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Disruptive passenger triggers Fighter jet escort & sonic boom.

Sun Jun 23, 2019 8:55 am

Dalaman never fails to let us down.

Jet2 flight from Stansted to Dalaman returns to STN with RAF Typhoon escort after drunk female assaults crew and endangered aircraft.

Typhoons go supersonic over land to intercept.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-48732642
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:32 am

The RAF Typhoons caused a bit of a stir in the NE London/Essex area;
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... n-arrested

That's not done lightly, must have been an especially bad case of a disruptive pax.
So Dalaman is notorious for attracting the types who are more likely to act up in the pissed up and violent Brit abroad manner now? Used to be other destinations in Spain and Greece, though this one didn't even make it past UK airspace!

Questions again about airports serving pax booze before boarding/letting them board tanked up.
Scrambling those Typhoons isn't cheap, maybe costs should be passed on to the airport or airline?
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:46 am

GDB wrote:
Scrambling those Typhoons isn't cheap, maybe costs should be passed on to the airport or airline?


Or passenger, that a way to remember the trip by.....
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:54 am

Provides a bit of intercept practice for the RAF though I suppose. They'd be spending money on training anyway.
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:59 am

Easy solution: Have every single UK origin passenger blow into an alcohol tester. If there's any indication above 0.2 they're denied boarding, ticket cancelled without compensation and escorted out of the airport. Additionally, any duty free alcoholic beverages bought in the airport shall be surrendered at the gate for loading the the bulk compartment, with each passenger eligible to pay the same for that service as they would to check a suit case. And, of course, no alcoholic beverages may be sold onboard any commercial flight to/from the UK.

I appreciate the above will mean some discomfort for those who can actually behave themselves, but as is often the case, it's the few who ruin it for the many. Blame your fellow citizens, and start by adopting a sensible drinking culture. In any case, the above should sharpen the attention of the dredges of society, which have become a bane on civil aviation in the UK. With just a smidgen of luck, the rest of us will be spared at least some of the reprobates ruining a nice holiday.
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Re: Disruptive passenger triggers Fighter jet escort & sonic boom.

Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:00 am

GDB wrote:
The RAF Typhoons caused a bit of a stir in the NE London/Essex area;
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... n-arrested

That's not done lightly, must have been an especially bad case of a disruptive pax.
So Dalaman is notorious for attracting the types who are more likely to act up in the pissed up and violent Brit abroad manner now? Used to be other destinations in Spain and Greece, though this one didn't even make it past UK airspace!

Questions again about airports serving pax booze before boarding/letting them board tanked up.
Scrambling those Typhoons isn't cheap, maybe costs should be passed on to the airport or airline?


Alcohol has a stronger effect at lower cabin altitude. The passenger may have able to control himself enough before takeoff to avoid being denied boarding. As the plane climbed after takeoff the cabin altitude rose, and the passenger acted much more drunk.
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:02 am

Dutchy wrote:
GDB wrote:
Scrambling those Typhoons isn't cheap, maybe costs should be passed on to the airport or airline?


Or passenger, that a way to remember the trip by.....


Yes, though I don't have any kind of figures for scrambling Typhoons, going supersonic etc, I suspect it would not be recoverable from a single pax, it would likely clean them out with most still unpaid.

It is not really about the money, more making airports be more responsible, there have been investigations/tv reports, into airports serving unlimited amounts of booze, often early in the morning, airlines letting them on only refusing if they can barely stand or they kick off before boarding.
Maybe a hefty bill from the Ministry of Defence to an airport operator in a case like this would concentrate some minds.
It is actually illegal to be a pax when incapable through drink.
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:19 am

How can a drunk female pose any kind of danger to the aircraft? Can't two people hold her until the plane lands? I understand the diversion but why dispatch two fighter jets?
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:40 am

aircatalonia wrote:
How can a drunk female pose any kind of danger to the aircraft? Can't two people hold her until the plane lands? I understand the diversion but why dispatch two fighter jets?


According to the reports, she tried to enter the flight deck, and assaulted two members of the crew at the front of the aircraft.

Doesn't matter who she is or why she may have done it, but on paper is that not classed as attempted hijack???? I'd imagine that's why the Typhoons were scrambled.
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:58 am

A voyager was also scrambled out of Brize because of course sustained SS flight will have fuel burning real quick

Exceptional work by all the RAF crews, I remember hearing the sonic boom from a QRA launch a few years back for a unresponsive light aircraft near Bristol, I’m in the midlands and it’s amazing the sound, but even more so some of the wild theories that people can come up with to explain it before news breaks especially as where I live is not all that far from one of the worlds largest munitions storage sites
Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:02 pm

As an aside not a lot of point trying to recover costs as all that will do is cause the woman to go bankrupt unless she happens to be the person that won the euro millions a couple of weeks ago, also given the severity of this case I would not be at all surprised if she ends up with a custodial sentence
Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:07 pm

flyingclrs727 wrote:
Alcohol has a stronger effect at lower cabin altitude.


Alcohol has a stronger effect at a lower cabin PRESSURE (higher perceived altitude).
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:18 pm

In seriousness I was part of a group heading off to Ibiza for someones 50th. The flight was early morning. So we went down the night before. Had a single room booked in the hotel across the way from Gatwick terminal and sat in the bar all night chatting and drinking - with the drinks being on the rooms tab.

Next day we were very careful to not be loud at check in, to use different queues and stand apart.

We all got on the flight and spent most of it asleep.

Very few who have had a drink cause problems.
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:19 pm

Treat the passenger like the passengers on WN 1763 did for attacking the cockpit door—kill ‘em! And that was BEFORE 9/11!
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:49 pm

Sometimes those with such behaviors are not drunk, but are using illegal drugs as well as have mental/psychological health issues that are un- diagnosed, or may be using prescription drugs to deal with that don't work right. Then you have those with flying anxiety issues that use drugs or drink to near or full drunk before they board to cope with it. It isn't easy to catch some who's mental health, use of drugs or alcohol being a potential disruptor in flight. Gate staff don't have the time or skills to watch out for them, other flyers won't speak out so don't get into confrontations.

I would note that one should be relatively sober to fly in case of an emergency, especially at landing or takeoff, including if a diversion, so make the right decisions if have to evacuate the aircraft due to fire or other risks.
 
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Re: Disruptive passenger triggers Fighter jet escort & sonic boom.

Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:50 pm

aircatalonia wrote:
How can a drunk female pose any kind of danger to the aircraft? Can't two people hold her until the plane lands? I understand the diversion but why dispatch two fighter jets?



You must not have much experience at dealing with drunk females.
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:50 pm

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In seriousness I was part of a group heading off to Ibiza for someones 50th. The flight was early morning. So we went down the night before. Had a single room booked in the hotel across the way from Gatwick terminal and sat in the bar all night chatting and drinking - with the drinks being on the rooms tab.

Next day we were very careful to not be loud at check in, to use different queues and stand apart.

We all got on the flight and spent most of it asleep.

Very few who have had a drink cause problems.


See here's the thing - I suppose the point of your story is how people can/should be responsible for their own behaviour with respect to flying and consumption.
Its all fine and good that you can drink all night a board a plane, that's not really the issue. The fact that you went to such lengths to avoid "detection" - not loud, stand apart, different queues, means you know what you're doing had an element of "risk" involved.

The important part isn't that "very few who've had a drink cause problems" - of course that is true. Its that "most who cause the problems have been drinking" - which is 100% true.

Why is it so important for people to start the party before the destination? I just don't get it.
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:02 pm

I agree - we knew there was a risk. That we took care I suppose shows we were responsible, to a degree. We had a choice - get transport the night before to Gatwick (awful to get to at a very early hour) or leave in the morning at probably around a 2:30am depart. Either way it was effectively a lost nights sleep.

I do not condone it. It happened. We caused no issue.

I do agree that most problems are caused by drunks. As they are for most problems in towns at weekends. There is bar prohibition no easy answer.
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:05 pm

aircatalonia wrote:
How can a drunk female pose any kind of danger to the aircraft? Can't two people hold her until the plane lands? I understand the diversion but why dispatch two fighter jets?


Buddy, there’s no rage like a upset female !
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:17 pm

StTim wrote:
I agree - we knew there was a risk. That we took care I suppose shows we were responsible, to a degree. We had a choice - get transport the night before to Gatwick (awful to get to at a very early hour) or leave in the morning at probably around a 2:30am depart. Either way it was effectively a lost nights sleep.

I do not condone it. It happened. We caused no issue.

I do agree that most problems are caused by drunks. As they are for most problems in towns at weekends. There is bar prohibition no easy answer.

Seems to me that you and your friends drank and behaved responsibly. No need to be even slightly apologetic for that.
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:23 pm

eagles94 wrote:
Dalaman never fails to let us down.

Jet2 flight from Stansted to Dalaman returns to STN with RAF Typhoon escort after drunk female assaults crew and endangered aircraft.

Typhoons go supersonic over land to intercept.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-48732642


What is it about that place? I read a story in a Turkish newspaper about a Russian guy whose wife was walking around the pool area naked. When someone told him about it he attacked the guy and when the police came he punched one of them in the face as well. Maybe the cabin crew need to start carrying elephant tranquilizers for certain passengers.
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:27 pm

Max Q wrote:
aircatalonia wrote:
How can a drunk female pose any kind of danger to the aircraft? Can't two people hold her until the plane lands? I understand the diversion but why dispatch two fighter jets?



You must not have much experience at dealing with drunk females.


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Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:41 pm

Bricktop wrote:
StTim wrote:
I agree - we knew there was a risk. That we took care I suppose shows we were responsible, to a degree. We had a choice - get transport the night before to Gatwick (awful to get to at a very early hour) or leave in the morning at probably around a 2:30am depart. Either way it was effectively a lost nights sleep.

I do not condone it. It happened. We caused no issue.

I do agree that most problems are caused by drunks. As they are for most problems in towns at weekends. There is bar prohibition no easy answer.

Seems to me that you and your friends drank and behaved responsibly. No need to be even slightly apologetic for that.


StTim of course has no need to apologize, nor was I suggesting it. I don't care if an entire planeload wants to stay up all night drinking, as long as they don't cause me a problem, mess up my travel. Personally, I don't care for the risk of a hangover whilst flying, and will delay my partying til arrival.

Ironically, I think StTim's thinking is completely aligned with mine, in that an easy answer is to prohibit drinking at airport/onboard - why is it so controversial, if you recognize that promoting consumption in aviation is easily the leading cause of issues in flight?

BTW - problem causing drunks in towns are much more manageable than a sealed tube with captive crowd in flight. There are special rules for all kinds of different public environments, don't get why aviation is so untouchable.
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:16 pm

Without boarding the aircraft in flight, what can the RAF actually do in terms of containing a drunk pax on board a commercial flight?
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:33 pm

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Without boarding the aircraft in flight, what can the RAF actually do in terms of containing a drunk pax on board a commercial flight?


Shoot it down, problem solved.
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:52 pm

FlyHappy wrote:

Ironically, I think StTim's thinking is completely aligned with mine, in that an easy answer is to prohibit drinking at airport/onboard - why is it so controversial, if you recognize that promoting consumption in aviation is easily the leading cause of issues in flight?

BTW - problem causing drunks in towns are much more manageable than a sealed tube with captive crowd in flight. There are special rules for all kinds of different public environments, don't get why aviation is so untouchable.


Except that I wouldn't agree with prohibition. I have been on hundreds of flights, low cost through to sitting in first. I have never seen unruly behaviour in the air.


Edit to correct a typo that caused the meaning to be inaccurate.
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:56 pm

greenair727 wrote:
Without boarding the aircraft in flight, what can the RAF actually do in terms of containing a drunk pax on board a commercial flight?


Likely not told it was a drunk pax, what they will be concerned by is a crew reporting a disruptive pax trying the enter the flight deck, attacking F/A's, it is generally acknowledged that this is likely an intoxicated pax but post Sept 11th that chance is not going to be taken. Still scrambling Typhoons is unusual so the crew must have been extremely concerned.

StTim and his group did the right thing, no one wants to be a party pooper and it seems to be the case that the worst of these incidents we hear about tend to be one person, rather than a group.
While I agree that the person in this case and similar could not pay the costs of all the disruption, it should be used to compel some responsibility to airport operators, make them see things apart from their profits in booze sales.

I would be surprised if the woman in this case escapes a custodial sentence.
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:02 pm

GDB wrote:
The RAF Typhoons caused a bit of a stir in the NE London/Essex area;
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... n-arrested

That's not done lightly, must have been an especially bad case of a disruptive pax.
So Dalaman is notorious for attracting the types who are more likely to act up in the pissed up and violent Brit abroad manner now? Used to be other destinations in Spain and Greece, though this one didn't even make it past UK airspace!

Questions again about airports serving pax booze before boarding/letting them board tanked up.
Scrambling those Typhoons isn't cheap, maybe costs should be passed on to the airport or airline?

What are the fighter jets gonna do? Board the aircraft?
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:27 pm

32andBelow wrote:
GDB wrote:
The RAF Typhoons caused a bit of a stir in the NE London/Essex area;
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... n-arrested

That's not done lightly, must have been an especially bad case of a disruptive pax.
So Dalaman is notorious for attracting the types who are more likely to act up in the pissed up and violent Brit abroad manner now? Used to be other destinations in Spain and Greece, though this one didn't even make it past UK airspace!

Questions again about airports serving pax booze before boarding/letting them board tanked up.
Scrambling those Typhoons isn't cheap, maybe costs should be passed on to the airport or airline?

What are the fighter jets gonna do? Board the aircraft?


Everybody is missing the point that the disruptive passenger attempted to gain entry into the cockpit, thus turning the situation from a disruptive idiot into an attempted hijacking.
The Typhoons were there, following protocol, to take the aircraft down if necessary.
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:36 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
flyingclrs727 wrote:
Alcohol has a stronger effect at lower cabin altitude.


Alcohol has a stronger effect at a lower cabin PRESSURE (higher perceived altitude).


Arrgh, that's what I thought I wrote.
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:44 pm

StTim wrote:
FlyHappy wrote:

Ironically, I think StTim's thinking is completely aligned with mine, in that an easy answer is to prohibit drinking at airport/onboard - why is it so controversial, if you recognize that promoting consumption in aviation is easily the leading cause of issues in flight?

BTW - problem causing drunks in towns are much more manageable than a sealed tube with captive crowd in flight. There are special rules for all kinds of different public environments, don't get why aviation is so untouchable.


Except that I wouldn't agree with prohibition. I have been on hundreds of flights, low cost through to sitting in first. I have never seen unruly behaviour in the air.


Edit to correct a typo that caused the meaning to be inaccurate.


I know you do not agree with prohibition, but as a reasonable chap, I ask why, since you acknowledge the high correlation of problem pax on flights with consumption? why promote the root cause, why is it so important?
I also have been on many flights, and have not personally been impacted (ie, divert) by drunk, unruly pax, but all the flights by all the members of a.net aren't even a rounding error of total flights, and so really don't speak to the scope/cost/inconvenience of the problem.
Having said that - I have seen distasteful and unnecessary behaviour by drunk pax, mostly loud cursing, occasional sickness, and unjustified outrage at FA's when they are "cut off".
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 3:49 pm

FlyHappy wrote:
StTim wrote:
FlyHappy wrote:

Ironically, I think StTim's thinking is completely aligned with mine, in that an easy answer is to prohibit drinking at airport/onboard - why is it so controversial, if you recognize that promoting consumption in aviation is easily the leading cause of issues in flight?

BTW - problem causing drunks in towns are much more manageable than a sealed tube with captive crowd in flight. There are special rules for all kinds of different public environments, don't get why aviation is so untouchable.


Except that I wouldn't agree with prohibition. I have been on hundreds of flights, low cost through to sitting in first. I have never seen unruly behaviour in the air.


Edit to correct a typo that caused the meaning to be inaccurate.


I know you do not agree with prohibition, but as a reasonable chap, I ask why, since you acknowledge the high correlation of problem pax on flights with consumption? why promote the root cause, why is it so important?
I also have been on many flights, and have not personally been impacted (ie, divert) by drunk, unruly pax, but all the flights by all the members of a.net aren't even a rounding error of total flights, and so really don't speak to the scope/cost/inconvenience of the problem.
Having said that - I have seen distasteful and unnecessary behaviour by drunk pax, mostly loud cursing, occasional sickness, and unjustified outrage at FA's when they are "cut off".



It is a numbers thing. Yes we hear about the effect of disruptive passengers - but this is actually a quite rare event - given the number of flights and passengers.

To stop this you have to impact thousands of people who enjoy a drink and often use the time we have to spend at the airport as a chance for a couple of drinks.

If the number of disruptive passengers grew then I may have to change my viewpoint.
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:12 pm

StTim wrote:
FlyHappy wrote:
StTim wrote:

Except that I wouldn't agree with prohibition. I have been on hundreds of flights, low cost through to sitting in first. I have never seen unruly behaviour in the air.


Edit to correct a typo that caused the meaning to be inaccurate.


I know you do not agree with prohibition, but as a reasonable chap, I ask why, since you acknowledge the high correlation of problem pax on flights with consumption? why promote the root cause, why is it so important?
I also have been on many flights, and have not personally been impacted (ie, divert) by drunk, unruly pax, but all the flights by all the members of a.net aren't even a rounding error of total flights, and so really don't speak to the scope/cost/inconvenience of the problem.
Having said that - I have seen distasteful and unnecessary behaviour by drunk pax, mostly loud cursing, occasional sickness, and unjustified outrage at FA's when they are "cut off".



It is a numbers thing. Yes we hear about the effect of disruptive passengers - but this is actually a quite rare event - given the number of flights and passengers.

To stop this you have to impact thousands of people who enjoy a drink and often use the time we have to spend at the airport as a chance for a couple of drinks.

If the number of disruptive passengers grew then I may have to change my viewpoint.


I agree - it is a rare event.
But when it happens, it is very, very costly to hundreds of pax, carriers, aiports in money and more importantly - time. I will be super pissed if I ever lose a vacation day or business appt because a single pax couldn't control themselves with booze freely promoted by airports/airlines.

Why is the need to consume at the airport or in the air so important, and why such a large perceived impact if it weren't available? Pax can drink before they arrive (as you did), and obviously after they arrive?

In fact, I think I've just altered my own position on the issue: I think airport alcohol should be city side only, not air side. I still think on board booze is unnecessary and only causes problems.
(yes, yes - I'm quite aware that none of my opinions have *any* chance of ever taking foot. I'm just espousing what I consider common sense)
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:12 pm

Having had experience with drunk females... Some of them can be pretty vicious,violent and downright nasty.

Back to aviation content.

Living not to far away from RAF Conningsby, It's always a joy to watch and hear a QRA scramble, and hear them break the sound barrier.

For those not familiar with the RAF or QRA scramble. Sky News did a piece a few years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hijzP1zzLI
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:34 pm

I have seen QRA come back into Leuchars, land then taxi to be pointing out to sea. Armourer goes in to replace the safety pins before the jet turns around again back to the hanger.
 
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Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:40 pm

The problem HAS grown. I've worked in airports going on 40 years now; and I see a lot more of this than there ever used to be. Is it proportionate to more flights/people? Maybe....statistically, I can't say if it has moved the needle much. But this behavior causes a LOT more problems now than in the past when crap like this was easier to recover from. Now you have volumes of missed connections by other passengers, maybe crews timing out, no alternate rebookings for affected non-drunk people because everyone's flights are all so full now. These people need a lesson; I don't condone pulling everyone's drink but if you are the one that causes something, beware. And I think it DOES make people think twice if there is a suitable response to their irresponsibility.

Case in point: Recently a guy on one of our trips got himself very over-indulged in a certain South American airport. When he tried to check in for his flight back to the US, he was denied boarding due to his drunkeness. He then proceeded to create a scene, using the best profanity at full voice volume, berating the airport staff. He finally left the counter and went outside the terminal. He had called a lot of attention to himself with all the commotion he caused. So when he got outside he was mugged by several people and relieved of all his belongings, including phone, laptop, wallet, etc.

The next day, now sober, penniless and much humbled, he had to beg the airport staff to help him get home. He had no money for anything and no way to communicate with anyone as his phone and laptop were long gone. This was the same airport staff he cursed and raged at the previous day. They let him use his previous days' ticket to board a flight. When he got here to the US he came to my location for assistance. When I read the incident commentary in his reservation, I felt little sympathy for this idiot but I couldn't just let him flounder around. I let him use my phone to call his family, so at least they knew he was ok. Then I found a flight to get him to his home airport. He was very gratefull and said, ''never again, learned my lesson.'' Maybe; people say things like that and often regress. But I bet he'll be a lot more careful the next time he drinks and travels. There has to be consequences for these actions; I'm not saying he or anyone should be mugged and assaulted but there has to be SOMETHING unpleasant that makes them wake up and take responsibility. A huge fine, lien placed on the person for reparations due to intermediate landings, whatever. They need to feel some pain.
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Re: Disruptive passenger triggers Fighter jet escort & sonic boom.

Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:45 pm

I believe Squawking 7500 in UK airspace automatically triggers the QRA.
 
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Re: Disruptive passenger triggers Fighter jet escort & sonic boom.

Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:04 pm

As a side note I was at the American Airlines lounge at LAX at around 1000 am last week and there were many people drinking beer and hard drinks.
 
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Re: Disruptive passenger triggers Fighter jet escort & sonic boom.

Sun Jun 23, 2019 5:08 pm

Pax trying to breach the flight deck is the red line on caa categories . As soon as this was told to atc the highest level of response would have been put in place . As stated the typhoons are there if culprit breaches flight deck and takes control to shoot it down/ escort if needed . Hopefully this person can think about their actions while sitting in a cold prison cell and to all others be a warning of zero tolerance
 
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Re: Disruptive passenger triggers Fighter jet escort & sonic boom.

Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:02 pm

A news update about the drunken female.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-49017838

A life time ban and a bill for £85,000.00. "She must now face up to the consequences of her actions, and we will vigorously pursue to recover the costs that we incurred as a result of this divert, as we do with all disruptive passengers."

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Re: Disruptive passenger triggers Fighter jet escort & sonic boom.

Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:18 pm

StTim wrote:
In seriousness I was part of a group heading off to Ibiza for someones 50th. The flight was early morning. So we went down the night before. Had a single room booked in the hotel across the way from Gatwick terminal and sat in the bar all night chatting and drinking - with the drinks being on the rooms tab.

Next day we were very careful to not be loud at check in, to use different queues and stand apart.

We all got on the flight and spent most of it asleep.

Very few who have had a drink cause problems.


I have been smashed out drunk on flights many times, either from going directly from a Party to the airport or from getting drunk on the plane with friends. Never ever have I/we been loud, obnoxious let alone violent. Most of us know how to behave in society, be it sober or drunk.
 
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Re: Disruptive passenger triggers Fighter jet escort & sonic boom.

Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:49 pm

Thibault973 wrote:
StTim wrote:
In seriousness I was part of a group heading off to Ibiza for someones 50th. The flight was early morning. So we went down the night before. Had a single room booked in the hotel across the way from Gatwick terminal and sat in the bar all night chatting and drinking - with the drinks being on the rooms tab.

Next day we were very careful to not be loud at check in, to use different queues and stand apart.

We all got on the flight and spent most of it asleep.

Very few who have had a drink cause problems.


I have been smashed out drunk on flights many times, either from going directly from a Party to the airport or from getting drunk on the plane with friends. Never ever have I/we been loud, obnoxious let alone violent. Most of us know how to behave in society, be it sober or drunk.


There are different sorts of drunks, it makes some sleepy, it makes some loquacious, it makes some loud, it unfortunately makes some violent.

I know where I fit on that spectrum.
 
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Re: Disruptive passenger triggers Fighter jet escort & sonic boom.

Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:49 pm

32andBelow wrote:
GDB wrote:
The RAF Typhoons caused a bit of a stir in the NE London/Essex area;
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... n-arrested

That's not done lightly, must have been an especially bad case of a disruptive pax.
So Dalaman is notorious for attracting the types who are more likely to act up in the pissed up and violent Brit abroad manner now? Used to be other destinations in Spain and Greece, though this one didn't even make it past UK airspace!

Questions again about airports serving pax booze before boarding/letting them board tanked up.
Scrambling those Typhoons isn't cheap, maybe costs should be passed on to the airport or airline?

What are the fighter jets gonna do? Board the aircraft?


If there is a risk of the cockpit being compromised and the plane being used as a weapon, shooting the aircraft down is a pre-emotive option.
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:55 pm

vaughanparry wrote:

That is what JET2 are seeking. As far as I can make out so far she only has a £450 fine from the courts.
She can just ignore that bill from jet2 and they would have to try and pursue getting payment through a civil Court.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:20 am

This report names her and states she has yet to appear in court, she was bailed to appear later this month, if she is prosecuted we might yet see a custodial sentence;
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... cort-plane
 
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Re: Disruptive passenger triggers Fighter jet escort & sonic boom.

Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:38 am

aircatalonia wrote:
How can a drunk female pose any kind of danger to the aircraft? Can't two people hold her until the plane lands? I understand the diversion but why dispatch two fighter jets?
We have somehow arrived at a place where "assault" can mean something as trivial as pointing a threatening finger at someone. Hence anybody legitimately restraining this wayward madam and thereby causing the mildest of bruising to her precious fair skin could find themselves defending a charge of assault in this mad world.
But it's ok to taser people (if you have such a weapon to hand), causing them untold pain and possible risk to health. Just don't leave any actual bruises or physically touch them in any way.
mattyfitzg wrote:
According to the reports, she tried to enter the flight deck, and assaulted two members of the crew at the front of the aircraft.
Did she throw punches? Or was it just a case of pushing & shoving and loud cries of "get your hands off me you filthy perv"?
Even the police seem afraid to lay hands on anyone these days. Handcuffs, yes. Taser, same again. But physically hold someone - very dangerous. When exactly did we lose our collective sanity?

mattyfitzg wrote:
Doesn't matter who she is or why she may have done it, but on paper is that not classed as attempted hijack???? I'd imagine that's why the Typhoons were scrambled.
If the modern cockpit doors installed since 9/11 are unable to withstand an uncoordinated attack by a single drunken female, gawd help us when someone with serious intent has a go.
As for attempted hijack; if we are not careful, quietly musing that we wished our flight was going to Paradise instead boring old Paris will soon be classed as a criminal offence. And I would serving multiple life sentences for all the occasions that I have knocked on the cockpit door to ask if there was any chance of a quick play with the controls,...…

However, since it hasn't been mentioned..... she did NOT attempt to enter the flight deck.
Yes, that's right. Read the report below. She did not attempt to enter the flight deck. :o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48756189
It appears that when the pilot confirmed that the cockpit was still safe & secure, ATC somehow added 2 + 2 and came up with five, causing the Typhoons to be scrambled. :banghead:

mwhcvt wrote:
A voyager was also scrambled out of Brize because of course sustained SS flight will have fuel burning real quick
Just for the benefit of non-UK readers, a "Voyager" is an A330 MRTT like one of these.

However, as Typhoons are one of a number of modern fighter a/c that are able to supercruise at say Mach 1.5 (i.e. without requiring afterburner), they have a surprisingly decent range and probably could have chased the Jet2 a/c all the way to Dalaman before needing a top-up.
Not to mention that going supersonic was totally unnecessary in the first place.
But it looks real good in the papers to see the RAF flex its' muscle every now and then.
Nothing to see here; move along please.

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