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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:04 pm

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So it looks like Cebu Pacific A330neo will feature 460 seats and their new A320neos will have 194 seats.... Seat pitch is going to be brutal.


Sounds like Cebu would make NK's 28-inch seat pitch look spacious. Yikes...
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:05 pm

So the remaining “expected orders” are Spirit, Royal Jordanian and one US carrier (ordering A321Neo-XLR).
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:13 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
FlyHPN wrote:


While not a surprise to see DL order more A220s, it is rather surprising that it's for more A221s. Maybe more 221s will get built than ever imagined.


I don't have load factors or other data in front of me re: DL CS1/A221 performance, but anecdotally, it sounds like DL picked the perfect replacements for their Mad Dogs. I had the chance to fly one of these 221s on DFW-SLC a couple months ago and they're amazing planes. I too am surprised that they're opting for more adding 221s instead of 223s, but they're probably the best non-Boeing jets I've flown.
2019: DAL, MCI, PHX, LAS, DFW, SAT, ORD, SLC, SEA, DTW, PHL, MIA, LAX; B73G (WN x3), B738 (WN, AA, DL), A20N (NK), MD83 (AA), B788 (AA x2), CS1 (DL), B739 (DL), B712 (DL), B752 (AA), B763 (AA), B77W (AA), B789 (AA)
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:20 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
FlyHPN wrote:


While not a surprise to see DL order more A220s, it is rather surprising that it's for more A221s. Maybe more 221s will get built than ever imagined.


I don't have load factors or other data in front of me re: DL CS1/A221 performance, but anecdotally, it sounds like DL picked the perfect replacements for their Mad Dogs. I had the chance to fly one of these 221s on DFW-SLC a couple months ago and they're amazing planes. I too am surprised that they're opting for more adding 221s instead of 223s, but they're probably the best non-Boeing jets I've flown.


I wished that G4 would have gone the CSeries/A220 route. I too think they’re a great MD80-type replacement, and a stretch would have sealed the deal. Oh well...
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:24 pm

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So the remaining “expected orders” are Spirit, Royal Jordanian and one US carrier (ordering A321Neo-XLR).


There was a rumored GECAS XLR order too
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:28 pm

PlanesNTrains wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:

While not a surprise to see DL order more A220s, it is rather surprising that it's for more A221s. Maybe more 221s will get built than ever imagined.


I don't have load factors or other data in front of me re: DL CS1/A221 performance, but anecdotally, it sounds like DL picked the perfect replacements for their Mad Dogs. I had the chance to fly one of these 221s on DFW-SLC a couple months ago and they're amazing planes. I too am surprised that they're opting for more adding 221s instead of 223s, but they're probably the best non-Boeing jets I've flown.


I wished that G4 would have gone the CSeries/A220 route. I too think they’re a great MD80-type replacement, and a stretch would have sealed the deal. Oh well...


I could think of a few US-based airlines which could use the A220s in addition to DL and B6. I don't know if I'd go so far as to suggest G4 as a potential customer, given how the ULCCs like G4/F9/NK prefer a single-type (in this case, the A320 family). But, I'd be thrilled if AA decided to go for the A220 in the long-run, probably AS as well. I can't seem to recall of the top of my head, but I thought AC was considering the 220 as well for some reason.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:32 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:

I don't have load factors or other data in front of me re: DL CS1/A221 performance, but anecdotally, it sounds like DL picked the perfect replacements for their Mad Dogs. I had the chance to fly one of these 221s on DFW-SLC a couple months ago and they're amazing planes. I too am surprised that they're opting for more adding 221s instead of 223s, but they're probably the best non-Boeing jets I've flown.


I wished that G4 would have gone the CSeries/A220 route. I too think they’re a great MD80-type replacement, and a stretch would have sealed the deal. Oh well...


I could think of a few US-based airlines which could use the A220s in addition to DL and B6. I don't know if I'd go so far as to suggest G4 as a potential customer, given how the ULCCs like G4/F9/NK prefer a single-type (in this case, the A320 family). But, I'd be thrilled if AA decided to go for the A220 in the long-run, probably AS as well. I can't seem to recall of the top of my head, but I thought AC was considering the 220 as well for some reason.


AC has a large order for them. AS could convert their NEO order to them. But for G4 it would have been pre-Airbus when the CSeries needed a boost and G4 was having a lot of MD issues. Now it wouldn’t make sense.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:34 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
PlanesNTrains wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:

I don't have load factors or other data in front of me re: DL CS1/A221 performance, but anecdotally, it sounds like DL picked the perfect replacements for their Mad Dogs. I had the chance to fly one of these 221s on DFW-SLC a couple months ago and they're amazing planes. I too am surprised that they're opting for more adding 221s instead of 223s, but they're probably the best non-Boeing jets I've flown.


I wished that G4 would have gone the CSeries/A220 route. I too think they’re a great MD80-type replacement, and a stretch would have sealed the deal. Oh well...


I could think of a few US-based airlines which could use the A220s in addition to DL and B6. I don't know if I'd go so far as to suggest G4 as a potential customer, given how the ULCCs like G4/F9/NK prefer a single-type (in this case, the A320 family). But, I'd be thrilled if AA decided to go for the A220 in the long-run, probably AS as well. I can't seem to recall of the top of my head, but I thought AC was considering the 220 as well for some reason.

AC has 45 A220s on order.

G4 isn’t a potential customer. They go for cheap used planes unless they get new planes for a steal (eg the end of line A320ceos they ordered). Those deals won’t be offered on the A220. They will grow by picking up A320ceos other airlines dump for new Neos/Maxes.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:08 pm

gatibosgru wrote:
Do we know what the schedule for tomorrow is like? Any press conferences scheduled already?


We may see something from vietnam airlines someone said somewhere.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:18 pm

Arion640 wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
Do we know what the schedule for tomorrow is like? Any press conferences scheduled already?


We may see something from vietnam airlines someone said somewhere.


https://twitter.com/VietnamAirlines/sta ... 4017809408

It might've been just for Skytrax...
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:19 pm

I think this plane would make sense for NK and F9 as they would be able to tap into the G4 type secondary markets with it.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:24 pm

freakyrat wrote:
I think this plane would make sense for NK and F9 as they would be able to tap into the G4 type secondary markets with it.


F9: DEN to Hawaii?
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:38 pm

DENfan wrote:
freakyrat wrote:
I think this plane would make sense for NK and F9 as they would be able to tap into the G4 type secondary markets with it.


F9: DEN to Hawaii?


F9 PHL-LGW.

But seriously, that would be an interesting stir to the Hawaii market after Southwest joined.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:21 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
FlyHPN wrote:


While not a surprise to see DL order more A220s, it is rather surprising that it's for more A221s. Maybe more 221s will get built than ever imagined.


To me the biggest surprise is that all Airbus was able to get out of Delta for the show was 5 birds. I was expecting Delta to execute on at least some of their 321neo options in converting them to XLRs. Of course there could be a further announcement, but I don't think they would make a stand alone announcement for 5 planes if there was going to be a larger order.

Perhaps I am reading too much in to it, but to me it would mean that they are read in to the fate of the NMA and are satisfied.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:28 pm

FlyHPN wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
FlyHPN wrote:


While not a surprise to see DL order more A220s, it is rather surprising that it's for more A221s. Maybe more 221s will get built than ever imagined.


To me the biggest surprise is that all Airbus was able to get out of Delta for the show was 5 birds. I was expecting Delta to execute on at least some of their 321neo options in converting them to XLRs. Of course there could be a further announcement, but I don't think they would make a stand alone announcement for 5 planes if there was going to be a larger order.

Perhaps I am reading too much in to it, but to me it would mean that they are read in to the fate of the NMA and are satisfied.


Please note, it was not a stand alone. The bigger part is the second part off the announcement. Delta has now an agreement with Airbus and will provide a complete ful service TecOps for A220 users, so for all airlines, who will order them and are not able to perform the maintenace of them, because they are to small. They will also provide spare parts for other airlines e.g.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:33 pm

T4thH wrote:
FlyHPN wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:

While not a surprise to see DL order more A220s, it is rather surprising that it's for more A221s. Maybe more 221s will get built than ever imagined.


To me the biggest surprise is that all Airbus was able to get out of Delta for the show was 5 birds. I was expecting Delta to execute on at least some of their 321neo options in converting them to XLRs. Of course there could be a further announcement, but I don't think they would make a stand alone announcement for 5 planes if there was going to be a larger order.

Perhaps I am reading too much in to it, but to me it would mean that they are read in to the fate of the NMA and are satisfied.


Please note, it was not a stand alone. The bigger part is the second part off the announcement. Delta has now an agreement with Airbus and will provide a complete ful service TecOps for A220 users, so for all airlines, who will order them and are not able to perform the maintenace of them, because they are to small. They will also provide spare parts for other airlines e.g.
This is a nice big market to earn much money in the next few decades.


Fair point
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:37 pm

FlyHPN wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
FlyHPN wrote:


While not a surprise to see DL order more A220s, it is rather surprising that it's for more A221s. Maybe more 221s will get built than ever imagined.


To me the biggest surprise is that all Airbus was able to get out of Delta for the show was 5 birds. I was expecting Delta to execute on at least some of their 321neo options in converting them to XLRs. Of course there could be a further announcement, but I don't think they would make a stand alone announcement for 5 planes if there was going to be a larger order.

Perhaps I am reading too much in to it, but to me it would mean that they are read in to the fate of the NMA and are satisfied.


Airbus has to save some orders for when the airshow isn't on home advantage :duck:
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:00 pm

Ishrion wrote:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2019/06/saudi-arabian-airlines-to-boost-a320neo-family-fleet-up-to-100.html

Saudi Arabia increases A320neo order from 35 to 100 with 35 options, for a total of 65 of the neo family with 15 A321XLRs.



Nice bump Saudi Arabia are they expanding or replacing current stuff?
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:03 pm

Ishrion wrote:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2019/06/airasia-upsizes-a320neo-order-to-larger-a321neo.html

AirAsia converts 253 A320neo to A321neos.


wow thats a lot of A321 Nice :bigthumbsup: I became a fan of the A321 back in the HP/US early days. It's amazing to watch how this plane at first wasn't doing Transcons to now doing international TA flights.. Bravo :yes:
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:06 pm

grbauc wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2019/06/saudi-arabian-airlines-to-boost-a320neo-family-fleet-up-to-100.html

Saudi Arabia increases A320neo order from 35 to 100 with 35 options, for a total of 65 of the neo family with 15 A321XLRs.



Nice bump Saudi Arabia are they expanding or replacing current stuff?


Going from 35 A320neo family to 100 including 35 options. So basically 65 confirmed. 15 will be A321XLRs.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:11 pm

So, were there any orders today or are all 6 pages nothing but speculation and analysis of speculation, like this entire page. These threads are a mess.

late edit - Thank You lshrion.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:15 pm

mham001 wrote:
So, were there any orders today or are all 6 pages nothing but speculation and analysis of speculation, like this entire page. These threads are a mess.

late edit - Thank You lshrion.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/analysis-paris-air-show-2019-order-tracker-459019/
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:17 pm

grbauc wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2019/06/saudi-arabian-airlines-to-boost-a320neo-family-fleet-up-to-100.html

Saudi Arabia increases A320neo order from 35 to 100 with 35 options, for a total of 65 of the neo family with 15 A321XLRs.



Nice bump Saudi Arabia are they expanding or replacing current stuff?


Mostly replacing the current A320/321ceo fleet which have started to be retired anyway. They would also seem to replace the wet-leased A330s with A321s and 787-10s.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:22 pm

Ishrion wrote:
grbauc wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2019/06/saudi-arabian-airlines-to-boost-a320neo-family-fleet-up-to-100.html

Saudi Arabia increases A320neo order from 35 to 100 with 35 options, for a total of 65 of the neo family with 15 A321XLRs.



Nice bump Saudi Arabia are they expanding or replacing current stuff?


Going from 35 A320neo family to 100 including 35 options. So basically 65 confirmed. 15 will be A321XLRs.



My bad if you meant current fleet and not orders
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:30 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
grbauc wrote:


Nice bump Saudi Arabia are they expanding or replacing current stuff?


Going from 35 A320neo family to 100 including 35 options. So basically 65 confirmed. 15 will be A321XLRs.



My bad if you meant current fleet and not orders



I was wondering And i wasn't clear if Saudi is expanding or just replacing current planes. I've been seeing there name more and more and with the big 3 kinda declining or slowing down It would be interesting to see a Middle eastern airline growing while the big 3 or contracting..
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:50 pm

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I think this plane would make sense for NK and F9 as they would be able to tap into the G4 type secondary markets with it.


F9 would be able to replace their A319's and use the A220 in the secondary cities that the pre ULCC F9 A319's flew to.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:18 am

Fewer XLR orders than I expected, but I think EIA being 3.5 years away has a lot to do with that.

On the one hand, Airbus' backlog is full, and there was no rush to deliver XLR quickly, and this way they can probably fund the program through usual Business Continuity schemes.

On the other hand, there is also not much point for a big airline to announce a huge XLR order right now with deliveries that far out.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:44 am

Qantas Group has added 36 A321XLR, 26 of which are conversions from the A321neo and 10 new added to the order. They are leaving the door open at this stage to Qantas itself operating the aircraft and not just limiting it to Jetstar.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-adds-ai ... paign=news
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:22 am

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Qantas Group has added 36 A321XLR, 26 of which are conversions from the A321neo and 10 new added to the order. They are leaving the door open at this stage to Qantas itself operating the aircraft and not just limiting it to Jetstar.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-adds-ai ... paign=news


Looks likely a few will be for QF. Seems the perfect aircraft to open up international flights from HBA, CBR, ADL etc. Great news!
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:30 am

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Qantas Group has added 36 A321XLR, 26 of which are conversions from the A321neo and 10 new added to the order. They are leaving the door open at this stage to Qantas itself operating the aircraft and not just limiting it to Jetstar.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-adds-ai ... paign=news

Wow, that early? It’s half past six in Paris...

I guess an announcement will follow later today.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:13 am

N14AZ wrote:
Qantas737 wrote:
Qantas Group has added 36 A321XLR, 26 of which are conversions from the A321neo and 10 new added to the order. They are leaving the door open at this stage to Qantas itself operating the aircraft and not just limiting it to Jetstar.

https://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-adds-ai ... paign=news

Wow, that early? It’s half past six in Paris...

I guess an announcement will follow later today.

They probably had to announce to the Australian share market before the close of business (in about 50 minutes), as there is usually a requirement to declare major news like this in a prompt matter.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:15 am

grbauc wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2019/06/airasia-upsizes-a320neo-order-to-larger-a321neo.html

AirAsia converts 253 A320neo to A321neos.


wow thats a lot of A321 Nice :bigthumbsup: I became a fan of the A321 back in the HP/US early days. It's amazing to watch how this plane at first wasn't doing Transcons to now doing international TA flights.. Bravo :yes:


Going on a list price of c $130m for an A321 and $110m for an A320 that is $5Bn extra business at list, and is the equivalent of 45 extra A320
Big news for the A321

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Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:46 am

Qantas backs the A321XLR with an agreement for 36 aircraft

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Le Bourget - Australia’s Qantas Airways Limited is backing Airbus’ new extended range A321XLR with an agreement covering 36 aircraft. This includes the conversion of 26 existing A320neo Family orders plus a new firm order for 10 A321XLRs.


https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2019/06/qantas-backs-the-a321xlr-with-an-agreement-for-36-aircraft.html
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:39 am

Gee... a rendering in full Qantas colors!
Looks pretty sweet.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:18 am

Indigo Partners says to order 50 A321XLR
The 50 aircraft will be split between Wizz Air, Frontier and Jetsmart.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:19 am

Indigo Partners has ordered 50x A321Xlr,.

"Huge stuff for Airbus once again! A total of 50 A321XLRs have been ordered for Wizz Air, Frontier and JetSmart - They’re all a part of Indigo Partners! The A321XLR is killing it! #PAS19"

https://twitter.com/DjsAviation/status/1141257861302898688

Slowly, we are getting near to the 200...
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:27 am

Indigo order is here. IndiGo shouldn't be too far away.
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:29 am

T4thH wrote:
Slowly, we are getting near to the 200...

Where are we right now?

And is this final day? Or will we have announcement tomorrow as well (please not! These announcements during my working time are rather disturbing... :duck: )
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:31 am

T4thH wrote:
Indigo Partners has ordered 50x A321Xlr,.

"Huge stuff for Airbus once again! A total of 50 A321XLRs have been ordered for Wizz Air, Frontier and JetSmart - They’re all a part of Indigo Partners! The A321XLR is killing it! #PAS19"

https://twitter.com/DjsAviation/status/1141257861302898688

Slowly, we are getting near to the 200...

Update:
IndiGo Partners have ordered 50 Airbus A321XLR aircraft. to be used across their Wizz Air, Frontier and JetStart brands. 32 will be new orders and 18 conversions from the A320neo order #PAS19

20 Wizz Air
18 Frontier
12 JetStart
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:34 am

T4thH wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Indigo Partners has ordered 50x A321Xlr,.

"Huge stuff for Airbus once again! A total of 50 A321XLRs have been ordered for Wizz Air, Frontier and JetSmart - They’re all a part of Indigo Partners! The A321XLR is killing it! #PAS19"

https://twitter.com/DjsAviation/status/1141257861302898688

Slowly, we are getting near to the 200...

Update:
IndiGo Partners have ordered 50 Airbus A321XLR aircraft. to be used across their Wizz Air, Frontier and JetStart brands. 32 will be new orders and 18 conversions from the A320neo order #PAS19

20 Wizz Air
18 Frontier
12 JetStart

I know it is confusing, but Indigo Partners is a holding company with interests in several airlines, including WizzAir, Frontier, and Jet Smart. IndiGo is a totally unrelated Indian LCC airline, which is also expected to order more planes soon, maybe this week.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:53 am

T4thH wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Indigo Partners has ordered 50x A321Xlr,.

"Huge stuff for Airbus once again! A total of 50 A321XLRs have been ordered for Wizz Air, Frontier and JetSmart - They’re all a part of Indigo Partners! The A321XLR is killing it! #PAS19"

https://twitter.com/DjsAviation/status/1141257861302898688

Slowly, we are getting near to the 200...

Update:
IndiGo Partners have ordered 50 Airbus A321XLR aircraft. to be used across their Wizz Air, Frontier and JetStart brands. 32 will be new orders and 18 conversions from the A320neo order #PAS19

20 Wizz Air
18 Frontier
12 JetStart



Wizzair flying long haul is going to scare the EU3.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:11 am

zkojq wrote:
Wizzair flying long haul is going to scare the EU3.


only if they start offering J and PE and daily, or almost daily, year round schedules. Not that they never will, but i don´t see it. I´d think they rather create more traffic.

But if you are Condor, Thomson or one of the other long haul used to be charter airlines, you may worry a bit.

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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:20 am

And next: Confirmation of prior announced order by China Airlines.

"Also previously announced but now confirmed at @parisairshow is that @ChinaairlinesEN has decided to go with the @Airbus #A321neo. The airline signed a MOU for an order for 11 aircraft and will also lease an additional 14 A321neos via lessors. #avgeek #chinaairlines #pas19"

https://twitter.com/scramble_nl/status/1141272904149164032
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:24 am

As already announced yesterday and now official confirmed in press conference. Big deal for Delta Airlines TecOps, provideing A220 maintenacem spare part storage and delivery to others (for next decades).

"#AirbusServices launch #A220 FHS with ⁦@DeltaTechOps⁩ at the Airbus Services press briefing. #PAS19"

https://twitter.com/MarkCrompton88/status/1141272897769615360
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:24 am

Just a quick observation on the XLR orders.

The XLR seems to be a niche need for many airlines. Many airlines have a need for the XLR's performance and narrowbody profile, but the airlines don't need too many of them in their fleet. It seems the airlines aren't going to base entire narrowbody fleets around the XLR.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:29 am

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max999 wrote:
Just a quick observation on the XLR orders.

The XLR seems to be a niche need for many airlines. Many airlines have a need for the XLR's performance and narrowbody profile, but the airlines don't need too many of them in their fleet. It seems the airlines aren't going to base entire narrowbody fleets around the XLR.


Of course not. Everyone needs them but only few. And as it is still a regular (just pimped) A321, they (the airlines) are able t buy just these needed small numbers (what they would never do with a new clean sheet design, regular something of minimum 20 birds is needed, else the maintenance e.g. will eat all benefits).

According what I have heard/read, some expects around 15 to 20 % in total of all A321 will be A321 LR and/or A321 Xlr. And we just see now these orders.

And regarding this it is also a killer bird for a clean sheet design of the Boeing NMA/979. Yes there is a global market still left for the NMA, and no, not for many of the airlines, as they will have to order a minimum number, else the maintenance of too small numbers will eat the potential benefit. The A321 Xlr (and also prior the A321 itseld and the A321 LR versions) have already reduced the useful numbers of NMA per airline, for many of them below the minimum needed number.

And regarding this, it is highly likely, that just not enough NMA will be ordered. The global need for the NMA is there, but as the numbers/airline are for many of them below the minimum needed numbers, the NMA will not be a success as just not enough will be ordered.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:43 am

zkojq wrote:
T4thH wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Indigo Partners has ordered 50x A321Xlr,.

"Huge stuff for Airbus once again! A total of 50 A321XLRs have been ordered for Wizz Air, Frontier and JetSmart - They’re all a part of Indigo Partners! The A321XLR is killing it! #PAS19"

https://twitter.com/DjsAviation/status/1141257861302898688

Slowly, we are getting near to the 200...

Update:
IndiGo Partners have ordered 50 Airbus A321XLR aircraft. to be used across their Wizz Air, Frontier and JetStart brands. 32 will be new orders and 18 conversions from the A320neo order #PAS19

20 Wizz Air
18 Frontier
12 JetStart



Wizzair flying long haul is going to scare the EU3.

Well DY didn't scare them with bigger planes and bigger capacity, i guess wizz can't scare them much more than they are already :) imho
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:43 am

IAG and in particular Aer Lingus are going to sell the A321XLR to the world. They'll be the case study which Airbus direct prospective customers to time and time again; major expansion at minimal risk, relatively low investment, no major training or maintenance adjustments and airframes operating 18 hours or more a day through high season and low with the asset holding its worth throughout its life which will run to 25 or 30 years.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:55 am

T4thH wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Indigo Partners has ordered 50x A321Xlr,.

"Huge stuff for Airbus once again! A total of 50 A321XLRs have been ordered for Wizz Air, Frontier and JetSmart - They’re all a part of Indigo Partners! The A321XLR is killing it! #PAS19"

https://twitter.com/DjsAviation/status/1141257861302898688

Slowly, we are getting near to the 200...

Update:
IndiGo Partners have ordered 50 Airbus A321XLR aircraft. to be used across their Wizz Air, Frontier and JetStart brands. 32 will be new orders and 18 conversions from the A320neo order #PAS19

20 Wizz Air
18 Frontier
12 JetStart


For which destinations do these airlines need the range of the XLR? Hard to see anything the standard A321neo cannot reach....
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:07 am

frigatebird wrote:
T4thH wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Indigo Partners has ordered 50x A321Xlr,.

"Huge stuff for Airbus once again! A total of 50 A321XLRs have been ordered for Wizz Air, Frontier and JetSmart - They’re all a part of Indigo Partners! The A321XLR is killing it! #PAS19"

https://twitter.com/DjsAviation/status/1141257861302898688

Slowly, we are getting near to the 200...

Update:
IndiGo Partners have ordered 50 Airbus A321XLR aircraft. to be used across their Wizz Air, Frontier and JetStart brands. 32 will be new orders and 18 conversions from the A320neo order #PAS19

20 Wizz Air
18 Frontier
12 JetStart


For which destinations do these airlines need the range of the XLR? Hard to see anything the standard A321neo cannot reach....


Those they didn't start yet due to their aircraft not having the legs...

Best regards
Thomas
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