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lutfi
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:04 am

Pudelhund wrote:
Can someone explain like I am 5 what the Boeing IAG A320 service agreement means? I don’t understand the meaning or motivation behind it.


Both Airbus, Boeing and some 3rd parties (LH, AF, AAR) offer 'power by the hour' contracts for aircraft components, where for a fee they supply spare parts, and repair spare parts.

LH will offer this for both Boeing and Airbus. Boeing have now won a contract for IAG A320.

It isn't that odd - remember almost all the spare parts will be from other manufacturers (UTC, Moog, Homeywell etc) with a lot of overlap between the aircraft, and the repair centre for a B737 widget will be the same as the repair centre for a A320 widget. So Boeing already has the supply chain (warehouses, logistics, repair contracts, IT) and all they need to do is buy enough A320 spare parts from the likes of Honeywell etc.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:37 am

lutfi wrote:
Pudelhund wrote:
Can someone explain like I am 5 what the Boeing IAG A320 service agreement means? I don’t understand the meaning or motivation behind it.


Both Airbus, Boeing and some 3rd parties (LH, AF, AAR) offer 'power by the hour' contracts for aircraft components, where for a fee they supply spare parts, and repair spare parts.

LH will offer this for both Boeing and Airbus. Boeing have now won a contract for IAG A320.

It isn't that odd - remember almost all the spare parts will be from other manufacturers (UTC, Moog, Homeywell etc) with a lot of overlap between the aircraft, and the repair centre for a B737 widget will be the same as the repair centre for a A320 widget. So Boeing already has the supply chain (warehouses, logistics, repair contracts, IT) and all they need to do is buy enough A320 spare parts from the likes of Honeywell etc.



Thank you... :bigthumbsup:
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:18 am

lutfi wrote:
Pudelhund wrote:
Can someone explain like I am 5 what the Boeing IAG A320 service agreement means? I don’t understand the meaning or motivation behind it.


Both Airbus, Boeing and some 3rd parties (LH, AF, AAR) offer 'power by the hour' contracts for aircraft components, where for a fee they supply spare parts, and repair spare parts.

LH will offer this for both Boeing and Airbus. Boeing have now won a contract for IAG A320.

It isn't that odd - remember almost all the spare parts will be from other manufacturers (UTC, Moog, Homeywell etc) with a lot of overlap between the aircraft, and the repair centre for a B737 widget will be the same as the repair centre for a A320 widget. So Boeing already has the supply chain (warehouses, logistics, repair contracts, IT) and all they need to do is buy enough A320 spare parts from the likes of Honeywell etc.


Are the parts of a Boeing aircraft US system or metric for units of measurement? I've wondered this before. It'd be awkward for a mechanic with US system tools to work metric components. I know metric throws me off.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:47 am

Jouhou wrote:
Are the parts of a Boeing aircraft US system or metric for units of measurement? I've wondered this before. It'd be awkward for a mechanic with US system tools to work metric components. I know metric throws me off.


They are SAE, aka US. Fractions of an inch.
Though, torques in the AMM are given in both ft-lb and newton-meters!
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:54 am

AA737-823 wrote:
Jouhou wrote:
Are the parts of a Boeing aircraft US system or metric for units of measurement? I've wondered this before. It'd be awkward for a mechanic with US system tools to work metric components. I know metric throws me off.


They are SAE, aka US. Fractions of an inch.
Though, torques in the AMM are given in both ft-lb and newton-meters!


Thanks for answering that, I've noticed that they have a lot of the same suppliers that I deal with (and everything is in inches and ft-lbs)
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:01 am

So are we posting Embraer stuff here? Looks like there's a press conference right now.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:11 am

Ishrion wrote:
So are we posting Embraer stuff here? Looks like there's a press conference right now.


Embraer-Boeing deal hasn't been closed yet. Embraer is technically still Embraer.
So as of today it would be inaccurate and inappropriate to list Embraer sales as Boeing sales.

Topic for discussing Embraer orders is here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1424861
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:48 am

Boeing has finally entered the airshow with 10 787-10s (with an additional 10 leased from ALC) and 10 787-9s for Korean Air
https://twitter.com/e_russell/status/11 ... 8346526720
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:57 am

A330freak wrote:
Boeing has finally entered the airshow with 10 787-10s (with an additional 10 leased from ALC) and 10 787-9s for Korean Air
https://twitter.com/e_russell/status/11 ... 8346526720


Good, as rumored. The 787-10 will likely prove to be a solid performer for their SE Asia network. Congrats Boeing and Korean Air!
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:21 am

Nice addition for the 787 program. 20 787-10's and 10 additional 787-9's.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:27 am

Is the 10 leased from ALC new or existing orders?
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:46 am

Someone83 wrote:
Is the 10 leased from ALC new or existing orders?


Leased, existing orders
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:29 am

Air Lease has new ordered 5 more B787-9. These are top on the KA 787.

https://twitter.com/airwaysmagazine/status/1140942625777704960
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:38 am

T4thH wrote:
Air Lease has new ordered 5 more B787-9. These are top on the KA 787.

https://twitter.com/airwaysmagazine/status/1140942625777704960


The Twitter from SUH suggests the KAL aircraft are new orders?

'@AirLeaseCorp is placing an order for 5 787-9s in additions to 10 798-10s we purchased to lease for Korean'
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:43 am

Yes, these 5 seems to be new. The 10 are "old", already ordered much earlier and now leased to KAL.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:22 pm

T4thH wrote:
More information regarding the GECAS order of 777F and 737F. There are no 777F, instead all are B737800BCF.
So first news regarding 777F was wrong.

10 options to orders and 15 options of the 737-800 Boeing Converted Freighter (BCF) and GECAS is launch customer,

"@GECAS, just signed an agreement adding 15 737-800BCFs to their order book. This brings their firm orders and purchase rights to 65 for our newest freighter. #PAS19"

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-06-17-GECAS-orders-10-737-800-Boeing-Converted-Freighters-adds-15-options?sf214116224=1

When the first news for Boeing is, that old outworn birds after end of their passenger service live, converted by Boeing to freighters, are sold...and that is all till now on day 1, than it is clear, someone has now a real bad day on PAS2019.


Ok some additional information now: 15 737-800BCFs go to Amazon Prime.
https://www.genewsroom.com/press-releases/amazon-partners-gecas-lease-additional-fifteen-737-800-converted-freighters-284880
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:26 pm

IAG reportedly order 200 737max.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:28 pm

xwb565 wrote:
IAG reportedly order 200 737max.


any links?? Don't believe it until I see an official statement.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:29 pm

 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:29 pm

https://twitter.com/airwayslive/status/ ... 7606772736
Mix of -8 and -10 for delivery 2023-2027.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:30 pm

^^
Would be very surprised since they have invested in the neo already.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:30 pm

Will be interesting to see where they end up.

FlyRow wrote:
^^
Would be very surprised since they have invested in the neo already.

I suspect it is mix of desire to diversify, need for planes quicker than Airbus can deliver, and fantastic pricing.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:31 pm

Who saw that coming?

https://www.sharesmagazine.co.uk/news/m ... -8-B737-10

IAG SIGNS LETTER OF INTENT FOR 200 BOEING 737-8 AND 737-10
International Airlines Group (IAG) has signed a letter of intent with Boeing for 200 B737 aircraft to join its fleet. The LOI is subject to formal agreement.
The mix of 737-8 and 737-10 aircraft would be delivered between 2023 and 2027 and would be powered by CFM Leap engines. It is anticipated that the aircraft would be used by a number of the Group's airlines including Vueling, LEVEL plus British Airways at London Gatwick airport.
Willie Walsh, IAG chief executive, said: "We're very pleased to sign this letter of intent with Boeing and are certain that these aircraft will be a great addition to IAG's shorthaul fleet.
"We have every confidence in Boeing and expect that the aircraft will make a successful return to service in the coming months having received approval from the regulators".
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:32 pm

looks like rebrending with no more word MAX?
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:33 pm

Buy 1 get 1 free?
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:34 pm

Well, IAG as a group are big enough to handle both A320s and 737s. Doesn't surprise me that they'd want to diversify their group fleet. The timing though? Perhaps they've got a killer deal (think Ryanair's original 737-800 order back in the day) due to the current situation?
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:34 pm

Polot wrote:
Will be interesting to see where they end up.

FlyRow wrote:
^^
Would be very surprised since they have invested in the neo already.

I suspect it is mix of desire to diversify, need for planes quicker than Airbus can deliver, and fantastic pricing.


Or perhaps, you know, the air frame fits their needs. :roll:

Certainly a great show of confidence from a blue chip for the beleaguered program.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:34 pm

I say this with no bias - it looks like IAG wants to ensure a strong Boeing. A similar order to the one SQ launched the a350xwb after the major Airbus fiasco a decade ago.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:36 pm

Armadillo1 wrote:
looks like rebrending with no more word MAX?


Still says max on imagery and even the fake LOI he’s holding. But maybe less highlighted.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:41 pm

MrBren wrote:
Buy 1 get 1 free?


That’s pretty much how it works with NB’s already.
-Dave


MAX’d out on MAX threads. If you are starting a thread, and it’s about the MAX - stop. There’s already a thread that covers it.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:44 pm

fcogafa wrote:
Who saw that coming?

https://www.sharesmagazine.co.uk/news/m ... -8-B737-10

IAG SIGNS LETTER OF INTENT FOR 200 BOEING 737-8 AND 737-10
International Airlines Group (IAG) has signed a letter of intent with Boeing for 200 B737 aircraft to join its fleet. The LOI is subject to formal agreement.
The mix of 737-8 and 737-10 aircraft would be delivered between 2023 and 2027 and would be powered by CFM Leap engines. It is anticipated that the aircraft would be used by a number of the Group's airlines including Vueling, LEVEL plus British Airways at London Gatwick airport.
Willie Walsh, IAG chief executive, said: "We're very pleased to sign this letter of intent with Boeing and are certain that these aircraft will be a great addition to IAG's shorthaul fleet.
"We have every confidence in Boeing and expect that the aircraft will make a successful return to service in the coming months having received approval from the regulators".


Probably no one, especially given the small XLR order - that is firm vs this LOI.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:44 pm

This is impressive. Completely out of the blue. For BA at LGW will be a bit of a mess with limited interchange with LHR fleet, concoction of fleet types and non containerised loading. Hey what do I know. Wonder if BAMG will take on the maintenance at GLA?
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:45 pm

Good news for the MAX and Boeing..there was a rumour that Willie Walsh was looking at the 737.So they have confidence in the MAX.And in Boeing of course.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:47 pm

Never thought the BA livery would grace the 737 again.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:50 pm

CarbonFibre wrote:
Never thought the BA livery would grace the 737 again.


The 737, including the Max is still in BA livery in South Africa, operated by Comair.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:50 pm

CarbonFibre wrote:
Never thought the BA livery would grace the 737 again.


There are plenty flying today under Comair.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:51 pm

Wonder what the discounts are
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:51 pm

I'm going to bet that part of this LOI will be converted into 797s.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:51 pm

by738 wrote:
This is impressive. Completely out of the blue. For BA at LGW will be a bit of a mess with limited interchange with LHR fleet, concoction of fleet types and non containerised loading. Hey what do I know. Wonder if BAMG will take on the maintenance at GLA?


I thought that LGW didn't use containerised baggage anyway? And had a separate fleet of A32x from the LHR fleet? Isn't that why they got a lot of the ex-BMI A319s, because they didn't have containerised baggage and were therefore a hassle at LHR?
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:52 pm

Image

https://twitter.com/airwaysmagazine

Some strange wording in the first part of the release. Is the competition still open? Is WW send a shot across Airbus's bows over pricing?
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:53 pm

CarbonFibre wrote:
Never thought the BA livery would grace the 737 again.


Well, South Africa Comair’s 737s sport the BA livery... (they are a BA franchise)
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:57 pm

I wished they would use some of these to expand at some UK airports like Manchester, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Birmingham and Newcastle.

Good news though for Boeing and BA.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:59 pm

Brexit chess move in the face of the EU regulators.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:59 pm

Guillaume787 wrote:


Well, South Africa Comair’s 737s sport the BA livery... (they are a BA franchise)[/quote]

That awful copy of the BA livery doesn't count!
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:01 pm

CarbonFibre wrote:
Guillaume787 wrote:

Well, South Africa Comair’s 737s sport the BA livery... (they are a BA franchise)


That awful copy of the BA livery doesn't count!

It’s not a copy, it is exactly how BA’s livery would be except winglets (unless BA moves away from all white winglets).

 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:04 pm

Polot wrote:
CarbonFibre wrote:
Guillaume787 wrote:

Well, South Africa Comair’s 737s sport the BA livery... (they are a BA franchise)


That awful copy of the BA livery doesn't count!

It’s not a copy, it is exactly how BA’s livery would be except winglets (unless BA moves away from all white winglets).



They already have. The A350 has the tail fin design on the winglets.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:04 pm

Waterbomber2 wrote:
Brexit chess move in the face of the EU regulators.

Yes, because we all know that companies make business decisions in order to make political statements.
From Hamburg with love.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:06 pm

Great (and very surprising news); I am wondering which airlines in the IAG group will operate it. BA has pretty much committed to the Neo; IB is an Airbus carrier; Vueling likewise; I can't see EI operating short haul Boeings in the near or medium term (though they need to renew their short haul fleet). While it's a much needed confidence boost for the Max, I am very curious to see what use IAG puts the Max to.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:06 pm

Waterbomber2 wrote:
Brexit chess move in the face of the EU regulators.

IAG is a Spanish company so not sure what Brexit has to do with it.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:06 pm

Would be nice to see a 737 back in EI new livery. Doubt there’s any chance of that happening
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