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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:27 am

B777LRF wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
BoeingVista wrote:
Not unless Boeing develop containerised baggage handling for the 737 as BA cannot unload loose bags at Heathrow T5


BA will be basing the 737 at LGW, so that should render any concerns about containerized cargo handling at LHR re: 737 as moot.


British Airways, or IAG for that matter, will not place the MAX's anywhere at this point in time.

All they've done is launch a carefully orchestrated life-line to Boeing, bought and paid for by the suits in Chicago, as part of their plan to regain some goodwill and turn the media attention away from their internal problems for a while. Read the statement carefully if you wish, all BA are saying is that the MAX is now under consideration. As if it never was ....

Please also note the total absence of an artist impression, or model aircraft, in BA colours at the 'ceremony'. Being that closely associated with a tarred product was probably a step too far for BA, and may speak volumes of their true intentions.

I fully expect British Airways to use this as nothing more than a bargaining chip when speaking to the suits of Toulouse, and to let the LoI lapse once they've gotten what they wanted: Cheaper A320-series.

The price for all this? Probably a very sweet deal on the delayed 777X and promises of deep discounts on their next 787 order.

All right, but if the LoI gets firmed, will you admit you were wrong?
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:32 am

I myself expected NO, or very few 737MAX orders at PAS19. This is quite a plot twist, very interesting development.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:39 am

B777LRF wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
BoeingVista wrote:
Not unless Boeing develop containerised baggage handling for the 737 as BA cannot unload loose bags at Heathrow T5


BA will be basing the 737 at LGW, so that should render any concerns about containerized cargo handling at LHR re: 737 as moot.


British Airways, or IAG for that matter, will not place the MAX's anywhere at this point in time.

All they've done is launch a carefully orchestrated life-line to Boeing, bought and paid for by the suits in Chicago, as part of their plan to regain some goodwill and turn the media attention away from their internal problems for a while. Read the statement carefully if you wish, all BA are saying is that the MAX is now under consideration. As if it never was ....

Please also note the total absence of an artist impression, or model aircraft, in BA colours at the 'ceremony'. Being that closely associated with a tarred product was probably a step too far for BA, and may speak volumes of their true intentions.

I fully expect British Airways to use this as nothing more than a bargaining chip when speaking to the suits of Toulouse, and to let the LoI lapse once they've gotten what they wanted: Cheaper A320-series.

The price for all this? Probably a very sweet deal on the delayed 777X and promises of deep discounts on their next 787 order.

What do you think? That Walsh is playing games with Boeing?Sign an LOi for 200 737.s to end with a huge discount on the,in your words, much wanted A320 series? Yeah right...Do you think Boeing let this happen?
What surprises me if Airbus announce a big order all the A boys are in high heaven but when Boeing gets a LOi for 200 737 from BA the shit hits the fan..What childish behaviour..These comments are going nowhere.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:42 am

B777LRF wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
BoeingVista wrote:
Not unless Boeing develop containerised baggage handling for the 737 as BA cannot unload loose bags at Heathrow T5


BA will be basing the 737 at LGW, so that should render any concerns about containerized cargo handling at LHR re: 737 as moot.


British Airways, or IAG for that matter, will not place the MAX's anywhere at this point in time.

All they've done is launch a carefully orchestrated life-line to Boeing, bought and paid for by the suits in Chicago, as part of their plan to regain some goodwill and turn the media attention away from their internal problems for a while. Read the statement carefully if you wish, all BA are saying is that the MAX is now under consideration. As if it never was ....

Please also note the total absence of an artist impression, or model aircraft, in BA colours at the 'ceremony'. Being that closely associated with a tarred product was probably a step too far for BA, and may speak volumes of their true intentions.

I fully expect British Airways to use this as nothing more than a bargaining chip when speaking to the suits of Toulouse, and to let the LoI lapse once they've gotten what they wanted: Cheaper A320-series.

The price for all this? Probably a very sweet deal on the delayed 777X and promises of deep discounts on their next 787 order.


Wow :sarcastic:

They certainly seem to be going to a lot of trouble for something you say will never happen, especially to randomly pick a number of 200 aircraft for IAG to show such good will to a company they owe absolutely nothing too.

Wow :sarcastic:
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:49 am

Lewton wrote:
All right, but if the LoI gets firmed, will you admit you were wrong?


Absolutely. But I don't think that'll be valid in this case.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:58 am

¿time of news today in boeing.....?
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:01 am

I doubt that this is all smoke and mirrors from Boeing and IAG. The announcement of a LOI for 200 aircraft, irrespective of who it is from, will cause the share price to move. I am not 100% certain on the SEC rules about things like this but I doubt Boeing would be allowed to make significant announcements like this, that in reality they know would never be firmed.

Granted it would be difficult for the SEC to prove intentions but all it takes is one executive passed over for promotion for him / her to start whistling to the SEC.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:04 am

Its good work for both Boeing and IAG to have the MAX order. Boeing for obvious reasons and IAG to insulate against single supplier issues (as well as keeping Airbus prices honest, what if the A32x were to be grounded for some unforeseen event in future? At least not all their short haul fleet would be wiped out.)
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:04 am

Miquel787 wrote:
B777LRF wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:

BA will be basing the 737 at LGW, so that should render any concerns about containerized cargo handling at LHR re: 737 as moot.


British Airways, or IAG for that matter, will not place the MAX's anywhere at this point in time.

All they've done is launch a carefully orchestrated life-line to Boeing, bought and paid for by the suits in Chicago, as part of their plan to regain some goodwill and turn the media attention away from their internal problems for a while. Read the statement carefully if you wish, all BA are saying is that the MAX is now under consideration. As if it never was ....

Please also note the total absence of an artist impression, or model aircraft, in BA colours at the 'ceremony'. Being that closely associated with a tarred product was probably a step too far for BA, and may speak volumes of their true intentions.

I fully expect British Airways to use this as nothing more than a bargaining chip when speaking to the suits of Toulouse, and to let the LoI lapse once they've gotten what they wanted: Cheaper A320-series.

The price for all this? Probably a very sweet deal on the delayed 777X and promises of deep discounts on their next 787 order.

What do you think? That Walsh is playing games with Boeing?Sign an LOi for 200 737.s to end with a huge discount on the,in your words, much wanted A320 series? Yeah right...Do you think Boeing let this happen?
What surprises me if Airbus announce a big order all the A boys are in high heaven but when Boeing gets a LOi for 200 737 from BA the shit hits the fan..What childish behaviour..These comments are going nowhere.


Well, it wouldn't be the first LOI that was not firmed up and there is noting that Boeing could do about it as its not a firm contract.

But there is something weird about this order, usually an intention to order is announced after a board meeting as it required board approval so this must have been a rush job that certainly implies very keen pricing.

But this order is also political as IAG is a big player in EASA regulation zone (until 31 October anyway :biggrin: :duck: ) they will be expected to back their own and Boeings interests with EASA so whatever price Boeing got for these MAX's it's good business for them.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:16 am

Could IAG use this MAX purchase to form a leasing division ? If so, I reckon most these 200 will end up in China.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:22 am

Absolutely astonished by this IAG order. Absolitely out of nowhere, seemingly.

I don't see these going to BA but I could absolutely see EI replacing their A320, 752 and A321 fleet with 738/A321XLR. Also Level and Vuelling. Struggling to see IB going 737 for the narrowbody fleet but stranger things have happened.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:25 am

China Airlines signed LoI for up to 6 777Fs: https://www.twitter.com/DjsAviation/sta ... 3827864577
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:28 am

BoeingVista wrote:
But this order is also political as IAG is a big player in EASA regulation zone (until 31 October anyway :biggrin: :duck: ) they will be expected to back their own and Boeings interests with EASA so whatever price Boeing got for these MAX's it's good business for them.


?

EASA isn't an airline interest organisation. IAG has zero influence over EASA's grounding and ungrounding of the 737MAX.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:29 am

IAG shareholders haven't taken the news well, stock down 4.5%
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:30 am

BoeingVista wrote:
But this order is also political as IAG is a big player in EASA regulation zone (until 31 October anyway :biggrin: :duck: ) they will be expected to back their own and Boeings interests with EASA so whatever price Boeing got for these MAX's it's good business for them.

What has October 31st to do with it? Iberia, Aer Lingus, Vueling, and Level use AOCs in Spain, Ireland, France, and Austria, all countries that will continue to fall under EASA overall regulation. IAG itself is registered in Spain, but anyway operates planes only through its subsidiaries. Even BA (which may or may not remain under EASA's overarching umbrella), still has to comply with its regulations because most of the shorthaul flights are to EASA destinations and most of the longhaul flights cross EASA airspace.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:39 am

AdEd wrote:
China Airlines signed LoI for up to 6 777Fs: https://www.twitter.com/DjsAviation/sta ... 3827864577


This order was already announced by China Airlines in on 8 May. It's for 3 firm + 3 options.

https://www.china-airlines.com/us/en/di ... 20190508-1

Cheers! :wave:
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:44 am

RossW wrote:
IAG shareholders haven't taken the news well, stock down 4.5%


Probably more related to the overcapacity in Europe as per what LH said earlier this week than the order itself.

CHRISBA35X wrote:
Absolutely astonished by this IAG order. Absolitely out of nowhere, seemingly.

I don't see these going to BA but I could absolutely see EI replacing their A320, 752 and A321 fleet with 738/A321XLR. Also Level and Vuelling. Struggling to see IB going 737 for the narrowbody fleet but stranger things have happened.


There's nothing really to guess here as IAG have made it clear in their press release. They are going to BA LGW + Vueling/Level. I really doubt EI will ever see a mix of 737/320 because of how small their fleet is.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:46 am

LifelinerOne wrote:
AdEd wrote:
China Airlines signed LoI for up to 6 777Fs: https://www.twitter.com/DjsAviation/sta ... 3827864577


This order was already announced by China Airlines on 8 May. It's for 3 firm + 3 options.

https://www.china-airlines.com/us/en/di ... 20190508-1

Cheers! :wave:


Glad to see the 777 doing reasonably well this year too with the BA order in the books and a recent order for 9 777F’s.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:52 am

Qatar airways will buy 5 more 777F

Update, if Boeing offers the B777X as freighter, QA wants to be launch customer...someone needs a little bit show...
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:05 am

 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:19 am

T4thH wrote:
Qatar airways will buy 5 more 777F

Update, if Boeing offers the B777X as freighter, QA wants to be launch customer...someone needs a little bit show...

U turn Al wants to be launch customer for the 777X freighter and he also wants to be the launch customer for the 797..Al is a party animal lol
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:20 am

T4thH wrote:
Update, if Boeing offers the B777X as freighter, QA wants to be launch customer...someone needs a little bit show...


Don't know if that is a wise idea.

Carpets get scuffed on the first freight run and U-Turn Al won't be happy!
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:23 am

B777LRF wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
BoeingVista wrote:
Not unless Boeing develop containerised baggage handling for the 737 as BA cannot unload loose bags at Heathrow T5


BA will be basing the 737 at LGW, so that should render any concerns about containerized cargo handling at LHR re: 737 as moot.


British Airways, or IAG for that matter, will not place the MAX's anywhere at this point in time.

All they've done is launch a carefully orchestrated life-line to Boeing, bought and paid for by the suits in Chicago, as part of their plan to regain some goodwill and turn the media attention away from their internal problems for a while. Read the statement carefully if you wish, all BA are saying is that the MAX is now under consideration. As if it never was ....

Please also note the total absence of an artist impression, or model aircraft, in BA colours at the 'ceremony'. Being that closely associated with a tarred product was probably a step too far for BA, and may speak volumes of their true intentions.

I fully expect British Airways to use this as nothing more than a bargaining chip when speaking to the suits of Toulouse, and to let the LoI lapse once they've gotten what they wanted: Cheaper A320-series.

The price for all this? Probably a very sweet deal on the delayed 777X and promises of deep discounts on their next 787 order.


If Airbus is as smart as you the LOI only gives infinitesimal leverage. The argument fails.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:34 am

Turkmenistan Airlines Intends to Order One Boeing 777-200LR.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:38 am

MrBren wrote:
Turkmenistan Airlines Intends to Order One Boeing 777-200LR.


Ahh a flying fuel tank. Bit random to just get the one! Although they have 2 already.

Will this be the last -200 series 777 to be made perhaps? When did the last ER come off the line?
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:41 am

crimsonchin wrote:
So according to a few posts here we're meant to believe not only did BA realllly want to order this plane, Boeing didn't even have to go below the usual discount rates for orders of this size to win the order? Lmao, someone tell Airbus to close up shop fast. They're dominating the market with their NB but they're still having to discount more than the competitor's plane that's currently embroiled in the deaths of 300+ passengers.


I highly doubt Airbus is worried about this order, and I doubt they're heavily discounting the NEO seeing how well the A321NEO sells on its own and its backlog.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:43 am

Arion640 wrote:
MrBren wrote:
Turkmenistan Airlines Intends to Order One Boeing 777-200LR.


Ahh a flying fuel tank. Bit random to just get the one! Although they have 2 already.

Will this be the last -200 series 777 to be made perhaps? When did the last ER come off the line?

They actually have 3- one is for VIP/Government use though. I’m guessing that is what this one is destined for too.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:03 pm

Arion640 wrote:
MrBren wrote:
Turkmenistan Airlines Intends to Order One Boeing 777-200LR.


Ahh a flying fuel tank. Bit random to just get the one! Although they have 2 already.

Will this be the last -200 series 777 to be made perhaps? When did the last ER come off the line?

I just thought didn’t they get the last 767-300ER as well? but I was wrong (though the region was correct). It was Air Astana: viewtopic.php?t=572863
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:09 pm

runway23 wrote:
RossW wrote:
IAG shareholders haven't taken the news well, stock down 4.5%


Probably more related to the overcapacity in Europe as per what LH said earlier this week than the order itself.

CHRISBA35X wrote:
Absolutely astonished by this IAG order. Absolitely out of nowhere, seemingly.

I don't see these going to BA but I could absolutely see EI replacing their A320, 752 and A321 fleet with 738/A321XLR. Also Level and Vuelling. Struggling to see IB going 737 for the narrowbody fleet but stranger things have happened.


There's nothing really to guess here as IAG have made it clear in their press release. They are going to BA LGW + Vueling/Level. I really doubt EI will ever see a mix of 737/320 because of how small their fleet is.


Ah thank you for the clarification. I was quite confused myself. So I assume that Vueling will get around 100 to replace its current fleet, Level like 20 or so and BA another 30? Or something? Maybe EI gets around 40 or so? I assume at least 50 will be options. I'm still rather confused about what will happen to Vueling's neos though. Will they go to IB/BA? Perhaps EI so they can preserve commonality and let them get the MAXs? I'm very glad to see this order happen but it's quite confusing.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:22 pm

OA940 wrote:
Ah thank you for the clarification. I was quite confused myself. So I assume that Vueling will get around 100 to replace its current fleet, Level like 20 or so and BA another 30? Or something? Maybe EI gets around 40 or so? I assume at least 50 will be options. I'm still rather confused about what will happen to Vueling's neos though. Will they go to IB/BA? Perhaps EI so they can preserve commonality and let them get the MAXs? I'm very glad to see this order happen but it's quite confusing.

Your confusion is caused by posters who ignore Willie Walsh (IAG's CEO) clear statement only yesterday that these planes will go only to Vueling, Level, and BA (Gatwick fleet) and start speculating ignoring the evidence. None will go to EI. None will go to IB. None will go to BA (Heathrow fleet). But it is entirely possible that almost new A320/321 ceos and neos in the Vueling fleet might end up with EI, IB, or BA Heathrow, as the 737s replace them at Vueling
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:40 pm

Arion640 wrote:
MrBren wrote:
Turkmenistan Airlines Intends to Order One Boeing 777-200LR.


Ahh a flying fuel tank. Bit random to just get the one! Although they have 2 already.

Will this be the last -200 series 777 to be made perhaps? When did the last ER come off the line?


Wow!

Maybe the last ever Triple 7 of the 777LR program (passengers/PAX) ordered and manufactured! :bouncy:

It's the fourth 777-200 LR for them

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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:45 pm

Amiga500 wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Update, if Boeing offers the B777X as freighter, QA wants to be launch customer...someone needs a little bit show...


Don't know if that is a wise idea.

Carpets get scuffed on the first freight run and U-Turn Al won't be happy!


This concerned the Airbus A350's for Qatar Airways.

Not Boeing... :bigthumbsup:
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:50 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
crimsonchin wrote:
So according to a few posts here we're meant to believe not only did BA realllly want to order this plane, Boeing didn't even have to go below the usual discount rates for orders of this size to win the order? Lmao, someone tell Airbus to close up shop fast. They're dominating the market with their NB but they're still having to discount more than the competitor's plane that's currently embroiled in the deaths of 300+ passengers.


I highly doubt Airbus is worried about this order, and I doubt they're heavily discounting the NEO seeing how well the A321NEO sells on its own and its backlog.


There are other threads for that!

Here, it is Boeing's orders at PAS'19.

So have the respet to make Sarcasm elsewhere.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:55 pm

Arion640 wrote:
MrBren wrote:
Turkmenistan Airlines Intends to Order One Boeing 777-200LR.


Ahh a flying fuel tank. Bit random to just get the one! Although they have 2 already.

Will this be the last -200 series 777 to be made perhaps? When did the last ER come off the line?


I think it was late 2017. Wasn't it a 77E for Asiana?
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:58 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
MrBren wrote:
Turkmenistan Airlines Intends to Order One Boeing 777-200LR.


Ahh a flying fuel tank. Bit random to just get the one! Although they have 2 already.

Will this be the last -200 series 777 to be made perhaps? When did the last ER come off the line?


I think it was late 2017. Wasn't it a 77E for Asiana?

Last 77E was to Asiana in mid 2013. This 77L won’t be the -200 series 777 though, I’m sure there will 77Fs built after it ;)
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:17 pm

Good Freighter Day for Boeing.

China Airlines: 6 x 777F https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-06-19 ... Freighters

ASL: 20 x 737-800BCF (10 Firm, 10 purchase rights) https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-06-19 ... ing-demand

Qatar: 5 x 777F (Commitment) https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-06-19 ... Freighters

And just to keep the 777 line going;

Turkmenistan: 1 x 777-200LR https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-06-19 ... -777-200LR
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:23 pm

Polot wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:

Ahh a flying fuel tank. Bit random to just get the one! Although they have 2 already.

Will this be the last -200 series 777 to be made perhaps? When did the last ER come off the line?


I think it was late 2017. Wasn't it a 77E for Asiana?

Last 77E was to Asiana in mid 2013. This 77L won’t be the -200 series 777 though, I’m sure there will 77Fs built after it ;)


Wow time flies (pun intended). I think what Arion640 meant was the last pax 772.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:55 pm

trpmb6 wrote:
Good Freighter Day for Boeing.

China Airlines: 6 x 777F https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-06-19 ... Freighters

ASL: 20 x 737-800BCF (10 Firm, 10 purchase rights) https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-06-19 ... ing-demand

Qatar: 5 x 777F (Commitment) https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-06-19 ... Freighters

And just to keep the 777 line going;

Turkmenistan: 1 x 777-200LR https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-06-19 ... -777-200LR

A dozen new GE-90 powered 777s is good news. That keeps the line and wing production going. It is always best to slowly transition to no new build as it is always a shock to operational maintenance on how much they depended on raiding new build parts to support the fleet.

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Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:07 pm

lightsaber wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
Good Freighter Day for Boeing.

China Airlines: 6 x 777F https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-06-19 ... Freighters

ASL: 20 x 737-800BCF (10 Firm, 10 purchase rights) https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-06-19 ... ing-demand

Qatar: 5 x 777F (Commitment) https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-06-19 ... Freighters

And just to keep the 777 line going;

Turkmenistan: 1 x 777-200LR https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-06-19 ... -777-200LR

A dozen new GE-90 powered 777s is good news. That keeps the line and wing production going. It is always best to slowly transition to no new build as it is always a shock to operational maintenance on how much they depended on raiding new build parts to support the fleet.

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Definitely. It should also be a good way to help transition to 777X on the final assembly line.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:29 pm

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BoeingVista wrote:
But this order is also political as IAG is a big player in EASA regulation zone (until 31 October anyway :biggrin: :duck: ) they will be expected to back their own and Boeings interests with EASA so whatever price Boeing got for these MAX's it's good business for them.

What has October 31st to do with it? Iberia, Aer Lingus, Vueling, and Level use AOCs in Spain, Ireland, France, and Austria, all countries that will continue to fall under EASA overall regulation. IAG itself is registered in Spain, but anyway operates planes only through its subsidiaries. Even BA (which may or may not remain under EASA's overarching umbrella), still has to comply with its regulations because most of the shorthaul flights are to EASA destinations and most of the longhaul flights cross EASA airspace.


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qatar desperately needs the cargo capacity considering the blockade. good move on all sides.
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:59 pm

Another good day for Boeing/Embraer..
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:05 pm

Miquel787 wrote:
Another good day for Boeing/Embraer..
KLM ordered 35 E195 E2 for KLM cityhopper

Source: upinthesky.nl ( Dutch)


Embraer deal AFAIK, the deal with Boeing is still to be signed off.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:09 pm

Why are guys debating which airline IAG place their MAX’s. they may have got such a good price that they can just lease them out to airlines in Asia and Africa that need them for a decent margin. I think this is the strategy of indigo partners airlines, buy big and fill where needed, if not lease them out. Another debate is that why do IAG need to place these MAX’s in an existing airline, maybe they set up in new airline in a new geography, who said IAG airlines have to be in Europe :stirthepot:
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:13 pm

MCTSET wrote:
Why are guys debating which airline IAG place their MAX’s. they may have got such a good price that they can just lease them out to airlines in Asia and Africa that need them for a decent margin. I think this is the strategy of indigo partners airlines, buy big and fill where needed, if not lease them out. Another debate is that why do IAG need to place these MAX’s in an existing airline, maybe they set up in new airline in a new geography, who said IAG airlines have to be in Europe :stirthepot:


Willie Walsh said. Guess he is good enough to listen to? No debate needed as it has been mentioned where they are planned to go.

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British Airways, or IAG for that matter, will not place the MAX's anywhere at this point in time.

All they've done is launch a carefully orchestrated life-line to Boeing, bought and paid for by the suits in Chicago, as part of their plan to regain some goodwill and turn the media attention away from their internal problems for a while. Read the statement carefully if you wish, all BA are saying is that the MAX is now under consideration. As if it never was ....

Please also note the total absence of an artist impression, or model aircraft, in BA colours at the 'ceremony'. Being that closely associated with a tarred product was probably a step too far for BA, and may speak volumes of their true intentions.

I fully expect British Airways to use this as nothing more than a bargaining chip when speaking to the suits of Toulouse, and to let the LoI lapse once they've gotten what they wanted: Cheaper A320-series.

The price for all this? Probably a very sweet deal on the delayed 777X and promises of deep discounts on their next 787 order.

Nice rant / conspiracy theory, but maybe you shouldn't have added the part about this allowing BA to squeeze the suits in TLS, because that makes it sound like Boeing got an even better deal than they did from just the PR alone.
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:57 pm

Revelation wrote:
B777LRF wrote:
British Airways, or IAG for that matter, will not place the MAX's anywhere at this point in time.

All they've done is launch a carefully orchestrated life-line to Boeing, bought and paid for by the suits in Chicago, as part of their plan to regain some goodwill and turn the media attention away from their internal problems for a while. Read the statement carefully if you wish, all BA are saying is that the MAX is now under consideration. As if it never was ....

Please also note the total absence of an artist impression, or model aircraft, in BA colours at the 'ceremony'. Being that closely associated with a tarred product was probably a step too far for BA, and may speak volumes of their true intentions.

I fully expect British Airways to use this as nothing more than a bargaining chip when speaking to the suits of Toulouse, and to let the LoI lapse once they've gotten what they wanted: Cheaper A320-series.

The price for all this? Probably a very sweet deal on the delayed 777X and promises of deep discounts on their next 787 order.

Nice rant / conspiracy theory, but maybe you shouldn't have added the part about this allowing BA to squeeze the suits in TLS, because that makes it sound like Boeing got an even better deal than they did from just the PR alone.


Can’t wait for this to be firmed up to see what nonsense people start saying then.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:08 pm

What Long Haul routes is Turkmenistan even doing? As far as I know and correct me if I am wrong, they don't even fly to the US. Its mostly Asia and Europe for them and recently I heard they were even having problems with the EU Regulations. So wouldn't B789 or B78J be a sensible choice for them, even the A330neo would be a better choice than B77LR for them.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:10 pm

Slash787 wrote:
What Long Haul routes is Turkmenistan even doing? As far as I know and correct me if I am wrong, they don't even fly to the US. Its mostly Asia and Europe for them and recently I heard they were even having problems with the EU Regulations. So wouldn't B789 or B78J be a sensible choice for them, even the A330neo would be a better choice than B77LR for them.


They are a very small airline, adding another fleet type wouldn’t do them much good. They are also owned by their government so that for what it’s worth.
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