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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:09 am

frigatebird wrote:
T4thH wrote:
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Indigo Partners has ordered 50x A321Xlr,.

"Huge stuff for Airbus once again! A total of 50 A321XLRs have been ordered for Wizz Air, Frontier and JetSmart - They’re all a part of Indigo Partners! The A321XLR is killing it! #PAS19"

https://twitter.com/DjsAviation/status/1141257861302898688

Slowly, we are getting near to the 200...

Update:
IndiGo Partners have ordered 50 Airbus A321XLR aircraft. to be used across their Wizz Air, Frontier and JetStart brands. 32 will be new orders and 18 conversions from the A320neo order #PAS19

20 Wizz Air
18 Frontier
12 JetStart


For which destinations do these airlines need the range of the XLR? Hard to see anything the standard A321neo cannot reach....


Wizzair would like to go deeper intoo India maybe, or more flights to the caucusus or Dubai.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:54 am

where is the much rumoured AA XLR order?!
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:56 am

by738 wrote:
where is the much rumoured AA XLR order?!


Murmurings that a major order will be coming from one of the US3 at 9am Eastern time, to coincide with stock markets/business days, I'd expect this to be American if it does come to fruition, but equally United and Delta have been linked to Airbus orders at the show too...
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:57 am

Why does Frontier need an XLR? Either way congrats to Airbus!
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:03 am

Accipiter Holdings purchases 20 A320neo aircraft. Was already announced prior (in Mar-2019) as undisclosed, it is now a purchase agreement.

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2019/06/accipiter-holdings-purchases-20-a320neo-aircraft.html
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:06 am

Where would Wizz need the XLR variant to fly to from its bases at LTN,VIE,WAW,OTP,SOF,BEG ? The farthest they fly west is the Canaries and Dubai to the east and they are covred with the Neos
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:11 am

marcogr12 wrote:
Where would Wizz need the XLR variant to fly to from its bases at LTN,VIE,WAW,OTP,SOF,BEG ? The farthest they fly west is the Canaries and Dubai to the east and they are covred with the Neos

To fly to some new additional destinations little bit further away? Wizz is a single type/family (A320 family) airline, more range, more destinations are possible.

So the key words, are: NEW, ADDITIONAL and DESTINATIONS.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:23 am

T4thH wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
Where would Wizz need the XLR variant to fly to from its bases at LTN,VIE,WAW,OTP,SOF,BEG ? The farthest they fly west is the Canaries and Dubai to the east and they are covred with the Neos

To fly to some new additional destinations little bit further away? Wizz is a single type/family (A320 family) airline, more range, more destinations are possible.

So the key words, are: NEW, ADDITIONAL and DESTINATIONS.


I'm really confused also, where Wizz Air will use A321XLR. They are now able to fly BUD-DWC and KUT-LTN with current A320CEO. They will get more boost with NEO family in terms of range, so I see they can serve any reasonable (Canaries, Dubai, Egypt) point they want from their bases in CEE where there are reasons to fly.

Wizz Air CEO said they will go for destinations 7-8 hours from CEE. Where? They are not able to go to NYC as this is 9-10 hours and this may need very low-density config of A321XLR. I believe Wizz Air will still put as many seats as reasonable to A321XLR so where they will fly from CEE? India or the Middle East do not have many VFR traffic to Eastern Europe.

Is there a strategy to create more AOC's going further east and open bases in Kazakhstan or other CIS countries?

EDIT: Just read on their linkedin: "The A321XLR variant will be operated with 239 seats, the same as the A321neo to ensure full fleet commonality with Wizz Air’s existing fleet.". So, definitely no USA from CEE.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:26 am

They have a significant base at LTN... one stop (for Eastern Europe) routes to North America?
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:28 am

If Wizzair keeps the current 321neo config of 239pax how will that affect the XLR range compared to a lighter 180-seat A321 that e.g. EI will use?
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:36 am

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They have a significant base at LTN... one stop (for Eastern Europe) routes to North America?

They do have a significant base at LTN, but LTN is laid out as an O&D airport. No transit facilities for passengers (all international arrivals have to cross the UK border) and no transfer facilities for baggage. Obviously these things are possible to fix, at a price, and given time, but the airport is very short of space both within the terminal and on the ramp.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:40 am

smbukas wrote:
T4thH wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
Where would Wizz need the XLR variant to fly to from its bases at LTN,VIE,WAW,OTP,SOF,BEG ? The farthest they fly west is the Canaries and Dubai to the east and they are covred with the Neos

To fly to some new additional destinations little bit further away? Wizz is a single type/family (A320 family) airline, more range, more destinations are possible.

So the key words, are: NEW, ADDITIONAL and DESTINATIONS.


I'm really confused also, where Wizz Air will use A321XLR. They are now able to fly BUD-DWC and KUT-LTN with current A320CEO. They will get more boost with NEO family in terms of range, so I see they can serve any reasonable (Canaries, Dubai, Egypt) point they want from their bases in CEE where there are reasons to fly.

Wizz Air CEO said they will go for destinations 7-8 hours from CEE. Where? They are not able to go to NYC as this is 9-10 hours and this may need very low-density config of A321XLR. I believe Wizz Air will still put as many seats as reasonable to A321XLR so where they will fly from CEE? India or the Middle East do not have many VFR traffic to Eastern Europe.

Is there a strategy to create more AOC's going further east and open bases in Kazakhstan or other CIS countries?

EDIT: Just read on their linkedin: "The A321XLR variant will be operated with 239 seats, the same as the A321neo to ensure full fleet commonality with Wizz Air’s existing fleet.". So, definitely no USA from CEE.

Wizz is building up several other bases now in Europe, like in Vienna, have new founded Wizz UK e.g.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:43 am

marcogr12 wrote:
If Wizzair keeps the current 321neo config of 239pax how will that affect the XLR range compared to a lighter 180-seat A321 that e.g. EI will use?


lets say 52t basic weight, 24t Passenger and bags, 25t for fuel..... ~4000 liters less than it can hold..... 75-90 min less range i would think....

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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:59 am

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where is the much rumoured AA XLR order?!

Expect it to come soon, comprising 50 A321XLR in total whereof 30 conversions of existing orders.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:59 am

JamesCousins wrote:
by738 wrote:
where is the much rumoured AA XLR order?!


Murmurings that a major order will be coming from one of the US3 at 9am Eastern time, to coincide with stock markets/business days, I'd expect this to be American if it does come to fruition, but equally United and Delta have been linked to Airbus orders at the show too...

Who else is excited? :D
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:05 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
Where would Wizz need the XLR variant to fly to from its bases at LTN,VIE,WAW,OTP,SOF,BEG ? The farthest they fly west is the Canaries and Dubai to the east and they are covred with the Neos


Payload range? (with the MTOW increase)
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:06 pm

Bloomberg just said on live TV that AA is ordering 50 XLR but can't find any sources online yet.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:09 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
If Wizzair keeps the current 321neo config of 239pax how will that affect the XLR range compared to a lighter 180-seat A321 that e.g. EI will use?


It will reduce range, but that's the point. WizzAir's A321ceo range is lower than say Delta's because of the denser config, same with the A321neo, and eventually the A321XLR. Just because WizzAir can't utilize all of the range available on a less densely configured A321XLR, doesn't mean it won't provide more range than what they already have in the fleet.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:14 pm

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/19/america ... plane.html

CNBC is also reporting it. I would expect DL to convert some and place a top-up as well, and considering the NMA seems to be more than a decade away at this point.

Regarding the CI order, I got confused considering all the XLR orders. I would expect Wizz to go TATL with the XLR. It has the footing to do so, and they have 4 years to prep.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:20 pm

I guess Airbus is really happy with theses conversions: it adds value to the backlog and more breathing room to organize earlier deliveries for the neo if a customer needs it.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:26 pm

Still not confirmed?
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:27 pm

Accipiter Holdings purchases 20 A320neo aircraft

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... craft.html

edit: sorry already posted
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:31 pm

I guess we'll see if these 30 conversions AA is allegedly doing will be before 2023. I'm still confused about the availability of the XLR, but given that this has been the biggest upgrade to the A321 frame since '96 I would think it would take a few years.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:34 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Still not confirmed?


Apparently at 15 CEST/ 9 Eastern
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:15 pm

Scherer's investor presentation today said 9 customers for the XLR. How many have they revealed so far?
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:36 pm

Confirmation from Airbus: American Airlines agrees to order 50 Airbus A321XLRs

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2019/06/american-airlines-agrees-to-order-50-airbus-a321xlrs.html
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:37 pm

AA order details - 50 XLRs, 30 A321Neos converted to XLR, and 20 Neo options exercised to XLRs with delivery in 2025.

Will be used primarily on Europe and South America routes.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:39 pm

That is awesome! 757 replacement strategy secured. Congrats American Airlines and Airbus!
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:39 pm

JamesCousins wrote:
marcogr12 wrote:
If Wizzair keeps the current 321neo config of 239pax how will that affect the XLR range compared to a lighter 180-seat A321 that e.g. EI will use?


It will reduce range, but that's the point. WizzAir's A321ceo range is lower than say Delta's because of the denser config, same with the A321neo, and eventually the A321XLR. Just because WizzAir can't utilize all of the range available on a less densely configured A321XLR, doesn't mean it won't provide more range than what they already have in the fleet.

The xLR is a far better configuration for high density. IMHO it will enable the most miserable TATL experience yet! :devil:

Seriously, options sell aircraft and the xLR fills multiple roles dependent on configuration.

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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:43 pm

Folks, keep the PAS topics on topic.
The moderators are having to delete and warn or even ban far too often this week. We are volunteer enthusiasts who come here for our interests, not to be a schoolyard monitors.
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:48 pm

JetBuddy wrote:
That is awesome! 757 replacement strategy secured. Congrats American Airlines and Airbus!

Yes, finally one is using it as a real B757 replacement (and not doing something else).. And with 50 also a nice big order till nnow, the biggest by an airline. IndiGo Airlines is still to be to expected. IndiGo will never order someting on another way than huge or biggest.

I am a fan of the B757-200...sad to know, it will be replaced.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:55 pm

I wonder what the config will be! Congrats Airbus and AA! I hope they rotate them on BOS-LAX
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:02 pm

I would think that the A321XLR would be perfect for Iceland Air. Maybe I missed a comment earlier, but is there a reason why they wouldn't want to order this type? Even with the economy being down and them just surviving the fare war with WOW, placing the order now would seem to make sense.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:08 pm

Is the 321XLR becoming the true traditional hub bypass the 787 was supposed to become?
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:15 pm

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The xLR is a far better configuration for high density. IMHO it will enable the most miserable TATL experience yet! :devil:


Any A320 has wider seats than your regular 10-ab 777 and 9-ab 787.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:16 pm

Travelmanager wrote:
I would think that the A321XLR would be perfect for Iceland Air. Maybe I missed a comment earlier, but is there a reason why they wouldn't want to order this type? Even with the economy being down and them just surviving the fare war with WOW, placing the order now would seem to make sense.

The XLR has less space in the cargo for fish.
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:19 pm

B737Driver wrote:
AA order details - 50 XLRs, 30 A321Neos converted to XLR, and 20 Neo options exercised to XLRs with delivery in 2025.

Will be used primarily on Europe and South America routes.

So conversions and exercising options. Not really a new order in reality, but a few more bucks in Airbus's pocket 5 years from now. :thumbsup:
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:20 pm

Strato2 wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
The xLR is a far better configuration for high density. IMHO it will enable the most miserable TATL experience yet! :devil:


Any A320 has wider seats than your regular 10-ab 777 and 9-ab 787.

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Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:23 pm

BestWestern wrote:
Is the 321XLR becoming the true traditional hub bypass the 787 was supposed to become?

For shorter routes from secondary cities, it might very well fill that function. Apples and oranges comparison, but not off the wall.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:28 pm

can't wait to fly these new birds!
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:42 pm

OK, here is a summary of A321XLR orders at the end of Day 3:

American Airlines 30 conversions 20 new firm orders (from options)
Indigo Partners MoU 18 conversions 32 new orders
Qantas 26 conversions and 10 new firm orders
IAG 14 new firm orders
Saudia 15 new firm orders
Cebu Pacific MoU 10 new orders
Middle East Airlines 4 new firm orders
ALC LoI 27 new orders

MoU/LoI - 87
Firm - 119

Conversions - 74
New Orders - 132

GRAND TOTAL 206
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:48 pm

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OK, here is a summary of A321XLR orders at the end of Day 3:

American Airlines 30 conversions 20 new firm orders (from options)
Indigo Partners MoU 18 conversions 32 new orders
Qantas 26 conversions and 10 new firm orders
IAG 14 new firm orders
Saudia 15 new firm orders
Cebu Pacific MoU 10 new orders
Middle East Airlines 4 new firm orders
ALC LoI 27 new orders

MoU/LoI - 87
Firm - 119

Conversions - 74
New Orders - 132

GRAND TOTAL 206


Well hopefully delta will order some but knowing us we will wait for a better deal and end up with something about to be orphaned.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:49 pm

flee wrote:
OK, here is a summary of A321XLR orders at the end of Day 3:

American Airlines 30 conversions 20 new firm orders (from options)
Indigo Partners MoU 18 conversions 32 new orders
Qantas 26 conversions and 10 new firm orders
IAG 14 new firm orders
Saudia 15 new firm orders
Cebu Pacific MoU 10 new orders
Middle East Airlines 4 new firm orders
ALC LoI 27 new orders

MoU/LoI - 87
Firm - 119

Conversions - 74
New Orders - 132

GRAND TOTAL 206

According Airbus CEO news conference today, it shall be already 9. So we have missed one or one is still on it's way to be announced.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:52 pm

Not sure how he counted - Indigo Partners/Qantas/IAG all have multiple airlines in their groups. ALC will have lots of airline customers for their 27 orders.
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:11 pm

flee wrote:
Not sure how he counted - Indigo Partners/Qantas/IAG all have multiple airlines in their groups. ALC will have lots of airline customers for their 27 orders.

IndiGo Partners, Qantas, IAG must all have counted as one, else we would be far above the already announced by Scherer 9 today. One is still missing or just not official published e.g. or it is part of a bigger deal, the whole deal is still not closed, the XLR part is.

If I remember correctly, IndiGo Airlines will announce a big Airbus order in Jun-2019.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Airbus News and Orders Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:24 pm

Pretty quiet airshow for jetblue. Anyone think they will make any noise tomorrow with an XLR order/conversion or firming of any 220 options?
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:30 pm

Indigo Partners MoU 18 conversions 32 new orders


12 of those will go to JetSmart (Argentina & Chile). Ideal for routes such as EPA-MIA/FLL, EPA-CUN, EPA-PUJ, same from SCL, ROS, COR, MDZ, etc.
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:18 pm

impilot wrote:
Pretty quiet airshow for jetblue. Anyone think they will make any noise tomorrow with an XLR order/conversion or firming of any 220 options?


Yes, I am waiting for an XLR conversion/order. That airplane is for them!!!
 
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:27 pm

B737Driver wrote:
AA order details - 50 XLRs, 30 A321Neos converted to XLR, and 20 Neo options exercised to XLRs with delivery in 2025.

Will be used primarily on Europe and South America routes.


Do you know when the conversions are being delivered?
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Wed Jun 19, 2019 4:53 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
B737Driver wrote:
AA order details - 50 XLRs, 30 A321Neos converted to XLR, and 20 Neo options exercised to XLRs with delivery in 2025.

Will be used primarily on Europe and South America routes.


Do you know when the conversions are being delivered?


The post you quoted says "2025".
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