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Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:08 am

Cebu Pacific has ordered a330-900 with 460 seats. How is that possible since a330-900 exit limit is 440 seats. Do Airbus have plans for type 3 exit like on 767 or over wing exit like on the a340-500,600?
 
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:18 am

Another exit was rumoured I believe for the A330neo.

Also 194 seats on the A320neo is also above current limit by only 5. It's very possible they will re-certify for higher number or another exit, like the high capacity MAX 8 will have.

Interesting to see which way they go.
 
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:27 am

However they do it, that is fantastic
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:51 am

Holy moly, they are taking "high density" to new levels.
On the other end of the scale, you can find Swiss who configures the A330-300 with 219 seats - less than half!
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:54 am

I wonder if the 339s will have lavs downstairs. From flightglobal:

"Chief executive advisor Mike Szucs indicates that the high-density A330neo layout has been achieved with some "clever" reconfiguration of facilities such as the lavatories."
 
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:00 am

JerseyFlyer wrote:
I wonder if the 339s will have lavs downstairs. From flightglobal:

"Chief executive advisor Mike Szucs indicates that the high-density A330neo layout has been achieved with some "clever" reconfiguration of facilities such as the lavatories."


Do the downstairs lavs (like some A340 had) really save some space on the main level compared to the A320-style spaceflex lavs? Or do they allow to place all lavs in the same area so there will be no lavs at the front/middle of the cabin saving some space? Is A330's plumbing even that flexible?
 
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:02 am

george77300 wrote:
Another exit was rumoured I believe for the A330neo.

Also 194 seats on the A320neo is also above current limit by only 5. It's very possible they will re-certify for higher number or another exit, like the high capacity MAX 8 will have.

Interesting to see which way they go.

The A320 is actually certified up to 195 pax, Airbus has just had trouble getting more than 189 seats to physically fit in the thing.

This is going to one tight plane with tiny galleys and like 2 tiny lavs.

adammsvk1 wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
I wonder if the 339s will have lavs downstairs. From flightglobal:

"Chief executive advisor Mike Szucs indicates that the high-density A330neo layout has been achieved with some "clever" reconfiguration of facilities such as the lavatories."


Do the downstairs lavs (like some A340 had) really save some space on the main level compared to the A320-style spaceflex lavs? Or do they allow to place all lavs in the same area so there will be no lavs at the front/middle of the cabin saving some space? Is A330's plumbing even that flexible?

There are already A330/A340s with downstairs lavs, so yes the plumbing is that flexible. I’m guessing primarily one bank of downstairs lavs, and maybe a tiny one up front.
 
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:05 am

george77300 wrote:
Another exit was rumoured I believe for the A330neo.

Also 194 seats on the A320neo is also above current limit by only 5. It's very possible they will re-certify for higher number or another exit, like the high capacity MAX 8 will have.

Interesting to see which way they go.


EASA hinted that up to 195 seats would be possible a couple of years back: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... sa-410198/

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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:09 am

500 seats in a A330, who are the passengers, Dwarfs ? Just because it can be done should it be done ? 9 seats per row in an A330 is insane.
 
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:11 am

adammsvk1 wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
I wonder if the 339s will have lavs downstairs. From flightglobal:

"Chief executive advisor Mike Szucs indicates that the high-density A330neo layout has been achieved with some "clever" reconfiguration of facilities such as the lavatories."


Do the downstairs lavs (like some A340 had) really save some space on the main level compared to the A320-style spaceflex lavs? Or do they allow to place all lavs in the same area so there will be no lavs at the front/middle of the cabin saving some space? Is A330's plumbing even that flexible?


there are plenty of A330ceo flying with a downstairs lav, the same LH has on the A346. Costs 4 seats and one main deck lav, provides 5 lavs downstairs and hence probably allows for a few extra seats.

Since 460 pax and their bags will use up most available payload it makes sense to place anything you can downstairs as that is essentially useless space in a high density configuration.

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Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:15 am

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9 seats per row in an A330 is insane.


Yes, but it's hardly new. FrenchBee, Air Asia X, CebuPacific?
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:17 am

JamesCousins wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
9 seats per row in an A330 is insane.


Yes, but it's hardly new. FrenchBee, Air Asia X, CebuPacific?


Sounds like a list of airlines to stay away from.
 
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:19 am

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500 seats in a A330, who are the passengers, Dwarfs ? Just because it can be done should it be done ? 9 seats per row in an A330 is insane.


Airbus has been looking at making the seats a bit wider in the 9-abreast config for a while, so that will probably not all that terrible bad compared to 17" seats, which have gotten somewhat accepted. IF that will in deed have a touch more than the 16.7" seats that is...

But 52 rows ....... i guess the only suitable passenger is this guy in black: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmInkxbvlCs

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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:17 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
there are plenty of A330ceo flying with a downstairs lav, the same LH has on the A346.


I know about LH and the A346 lower deck lavs but I don't know of any A330ceo with lower deck lavs. Who currently flies with this configuration on the A330ceo?
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:18 pm

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500 seats in a A330, who are the passengers, Dwarfs ?


Without wishing to be disingenuous to Philippinos... yes.

A couple of years ago, there was an interesting suite of graphics and stats collated by a UK newspaper: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/the-tallest-and-shortest-countries-in-the-world/

Philippinos are the third shortest nationality, and generally their builds are very petite. So for them, 9 abreast on an A330 feels at worst like 8 abreast would for the typical US / European demographic. In reality it is probably very comfortable.
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:21 pm

MoKa777 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
there are plenty of A330ceo flying with a downstairs lav, the same LH has on the A346.


I know about LH and the A346 lower deck lavs but I don't know of any A330ceo with lower deck lavs. Who currently flies with this configuration on the A330ceo?


Thomas Cook UK has downstairs lavs on a few of their current A330 fleet.
 
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:26 pm

MoKa777 wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
there are plenty of A330ceo flying with a downstairs lav, the same LH has on the A346.


I know about LH and the A346 lower deck lavs but I don't know of any A330ceo with lower deck lavs. Who currently flies with this configuration on the A330ceo?


Novair, the former Premiair, then myTravel then Thomas Cook Scandinavia birds, Monarch too i think, Airtours, also former Premiair..... come to mind.

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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:26 pm

This is ridiculous!

And I don't care that people of that region are generally smaller than Europeans and North Americans but still there is a principle and before people start:

No most of the general public don't know what constitutes a dense config until they get on the sardine can (I mean plane).
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:30 pm

A330-900neo at a cheap price is the new CASM king. A steep discount or lease rate with 460 seats and those new big engines, nothing will be able to compete.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:43 pm

kimimm19 wrote:
This is ridiculous!

And I don't care that people of that region are generally smaller than Europeans and North Americans but still there is a principle and before people start:

No most of the general public don't know what constitutes a dense config until they get on the sardine can (I mean plane).


Even North American and European Airlines flew and/or fly 8 abreast 767s, 9 abreast A310/330 (Thomson and Air Transat still do) and somehow that seems to be ok as long the price is low enough....

But to have an acceptable seat pitch with that many rows seems to need some really clever use of cabin length. I for one am generally fine with 29" seat pitch on a slim line seat for a couple of hours.... but 10+??? Rather not....

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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:43 pm

Tyrion Lannister, the new Cebu CEO made a statement... "Size does not matter, but how you use it".
 
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:53 pm

Cebu must get some pretty good load factors if they can fill out an A330-900 with 460 seats.

Great selection for their network and great to see the neo rack up some solid orders!
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:04 pm

kimimm19 wrote:
This is ridiculous!

And I don't care that people of that region are generally smaller than Europeans and North Americans but still there is a principle and before people start:

No most of the general public don't know what constitutes a dense config until they get on the sardine can (I mean plane).


Why do you not care about something that is of material importance to the conversation? Most of the general public care primarily about price and personal space - they will not even notice that the configuration is dense / tight... exactly because the demographic is smaller.
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:10 pm

At least that's more eco friendly.
This reminds me the movie "downsizing" where humans are downsized to cope with environmental issues !
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:19 pm

Air Caraïbes, French Bee, Air Transat etc. already operate 375-380 pax A333 and that includes business/premium Y seats. I don't see the hoopla about 440 Y seats in A339 for Cebu. Leisure / LCC airlines have been using sardine cans for a while, nothing new.
 
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 2:35 pm

they take air bus seriously.
 
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:02 pm

Airbus has wider doors. A pair here and a pair there is more than enough to increase exit limits. This is not a tough PIP.

JamesCousins wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
9 seats per row in an A330 is insane.


Yes, but it's hardly new. FrenchBee, Air Asia X, CebuPacific?

Not new and customers demand low fares. I love how people complain about getting what they demand.

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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:31 pm

jfk777 wrote:
Just because it can be done should it be done ? 9 seats per row in an A330 is insane.

The operator probably thinks it's the brightest idea ever since sliced bread. :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign: :dollarsign:

tommy1808 wrote:
But to have an acceptable seat pitch with that many rows seems to need some really clever use of cabin length. I for one am generally fine with 29" seat pitch on a slim line seat for a couple of hours.... but 10+??? Rather not....

They seem to be taking the ULCC concept to new lows. I wonder if the A339 could still make it to HNL from MNL with plenty to spare in that configuration should 5J decide to finally give it a go? :weightlifter:

Pavlakakos wrote:
Tyrion Lannister, the new Cebu CEO made a statement... "Size does not matter, but how you use it".

He did say he "knew things and he drinked a lot"... :vomit: ...probably thinks of selling barf bags and adult diapers... :cry2: ...at a premium as another revenue stream! :drunk:

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A couple of years ago, there was an interesting suite of graphics and stats collated by a UK newspaper: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps ... the-world/

And just five days ago a study released by an ecommerce firm said Filipino travelers are the most frugal in the world...so I guess 5J is "right on the money"..... :twocents: .....

https://www.imoney.ph/articles/filipino ... st-frugal/
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:40 pm

Devilfish wrote:
They seem to be taking the ULCC concept to new lows. I wonder if the A339 could still make it to HNL from MNL with plenty to spare in that configuration should 5J decide to finally give it a go? :weightlifter:


I would be surprised if Cebu's average pax+bag wight is more than 75% of that in Europe or North America. Even accounting for the extra seat weight, I'd expect it to be the same as a 'typical' A330 NEO configuration, so I doubt range would be affected..

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PlymSpotter wrote:
A couple of years ago, there was an interesting suite of graphics and stats collated by a UK newspaper: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps ... the-world/

And just five days ago a study released by an ecommerce firm said Filipino travelers are the most frugal in the world...so I guess 5J is "right on the money"..... :twocents: .....

https://www.imoney.ph/articles/filipino ... st-frugal/


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Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:50 pm

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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:18 pm

I've gotta ask...because this really worries me...how on earth will they be able to SAFELY evac an aircraft with that capacity in a reasonable amount of time? I'm fearing that all these capacity increases with seat pitch decreases is going to lead to scores of people dying in a smoke filled aircraft evacuation because of the limited space with more people occupying it.
 
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:25 pm

PlymSpotter wrote:
kimimm19 wrote:
This is ridiculous!

And I don't care that people of that region are generally smaller than Europeans and North Americans but still there is a principle and before people start:

No most of the general public don't know what constitutes a dense config until they get on the sardine can (I mean plane).


Why do you not care about something that is of material importance to the conversation? Most of the general public care primarily about price and personal space - they will not even notice that the configuration is dense / tight... exactly because the demographic is smaller.


By mathematics, the more dense the less personal space.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:34 pm

kimimm19 wrote:
PlymSpotter wrote:
kimimm19 wrote:
This is ridiculous!

And I don't care that people of that region are generally smaller than Europeans and North Americans but still there is a principle and before people start:

No most of the general public don't know what constitutes a dense config until they get on the sardine can (I mean plane).


Why do you not care about something that is of material importance to the conversation? Most of the general public care primarily about price and personal space - they will not even notice that the configuration is dense / tight... exactly because the demographic is smaller.


By mathematics, the more dense the less personal space.


No. Defining personal space as the division of total cabin space by total number of seats is not valid here - unless you believe that the average size of passenger has no impact on that passenger's comfort and overall experience.

Proportionally, Cebu Pacific's average passenger type is going to have more personal space than an average European travelling on an 8 abreast A330.
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:37 pm

PlymSpotter wrote:
kimimm19 wrote:
PlymSpotter wrote:

Why do you not care about something that is of material importance to the conversation? Most of the general public care primarily about price and personal space - they will not even notice that the configuration is dense / tight... exactly because the demographic is smaller.


By mathematics, the more dense the less personal space.


No. Defining personal space as the division of total cabin space by total number of seats is not valid here - unless you believe that the average size of passenger has no impact on that passenger's comfort and overall experience.

Proportionally, Cebu Pacific's average passenger type is going to have more personal space than an average European travelling on an 8 abreast A330.

Amount of personal space and comfort in that space are technically two distinct things.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:40 pm

lightsaber wrote:
Airbus has wider doors. A pair here and a pair there is more than enough to increase exit limits. This is not a tough PIP.


Type A doors are the biggest available and it already has 4 pairs of them to cope with 440 pax. You can only certify this with overperforming exits. Evacuation tests and simulations have to be performed, but the same was done to allow 250 pax on the 321 with ACF.
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:00 pm

FrenchPotatoEye wrote:
Cebu must get some pretty good load factors if they can fill out an A330-900 with 460 seats.

PR may be a bit concerned that those extra pax could come from their "Y" customers. :worried:


AWACSooner wrote:
I've gotta ask...because this really worries me...how on earth will they be able to SAFELY evac an aircraft with that capacity in a reasonable amount of time? I'm fearing that all these capacity increases with seat pitch decreases is going to lead to scores of people dying in a smoke filled aircraft evacuation because of the limited space with more people occupying it.


MaxiAir wrote:
Type A doors are the biggest available and it already has 4 pairs of them to cope with 440 pax. You can only certify this with overperforming exits. Evacuation tests and simulations have to be performed, but the same was done to allow 250 pax on the 321 with ACF.

I don't see overwing exits on the A339 CGI release.....

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This was discussed in another thread...so it will be very interesting to see how they'd go about it in the certification process. :scratchchin:
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:33 pm

tommy1808 wrote:
Airbus has been looking at making the seats a bit wider in the 9-abreast config for a while, so that will probably not all that terrible bad compared to 17" seats, which have gotten somewhat accepted. IF that will in deed have a touch more than the 16.7" seats that is...

How do they make them wider?
Do they make the aisles narrower?
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:43 pm

9Patch wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
Airbus has been looking at making the seats a bit wider in the 9-abreast config for a while, so that will probably not all that terrible bad compared to 17" seats, which have gotten somewhat accepted. IF that will in deed have a touch more than the 16.7" seats that is...

How do they make them wider?
Do they make the aisles narrower?
.


Yup... narrower aisles...

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Tue Jun 18, 2019 5:48 pm

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However they do it, that is fantastic


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Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:22 pm

460 seats are absolutely incredible. 436 was already incredible.
Of course I will never fly them....
 
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:24 pm

I tried messing around with a scaled diagram, it is possible to fit 460 pax with a 9 abreast 27 inch pitch seats.
Yes, 27 inches kinda like this https://www.pitchaircraftseating.co.uk/pf27concept :shock:

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500 seats in a A330, who are the passengers, Dwarfs ? Just because it can be done should it be done ? 9 seats per row in an A330 is insane.


Move the lavatories down to the cargo area then put em' 27 pitch seats, it can go slightly over 500.

lightsaber wrote:
Airbus has wider doors. A pair here and a pair there is more than enough to increase exit limits. This is not a tough PIP.

JamesCousins wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
9 seats per row in an A330 is insane.


Yes, but it's hardly new. FrenchBee, Air Asia X, CebuPacific?

Not new and customers demand low fares. I love how people complain about getting what they demand.

Lightsaber


I would like to add Lion Air and Thai Lion Air to the list.

Adding an over-wing exit alike the A346 while installing seats with 27 inch of pitch and you've got a 460 seater A339 with 10 lavatories and some mini galleys.
 
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:47 pm

This is insane, but what do you expect when you're a carrier that is based in a country that is not known for premium-heavy travel? I'll also admit that I'll never spend my money to fly in a 3-3-3-configured A330 ever.

In comparison, KE configures its A380s with 407 seats total. Let that sink in.
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:04 pm

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500 seats in a A330, who are the passengers, Dwarfs ? Just because it can be done should it be done ? 9 seats per row in an A330 is insane.

What will be the flying hours on such a plane ? Is that a high density regional airplane with a flying time of up to 6 hours ?
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:16 pm

With slimline seats, the effective seat pitch increases, so I can see how 27 inches would be possible.

I've done 28 inches on a charter outfit, with the old-style chunky seats. That was very tight and fortunately only for 2 hours, but the same pitch with slimline seats is actually quite bearable.

Incidentally I also flew a Russian charter carrier with a 26-27inch pitch on the Tu-154. That was very tight for me as a 6ft guy with average build.
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Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:23 pm

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jfk777 wrote:
500 seats in a A330, who are the passengers, Dwarfs ? Just because it can be done should it be done ? 9 seats per row in an A330 is insane.

What will be the flying hours on such a plane ? Is that a high density regional airplane with a flying time of up to 6 hours ?


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Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:24 pm

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george77300 wrote:
Another exit was rumoured I believe for the A330neo.

Also 194 seats on the A320neo is also above current limit by only 5. It's very possible they will re-certify for higher number or another exit, like the high capacity MAX 8 will have.

Interesting to see which way they go.

The A320 is actually certified up to 195 pax, Airbus has just had trouble getting more than 189 seats to physically fit in the thing.

This is going to one tight plane with tiny galleys and like 2 tiny lavs.

adammsvk1 wrote:
JerseyFlyer wrote:
I wonder if the 339s will have lavs downstairs. From flightglobal:

"Chief executive advisor Mike Szucs indicates that the high-density A330neo layout has been achieved with some "clever" reconfiguration of facilities such as the lavatories."


Do the downstairs lavs (like some A340 had) really save some space on the main level compared to the A320-style spaceflex lavs? Or do they allow to place all lavs in the same area so there will be no lavs at the front/middle of the cabin saving some space? Is A330's plumbing even that flexible?

There are already A330/A340s with downstairs lavs, so yes the plumbing is that flexible. I’m guessing primarily one bank of downstairs lavs, and maybe a tiny one up front.


But will they actually configure their A320neos for 194 pax? I mean it's 33rows,what the seat-pitch will be?? 27'? Even with slim-recaro seats i don't how will a person fit in there..
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:31 pm

Is it too much to fit in an A330? Absolutely. But just looking at a couple prices comparing Cebu Pacific to a full service airline, things are 4-6 times cheaper. Even AirAsia is double the price. Personally I wouldn't pay for a ticket that's several times more expensive than the cheapest option.
 
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:35 pm

Aalo87 wrote:
I tried messing around with a scaled diagram, it is possible to fit 460 pax with a 9 abreast 27 inch pitch seats.
Yes, 27 inches kinda like this https://www.pitchaircraftseating.co.uk/pf27concept :shock:

jfk777 wrote:
500 seats in a A330, who are the passengers, Dwarfs ? Just because it can be done should it be done ? 9 seats per row in an A330 is insane.


Move the lavatories down to the cargo area then put em' 27 pitch seats, it can go slightly over 500.

lightsaber wrote:
Airbus has wider doors. A pair here and a pair there is more than enough to increase exit limits. This is not a tough PIP.

JamesCousins wrote:

Yes, but it's hardly new. FrenchBee, Air Asia X, CebuPacific?

Not new and customers demand low fares. I love how people complain about getting what they demand.

Lightsaber


I would like to add Lion Air and Thai Lion Air to the list.

Adding an over-wing exit alike the A346 while installing seats with 27 inch of pitch and you've got a 460 seater A339 with 10 lavatories and some mini galleys.


Azul will have a 777-300ER with over 500 seats, wonder if that counts.
 
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:45 pm

I don't like 9-abreast but I think one of the launch customers for the A330, French domestic Air Inter, specified 9-abreast. So not new, more like 30 years old!
 
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Re: Airbus a330-900 460 seats

Tue Jun 18, 2019 8:48 pm

That is pretty crazy to fit that many people into this plane.

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