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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:15 pm

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-fran ... ce=twitter
Cebu to buy over two dozen Airbus jets:
The deal involves 16 A330neo wide-body jets and around

10 of the newly launched A321XLR extended-range narrow-body aircraft
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:18 pm

arcticcruiser wrote:
As interesting as the XLR is, it still builds on the same basic wing as the first sub 80t A321s. With a MTOW of 101t, the XLR is going to cruise initially at FL290-300, at best ending up at FL350 with higher payloads. There is a significant efficiency potential to a revised/better wing. A modern airliner should have initial cruise capability at around FL350 at gross weight.

The 77W has very similar cruise profiles. And we see what a hit that was.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:25 pm

Seriously this! It’s really tough to filter the actual announcements from the chaff. Can the discussion perhaps go to the discussion thread please?

Bricktop wrote:
Children, children, can we keep the thread to orders and not speculation about specs or who may buy what to fly where? FFS, there are enough threads to post that stuff. When I saw 120+ posts I thought Airbus must be kicking some real ass. Nah, it's just a.net being a.net. :roll:
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:27 pm

lightsaber wrote:
United857 wrote:
leyland1989 wrote:
I'm a little confused here,
Correct me if I am wrong, my understandings are follow;
the A321LR is just a current production high MTOW variant of A321Neo with extra ACTs that can be converted back to a regular A321Neo if needed.

The A321XLR is a permanent modification of the current A321Neo with larger (or extra) permanent centre fuel tanks + some other minor modifications which is a separate variant that cannot be converted back into a regular A321Neo.


If this is the case, I can see A321LR still has its own niche and will still be produced for those who want to have greater flexibility within their fleet.

That's pretty much the difference between the XLR and LR. More specifically, the LR uses up to 3 ACTs the size of a LD3-45 container each and are basically just like cargo containers sitting in the cargo hold that can be removed if they are no longer needed. The problem with this approach is that there is a lot of wasted space around the contour of the cargo hold, causing the LR to lose up to 3 full cargo container positions if you want to use it at its maximum range TATL.

The XLR rectifies this by permanently sealing 2 cargo container positions in the aft cargo hold all the way to the outer fuselage, allowing not just the traditional cargo space to be used for fuel but also the space around the regular cargo hold contours as well. This frees up 1 cargo container position while further increasing fuel capacity beyond the 3 ACT version of the LR.

To expand, each ACT is heavy. Sealing off permanently the cargo hold is lighter. Each ACT also has a significant weight of fuel that must be considered unusable. The permanent tank should have much less unusable fuel than 2 ACTs. There is also an avoidance of duplicating certain plumbing, fuel level, venting valves, and other hardware that saves cost and weight.

So a permanent tank should save 500kg or so in structural weight vs. 3 ACTs (probably more) and should allow at least 500kg more fuel to be usable ,(vs. 3 ACTs). Plus, more volume.

Downside is there is a lot of paperwork to complete and certification as a new fuel system must be tested.

If an airline regularly needs one ACT or more, the xLR makes sense. Otherwise it doesn't as it adds weight (including more unusable fuel) and takes away two cargo positions.

Lightsaber


The actual standard for the A321-2xx is one ATC, you only take the A321 without any ATC for rather short haul work. So you only spend one container position extra compared to a standard A321-2xx, for being able to add the equivalent of 4 ACT fuel. The A321 has good sized holds compared to other current single aisle frames.

We have to wait for the MZFW to see, if the XLR has more advantages. It could be added payload, due to the higher MTOW, if you do not fill her up with fuel. The XLR could be a good frame for airlines doing little short haul work. Icelandair for example has hardly a flight below 2:30 hours flight time.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:53 pm

Vladex wrote:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-airshow-cebu-idUSKCN1TI1UZ?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5d07dc5cb1a3150001dd6f74&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
Cebu to buy over two dozen Airbus jets:
The deal involves 16 A330neo wide-body jets and around

10 of the newly launched A321XLR extended-range narrow-body aircraft


Cebu Air, operating as Cebu Pacific, is notorious for its super-high-density A330-300s. 436 economy seats. Yikes.
Their A330neo might be the same.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:20 pm

Vladex wrote:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-airshow-cebu-idUSKCN1TI1UZ?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5d07dc5cb1a3150001dd6f74&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
Cebu to buy over two dozen Airbus jets:
The deal involves 16 A330neo wide-body jets and around

10 of the newly launched A321XLR extended-range narrow-body aircraft


16 A330neo is quite a expansion from their existing A330 fleet (8x). Perhaps they're looking into flying to West Coast US? (A339neo should have the leg even in that ultra dense Cebu Pacific config).

There were rumors of Cebu Pacific looking at the 787 earlier, so this is definitely a good sale by Airbus.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:32 pm

Vladex wrote:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-airshow-cebu-idUSKCN1TI1UZ?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=5d07dc5cb1a3150001dd6f74&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
Cebu to buy over two dozen Airbus jets:
The deal involves 16 A330neo wide-body jets and around

10 of the newly launched A321XLR extended-range narrow-body aircraft


That is big news if correct.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:50 pm

Ishrion wrote:
crimsonchin wrote:
Miami wrote:
Wonder when AA’s announcement will come.


What is AA supposed to be ordering?


Rumored to be A321XLR


Reuters reporting could be up to 50.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/17/america ... uters.html
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:18 pm

cschleic wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
crimsonchin wrote:

What is AA supposed to be ordering?


Rumored to be A321XLR


Reuters reporting could be up to 50.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/17/america ... uters.html


It seems like a reasonable number for a carrier that should really be a shoe-in for the model.
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:35 pm

So is this the tally for today?

A220-300: 50 (ALC)
A321neo: 23 (ALC)
A321XLR: 31 (27 ALC, 4 MEA)
A330-900neo: 8 (Virgin Atlantic)

Among these, 8 A330-900neo and 4 A321XLR are the firm orders.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:24 pm

ITSTours wrote:
So is this the tally for today?

A220-300: 50 (ALC)
A321neo: 23 (ALC)
A321XLR: 31 (27 ALC, 4 MEA)
A330-900neo: 8 (Virgin Atlantic)

Among these, 8 A330-900neo and 4 A321XLR are the firm orders.


Thanks for this summary.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:24 pm

Guys, the XLR has its own thread. I'm very excited about that aircraft, but can we please focus discussion about that in its own thread and dedicate this one to actual orders so we can keep track? Thanks.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:40 pm

airzona11 wrote:
ITSTours wrote:
So is this the tally for today?

A220-300: 50 (ALC)
A321neo: 23 (ALC)
A321XLR: 31 (27 ALC, 4 MEA)
A330-900neo: 8 (Virgin Atlantic)

Among these, 8 A330-900neo and 4 A321XLR are the firm orders.


Thanks for this summary.

Flight Global has a daily tracker of all orders and options e.g.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-paris-air-show-2019-order-tracker-459019/?cmpid=SOC|Twitter|Flightglobal|sf214438462|sf214438462&sfid=701w0000000uP3H#sf214438462

Summary is really easy and near worst possible. "At just over 150 order commitment announcements – of which only 28 are firm – it marks the quietest day of a major air show in the seven years since FlightGlobal has been running its order tracker. "
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:16 pm

I don't think it's really the worst possible news. Both Airbus and Boeing have massive backlogs for their narrowbody products and healthy ones for their widebody products. You can't have positive book-to-build ratios forever.
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Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:30 pm

Armodeen wrote:
Seriously this! It’s really tough to filter the actual announcements from the chaff. Can the discussion perhaps go to the discussion thread please?

Bricktop wrote:
Children, children, can we keep the thread to orders and not speculation about specs or who may buy what to fly where? FFS, there are enough threads to post that stuff. When I saw 120+ posts I thought Airbus must be kicking some real ass. Nah, it's just a.net being a.net. :roll:


What can you say when the moderator is participating in it.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:26 am

PR should really order some A321LRs or even A321XLRs, it seems to fit their strategy better than 5J (which other than Dubai and Australia struggled hard in the long-haul market). Also while the 5J A330neo order makes sense and isn't unexpected, I can't help but feel that now may not have been the right time considering their retreat from long haul and how their A330s are still relatively new.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:30 am

BlueSky1976 wrote:
Air Lease orders 23 A321LR + 27 A321XLR + 50 A220-300.



Nice bump for the A220-300
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:40 am

zkojq wrote:
I don't think it's really the worst possible news. Both Airbus and Boeing have massive backlogs for their narrowbody products and healthy ones for their widebody products. You can't have positive book-to-build ratios forever.


near worst possible....not "worst possible". It seems, Airbus will go away from Paris Air Show with an according number of orders and options, especially as few bigger orders are already announced by the airlines and can be expected in next two days. But as Boeing has still much trouble; few more cancelled orders, two airlines with big Boeing order back log breaking down and Boeing will see not only a negative book to build ratio, they will even see a negative net order this year.

What is god, we have this listing by FlightGlobal and other listings from others and tomorrow and in two days, we will know more. Airbus has now 118 orders, MOU and swaps + few optons, Embraer/Boeing Brasil 39 orders and options. And all others did not got anything today.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-paris-air-show-2019-order-tracker-459019/?cmpid=SOC|Twitter|Flightglobal|sf214438462|sf214438462&sfid=701w0000000uP3H#sf214438462
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:11 am

grbauc wrote:
BlueSky1976 wrote:
Air Lease orders 23 A321LR + 27 A321XLR + 50 A220-300.



Nice bump for the A220-300


Has there been any indication which airlines will end up operating these?
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:15 am

Max Q wrote:
The A321XLR sounds like it will have impressive performance and economics

A few questions come to mind:

Is there a planned increase in maximum thrust ?


The gross weight is now up over 220,000 pounds, that’s a lot of weight on four main wheels, any chance of going to eight on a redesigned main bogie to keep the pavement loading reasonable ?


I don’t read anything about aerodynamic enhancements or additional wing area, my impression is this aircraft will spend a lot of time bumping around at lower flight levels with this additional weight and a wing that hasn’t changed essentially since the original A321



"The changes include: the new permanent Rear Centre Tank (RCT) for more fuel volume; a modified landing gear for an increased maximum take-off weight (MTOW) of 101 metric tonnes; and an optimised wing trailing-edge flap configuration to preserve the same take-off performance and engine thrust requirements as today’s A321neo. In particular, the new optimised RCT holds more fuel than several optional Additional Centre Tanks (ACTs) did previously, while taking up less space in the cargo hold – thus freeing-up underfloor volume for additional cargo and baggage on long range routes.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:15 am

msycajun wrote:
grbauc wrote:
BlueSky1976 wrote:
Air Lease orders 23 A321LR + 27 A321XLR + 50 A220-300.



Nice bump for the A220-300


Has there been any indication which airlines will end up operating these?


It's just a MoU right now. If they had any idea who was going to operate it, it would be firmer.

I'd love to see the A220 receive a 50 frame order, but I really don't count a MoU wth a leasing company without any known airline going to operate it as an "order".
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:02 am

When a leading leasing company like ALC places a large order for a type of plane it's always seen as a major boost for the program. It shows that the company has the confidence that the customer base will be large enough for an easy placement of these 50 frames with a large number of their customers. The firming up of this order might depend on securing a couple 1st customers, by announcing this MOU it only means that all airlines know that the A220 is also available through them.

The GECAS sale and leaseback deal with a start-up as MOXY also shows confidence, if the new airline doesn't work they are still confident that they can place those frames with other customers.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:16 am

It's now 7AM in Paris. Will there be more orders today? Let's see. AA XLR order?
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:51 am

Seems Cebu's announcement is scheduled for 10:30, so maybe no AA today?
https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/11 ... 4032496640
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:17 am

ITSTours wrote:
It's now 7AM in Paris. Will there be more orders today? Let's see. AA XLR order?


The day hasn't really started. At least give them time to eat their croissant and have their coffee
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:46 am

Someone83 wrote:
ITSTours wrote:
It's now 7AM in Paris. Will there be more orders today? Let's see. AA XLR order?


The day hasn't really started. At least give them time to eat their croissant and have their coffee

You just made me crave Paris Croissant!

gatibosgru wrote:
Seems Cebu's announcement is scheduled for 10:30, so maybe no AA today?
https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/11 ... 4032496640

This is weird, how come an open press event becomes 'exclusive'?
At the same time it is true only that guy is publicly saying it so is it under embargo then?
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:51 am

ITSTours wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
ITSTours wrote:
It's now 7AM in Paris. Will there be more orders today? Let's see. AA XLR order?


The day hasn't really started. At least give them time to eat their croissant and have their coffee

You just made me crave Paris Croissant!

gatibosgru wrote:
Seems Cebu's announcement is scheduled for 10:30, so maybe no AA today?
https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/11 ... 4032496640

This is weird, how come an open press event becomes 'exclusive'?
At the same time it is true only that guy is publicly saying it so is it under embargo then?


I think he means the news that Cebu will announce at 10:30am is exclusive.
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:52 am

After ALC looks like GECAS is also set to make an A321XLR order
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-fran ... SKCN1TJ0E6
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:55 am

scbriml wrote:
Max Q wrote:
The A321XLR sounds like it will have impressive performance and economics

A few questions come to mind:

Is there a planned increase in maximum thrust ?


The gross weight is now up over 220,000 pounds, that’s a lot of weight on four main wheels, any chance of going to eight on a redesigned main bogie to keep the pavement loading reasonable ?


I don’t read anything about aerodynamic enhancements or additional wing area, my impression is this aircraft will spend a lot of time bumping around at lower flight levels with this additional weight and a wing that hasn’t changed essentially since the original A321


All answered in the presser:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... 21xlr.html



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Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:59 am

gatibosgru wrote:
After ALC looks like GECAS is also set to make an A321XLR order
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-fran ... SKCN1TJ0E6

If this order comes through, it should have LEAP engines.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:16 am

Guys these threads have become too long. Can’t we just have announcements on these threads and individual threads to discuss each order please?
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:25 am

MileHFL400 wrote:
Guys these threads have become too long. Can’t we just have announcements on these threads and individual threads to discuss each order please?


Yes please!

I have to scroll and skim through so much to find the actual orders.

There have only been a dozen firm Airbus orders so far (+100 other commitments) BUT we are on page 4 and almost 200 replies... it's too much.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:07 am

If you guys want an order tracker alone - then use the flight global one. Much more succinct than any forum thread will ever be.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... er-459019/
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:27 am

I do love to talk about random things but PLEASE keep this thread just for News and Orders, I honestly don't want to read 4 full pages just to find out what orders were done by what airlines.

QF789, if you could update the first post with the Orders made.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:32 am

mjoelnir wrote:
Momo1435 wrote:
I think it will be very telling for this airshow that Airbus didn't launch the A321XLR with "X amount of orders and commitments" in their press release and on social media.

This airshow will not be about the orders and who has "won the show".


actually there was talked about 200 XLR on this show. I think it will mostly be declared conversions or perhaps some more MoU.


has there been any indication for conversions happening yet? Unless someone ordered the LR with some agreement along the line "IF Airbus makes an XLR we can convert to that" i don´t see any particular reason why Airbus would allow conversions, for anything but top$$ of course... what is an airline going to do? Threaten to canx the LR order and buy..... what?

Lots of "just" LoI and MoI i can see ...

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Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:33 am

Complete speculation - IF and WHEN AA Orders the rumored A321XLR, would they really do it at 3 A.M. CST? Could they do it at their standard 10:00 A.M. news time?
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:36 am

Cebu Air confirms the rumored order for A330neo and A321XLR and some more

From Reuters:

18-Jun-2019 10:34:02 - CEBU AIR SAYS ORDERS 16 AIRBUS A330NEO, 10 A321XLR, 5 A320NEO PLUS OPTIONS FOR 10 MORE A321NEO
SQ,MI,MH,CX,KA,CA,CZ,MU,KE,OZ,QF,NZ,FD,JQ,3K,5J,IT,AI,IC,QR,SK,LF,KL,AF,LH,LX,OS,SR,BA,SN,FR,WF,1I,5T,VZ,VX,AC,NW,UA,US,
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:37 am

Asiaflyer wrote:
Cebu Air confirms the rumored order for A330neo and A321XLR and some more

From Reuters:

18-Jun-2019 10:34:02 - CEBU AIR SAYS ORDERS 16 AIRBUS A330NEO, 10 A321XLR, 5 A320NEO PLUS OPTIONS FOR 10 MORE A321NEO


https://twitter.com/thatjohn/status/1140900503469068288

460 seats on the A330neo... have fun.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:45 am

Will 330Neo have a great 2019 sales result?
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:46 am

Ishrion wrote:
460 seats on the A330neo... have fun.


Surprisingly large order given the size of their current fleet.
But is the exit limit not 440 ?
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:53 am

Theseus wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
460 seats on the A330neo... have fun.


Surprisingly large order given the size of their current fleet.
But is the exit limit not 440 ?


Can they increase the door 3 size, and thus get more pax?
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:59 am

460 seats on the A330neo assuming an all Y configuration and 9 abreast is 52 rows. The seat pitch must be atrocious.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:02 am

P1aneMad wrote:
460 seats on the A330neo assuming an all Y configuration and 9 abreast is 52 rows. The seat pitch must be atrocious.


Sounds like the their specialty, cramming in more rows in the same fuselage space.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:02 am

https://twitter.com/VietnamAirlines/sta ... 4017809408

Looks like Vietnam Airlines is at PAS19 for a "special event"...
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:03 am

Airbus: "We care about passenger comfort with our 18.5" minimum seat width"....

Right up until the point where they can make money by no longer caring.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:05 am

Isn't the neo only certified for 440? Good news for Airbus anyway though
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:12 am

Theseus wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
460 seats on the A330neo... have fun.

Surprisingly large order given the size of their current fleet.
But is the exit limit not 440 ?

I think that they are probably replacing some of the current fleet. Yes, 440 is the exit limit and current A330 CEOs have 436 seats.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:12 am

Confirmed by Airbus but only an MoU.

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... 20neo.html
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:19 am

All you lot on about 460 in the A330neo but also 194 in the A320neo.

Both very cramped indeed.

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