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Bamboo Airways looks at A380 lease, service to USA in 2020

Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:45 pm

This one out of left field...


Start-up carrier Bamboo Airways intends to launch Vietnam’s first direct flights to the US by early next year on a leased Airbus A380, signaling the ambition of the newest entrant to one of Asia’s fastest-growing aviation markets. 

Trinh Van Quyet, chairman and chief executive of FLC, the Hanoi-based real estate and resorts group that owns the airline, said Bamboo had applied to US aviation authorities for permission to fly to the US and was now pinning down details of the non-stop flight. 

“We will start in the first quarter of 2020 if we get permission by the end of this year,” Mr Quyet told the Financial Times. 

The US Federal Aviation Administration in February opened the door to direct flights, awarding Vietnam a “Category 1” rating confirming the country meets international safety standards. That cleared Vietnamese airlines to fly to the US and code-share with American carriers.


Vietnam start-up Bamboo Airways eyes first direct flight to US
https://www.ft.com/content/28e5f698-963 ... c211dcd229

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Re: Bamboo Airways looks at A380 lease, service to USA in 2020

Thu Jun 27, 2019 6:49 pm

I’m guessing they are talking about using Hi-Fly.
 
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Re: Bamboo Airways looks at A380 lease, service to USA in 2020

Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:03 pm

I could sort of maybe understand this if there were an appreciable tourist market from the U.S. but there are a lot of closer beach destinations which also don't require entry visas (or pre-approval letters). I can see a potential connection with selling resort packages since that's the business of the ownership group but I don't think the market is there and catering to VFR traffic seems like a sure-fire way to burn cash.
 
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Re: Bamboo Airways looks at A380 lease, service to USA in 2020

Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:12 pm

Lets hope it's Hi-Fly and they are not mental enough to lease their own!
 
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Re: Bamboo Airways looks at A380 lease, service to USA in 2020

Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:22 pm

Man, I keep forgetting 2020 is next year and not the distant future.

Anyway, I had always figured VN would be the first to launch US-Vietnam service with their A350 to LAX or SFO. I wish them luck but I'll believe it'll be successful when I see it.
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Re: Bamboo Airways looks at A380 lease, service to USA in 2020

Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:30 pm

I could see this making sense if it was 30-50 seat biz class and 600+ seat coach configuration. Anything else seems dicey to me, but it’s not my money.
 
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Re: Bamboo Airways looks at A380 lease, service to USA in 2020

Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:01 pm

So in other words, Bamboo Airways seeks impending bankruptcy.


Prost wrote:
I could see this making sense if it was 30-50 seat biz class and 600+ seat coach configuration.

Though I'd wonder if such a configuration could (1) reliably cover the distance of a nonstop LAX-SGN, and (2) ever hope to make money.

Going SFO-HAN would help with item-1, but would forsake the largest destination city in the USA and the largest origin market in Vietnam.

Not sure anything can help with item-2 though.



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Man, I keep forgetting 2020 is next year and not the distant future.

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Re: Bamboo Airways looks at A380 lease, service to USA in 2020

Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:20 pm

Regardless of economic viability, that's a long way on a very early (overweight and lower MTOW) A380..
 
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Re: Bamboo Airways looks at A380 lease, service to USA in 2020

Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:52 pm

This was the airline that ordered widebody aircraft less then three weeks after beginning operations...


Armodeen wrote:
Lets hope it's Hi-Fly and they are not mental enough to lease their own!

Let's hope for Hi-Fly's sake that they pay for the lease in advance.
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Re: Bamboo Airways looks at A380 lease, service to USA in 2020

Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:37 pm

There's this tweet that's a few months old about Bamboo launching Hanoi - Taipei - LAX.

https://mobile.twitter.com/talkairlines ... 1920060416
 
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Thu Jun 27, 2019 11:15 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
Man, I keep forgetting 2020 is next year and not the distant future.


Cheers to that.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:09 am

Polot wrote:
I’m guessing they are talking about using Hi-Fly.

I flew with them several times in April. They use several TK-registered A320s with Turkish crew (the FA's were delighted when I said "Teshekuler" to them :-) ...). If true, I guess you are right. A wild card could be MH as well, shorter transfer distance from KL to Hanoi than from Portugal...

zkojq wrote:
This was the airline that ordered widebody aircraft less then three weeks after beginning operations...

And I already spotted one of them....

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.... in their on-board magazine. :-)

ScottB wrote:
I could sort of maybe understand this if there were an appreciable tourist market from the U.S. but there are a lot of closer beach destinations which also don't require entry visas (or pre-approval letters).

??? Maybe it's different for US Americans. For Europeans it's visa on arrival in case you stay less than two weeks (and typically tourists do not stay longer than two weeks (... even though, once you had your first Pho Hanoi, you might not leave VN again...))
 
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Re: Bamboo Airways looks at A380 lease, service to USA in 2020

Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:29 am

BWIAirport wrote:
Man, I keep forgetting 2020 is next year and not the distant future.

Anyway, I had always figured VN would be the first to launch US-Vietnam service with their A350 to LAX or SFO. I wish them luck but I'll believe it'll be successful when I see it.


Yeah there was a time when 2020 was SO FAR AWAY. Like it was the "FUTURE".

Bamboo Airways leasing A380 to start flights to the US.......Bad Idea........
 
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Re: Bamboo Airways looks at A380 lease, service to USA in 2020

Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:59 am

Hey, maybe the lease is cheap. There are certainly plenty of A380s sitting around not being used. And if they don't need to spend 50 million dollars on refurbishing them like BA then maybe they can make money. A low cost airline like this could potentially do long-haul with low frequency and save money by rolling two flights into one.
 
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Re: Bamboo Airways looks at A380 lease, service to USA in 2020

Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:53 pm

I still have hopes that some of these 380s could be wet leased to a variety of airlines and live on for 30 years. And be on tap for recovery after the odd volcano, ice storm etc.
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Re: Bamboo Airways looks at A380 lease, service to USA in 2020

Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:06 pm

SFO-DAD? Can DAD handle 380s?
 
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Re: Bamboo Airways looks at A380 lease, service to USA in 2020

Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:06 pm

ScottB wrote:
I could sort of maybe understand this if there were an appreciable tourist market from the U.S. but there are a lot of closer beach destinations which also don't require entry visas (or pre-approval letters). I can see a potential connection with selling resort packages since that's the business of the ownership group but I don't think the market is there and catering to VFR traffic seems like a sure-fire way to burn cash.


Somehow I don't think most American's looking to go to Vietnam are going for the beach.

There ids actually a sizeable Vietnamese population in the US, many who are second generation and interested in going back to learn about where they came from (many came over with fathers who fought in the Vietnam war). I think it is also right now one of the "hot" countries for the more adventurous tourists. I could actually see there being enough demand.
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Re: Bamboo Airways looks at A380 lease, service to USA in 2020

Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:34 pm

cloudboy wrote:
ScottB wrote:
I could sort of maybe understand this if there were an appreciable tourist market from the U.S. but there are a lot of closer beach destinations which also don't require entry visas (or pre-approval letters). I can see a potential connection with selling resort packages since that's the business of the ownership group but I don't think the market is there and catering to VFR traffic seems like a sure-fire way to burn cash.


Somehow I don't think most American's looking to go to Vietnam are going for the beach.

There ids actually a sizeable Vietnamese population in the US, many who are second generation and interested in going back to learn about where they came from (many came over with fathers who fought in the Vietnam war). I think it is also right now one of the "hot" countries for the more adventurous tourists. I could actually see there being enough demand.


The demand has never been the issue. The yields are - are those adventurous tourists or 2nd generation Vietnamese going back to see family or connect with their roots willing to pay enough to make a flight that is that long profitable?
 
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Re: Bamboo Airways looks at A380 lease, service to USA in 2020

Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:38 pm

Sorry but this is absurd. They're a startup, and they haven't even touched long-haul ops to Australia or Europe (where it would be much easier to get a hang of things) and they wanna use the world's largest passenger jet to fly to the complete other side of the world, which not even VN has done? I really like Bamboo and I hope they do well, but good luck with that
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Re: Bamboo Airways looks at A380 lease, service to USA in 2020

Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:59 pm

dmstorm22 wrote:
cloudboy wrote:
ScottB wrote:
I could sort of maybe understand this if there were an appreciable tourist market from the U.S. but there are a lot of closer beach destinations which also don't require entry visas (or pre-approval letters). I can see a potential connection with selling resort packages since that's the business of the ownership group but I don't think the market is there and catering to VFR traffic seems like a sure-fire way to burn cash.


Somehow I don't think most American's looking to go to Vietnam are going for the beach.

There ids actually a sizeable Vietnamese population in the US, many who are second generation and interested in going back to learn about where they came from (many came over with fathers who fought in the Vietnam war). I think it is also right now one of the "hot" countries for the more adventurous tourists. I could actually see there being enough demand.


The demand has never been the issue. The yields are - are those adventurous tourists or 2nd generation Vietnamese going back to see family or connect with their roots willing to pay enough to make a flight that is that long profitable?


That's the issue. Thai Airways has never been able to make LAX work because it's all low yielding tourist traffic and a really long flight. And I would think there's much more demand there than Vietnam right now.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:01 pm

What could possibly go wrong ...
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:52 pm

This just made my day. Even if it doesn't materialize, it's great to see an airline believing in the power of the A380.
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Re: Bamboo Airways looks at A380 lease, service to USA in 2020

Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:15 pm

There must be some kind of business case, otherwise they wouldn't be considering it (and if there's not, we'll probably never see them flying the A380). They could easily lease a smaller aircraft were it not deemed viable.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:22 pm

peterinlisbon wrote:
Hey, maybe the lease is cheap. There are certainly plenty of A380s sitting around not being used. And if they don't need to spend 50 million dollars on refurbishing them like BA then maybe they can make money. A low cost airline like this could potentially do long-haul with low frequency and save money by rolling two flights into one.

Or maybe, it true, it’s just kind of marketing campaign, let’s say for one year or even one season only until they will receive their first Dreamliners. :scratchchin:
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:49 am

N14AZ wrote:
peterinlisbon wrote:
Hey, maybe the lease is cheap. There are certainly plenty of A380s sitting around not being used. And if they don't need to spend 50 million dollars on refurbishing them like BA then maybe they can make money. A low cost airline like this could potentially do long-haul with low frequency and save money by rolling two flights into one.

Or maybe, it true, it’s just kind of marketing campaign, let’s say for one year or even one season only until they will receive their first Dreamliners. :scratchchin:


Yes, that would make sense. I don't know why everyone is freaking out about this. These planes still have plenty of life left in them and if they can fill them, then they'll make money. HiFly seem to be doing ok.
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:32 am

peterinlisbon wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
peterinlisbon wrote:
Hey, maybe the lease is cheap. There are certainly plenty of A380s sitting around not being used. And if they don't need to spend 50 million dollars on refurbishing them like BA then maybe they can make money. A low cost airline like this could potentially do long-haul with low frequency and save money by rolling two flights into one.

Or maybe, it true, it’s just kind of marketing campaign, let’s say for one year or even one season only until they will receive their first Dreamliners. :scratchchin:


Yes, that would make sense. I don't know why everyone is freaking out about this. These planes still have plenty of life left in them and if they can fill them, then they'll make money. HiFly seem to be doing ok.


HIFLY doesn't sell tickets to passengers, they lease planes on a short term basis to airlines needing extra capacity. HiFly get paid no matter how many passengers fly.
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 5:54 pm

jfk777 wrote:
peterinlisbon wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Or maybe, it true, it’s just kind of marketing campaign, let’s say for one year or even one season only until they will receive their first Dreamliners. :scratchchin:


Yes, that would make sense. I don't know why everyone is freaking out about this. These planes still have plenty of life left in them and if they can fill them, then they'll make money. HiFly seem to be doing ok.


HIFLY doesn't sell tickets to passengers, they lease planes on a short term basis to airlines needing extra capacity. HiFly get paid no matter how many passengers fly.


That's true, but the point is that they're making money flying A380s, probably in part because they didn't pay much for them.
 
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SFO-DAD? Can DAD handle 380s?

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