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Boeing falsified records for a 787 sold to AC

Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:25 am

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/boeing ... -1.5193550

Boeing staff falsified records for a 787 jet built for Air Canada which developed a fuel leak ten months into service in 2015.

In a statement to CBC News, Boeing said it self-disclosed the problem to the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration after Air Canada notified them of the fuel leak.

The records stated that manufacturing work had been completed when it had not.

Boeing said an audit concluded it was an isolated event and "immediate corrective action was initiated for both the Boeing mechanic and the Boeing inspector involved."


The optics of this are pretty bad, at least in Canada where 3 major airlines have had a significant impact from the Max grounding. Front page news on the CBC website this morning. Good to see it came to light and nothing happened.
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Re: Boeing falsified records for a 787 sold to AC

Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:31 am

At this rate, Boeing need not worry about the "MAX" branding any more. If they aren't careful, it'll be the "Boeing" name that will be scaring off passengers.
 
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Re: Boeing falsified records for a 787 sold to AC

Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:47 am

Am I wrong in thinking this is actually not all that uncommon? Not saying it's ok, just that it happens more often than it makes its way to a.net.
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Re: Boeing falsified records for a 787 sold to AC

Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:51 am

gatibosgru wrote:
Am I wrong in thinking this is actually not all that uncommon? Not saying it's ok, just that it happens more often than it makes its way to a.net.


You’re probably not wrong, Boeing is under a massive microscope so any little screw up is going to get it’s own article. Kicking someone while their down essentially.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:55 am

Let me guess, Charleston plant 787?
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:37 am

gatibosgru wrote:
Am I wrong in thinking this is actually not all that uncommon? Not saying it's ok, just that it happens more often than it makes its way to a.net.


I don't know whether it's common or not, but that being published now with the Max' catastrophes and ensuing scrutiny is not good for Boeing. Didn't they knew, back then, when TW800 exploded, that there was a risk with the exact same fuel tank that caused the explosion?
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:50 am

VSMUT wrote:
At this rate, Boeing need not worry about the "MAX" branding any more. If they aren't careful, it'll be the "Boeing" name that will be scaring off passengers.


Judging from the comments section it looks like it already is, at least here in Canada.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:07 am

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
Am I wrong in thinking this is actually not all that uncommon? Not saying it's ok, just that it happens more often than it makes its way to a.net.


I don't know whether it's common or not, but that being published now with the Max' catastrophes and ensuing scrutiny is not good for Boeing. Didn't they knew, back then, when TW800 exploded, that there was a risk with the exact same fuel tank that caused the explosion?


That was mainly due to the bad wire insulation they were using on the FQIS in the early 70s. Much has improved since then after the TWA and other electrical wiring accidents like Swissair 111 and AC 797.

This 787 news sounds criminal on the part of the QA individuals involved...
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:50 am

Oh one Boeing mechanic and a qa inspector stamped something false and the news says the whole company is responsible.. just wonderful. Both people were fired. I wonder what's next
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:53 am

ikolkyo wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
Am I wrong in thinking this is actually not all that uncommon? Not saying it's ok, just that it happens more often than it makes its way to a.net.


You’re probably not wrong, Boeing is under a massive microscope so any little screw up is going to get it’s own article. Kicking someone while their down essentially.


The only entity responsible for Boeing’s endless screwups is Boeing.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:46 pm

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Oh one Boeing mechanic and a qa inspector stamped something false and the news says the whole company is responsible.. just wonderful. Both people were fired. I wonder what's next

I’m sorry but the company is responsible. It’s still their airplane and most importantly the “error” was made by Boeing employees that Boeing hired. I think it’s pretty reasonable to say that those employees were the reason for this but that Boeing is responsible for it.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:52 pm

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Oh one Boeing mechanic and a qa inspector stamped something false and the news says the whole company is responsible.. just wonderful. Both people were fired. I wonder what's next


"Corrective actions" should be next, so that it does not happen again. And this is the area where Boeing constantly dragged their collective feet when confronted by FAA.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:43 pm

Every other aircraft manufacturer has to be quite concerned about every little nitpick being reported at Boeing. Surely they all have the same dirty laundry somewhere in their operations
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:47 pm

a19901213 wrote:
Let me guess, Charleston plant 787?


Sadly my first thought, too.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:52 pm

Wasn't there a news report quoting some whistleblowers from the SC 787 plant saying exactly they do this (i.e. falsification of documentation, inspector releasing incomplete planes, etc.) at the plant? Boeing denied that fiercely after the news, and now this...
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:55 pm

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
Am I wrong in thinking this is actually not all that uncommon? Not saying it's ok, just that it happens more often than it makes its way to a.net.


I don't know whether it's common or not, but that being published now with the Max' catastrophes and ensuing scrutiny is not good for Boeing. Didn't they knew, back then, when TW800 exploded, that there was a risk with the exact same fuel tank that caused the explosion?


Remember, though, that TWA 800 occurred on a 25-year old plane, with no other occurrences in any of the operating history.

However, Boeing in this case is going to have to deal with the intense scrutiny of its records, and every minor detail that isn't 100% verifiable is going to be pounced on. Every shortcut that has been taken needs to be analyzed and either approved or disproved by authorities, and the relentless drive towards "increasing profit margins every year for the investors" has to stop.

Every plane coming off the assembly line has to be scrutinized by Boeing, and then by the airline. If one of them misses something, the other should find it. Anything less than Boeing's "A" game is playing with people's lives, and any cost-cutting measures whatsoever should result in jail time. Honest mistakes, however, should result in re-training from top to bottom in the chain of command. Whatever has happened here needs to be rectified and become a permanent part of design, production, and training.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:56 pm

I recall when I was at Boeing Field in Seattle (some 20 years ago) as a customer representative for three years that they went through a bad QA phase over that period. We had ordered seven aircraft and each own had incorrectly installed rear bulkheads. Boeing had just been through a big cycle of lay-offs and then (during this period) brought in ton of machinists that could barely speak aviation. I recall our QA inspector stating that some of the new machinists only had car mechanic and even lawnmower repair skills on their resume. Maybe this is part of the issue at assembly level. As stated in an earlier post, I think that the certification process between FAA and Boeing is far too comfortable. Anyhow for all our sakes we hope the review casts a broader net which will help Boeing and the travelling public.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:58 pm

raylee67 wrote:
Wasn't there a news report quoting some whistleblowers from the SC 787 plant saying exactly they do this (i.e. falsification of documentation, inspector releasing incomplete planes, etc.) at the plant? Boeing denied that fiercely after the news, and now this...


Al-Jazeera did and exposé of sorts a couple of years ago on the goings-on at the Charleston Plant but I remember it being mostly lambasted by the B fanboys here on a-net. Showed tons of mishaps, employees getting high at work etc..

edit* it was 4 years ago, here's the Youtube link :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvkEpstd9os
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:11 pm

sigh again? Man I'm finding it hard to defend Boeing.

That said in a company as large as they are how do you weed out bad apples like this? Im glad it was caught and they reported, thats something at least.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:24 pm

Boeing is a great company with a great product. But like any others, I think that they reached a level where, they have to look at everything they do. Mishaps do happened and thankfully, they have a check and balance system to fix things as they occur. Obviously, they need to polish this department for sure. As they are a big manufacturer, very much spread out, lots of aircrafts on order, the pressure is on more than ever to deliver. Nevermind the MAX issues with the public perceptions of safety vs profits, I think the airlines and indeed the travelling public has lost confidence. I am tired to tell my family and friends regarding Boeing aircrafts, "if the pilot is going, Im going" It doesn't work for reassurance anymore.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:28 pm

nycbjr wrote:
sigh again? Man I'm finding it hard to defend Boeing.

That said in a company as large as they are how do you weed out bad apples like this? Im glad it was caught and they reported, thats something at least.


Boeing needs to create a culture that can support transparency when it comes to dealing with such issues. Boeing is behind the curve on this based on what we have learnt about MCAS.

This was caught by the Airline, not Boeing. That said, in certain products like commercial aircraft - you expect 100% quality assurance. At a minimum Boeing needs to notify every customer whose plane went through the QA by the people who were involved. Even if Boeing did not uncover anything else in their audit. It would be prudent for Boeing to do this.

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Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:46 pm

ikolkyo wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
Am I wrong in thinking this is actually not all that uncommon? Not saying it's ok, just that it happens more often than it makes its way to a.net.


You’re probably not wrong, Boeing is under a massive microscope so any little screw up is going to get it’s own article. Kicking someone while their down essentially.

Kicking someone while they are down because that’s the only way you could kick someone so powerful otherwise they are invincible. They deserve this. Ask yourself, is it a screwup if it’s deliberate?
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I recall when I was at Boeing Field in Seattle (some 20 years ago) as a customer representative for three years that they went through a bad QA phase over that period. We had ordered seven aircraft and each own had incorrectly installed rear bulkheads. Boeing had just been through a big cycle of lay-offs and then (during this period) brought in ton of machinists that could barely speak aviation. I recall our QA inspector stating that some of the new machinists only had car mechanic and even lawnmower repair skills on their resume. Maybe this is part of the issue at assembly level. As stated in an earlier post, I think that the certification process between FAA and Boeing is far too comfortable. Anyhow for all our sakes we hope the review casts a broader net which will help Boeing and the travelling public.

Great story and insight, not surprising at all though.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:55 pm

xmp125a wrote:
Spetsnaz55 wrote:
Oh one Boeing mechanic and a qa inspector stamped something false and the news says the whole company is responsible.. just wonderful. Both people were fired. I wonder what's next


"Corrective actions" should be next, so that it does not happen again. And this is the area where Boeing constantly dragged their collective feet when confronted by FAA.



Read the article. Boeing found the problem and corrective action was initiated right away. Problem fixed. Employees fired. Yes Boeing did hire these people in, but people change? People lie? They got fired right away and soon as it was known
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:58 pm

subramak1 wrote:
nycbjr wrote:
sigh again? Man I'm finding it hard to defend Boeing.

That said in a company as large as they are how do you weed out bad apples like this? Im glad it was caught and they reported, thats something at least.


Boeing needs to create a culture that can support transparency when it comes to dealing with such issues. Boeing is behind the curve on this based on what we have learnt about MCAS.

This was caught by the Airline, not Boeing. That said, in certain products like commercial aircraft - you expect 100% quality assurance. At a minimum Boeing needs to notify every customer whose plane went through the QA by the people who were involved. Even if Boeing did not uncover anything else in their audit. It would be prudent for Boeing to do this.

Subu


The airline reported the fuel leak. Boeing looked into the leak and found the falsification by the employee. And fired him. Read the article.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 3:59 pm

The problem with firing the people is that Boeing created the culture to encourage their bad behavior in the first place. By firing them, Boeing dealt with the symptom, not the disease. They need leadership change and cultural change imho.

Punitive action is not acceptable in a safety conscious business, which should encourage people to report problems not hide them.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:21 pm

I'm finding all of this hard to believe... I just find it outrageous that the manufacturer of some of the world's most advanced vehicles can make so many mistakes like this. First the 737, then the 787, now the 787 again...
That being said, I find it interesting that we are having a sudden surge of AC related topics.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:30 pm

AC77X wrote:
I'm finding all of this hard to believe... I just find it outrageous that the manufacturer of some of the world's most advanced vehicles can make so many mistakes like this. First the 737, then the 787, now the 787 again...
That being said, I find it interesting that we are having a sudden surge of AC related topics.


Don't forget the whole KC-46 issues too (even though it's quite similar to the 787 story). I really like Boeing, but in the last 6 months they've showed themselves to be extremely petty.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:30 pm

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The problem with firing the people is that Boeing created the culture to encourage their bad behavior in the first place. By firing them, Boeing dealt with the symptom, not the disease. They need leadership change and cultural change imho.

Punitive action is not acceptable in a safety conscious business, which should encourage people to report problems not hide them.


How do you know this was a cultural issue rather than individual laziness?
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:31 pm

Spetsnaz55 wrote:
subramak1 wrote:
nycbjr wrote:
sigh again? Man I'm finding it hard to defend Boeing.

That said in a company as large as they are how do you weed out bad apples like this? Im glad it was caught and they reported, thats something at least.


Boeing needs to create a culture that can support transparency when it comes to dealing with such issues. Boeing is behind the curve on this based on what we have learnt about MCAS.

This was caught by the Airline, not Boeing. That said, in certain products like commercial aircraft - you expect 100% quality assurance. At a minimum Boeing needs to notify every customer whose plane went through the QA by the people who were involved. Even if Boeing did not uncover anything else in their audit. It would be prudent for Boeing to do this.

Subu


The airline reported the fuel leak. Boeing looked into the leak and found the falsification by the employee. And fired him. Read the article.


And did Boeing review other planes QAed by the folks who were fired?
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:39 pm

subramak1 wrote:
Spetsnaz55 wrote:
subramak1 wrote:

Boeing needs to create a culture that can support transparency when it comes to dealing with such issues. Boeing is behind the curve on this based on what we have learnt about MCAS.

This was caught by the Airline, not Boeing. That said, in certain products like commercial aircraft - you expect 100% quality assurance. At a minimum Boeing needs to notify every customer whose plane went through the QA by the people who were involved. Even if Boeing did not uncover anything else in their audit. It would be prudent for Boeing to do this.

Subu


The airline reported the fuel leak. Boeing looked into the leak and found the falsification by the employee. And fired him. Read the article.


And did Boeing review other planes QAed by the folks who were fired?



That is a part of the Boeing process yes. Give them a break on this one. They can't control what every employees moral standards are. They can try to influence through training and so on which they do. But this employee thought he would get away with this falsification. So he did it.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:40 pm

Brings to mind the old joke that Boeing is the sound the parts make that fall off of the plane and bounce on the ground.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:06 pm

So I'm genuinely curious - but how does one test for a fuel leak on a 787 or any other airplane?

There's a part of me that's going "crucify the guy because he falsified documentation", but there's also a part of me that's wondering "is it possible that the fuel leak didn't show up because certain conditions temporarily plugged up a leak?"
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:48 pm

At what point does an airplane manufacturer turn from a real business into a criminal organization? I wonder when the first DA will file the first massive lawsuit against Boeing and arrests the entire top.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:18 pm

AC77X wrote:
That being said, I find it interesting that we are having a sudden surge of AC related topics.


Because sensationalism sells. Clicks sell. If you destroy somebody in its wake, too bad. The false perception being created is not only harmful to the public, it's making someone money.
 
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sxf24 wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
The problem with firing the people is that Boeing created the culture to encourage their bad behavior in the first place. By firing them, Boeing dealt with the symptom, not the disease. They need leadership change and cultural change imho.

Punitive action is not acceptable in a safety conscious business, which should encourage people to report problems not hide them.


How do you know this was a cultural issue rather than individual laziness?

Because there has been too many issues in different factories. Only common point: Boeing.
One has to really question what's happening then.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:37 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
sxf24 wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
The problem with firing the people is that Boeing created the culture to encourage their bad behavior in the first place. By firing them, Boeing dealt with the symptom, not the disease. They need leadership change and cultural change imho.

Punitive action is not acceptable in a safety conscious business, which should encourage people to report problems not hide them.


How do you know this was a cultural issue rather than individual laziness?

Because there has been too many issues in different factories. Only common point: Boeing.
One has to really question what's happening then.


With 160,000 employees there will always be bad actors. Unless directed by multiple layers of management it is impossible to say there’s a cultural problem.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:39 pm

Welp, at least they're keeping the Dreamliner costs low and selling them like cakes :duck:
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:13 pm

xmp125a wrote:
Spetsnaz55 wrote:
Oh one Boeing mechanic and a qa inspector stamped something false and the news says the whole company is responsible.. just wonderful. Both people were fired. I wonder what's next


"Corrective actions" should be next, so that it does not happen again. And this is the area where Boeing constantly dragged their collective feet when confronted by FAA.

Those actions have already been taken. As for it “not happening again,” thats impossible. Some humans will do bad things. When you employ thousands of humans, you can’t prevent 100% of dishonest actions, simply because when 2 people conspire to hide something, it’s much harder to uncover.
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:38 pm

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With 160,000 employees there will always be bad actors. Unless directed by multiple layers of management it is impossible to say there’s a cultural problem.


Yep. Like to know what company in the world with this many people does not have bad actors like this. My guess: zero.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 8:48 pm

sxf24 wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
The problem with firing the people is that Boeing created the culture to encourage their bad behavior in the first place. By firing them, Boeing dealt with the symptom, not the disease. They need leadership change and cultural change imho.

Punitive action is not acceptable in a safety conscious business, which should encourage people to report problems not hide them.


How do you know this was a cultural issue rather than individual laziness?

Because individuals will get picked up by all the checks and their colleagues. When the QA processes fail, and work mates turn a blind eye, it's become the Boeing way.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:15 pm

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Am I wrong in thinking this is actually not all that uncommon? Not saying it's ok, just that it happens more often than it makes its way to a.net.


It’s called pencil whipping. It’s fairly common in the industry. Too many regulations and useless paperwork encourage the practice. Not good when it involves a real maintenance issue. It’s most commonly seen with paperwork only and record keeping. It’s been done and around as long as planes have been flying.

This is a nothing burger. No one died. All is well.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 9:30 pm

sxf24 wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
sxf24 wrote:

How do you know this was a cultural issue rather than individual laziness?

Because there has been too many issues in different factories. Only common point: Boeing.
One has to really question what's happening then.


With 160,000 employees there will always be bad actors. Unless directed by multiple layers of management it is impossible to say there’s a cultural problem.

But it's also impossible to say there's not, when the problem impacts multiple sites; so it really needs to get investigated to see whether it's really individual behavior or company-wide cultural problem.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:24 pm

the furl leak was found after 10 months in service? Are you Kidding me? Unless there was a bad Fuel line coupling or some defect that Boeing should have Known about? That leak could have been caused by anything from a Hard landing to Who Knows what? It doesn't say where the leak was but since it was under warranty?
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Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:35 pm

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The problem with firing the people is that Boeing created the culture to encourage their bad behavior in the first place. By firing them, Boeing dealt with the symptom, not the disease. They need leadership change and cultural change imho.

Punitive action is not acceptable in a safety conscious business, which should encourage people to report problems not hide them.


Exactly this.
 
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Re: Boeing falsified records for a 787 sold to AC

Fri Jun 28, 2019 10:39 pm

TVNWZ wrote:
sxf24 wrote:
With 160,000 employees there will always be bad actors. Unless directed by multiple layers of management it is impossible to say there’s a cultural problem.


Yep. Like to know what company in the world with this many people does not have bad actors like this. My guess: zero.


We've had these stories now for years (the Al-Jazeera doc comes to mind; the Seattle times story and many others), how many of these stories have been reported from Airbus?

Not saying there are none, but you're dismissing this way, way too easily.
 
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Re: Boeing falsified records for a 787 sold to AC

Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:08 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
the furl leak was found after 10 months in service? Are you Kidding me? Unless there was a bad Fuel line coupling or some defect that Boeing should have Known about? That leak could have been caused by anything from a Hard landing to Who Knows what? It doesn't say where the leak was but since it was under warranty?
That's what Warranties are FOR!!


It amazes me when i read posts like this! people really insist on continuing to wear their "Boeing blinkers" and refuse to believe Boeing could do this!

Did you read the report? there was an audit done and traced back to mechanic and QA sign off! According to Boeing, work was signed off when it was NOT done! their own words!

this is not something that came loose and covered by warranty, this is something that was intentionally done and falsified! so to imply it could have been a hard landing when we're being told by Boeing themselves the work was not done, am i missing something here?
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Etheereal
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Re: Boeing falsified records for a 787 sold to AC

Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:15 pm

a19901213 wrote:
Let me guess, Charleston plant 787?

Well your guess is 50% accurate, considering there's only two plants for the dreamliner :stirthepot:
JetBuddy wrote:
"737 slides off the runway" is the new "Florida man"..

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Myriad
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Re: Boeing falsified records for a 787 sold to AC

Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:50 pm

Well, the DOJ is investigating the Charleston factory.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-prosec ... 35037.html
 
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Re: Boeing falsified records for a 787 sold to AC

Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:04 am

Absynth wrote:
TVNWZ wrote:
sxf24 wrote:
With 160,000 employees there will always be bad actors. Unless directed by multiple layers of management it is impossible to say there’s a cultural problem.


Yep. Like to know what company in the world with this many people does not have bad actors like this. My guess: zero.


We've had these stories now for years (the Al-Jazeera doc comes to mind; the Seattle times story and many others), how many of these stories have been reported from Airbus?

Not saying there are none, but you're dismissing this way, way too easily.


After working on EWIS for the past several years, I will give Boeing credit for phasing out kapton-insulated wire after '91, which McD never did and AB used until the mid 00's or so. This is the same stuff which contributed to a few accidents, like Swissair 111.

However, they still claim all of the pre-92 kapton-wired 757s, 767s, and 744s are safe :confused:
Stuck at age 15 thanks to the certification date of the A320-200 and my parents' decision to postpone having a kid by 3 years. At least there's Dignitas...
 
sasd209
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Re: Boeing falsified records for a 787 sold to AC

Sat Jun 29, 2019 1:28 am

AC77X wrote:
I'm finding all of this hard to believe... I just find it outrageous that the manufacturer of some of the world's most advanced vehicles can make so many mistakes like this. First the 737, then the 787, now the 787 again...
That being said, I find it interesting that we are having a sudden surge of AC related topics.


Hard to believe? You must be new to aviation manufacturing. Discrepancies and non-conformance issues occur every day... the idea is to catch em before the product leaves the factory. Sadly, when dealing with people, this is not always possible..

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