applied with the nose high in the air can cause a heavy nose wheel touchdown, but you would be a poor pilot to let that happen as the 757 has a powerful elevator.and you can compensate the nose down action caused by braking with the nose in the air. It’s a balance .

Delta had one of these on a 757 in FLL when a management pilot (usually the least proficient and lowest time pilots). forced the plane on the ground as he was 20kts fast. They wrinkled the fuselage and the nose wheel looked like the one on the United 757.

Cheers


Thanks. I just want to make sure the media numbnuts don't try to draw connections to the Air Jamaica writeoff in November.




Great point! You had a great question btw. Of course until the investigation is accomplished, we are like mushrooms and fed dirt..

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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:14 pm

Karlsands wrote:
TK787 wrote:
Well, sitting at EWR Polaris lounge and waiting to see if I make my flight. It could be worse :)

Drink up !


Please be responsible


CO764 wrote:
Does anyone know why 22R was closed as well?


Could be with the fire and rescue being deployed already they could not meet their required response times if something else happens.
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:17 pm

CO764 wrote:
Does anyone know why 22R was closed as well?


Crash fire rescue most likely. They could not properly respond to another incident if they are all deployed on this one.
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:18 pm

Planes are landing now at EWR.
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:24 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
CO764 wrote:
Does anyone know why 22R was closed as well?


Crash fire rescue most likely. They could not properly respond to another incident if they are all deployed on this one.


Additionally, it's more safe to deplane passengers off the disabled aircraft runway when the active runway doesn't have any traffic on it either.
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:29 pm

I see planes landing and also planes leaving gates and taxi, fingers crossed
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:36 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
Could hydraulic failure have anything to do with it? Seems to be a common problem with the 757 and 767 series.



Care to add some more facts to that assertion?
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:37 pm

I can't imagine that none of the cockpit or the forward seated flight attendant weren't injured in some way. That's some wicked nose damage
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:42 pm

bennett123 wrote:
LN 0123 makes it N26123 built 1997.

Hopefully she’ll be repaired, but I wouldn’t put money on it.

Especially if the pressure shell is damaged.


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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:49 pm

BravoOne wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
Could hydraulic failure have anything to do with it? Seems to be a common problem with the 757 and 767 series.



Care to add some more facts to that assertion?


Since when does one need to post facts on A.net anymore?

You’ve flown the 757, haven’t you B1? I’ve heard you have to pay extra attention to de-rotate it slowly and prevent the nose wheel from hitting hard. Basically, I heard you have to land a 757 twice. Is that correct?
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:55 pm

I see couple of UA 767s and a 787 pushing back. Still fingers crossed.
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 7:59 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
Could hydraulic failure have anything to do with it? Seems to be a common problem with the 757 and 767 series.



Care to add some more facts to that assertion?


Since when does one need to post facts on A.net anymore?

You’ve flown the 757, haven’t you B1? I’ve heard you have to pay extra attention to de-rotate it slowly and prevent the nose wheel from hitting hard. Basically, I heard you have to land a 757 twice. Is that correct?


You can definitely slam the nose of the 757 if you hit the brakes to hard or aren’t ready for the autobrakes it was hard for me to not hit the nose hard with brakes 3+
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:01 pm

Can't confirm it, but a UA pilot posted elsewhere, it was a new hire FO on his IOE. If so, thats not good for him/her.
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:02 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Ouch. That’s looking like a lengthy repair.


It'll buff right out.
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:05 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
Could hydraulic failure have anything to do with it? Seems to be a common problem with the 757 and 767 series.



Care to add some more facts to that assertion?


Since when does one need to post facts on A.net anymore?

You’ve flown the 757, haven’t you B1? I’ve heard you have to pay extra attention to de-rotate it slowly and prevent the nose wheel from hitting hard. Basically, I heard you have to land a 757 twice. Is that correct?


The 757 and 767 land just like all airplanes that I have flown. I have not flown the -300, so there maybe some unique stick and rudder skills required??? There was an article many years ago in the Boeing Airliner that talked to the derotation issue that can effect all airliners. I'll try to find it. Not sure what happened here as pictures I have seen make it appear as the MLG tires were flat?
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:08 pm

BravoOne wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
BravoOne wrote:


Care to add some more facts to that assertion?


Since when does one need to post facts on A.net anymore?

You’ve flown the 757, haven’t you B1? I’ve heard you have to pay extra attention to de-rotate it slowly and prevent the nose wheel from hitting hard. Basically, I heard you have to land a 757 twice. Is that correct?


The 757 and 767 land just like all airplanes that I have flown. I have not flown the -300, so there maybe some unique stick and rudder skills required??? There was an article many years ago in the Boeing Airliner that talked to the derotation issue that can effect all airliners. I'll try to find it. Not sure what happened here as pictures I have seen make it appear as the MLG tires were flat?


Found it:

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeroma ... ero_18.pdf
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:08 pm

bennett123 wrote:
LN 0123 makes it N26123 built 1997.

Hopefully she’ll be repaired, but I wouldn’t put money on it.

Especially if the pressure shell is damaged.


The BA 77E that had fire damage in LAS got fixed. I'm pretty sure there were issues with its pressure shell. With all the shortage of planes caused by the 737 Max groundings, UA will probably want to return this 757 to service.
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:21 pm

On a more positive note, if they do decide to repair this bird, it'll obviously need some skin repair which will then require painting. Could this be the first UA 757 in the new livery?!
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:25 pm

Write off definitely, plus the A321LR are coming soon :stirthepot:
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:26 pm

With this kind of damage on the nose gear, is possible to tow the plane? If not, what other ways of moving it could be used?
 
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Re: What’s the emergency at EWR?

Sat Jun 15, 2019 8:32 pm

This will be a big job.

I suspect that they will get an update on the B737MAX as part of the decision process.

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