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Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:47 am

Welcome to the official thread for the Paris Air Show for Pictures and General Discussion. Please add your comments below

Just a friendly reminder to keep the debate on topic and to keep all flamebait out of the discussion

Aircraft on display include Air Tahiti Nui 789 F-OVAA, Thai AirAsia X first A330-900neo and Embraer E195-E2

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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:39 am

There is no doubt that the 737MAX grounding will be one of the biggest stories at this show. I suspect Boeing will have to discuss what progress is underway to deal with the grounding.

As to orders, it could very interesting.
    The disruptions from the 737MAX grounding and limited ability of Airbus to supply aircraft to those who don't want 737MAX's.
    The trade and tariff disputes of the USA with China and elsewhere.
    The up and down of fuel prices.
    A possible war in Iran led by the USA.
    A likely downturn in the world's economic situation in the next year or so.
    Brexit and its known unknowns, with UK based carriers hedging as to purchases as well as possible disruptions of component manufacturing for Airbus in the UK.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:44 pm

The Eviation Alice all electric commuter aircraft prototype is finally unveiled.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... c-aircraft
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Sun Jun 16, 2019 3:56 pm

ltbewr wrote:
There is no doubt that the 737MAX grounding will be one of the biggest stories at this show. I suspect Boeing will have to discuss what progress is underway to deal with the grounding.


They've been doing that with customers since the day the certificates were pulled so neither party would be at Paris for that reason.

The general media who only cover aviation during Paris/Farnborough are currently writing about it in relation to Paris, but I would not be surprised if Boeing makes no public statements about it during the show.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:55 pm

6 Boeing company jets arrived in LBG today so they are not hiding from the show.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:15 pm

alberchico wrote:
The Eviation Alice all electric commuter aircraft prototype is finally unveiled.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... c-aircraft
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I couldn't help but notice in the background what appears to be an AF 747-200. Is this on permanent display?
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:39 pm

global2 wrote:
alberchico wrote:
The Eviation Alice all electric commuter aircraft prototype is finally unveiled.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... c-aircraft
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I couldn't help but notice in the background what appears to be an AF 747-200. Is this on permanent display?


It is, the museum at Le Bourget has some amazing aircraft.

Wes..
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:25 pm

Stitch wrote:
ltbewr wrote:
There is no doubt that the 737MAX grounding will be one of the biggest stories at this show. I suspect Boeing will have to discuss what progress is underway to deal with the grounding.


They've been doing that with customers since the day the certificates were pulled so neither party would be at Paris for that reason.

The general media who only cover aviation during Paris/Farnborough are currently writing about it in relation to Paris, but I would not be surprised if Boeing makes no public statements about it during the show.



Thank you.. makes sense and from the article I read about AA's chief 737 pilot doing testing a journalist ride along.

Her is some from a fox article on some of the ways Boeing is working with airlines>

"In a statement provided to Fox News, Boeing said that it has invited more than 200 airline pilots, technical leaders and regulators for a briefing at its factory in Renton, Wash. on Wednesday. "This is part of our ongoing effort to share more details about our plan for supporting the safe return of the 737 MAX to commercial service," it explained. "We had a productive session this past Saturday and plan to reach all current and many future MAX operators and their home regulators."

"At the same time, we continue to work closely with our customers and regulators on software and training updates for the 737 MAX," the company added, noting that it is paying for the development of the updates.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:56 am

global2 wrote:
alberchico wrote:
The Eviation Alice all electric commuter aircraft prototype is finally unveiled.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... c-aircraft
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I couldn't help but notice in the background what appears to be an AF 747-200. Is this on permanent display?


I believe it's actually a 747-100
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:39 am

vhqpa wrote:
global2 wrote:
I couldn't help but notice in the background what appears to be an AF 747-200. Is this on permanent display?

I believe it's actually a 747-100

Correct, it's a Boeing 747-128 on display at the Musée de l'Air et de l'Espace



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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:40 am

As usual side show event Skytrax Awards will be given out.

AirAsia will be awarded 11th World's Best Low Cost Airlines.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:53 pm

alberchico wrote:
The Eviation Alice all electric commuter aircraft prototype is finally unveiled.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... c-aircraft
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It's a tail dragger?
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:23 pm

cloudboy wrote:
alberchico wrote:
The Eviation Alice all electric commuter aircraft prototype is finally unveiled.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... c-aircraft
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It's a tail dragger?

It would appear so - I imagine weight considerations would have come into play here.

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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:25 am

alberchico wrote:
The Eviation Alice all electric commuter aircraft prototype is finally unveiled.

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... c-aircraft
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Happy to see some novelties.

Make it a tad larger to accomodate 20-30pax + combi possibilities and boom: you have a new generation, all electrical DC-3!

I could see Buffalo Air order a few in a good decade. :bigthumbsup:
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:15 am

I'm not sure of any success for commuter fixed wing aircraft. If we are talking about intra-city commute then VTOL capability would be needed.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:18 pm

Cape Air just announced its intention to order the Eviation Alice. So they're going to operate this and the Tecnam P2012. Should be interesting.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/18/all-ele ... tomer.html
https://newatlas.com/eviation-alice-ele ... ane/60179/

Heres the odd thing, the prototype is a taildragger, but the production conforming second aircraft being built for certification trials has a standard tricycle landing gear.

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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:05 pm

N14AZ wrote:
vhqpa wrote:
global2 wrote:
I couldn't help but notice in the background what appears to be an AF 747-200. Is this on permanent display?

I believe it's actually a 747-100

Correct, it's a Boeing 747-128 on display at the Musée de l'Air et de l'Espace



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I visited the museum 10 years ago. It looks like they haven't washed the 747 since then...which is appropriate given it's a retired AF bird. :duck:

The museum is well worth the visit...as is the in Germany: Technik Museum Sinsheim - https://sinsheim.technik-museum.de/en/
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:35 pm

alberchico wrote:
Heres the odd thing, the prototype is a taildragger, but the production conforming second aircraft being built for certification trials has a standard tricycle landing gear.


I think it's just the rendering showing a tricycle landing gear, the production pictures still show a tail dragger.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:14 pm

Regarding The Eviation Alice all electric commuter aircraft, how do they avoid props from hitting the runway?
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:32 pm

tyoshimitsu wrote:
Regarding The Eviation Alice all electric commuter aircraft, how do they avoid props from hitting the runway?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsJ0vYnrMxo&t=862s

In this video at 11:20 they point out that crosswinds landings will require a special maneuver to avoid prop strikes.
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:54 am

alberchico wrote:
tyoshimitsu wrote:
Regarding The Eviation Alice all electric commuter aircraft, how do they avoid props from hitting the runway?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsJ0vYnrMxo&t=862s

In this video at 11:20 they point out that crosswinds landings will require a special maneuver to avoid prop strikes.

In this aircraft, all 'tail-strike incidents' would become serious accidents.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:32 pm

alberchico wrote:
Cape Air just announced its intention to order the Eviation Alice. So they're going to operate this and the Tecnam P2012. Should be interesting.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/18/all-ele ... tomer.html
https://newatlas.com/eviation-alice-ele ... ane/60179/

Heres the odd thing, the prototype is a taildragger, but the production conforming second aircraft being built for certification trials has a standard tricycle landing gear.

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Looks like two box spars with an integrated carbonfiber leading edge...

Questions I have is... How they going to handle icing on the leading edge.. bird strike.. Bird strike might not be that big of an issue. But icing....

Also looks like they're running resin rich. Lots of pooling there. Or that's a secondary bond. I wonder how they're getting FAA buy in on that. Lots of bond line inspections to do.
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:46 pm

Not to mention that they have to prove to the FAA that the thousands of pounds of lithium batteries that are packed into the airframe are safe from any fire risks.

BTW if anyone is looking for some great pictures of the show check out this blog:

https://fotografersha.livejournal.com/1 ... tml#cutid1

https://fotografersha.livejournal.com/1 ... tml#cutid1
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Thu Jun 20, 2019 6:52 pm

alberchico wrote:


i have a hard time figuring out the last one. :)
 
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Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Picture and General Discussion Thread

Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:03 pm

Me thinks the Eaviation designers have zero pilot time. Seriously, a taildragger with a serious wing tip (prop tip) strike hazard. What could go wrong on a windy day? Prop strike followed by Tesla-like fire.

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Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:10 pm

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Me thinks the Eaviation designers have zero pilot time. Seriously, a taildragger with a serious wing tip (prop tip) strike hazard. What could go wrong on a windy day? Prop strike followed by Tesla-like fire.

GF


Wind limitaions: 5kt
Go-around: Not allowed below 100ft

something like that?
I saw the youtube but... I respect whoever becomes the test pilot.

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