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Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:26 pm

I thought it might be on the west side where FedEx and others had maintenance but couldn't locate it.

 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:35 pm

Curious who it belonged to
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:41 pm

Max Q wrote:
Curious who it belonged to

Maybe FedEx as described on the photo???
 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:48 pm

Click on the photo, all your questions will be answered.
 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:02 pm

The airplane is sitting at approximately N33.94345 W118.39424, on what I believe was the Continental Air Lines maintenance ramp. The building behind the aircraft's tail is still visible on Google Street View. Coincidentally the Historic Aerials 1985 aerial image of that location shows a DC-10 parked in the exact same spot!
 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:07 pm

IINM, the photo was taken facing southeast, and is east of the Eagle's Nest at United's MX facility.
 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Mon Jun 17, 2019 6:24 pm

Looks to to be on the old Western maint ramp and the building closest would be the WAL stores facility. You can see what appears to be a WAL 727 in the background.
 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:13 pm

Seabear wrote:
Click on the photo, all your questions will be answered.


Certainly this aircraft was destined for FedEx, however, the photo notes indicate that it came from Lauda Air.

This is interesting as it almost looks like it was built for Lauda, perhaps even painted, but never flew for them, as I can find no information that Lauda ever operated the DC-10.
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:24 pm

longhauler wrote:
Seabear wrote:
Click on the photo, all your questions will be answered.


Certainly this aircraft was destined for FedEx, however, the photo notes indicate that it came from Lauda Air.

This is interesting as it almost looks like it was built for Lauda, perhaps even painted, but never flew for them, as I can find no information that Lauda ever operated the DC-10.

Well, the photo description clearly states "OE-ILD with Lauda Air- ntu"; usually "ntu" means "not taken up", so it never operated for Lauda Air.
Airfleets says it only operated for FedEx and Cielos del Peru, both as N305FE; which is in line with the photo comments ("N305FW with Cielos del Peru" appears to be a typo, the letters "E" & "W" being next to one another).
 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Mon Jun 17, 2019 8:40 pm

Well behind what we think is a Western 727 is Zambia Airways' only new built DC10, delivered in JUL 84, so the photo info may not be accurate unless somebody at LAX had Zambia's maintenance contract.
 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Mon Jun 17, 2019 9:53 pm

Okay, so far, we've got one vote for Continental's maintenance base, one vote for United's maintenance base, one vote for Western's maintenance base, and one vote for... Zambia.

Typical a.net.
 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:15 pm

Well...don't know why a WAL 727 would be parked on the CAL ramp?
 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:02 pm

nagpaw wrote:
The airplane is sitting at approximately N33.94345 W118.39424, on what I believe was the Continental Air Lines maintenance ramp. The building behind the aircraft's tail is still visible on Google Street View. Coincidentally the Historic Aerials 1985 aerial image of that location shows a DC-10 parked in the exact same spot!


You win the internet award today - outstanding job on all accounts!

[quote="eta unknown"}Well behind what we think is a Western 727 is Zambia Airways' only new built DC10, delivered in JUL 84, so the photo info may not be accurate unless somebody at LAX had Zambia's maintenance contract.[/quote]

Outstanding eye for detail!! Given that the plane would have been very new, perhaps McDonnell Douglas was giving Zambia Airways very generous servicing, and since LAX is just up the road from the Long Beach plant, perhaps it was decided to work on it there, perhaps even through Continental.
 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:10 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
nagpaw wrote:
The airplane is sitting at approximately N33.94345 W118.39424, on what I believe was the Continental Air Lines maintenance ramp. The building behind the aircraft's tail is still visible on Google Street View. Coincidentally the Historic Aerials 1985 aerial image of that location shows a DC-10 parked in the exact same spot!


You win the internet award today - outstanding job on all accounts!

Outstanding eye for detail by eta unknown (I can't seem to quote you here) for the Zambia Airways plane!! Given that the plane would have been very new, perhaps McDonnell Douglas was giving Zambia Airways very generous servicing, and since LAX is just up the road from the Long Beach plant, perhaps it was decided to work on it there, perhaps even through Continental.
 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:00 am

The date of the silver DC-10 photo is wrong. The Lauda-ordered aircraft was a -30CF.

eta unknown wrote:
Well behind what we think is a Western 727 is Zambia Airways' only new built DC10, delivered in JUL 84, so the photo info may not be accurate unless somebody at LAX had Zambia's maintenance contract.


Oh yes, I was wondering what was that something airways DC-10 look-alike behind. It appears that there's a picture of it.



nagpaw wrote:
The airplane is sitting at approximately N33.94345 W118.39424, on what I believe was the Continental Air Lines maintenance ramp. The building behind the aircraft's tail is still visible on Google Street View. Coincidentally the Historic Aerials 1985 aerial image of that location shows a DC-10 parked in the exact same spot!


Nice finding. On the historic aerials you mention, it could have been a former Spaceship of Western since the Zambian was painted there.



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Well...don't know why a WAL 727 would be parked on the CAL ramp?


Good point.
 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:00 am

Western Airlines maintenance ramp.

Back in the day McD used WA for subcontract work.
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:07 am

longhauler wrote:
Seabear wrote:
Click on the photo, all your questions will be answered.


Certainly this aircraft was destined for FedEx, however, the photo notes indicate that it came from Lauda Air.

This is interesting as it almost looks like it was built for Lauda, perhaps even painted, but never flew for them, as I can find no information that Lauda ever operated the DC-10.


"The Douglas DC-10-30CF c / n 47870 had already been enrolled at the Austrian authorities, in fact OE-ILD. The same-named Bac 1-11-525 came to the Lauda Air only 5 years later. It was even already painted half the DC10 and provided inside in the Lauda design. The incidents with the DC10 series, the rising dollar and rising interest rates prompted Lauda Air's banks to stop financing and sell the aircraft. Through a special deal with Douglas, Lauda got out of business without much loss."

It's a translation of a comment posted here: https://forum.airliners.de/topic/31442- ... -die-dc10/
 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:09 am

It's sitting on the Western's maintenance area facing south. The building in the back is their old stores warehouse.

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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:23 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:


Thanks for that. There is always something new to learn on this site.
Amazing to have an (almost) new customer so late in the production run of the aircraft.
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:57 am

ramprat74 wrote:
It's sitting on the Western's maintenance area facing south. The building in the back is their old stores warehouse.



And I learned something new, too! I thought that was CAL's facility. I had the correct location...wrong company!
 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:57 am

I remember LAX well in those days as I lived nearby. My uncle worked for Western. You would often see DC-10s from Western parked just east of Sepulveda Blvd, right before it goes into the tunnel under 25R and 25L.
 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:14 am

longhauler wrote:
Amazing to have an (almost) new customer so late in the production run of the aircraft.


Indeed, however I do wonder whether that airframe was part of the order AZ canceled in 1979.

Alitalia DC-10 order on a knife-edge

Considerable attention was focused on Alitalia last year when the airline ordered a substantial batch of DC-lOs, including the first DC-10-30AFs, and then cancelled the order within a matter of months. (…) Alitalia signed the DC-10 order in May in the expectation that the DC-10 Super 60 series would be launched in October. But immediately after Chicago the company suspended work on the Super 60 in order to concentrate on the accident investigation.

I've read somewhere and sometimes ago that part of that order was for one or two -30CF. So maybe the Lauda order was an attempt to avoid a white tail.
 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:09 am

The polished aluminum looks very attractive on this DC10


The most stunning example of this were Condor’s DC10 and B747 Classics
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:51 pm

Max Q wrote:
The polished aluminum looks very attractive on this DC10


The most stunning example of this were Condor’s DC10 and B747 Classics


Agreed on the 747 classic part



 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Thu Jun 20, 2019 9:38 am

Agree on those examples but they look good only when that finish is well maintained, American was very good at this and they were able to be consistent across a large fleet


It takes a lot of man hours and labor to keep that mirror finish, in those two pictures you can already see it starting to fade and when it’s neglected it looks terrible


If you’re going to go bare metal you have to commit to maintaining it or just go with paint and be done
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:39 am

Max Q wrote:
The polished aluminum looks very attractive on this DC10


The most stunning example of this were Condor’s DC10


Agree.


Max Q wrote:
If you’re going to go bare metal you have to commit to maintaining it or just go with paint and be done


Probably why they went light grey a few years later, unless it's influenced by Airbus.

 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Fri Jun 21, 2019 9:07 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
Max Q wrote:
The polished aluminum looks very attractive on this DC10


The most stunning example of this were Condor’s DC10


Agree.


Max Q wrote:
If you’re going to go bare metal you have to commit to maintaining it or just go with paint and be done


Probably why they went light grey a few years later, unless it's influenced by Airbus.




Great picture, thanks for posting that
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:39 pm

One comment: when you say “polished aluminum” what do you mean? That colourless laquer is applied or some other substance? Can you be specific?
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:16 pm

longhauler wrote:
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:


Thanks for that. There is always something new to learn on this site.

True, I didn’t know anything about this Lauda DC10 either...
b747400erf wrote:
Max Q wrote:
The polished aluminum looks very attractive on this DC10

The most stunning example of this were Condor’s DC10 and B747 Classics


Agreed on the 747 classic part

Hey, don‘t forget the good old B 707:
 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:52 pm

The Western DC10's with the "Bud Light" paint schemes looked good as well. Don't have photo to post.
 
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Re: Where at LAX? (Unpainted DC-10 photo)

Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:20 pm

BravoOne wrote:
The Western DC10's with the "Bud Light" paint schemes looked good as well. Don't have photo to post.


They indeed looked good but it's too bad they weren't as polished as American's or Condor's. But on the matter of livery, i prefer Western's with broad red line with dark blue contrast than AA's.



Hawaiian looked good too

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