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Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:53 pm

Just saw on FR24 that an ex united 744 (N119UA) was ferried from VCV to LAX today and now on it's way from LAX to HKG as Flight 5Y9223 /GTI9223. Anyone know what's going on?
 
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:53 pm

Seems like Atlas Air is operating. Going for Freighter conversion?
 
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:19 pm

Another VIP Passenger plane for Atlas.
 
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:48 pm

BAorAB wrote:
Seems like Atlas Air is operating. Going for Freighter conversion?

Atlas Air also operates some 744 pax airplanes, though...

https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=3
... it seems like the ex Japanese government 744(s) are being converted by Bedek.
 
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:53 pm

BAorAB wrote:
Seems like Atlas Air is operating. Going for Freighter conversion?

Could be for pax charter (mostly military) flights as there are many converted freighters sitting in the desert that could be re-activated.
 
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:01 pm

It was sold to Atlas
 
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:02 pm

N119UA Came out of storage in Victorville. Going to Atlas Air for Charter flights
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Thu Jun 20, 2019 12:35 am

Posted internally...


Our Fleet team has sold one of the Boeing 747-400s we’ve kept in storage since we retired the fleet in late 2017, N119UA, and it departed VCV (Victorville, California) June 19 under the ownership of Atlas Air (5Y), which plans to use it for charter flights.
Atlas currently has the largest 747 fleet in the world, with 55 aircraft -- 45 747-400s and 10 747-8Fs -- that it uses for charters and cargo and leases to other operators.
Eight other “Queen of the Skies” airframes remain intact and parked in the Southern California desert, said Fleet Transfers Manager Robert Newman. Our other retired 747s have either been sold to other operators or disassembled for parts, he said.
Newman thanked Tech Ops, particularly the Airframe Vendor Management and Aircraft Records groups, for their roles in preparing the aircraft for sale.
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
 
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:36 am

Once this aircraft is converted to an Atlas Air freighter, I am sure that I will be able to spot it at my hometown airport, CVG!
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:44 am

That is really lovely to hear! The Queen lives on! Do you guys think that Atlas and some other 744F operators will order 8F replacements?
 
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:28 am

This A/C will become N480MC
Operated by Atlas for its passenger division. She will have 256 seats in a first, business and int'l premium economy.
Primarily used for VIP Charters like N263SG and N322SG
 
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Thu Jun 20, 2019 1:54 pm

BOFly wrote:
This A/C will become N480MC
Operated by Atlas for its passenger division. She will have 256 seats in a first, business and int'l premium economy.
Primarily used for VIP Charters like N263SG and N322SG


Anybody who can tell why those two were being registered out of sequence when aquired a decade ago? All, or almost all other Atlas 747s carry reg´s ending with MC.
 
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:12 pm

na wrote:
BOFly wrote:
This A/C will become N480MC
Operated by Atlas for its passenger division. She will have 256 seats in a first, business and int'l premium economy.
Primarily used for VIP Charters like N263SG and N322SG


Anybody who can tell why those two were being registered out of sequence when aquired a decade ago? All, or almost all other Atlas 747s carry reg´s ending with MC.


It's because they were obtained out of sequence from another airline.
 
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:37 pm

na wrote:
BOFly wrote:
This A/C will become N480MC
Operated by Atlas for its passenger division. She will have 256 seats in a first, business and int'l premium economy.
Primarily used for VIP Charters like N263SG and N322SG


Anybody who can tell why those two were being registered out of sequence when aquired a decade ago? All, or almost all other Atlas 747s carry reg´s ending with MC.


Because aircraft were acquired by Sonangol, the Angolan oil company.. SG = Sonangol Group
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Thu Jun 20, 2019 2:44 pm

Thank you,
these two have now been repainted in standard Atlas livery. A few months I saw one of them still in the gold livery at LAX.
 
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:07 pm

Is this the second UA 744 to be sold?
 
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Thu Jun 20, 2019 5:58 pm

Got lucky and saw her leaving. I'm really excited to see her getting a new life. Especially since younger 747s were scrapped, like her sister N121UA.

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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:19 pm

BAorAB wrote:
Seems like Atlas Air is operating. Going for Freighter conversion?


Nobody is converting 747's into freighters,anymore.
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Thu Jun 20, 2019 7:30 pm

United_fan wrote:
BAorAB wrote:
Seems like Atlas Air is operating. Going for Freighter conversion?


Nobody is converting 747's into freighters,anymore.


Not true as you can read in my link above! One of the ex Japan VIP 744s has just been ferried to Tel Aviv where Bedek is going to convert it, the second one might follow as it has been sold to the same owners. Its 28 years old but certainly must be a low-mileage plane.
 
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:00 am

Will any ex-DL 744s be sold?
 
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:59 am

Question about flights like this. I assume they are flown under Part 91 or similar? If that is the case can people other than crew fly on these flights just for fun? For example one of the crew members wanted to bring some friends or family along (provided that there are seats still installed) and make a weekend or vacation out of the trip or is that forbidden? Just curious - guess the question would really apply to any repositioning flight. Granted if allowed those people would be on the hook themselves for getting back.
 
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Fri Jun 21, 2019 2:57 am

tmu101 wrote:
Question about flights like this. I assume they are flown under Part 91 or similar? If that is the case can people other than crew fly on these flights just for fun? For example one of the crew members wanted to bring some friends or family along (provided that there are seats still installed) and make a weekend or vacation out of the trip or is that forbidden? Just curious - guess the question would really apply to any repositioning flight. Granted if allowed those people would be on the hook themselves for getting back.


Regarding flights like this (not all part 91). Essential crew only flying on a special ferry permit is the norm for an airplane being ferried out of extended storage.
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Fri Jun 21, 2019 3:44 am

speedbird52 wrote:
That is really lovely to hear! The Queen lives on! Do you guys think that Atlas and some other 744F operators will order 8F replacements?


Good question. Has to be very likely.
But I personally think more 747-8 freighters orders
could kick off probably end of the year to around post 2020.
By that time a lot of freighters will reach a certain age to let go.
question on oil price. But 747-400F or BCF from the desert re activating to flights is a good thing also.
But 747-8F will be a better replacement in terms of fuel cost and also load.
 
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Fri Jun 21, 2019 6:38 am

tmu101 wrote:
Question about flights like this. I assume they are flown under Part 91 or similar? If that is the case can people other than crew fly on these flights just for fun? For example one of the crew members wanted to bring some friends or family along (provided that there are seats still installed) and make a weekend or vacation out of the trip or is that forbidden? Just curious - guess the question would really apply to any repositioning flight. Granted if allowed those people would be on the hook themselves for getting back.


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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:41 pm

SilverwingSpttr wrote:
Got lucky and saw her leaving. I'm really excited to see her getting a new life. Especially since younger 747s were scrapped, like her sister N121UA.

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Or even N118UA United’s Final 747.
 
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:17 pm

Always good to see a bird heading out of the desert for a second chance. An additional 2-3 747s heading back into service is good for "The Queen". Who ever picked up the Japanese birds got a good deal of sorts. Low hour/cycle airframes, with impeccable maintenance when with their first owner.
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:37 am

This is great news! Congratulations to Atlas! Great seeing this bird having a second chance!
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:42 am

BAorAB wrote:
Just saw on FR24 that an ex united 744 (N119UA) was ferried from VCV to LAX today and now on it's way from LAX to HKG as Flight 5Y9223 /GTI9223. Anyone know what's going on?


I'm assuming the aircraft is headed there for post desert maintenance. Do we know how long it will be staying in Hong Kong?

The information in the post is good overall. A) 2-3 more 747s are back in action. B) At least 2 carriers are forecasting an ability to make money with them. C) More captain slots at Altas. D) Conversion program at IAI is back under steam....which adds credibility to an article a while back stating IAI was negotiating with several customers for new 747 freighter conversions.

Also 2-3 more 747s back in action basically increases the number of 747s entering service in 2019 by 33%-50%.
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Re: Ex United 744 - (N119UA) LAX to HKG today?

Mon Jun 24, 2019 1:45 am

BOFly wrote:
This A/C will become N480MC
Operated by Atlas for its passenger division. She will have 256 seats in a first, business and int'l premium economy.
Primarily used for VIP Charters like N263SG and N322SG

Man...wish I could’ve ridden an Atlas plane in this config rather than the ex JAL sardine can config when I returned from my last deployment

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