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passenger hits flight attendant, then pukes during Delta flight from IND to CDG

Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:09 pm

Rough day for the flight attendant and passengers. Why do some people have to become animals when they fly. Is it drugs and alcohol?

The disturbance occurred just after 6 p.m. EDT, according to a federal criminal complaint. About 40 minutes after boarding the flight to Paris' Charles de Gaulle Airport, authorities say Ian Robert James Morin began "yelling and acting erratically."

According to the complaint, the flight crew tried to calm Morin but he continued to shout and refused to comply with their demands.

Morin then allegedly hit a flight attendant in the throat with an open hand. The complaint said he tried to strike the attendant a second time, then threw up on the aircraft.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 464087001/
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:17 pm

Hopefully Mr. Morin will get to spend serious time in the lock-up. I see this guy is only 21, just wondering if a control substance is a factor in his behavior.
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Re: passenger hits flight attendant, then pukes during Delta flight from IND to CDG

Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:17 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
Rough day for the flight attendant and passengers. Why do some people have to become animals when they fly. Is it drugs and alcohol?


More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2019 10:53 pm

Blerg wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Rough day for the flight attendant and passengers. Why do some people have to become animals when they fly. Is it drugs and alcohol?


More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.


Yep, someone posted the performance stats here a few weeks ago and IND is the worst performing DL flight to CDG. I'm guessing they are really having to discount the seats.
 
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Re: passenger hits flight attendant, then pukes during Delta flight from IND to CDG

Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:09 pm

Blerg wrote:
More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.


There have been incidents involving uncouth drunks for decades before unbundled fares. This 21 year old man perhaps is not aware of the fact that high cabin altitudes in flight increase the effects of alcohol. It's a bad idea to be intoxicated on a plane, but getting a head start on drinking at an airport terminal bar or drinking before arriving at the airport can cause people to get drunker than they intended onboard.
 
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Sat Jun 15, 2019 11:41 pm

Blerg wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Rough day for the flight attendant and passengers. Why do some people have to become animals when they fly. Is it drugs and alcohol?


More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.


Yeah it really stinks that more people then ever can visit family and see the world.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:14 am

sw733 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Rough day for the flight attendant and passengers. Why do some people have to become animals when they fly. Is it drugs and alcohol?


More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.


Yeah it really stinks that more people then ever can visit family and see the world.


Well it stinks when said people physically assault the flight crew, throw up all over the plane and ruin ~200 other passengers’ trip because they don’t know how to behave. Flying is a privilege, not a right.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:27 am

It was not alcohol the passenger was under the influence of.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:30 am

Blerg wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Rough day for the flight attendant and passengers. Why do some people have to become animals when they fly. Is it drugs and alcohol?


More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.


Yes, because on bottom barrel fare paying passengers ever act up... :roll:

This young man will face serious consequences. Glad nobody was seriously hurt.
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:30 am

It looks to me like they didn't end up sending that plane to CDG. Why couldn't/didn't they quickly rustle up a crew at DTW to finish the trip?
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:31 am

clrd4t8koff wrote:
sw733 wrote:
Blerg wrote:

More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.


Yeah it really stinks that more people then ever can visit family and see the world.


Well it stinks when said people physically assault the flight crew, throw up all over the plane and ruin ~200 other passengers’ trip because they don’t know how to behave. Flying is a privilege, not a right.

Are we really out here saying people with money have never acted like disgusting animals on flight before?
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:39 am

zuckie13 wrote:
It looks to me like they didn't end up sending that plane to CDG. Why couldn't/didn't they quickly rustle up a crew at DTW to finish the trip?


I don't think DTW is a 767 crew base, Just A330 and narrow bodies.
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Re: passenger hits flight attendant, then pukes during Delta flight from IND to CDG

Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:49 am

Blerg wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Rough day for the flight attendant and passengers. Why do some people have to become animals when they fly. Is it drugs and alcohol?


More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.

I haven't noticed any connection between how much money people have and their behavior.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:58 am

flyingclrs727 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.


There have been incidents involving uncouth drunks for decades before unbundled fares. This 21 year old man perhaps is not aware of the fact that high cabin altitudes in flight increase the effects of alcohol. It's a bad idea to be intoxicated on a plane, but getting a head start on drinking at an airport terminal bar or drinking before arriving at the airport can cause people to get drunker than they intended onboard.


Kudos for the most well thought out response yet. I would bet most people do not know how much the effects of alcohol are increased at elevation, let alone a younger individual who is prone to being hammered before boarding. If indeed this person was that "trashed" should they not have caught that during the boarding process? I believe that is part of the passenger boarding process for gate agents, please correct me if I am wrong.

Which leads me to think that it may have been a combination or narcotics & alcohol, or just another substance all together. I've heard of people taking acid & flying for the "trip" I can honestly say, I never have known a person that has done it, but it was something I was told by a retired, long time F/A I knew 30 years ago, who married a Hollywood producer, she flew through the 70's with TWA.
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:05 am

Austin787 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Rough day for the flight attendant and passengers. Why do some people have to become animals when they fly. Is it drugs and alcohol?


More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.

I haven't noticed any connection between how much money people have and their behavior.


Kristen Chenowith is notorious, as is Lauryn Hill of the Fugees. Often the more money, the more entitled people are. I have friends that fly & both have over a decade in with their carrier, both choose to work the coach cabin vs first class, for exactly the same reason, entitled people whose expectations are grander than the agenda entails. I fully respect their choices.
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:27 am

thekorean wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
sw733 wrote:

Yeah it really stinks that more people then ever can visit family and see the world.


Well it stinks when said people physically assault the flight crew, throw up all over the plane and ruin ~200 other passengers’ trip because they don’t know how to behave. Flying is a privilege, not a right.

Are we really out here saying people with money have never acted like disgusting animals on flight before?


Nobody that I’ve seen thus far has said anything about people with money never acting up and this only being an act of lower socioeconomic travelers.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:36 am

Varsity1 wrote:
zuckie13 wrote:
It looks to me like they didn't end up sending that plane to CDG. Why couldn't/didn't they quickly rustle up a crew at DTW to finish the trip?


I don't think DTW is a 767 crew base, Just A330 and narrow bodies.


I’d be shocked if DTW wasn’t a 767 base. Looking at Sunday’s schedule DL has 76W’s on:

CDG - 2x
FRA
MUC
LHR
FCO

Six flights a day and no base?
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:05 am

The one thing that makes me wonder is that this occurred 40 minutes after boarding. If that's the case and not something lost in translation within the article, why not return to IND, deplane him and the bag, and then continue?
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:25 am

Okay, I bite. Why the overnight? Rounding up a normally 1 hour and 10 minutes flight to 1 hour and 30 minutes, plus two hours on the ground, there has to be a bigger buffer before the crew times out... Genuinely curious about this.
 
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Re: passenger hits flight attendant, then pukes during Delta flight from IND to CDG

Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:25 am

clrd4t8koff wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
zuckie13 wrote:
It looks to me like they didn't end up sending that plane to CDG. Why couldn't/didn't they quickly rustle up a crew at DTW to finish the trip?


I don't think DTW is a 767 crew base, Just A330 and narrow bodies.


I’d be shocked if DTW wasn’t a 767 base. Looking at Sunday’s schedule DL has 76W’s on:

CDG - 2x
FRA
MUC
LHR
FCO

Six flights a day and no base?

Six flights a day is a base these days? That's hardly a footnote in the daily traffic log at DTW.
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:35 am

Blerg wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Rough day for the flight attendant and passengers. Why do some people have to become animals when they fly. Is it drugs and alcohol?


More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.


This is a dumb take. Alcohol abuse and passenger misbehavior was a much bigger problem in the regulation era, when fares were very high and few could afford to fly, than they are today.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:55 am

Blerg wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Rough day for the flight attendant and passengers. Why do some people have to become animals when they fly. Is it drugs and alcohol?


More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.


This is a legitimately shitty take. Plenty of wealthy people behave poorly and plenty of poor people are well mannered. But, enjoy your rarefied air.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:56 am

Looks like the aircraft continued the same night on the regularly scheduled DL 18 to LHR. Weird that it didn’t continue to CDG.
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:02 am

Maturity knows no social construct. I've met people in their early 20's with more self discipline than some people I know in their 50's. Those who overindulge and cause these problems have a lack of discipline and are just plain inconsiderate: Whether they're no restrictions full-fare F, or basic economy Y. If you want to have a drink, have A drink and relax. Maybe even two.... But sitting at the bar in LAX, completely inebriated out of your skull two hours before your flight boards is a clear indicator that you should practice self control and probably wait for the next flight.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:08 am

This guy ended up being unlucky to have departed from CDG when the bar staff wasn’t on strike. :duck:
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:28 am

B747forever wrote:
Looks like the aircraft continued the same night on the regularly scheduled DL 18 to LHR. Weird that it didn’t continue to CDG.


DL 18 was originally delayed due to a mechanical delay, hence swapping aircraft. It didn't help that Mr. Morin made alleged bomb threats to federal air marshalls on board just hours after there was something similar earlier in the evening over at the North Terminal regarding an inert grenade found in someone's baggage.

https://detroit.cbslocal.com/2019/06/14 ... o-airport/
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:55 am

Varsity1 wrote:
zuckie13 wrote:
It looks to me like they didn't end up sending that plane to CDG. Why couldn't/didn't they quickly rustle up a crew at DTW to finish the trip?


I don't think DTW is a 767 crew base, Just A330 and narrow bodies.

DTW absolutely *does* have a 767 base. As well as A350.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:28 am

Pudelhund wrote:
Blerg wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Rough day for the flight attendant and passengers. Why do some people have to become animals when they fly. Is it drugs and alcohol?


More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.


This is a dumb take. Alcohol abuse and passenger misbehavior was a much bigger problem in the regulation era, when fares were very high and few could afford to fly, than they are today.


Do you have any actual source to back that claim up? Somehow I have a hard time believing it.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:34 am

jetblueguy22 wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:

I don't think DTW is a 767 crew base, Just A330 and narrow bodies.


I’d be shocked if DTW wasn’t a 767 base. Looking at Sunday’s schedule DL has 76W’s on:

CDG - 2x
FRA
MUC
LHR
FCO

Six flights a day and no base?

Six flights a day is a base these days? That's hardly a footnote in the daily traffic log at DTW.


So let’s see - a 767 requires minimum 2 pilots plus 8-9 Flight attendants, so 10-11 crew per flight. If they didn’t have a base that’s 60-66 crew per day they’d need to deadhead into DTW to operate the flights.

No need to guess as my speculation has been confirmed. DTW is a 76W base. See below:

Transpac787 wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
zuckie13 wrote:
It looks to me like they didn't end up sending that plane to CDG. Why couldn't/didn't they quickly rustle up a crew at DTW to finish the trip?


I don't think DTW is a 767 crew base, Just A330 and narrow bodies.

DTW absolutely *does* have a 767 base. As well as A350.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:49 am

Blerg wrote:
Pudelhund wrote:
Blerg wrote:

More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.


This is a dumb take. Alcohol abuse and passenger misbehavior was a much bigger problem in the regulation era, when fares were very high and few could afford to fly, than they are today.


Do you have any actual source to back that claim up? Somehow I have a hard time believing it.


You have rose-tinted glasses about what flying used to be like.

https://www.fastcompany.com/3022215/wha ... -of-travel

You can also read the much-recommended book “Hard Landing” for excerpts relating to the experience of air travel in the regulation era.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:05 am

Pudelhund wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Pudelhund wrote:

This is a dumb take. Alcohol abuse and passenger misbehavior was a much bigger problem in the regulation era, when fares were very high and few could afford to fly, than they are today.


Do you have any actual source to back that claim up? Somehow I have a hard time believing it.


You have rose-tinted glasses about what flying used to be like.

https://www.fastcompany.com/3022215/wha ... -of-travel

You can also read the much-recommended book “Hard Landing” for excerpts relating to the experience of air travel in the regulation era.


Actually, the article you shared kind of proves what I was saying earlier:

'The good news is such drinking did not tend to get violent: because there were far fewer passengers, the crowding that contributes to the alcoholic air rage of today didn’t really exist. But that doesn’t mean that people didn’t pull out all the other stops on drunken behavior, such as stumbling down the aisle, molesting stewardesses, singing loudly, and–of course–profusely vomiting.'

People were drunk but not violent, accidents happened due to alcohol but it wasn't anything too serious unlike today: because there were far fewer passengers, the crowding that contributes to the alcoholic air rage of today didn’t really exist.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:35 am

The classist comments here are astounding. Wealthy people are just as capable of inappropriate behavior as anyone else. Lower fares are not to blame for this incident.

Hopefully this man gets the help he needs.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:46 am

Blerg wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Rough day for the flight attendant and passengers. Why do some people have to become animals when they fly. Is it drugs and alcohol?


More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.


I actually pictured this guy as a business class passenger. The business class lounges give the best opportunity for people to pre-game before the flight.

I fly both classes, I've noticed a higher proportion of business class passengers consuming alcohol simply because it's readily available to them. Economy class is looking at $15 well drinks in airport bars and equally overpriced beverages on the plane. Then there's the clever little old lady who boards with a purse full of nips, but I literally don't see this much outside of little old ladies oddly enough.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:54 am

Blerg wrote:
Pudelhund wrote:
Blerg wrote:

Do you have any actual source to back that claim up? Somehow I have a hard time believing it.


You have rose-tinted glasses about what flying used to be like.

https://www.fastcompany.com/3022215/wha ... -of-travel

You can also read the much-recommended book “Hard Landing” for excerpts relating to the experience of air travel in the regulation era.


Actually, the article you shared kind of proves what I was saying earlier:

'The good news is such drinking did not tend to get violent: because there were far fewer passengers, the crowding that contributes to the alcoholic air rage of today didn’t really exist. But that doesn’t mean that people didn’t pull out all the other stops on drunken behavior, such as stumbling down the aisle, molesting stewardesses, singing loudly, and–of course–profusely vomiting.'

People were drunk but not violent, accidents happened due to alcohol but it wasn't anything too serious unlike today: because there were far fewer passengers, the crowding that contributes to the alcoholic air rage of today didn’t really exist.


Hate to break it to you but I’ve seen bad drunk behavior in all classes of travel, from first to economy. And the source is my very own eyes.

And FYI some of the worst behaviour I ever saw was many years ago when a bunch of drunk Serbs on a flight from BEG to FRA on JU. They were grabbing the FAs inappropriately and throwing stuff around the cabin and yelling obscenities in Serbian (puši kurac) and English. Where were they? Seated at the front of the plane.
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:02 am

bgm wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Pudelhund wrote:

You have rose-tinted glasses about what flying used to be like.

https://www.fastcompany.com/3022215/wha ... -of-travel

You can also read the much-recommended book “Hard Landing” for excerpts relating to the experience of air travel in the regulation era.


Actually, the article you shared kind of proves what I was saying earlier:

'The good news is such drinking did not tend to get violent: because there were far fewer passengers, the crowding that contributes to the alcoholic air rage of today didn’t really exist. But that doesn’t mean that people didn’t pull out all the other stops on drunken behavior, such as stumbling down the aisle, molesting stewardesses, singing loudly, and–of course–profusely vomiting.'

People were drunk but not violent, accidents happened due to alcohol but it wasn't anything too serious unlike today: because there were far fewer passengers, the crowding that contributes to the alcoholic air rage of today didn’t really exist.


Hate to break it to you but I’ve seen bad drunk behavior in all classes of travel, from first to economy. And the source is my very own eyes.

And FYI some of the worst behaviour I ever saw was many years ago when a bunch of drunk Serbs on a flight from BEG to FRA on JU. They were grabbing the FAs inappropriately and throwing stuff around the cabin and yelling obscenities in Serbian (puši kurac) and English. Where were they? Seated at the front of the plane.


I have over 100 flights on JU and I have never come across such behavior and I have flown to gasterbajter heavy destinations such as VIE, TXL, STR, DUS... I have also worked for the airline and never heard of stories where passengers grabbed the crew in such a way, not even when they were speaking of unruly passengers. So it must have been a rare case when it comes to JU.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:24 am

A lot of times, after a violent incident like that, the crew involved need to be questioned, and they'll often pull the entire crew off the rotation. Even if it is a base, at that hour of evening, the standby crew pool might have been so depleted, it was impossible to re-crew for a departure that evening.
Likely they had to deplane everyone, biohazard clean parts of the aircraft, etc. Disappointing it wasn't able to continue, but also not surprising.
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2019 9:25 am

Blerg wrote:
bgm wrote:
Blerg wrote:

Actually, the article you shared kind of proves what I was saying earlier:

'The good news is such drinking did not tend to get violent: because there were far fewer passengers, the crowding that contributes to the alcoholic air rage of today didn’t really exist. But that doesn’t mean that people didn’t pull out all the other stops on drunken behavior, such as stumbling down the aisle, molesting stewardesses, singing loudly, and–of course–profusely vomiting.'

People were drunk but not violent, accidents happened due to alcohol but it wasn't anything too serious unlike today: because there were far fewer passengers, the crowding that contributes to the alcoholic air rage of today didn’t really exist.


Hate to break it to you but I’ve seen bad drunk behavior in all classes of travel, from first to economy. And the source is my very own eyes.

And FYI some of the worst behaviour I ever saw was many years ago when a bunch of drunk Serbs on a flight from BEG to FRA on JU. They were grabbing the FAs inappropriately and throwing stuff around the cabin and yelling obscenities in Serbian (puši kurac) and English. Where were they? Seated at the front of the plane.


I have over 100 flights on JU and I have never come across such behavior and I have flown to gasterbajter heavy destinations such as VIE, TXL, STR, DUS... I have also worked for the airline and never heard of stories where passengers grabbed the crew in such a way, not even when they were speaking of unruly passengers. So it must have been a rare case when it comes to JU.


The most unruly passengers I've seen were Chinese people on Chinese flights. Both economy and business class/first. I honestly feel bad for people working for Chinese airlines...

But the dude in this story is an american, he knows our etiquette on planes, he was just a douche/mentally ill/intoxicated. One or a combination of those.
 
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Re: passenger hits flight attendant, then pukes during Delta flight from IND to CDG

Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:07 am

RWA380 wrote:
Austin787 wrote:
Blerg wrote:

More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.

I haven't noticed any connection between how much money people have and their behavior.


Kristen Chenowith is notorious, as is Lauryn Hill of the Fugees. Often the more money, the more entitled people are. I have friends that fly & both have over a decade in with their carrier, both choose to work the coach cabin vs first class, for exactly the same reason, entitled people whose expectations are grander than the agenda entails. I fully respect their choices.[/qu

This type of behaviour is not confined to planes. I used to travel regularly on a train between London and Cheshire, and would quite often treat myself to lunch - a lovely thing to do.

One time, a rather miserable young attendant was serving me, and I asked her if she was ok. We got chatting, and she explained she was fed up with having to deal with drunk, rude pax, usually businessmen and rich Cheshire types (entitled!) who puked up, even urinated in their seats. Train's restaurant cars are usually first class and Standard class pax are allowed if they pay extra

Poor young lady was leaving and was going to work as an FA on Virgin Atlantic. I didn't have to heart to tell her that she would get this on a plane times ten times over. I wished her luck, and she gave me half of a whole Sage Derby cheese and a nice bottle of red.

Wonder if she's still there..?
 
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Re: passenger hits flight attendant, then pukes during Delta flight from IND to CDG

Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:35 am

Varsity1 wrote:
zuckie13 wrote:
It looks to me like they didn't end up sending that plane to CDG. Why couldn't/didn't they quickly rustle up a crew at DTW to finish the trip?


I don't think DTW is a 767 crew base, Just A330 and narrow bodies.


DTW is a 757/67 base
 
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Re: passenger hits flight attendant, then pukes during Delta flight from IND to CDG

Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:50 am

He is lucky there weren’t any non-revs from the ramp on the flight. He would have left the flight in a stretcher.
 
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Re: passenger hits flight attendant, then pukes during Delta flight from IND to CDG

Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:08 am

Blerg wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Rough day for the flight attendant and passengers. Why do some people have to become animals when they fly. Is it drugs and alcohol?


More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.

Yes, yes, quite, quite. Ever since the great unwashed were permitted to travel, the experience has gone down hill. Airports crowded with the poorly attired and their screaming offspring. Now any lout who can scrape up a a few bucks can fly from the hinterlands to the most glorious cities.

Ahh, how I long for the days when the 1% were the only ones getting hammered at 30,000 feet. When I could grab a stewardesses butt or make lewd comments to her, and she'd have to smile and take it. Women knew their place then. When places like Paris were full of locals and only the right kind of tourists. You know, our people, wink, wink.
 
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Re: passenger hits flight attendant, then pukes during Delta flight from IND to CDG

Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:14 am

With more people flying, there has been a rise in the number of these unruly pax. This is compounded by other factors. Our modern sensational heavy media including social media sites and the internet means we hear about such events a lot more. Zero tolerance since 9/11 for any assault or attempted assault on flight staff. Greater use and misuse of prescription and other drugs. More crowed flights leading to triggering events. The flight class of the disrupting pax doesn't matter, recall the most extreme such event by a 1st Class pax on an AA flight from Argentina to JFK back in the 1990's.

As other and I have said before, I wish we could keep off persons who are intoxicated from flying but with limited and poorly paid gate staff who don't want to get into confrontations so get their shift done and go home on time, difficulties in determining what behaviors would mean trouble means limited ability to do so. I do think persons who cause such in-flight confrontations should face arrest, psychological and medical examination and if appropriate, charge them with criminal penalties and assessed civil damages.
 
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Re: passenger hits flight attendant, then pukes during Delta flight from IND to CDG

Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:35 am

Austin787 wrote:
Blerg wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Rough day for the flight attendant and passengers. Why do some people have to become animals when they fly. Is it drugs and alcohol?


More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.

I haven't noticed any connection between how much money people have and their behavior.


In fact I have, and I suppose we all have.

But: there has been bad behaviour in terms of drunkenness, abusing the crew etc. in all cabins and from all types of people, but it happens proportionally more on - for instance - Ryanair and charter flights from the UK to the Mediterranean than on - for instance - Swiss between Zurich and New York or JAL between Tokyo and London.

Still, 99.9% of all passengers on lower fares behave perfectly well, and if it were 99.91% of passenger on higher fares that behave, then that 0.01% difference does not justify to discriminate against people flying on lower fares, or to increase fares so as to exclude them.

And if you look at what you read in the news and no forums, there seems to be a pattern of an over-proportional number of alcohol-related incidents on flights from/to Britain and Russia, and an over-proportional number of crew abusing/"do you know who I am" attitude from pax from the Middle East and India. But those seem to be more cultural issues plus the media in certain countries reporting this more than others.
 
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Re: passenger hits flight attendant, then pukes during Delta flight from IND to CDG

Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:01 pm

Is this not an everyday occurence on UK Charter flights???

It's big news, yes, however, get on any Thomas Cook/TUI/Easyjet or Ryanair flight to Turkey, Ibiza or certain Greek Islands and this is something the crew have almost accepted as part of the day-to-day job.
 
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Re: passenger hits flight attendant, then pukes during Delta flight from IND to CDG

Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:20 pm

I’ve flown BDL-SJU round trips as a passenger many times...well known as a “party flight”....and never did anybody act up. Quite a few had to be helped off the plane by their traveling companions, but never any violence. Flip side....I’ve seen plenty of suited businessmen be stupid drunk belligerent in the airport lounges and in the front cabin, so pretty much anybody can be a drunk jerk on a plane.
 
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Re: passenger hits flight attendant, then pukes during Delta flight from IND to CDG

Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:25 pm

This doesn’t sound like just the effects of alcohol because if it was just that by that point in flight he would just be passed out.

This is some other type of drugs here.

I would love to know how ticked off the rest of the passengers were at this guy, considering you see how angry people get during routine weather delays, let alone something like this situation.
 
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Re: passenger hits flight attendant, then pukes during Delta flight from IND to CDG

Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:44 pm

Blerg wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Rough day for the flight attendant and passengers. Why do some people have to become animals when they fly. Is it drugs and alcohol?


More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.



Those times when I have been fortunate enough to get first class I am amazed at the arrogance and rudeness of first class passengers. Just because the company paid for your upgrade does not give you the right to demean the flight attendants or other passengers. I've seen more acts of disrespect "up front" than anything in back with the "commoners" Need further proof? Just check Fl talk..
 
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Re: passenger hits flight attendant, then pukes during Delta flight from IND to CDG

Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:58 pm

Did Delta continue to serve a drunk passenger? Are they somewhat responsible too?
 
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Re: passenger hits flight attendant, then pukes during Delta flight from IND to CDG

Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:46 pm

Blerg wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
Rough day for the flight attendant and passengers. Why do some people have to become animals when they fly. Is it drugs and alcohol?


More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.

So you’re one of those people that thinks we should still be dressing up in suit and tie to fly then? :shakehead:
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Re: passenger hits flight attendant, then pukes during Delta flight from IND to CDG

Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:04 pm

Blerg wrote:
More like the abundance of unbundled fares. What did people expect when aviation became yet another form of mass transport.


So this Delta flight is consistently priced (very lowest) at $615 for "basic economy" and exactly $120 more ($735) for "economy". Obviously, the same seats can be much more for weekends and close in bookings.

So you believe that $120 savings introduces a new and lesser behaved stratum of humanity to the gentile world of flying?
Was the offending pax flying to Paris to attend a back-alley tattoo festival? Or perhaps to run a sidewalk 3 card monte hustle?

PS - aviation is mass transport, and has always been for our lifetimes. full stop. feel free to buy your own plane if you object to this concept.

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