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Re: G-XWBA - First A350 for British Airways

Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:52 pm

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My guess is that they wanted a nice clean/lean/sophisticated look and it ended up very sterile.
I had to read it twice because I thought it was "Cube", because it looked like a row of office cubicles.


I suppose it’s business class for a reason
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:54 pm

DrPaul wrote:
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Who decides on the registration? The first BA A350 XWB getting G-XWBA - seems like more than coincidence to me.


The BA Whales are G-XLEA and so on, XL presumably being related to the size of the plane, 'extra large'.

Starting from 1928 British aeroplanes used to be registered in sequence, starting from G-AAAA, but this changed in the 1970s so that out-of-sequence registrations can be had. More at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_aircraft_registration. I stand to be corrected, but I think that the first plane to be registered out of sequence was a Concorde, which was G-BSST.


I wonder what registration BA were using 100 years ago in 1919? :duck:

My first thought was it looked like a call centre, and rows of desks, screens and seats...

Looking forward to seeing her at LHR and get a flight on it.
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:19 pm

n729pa wrote:
I wonder what registration BA were using 100 years ago in 1919?


From 1919 to 1928, British aeroplanes were registered under a series starting G-EAAA.
 
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Re: G-XWBA - First A350 for British Airways

Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:10 pm

I thought the TLV route, was a spoiler for the new VS start up operation....?

AFAIK, the 350 will be daily on the MAD route from 1st Aug, maybe a day or two earlier , then double daily prior to the YYZ and DXB services...
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:44 pm

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As the A350 severely lacks range will it be able to do LHR-MAD without heavy payload restrictions? Only kidding of course. Can’t wait to see the A350 with the Union Jack!!!!!

Wait a Minute!! The A350 Lacks range?? So? What is the BA A350's range with a full load? I think you're making that up!
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:51 pm

What weight variant did they order? If it lacks range? Then BA Planned it that way... It's sure not that the airplane can't do it.
Airbus offers so many weight variants per model, that it's hard to keep track of them all
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:39 am

First flight for British Airways A350-1000 G-XWBA

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Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:07 am

Some more photos of G-XWBA first flight

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https://twitter.com/CAlloing/status/114 ... 58336?s=20
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:17 pm

TUGMASTER wrote:
AFAIK, the 350 will be daily on the MAD route from 1st Aug, maybe a day or two earlier , then double daily prior to the YYZ and DXB services...


I don't know where you heard that but that is 100% incorrect. The delivery is 26th July. There is then a few days for IFE and software updates and modifications. Will then go to Chateauroux for flight crew training. Not sure how long this is.

Then to MAD and also other EU/Domestic stations. TBC. Likely not until mid August at the very earliest.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:48 pm

qf789 wrote:
Some more photos of G-XWBA first flight

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https://twitter.com/CAlloing/status/114 ... 58336?s=20


Stunning, love the A350-1000 and it looks great wearing the BA livery. Nice to see another Airbus widebody at BA.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:03 pm

Good looking bird and a sign of the times that the bad old days are hopefully coming to an end. I must say the hard product on the photos above does look rather nice to my eyes. I don't care what it looks like as long as it is comfy and intuitive and it seems like both those things in spades over current CW which I'm not a big fan of.

Now to improve the soft product - have flown UA, DL, AA and B6 over the last 12 months and can say for sure that the US carriers are night and day better than BA on that score now. Its weird - if you'd have told me 10 years ago Delta would absolutely trounce BA in every way on transatlantic routes, better food, far better seat, better lounges, better service, better wine list and much nicer planes I'd have laughed at you. How times change.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:29 pm

Dear Lord

The bigger the version, the uglier it gets.
I really hope it's a milestone in terms of efficiency because to the eyes, it hurts a lot!
Nothing better for the Air "bus" definition
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:26 pm

Kindanew wrote:
DylanHarvey wrote:
As the A350 severely lacks range will it be able to do LHR-MAD without heavy payload restrictions? Only kidding of course. Can’t wait to see the A350 with the Union Jack!!!!!


:lol:

I'd be surprised if it can make it all the way to Madrid to be honest. They will probably have to divert to Bilbao at when the headwinds are bad.

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Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:30 pm

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True, although they could do red stitching, inserts or pillows. Just something to liven up the cabin. But I get your point.


Agreed. All these American carriers along with BA make the cabins depressing, boring, and indistinguishable....
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:51 pm

acjbbj wrote:
Kindanew wrote:
DylanHarvey wrote:
As the A350 severely lacks range will it be able to do LHR-MAD without heavy payload restrictions? Only kidding of course. Can’t wait to see the A350 with the Union Jack!!!!!


:lol:

I'd be surprised if it can make it all the way to Madrid to be honest. They will probably have to divert to Bilbao at when the headwinds are bad.

Obvious troll is obvious troll is obvious troll is obvious troll is obvious.


Not trolling. Sarcasm.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:52 pm

Does anyone know where the flight crew for the A350 will be drawn from? Will it be ex-Boeing 747/777 pilots or will ex A32x pilots be more suitable?
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:03 pm

Seniority pure and simple. There’s no logic in BA.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:03 pm

flee wrote:
Does anyone know where the flight crew for the A350 will be drawn from? Will it be ex-Boeing 747/777 pilots or will ex A32x pilots be more suitable?

Since the 747 fleet is being reduced, I'd expect that to be the largest source of crews.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:37 pm

mxaxai wrote:
flee wrote:
Does anyone know where the flight crew for the A350 will be drawn from? Will it be ex-Boeing 747/777 pilots or will ex A32x pilots be more suitable?

Since the 747 fleet is being reduced, I'd expect that to be the largest source of crews.


Depends what the Jumbo guys and girls bid for, there’s also 12 787s still to arrive and some 777-300ERs on the way so there’s a good chance they’d prefer an easier conversion course. You’re right in the sense that there are a lot of crews to retrain once the jumbo goes but they won’t necessarily be directed to the A350. BA Pilots still (for now) get a say in what fleet they move onto and that is ruled totally by seniority.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:38 pm

flee wrote:
Does anyone know where the flight crew for the A350 will be drawn from? Will it be ex-Boeing 747/777 pilots or will ex A32x pilots be more suitable?


Whoever wants to transfer. With seniority playing a large part in who’s accepted. A number of 747 conversions and also A320/A380. I’m sure some are coming from 777/787 too.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:51 pm

mxaxai wrote:
flee wrote:
Does anyone know where the flight crew for the A350 will be drawn from? Will it be ex-Boeing 747/777 pilots or will ex A32x pilots be more suitable?

Since the 747 fleet is being reduced, I'd expect that to be the largest source of crews.


The first batch are from the A380 and A320, in seniority order, so all will have prior Airbus experience. After the first few are delivered and crewed it'll be opened up to more. The A380 was the same in its introduction that the first few crews to go through the course all had previous Airbus experience.

RexBanner wrote:
Seniority pure and simple. There’s no logic in BA.


One could argue that seniority is the most logical way for a variety of reasons.
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:01 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
DylanHarvey wrote:
As the A350 severely lacks range will it be able to do LHR-MAD without heavy payload restrictions? Only kidding of course. Can’t wait to see the A350 with the Union Jack!!!!!

Wait a Minute!! The A350 Lacks range?? So? What is the BA A350's range with a full load? I think you're making that up!

Lord have mercy. The A350 lacking range is a joke throughout A.net especially. It’s a 16.5-17hr aircraft with full pax
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:01 pm

Kindanew wrote:
acjbbj wrote:
Kindanew wrote:

:lol:

I'd be surprised if it can make it all the way to Madrid to be honest. They will probably have to divert to Bilbao at when the headwinds are bad.

Obvious troll is obvious troll is obvious troll is obvious troll is obvious.


Not trolling. Sarcasm.

Someone gets it. Well done my friend.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:12 pm

BA777FO wrote:
One could argue that seniority is the most logical way for a variety of reasons.


Including Airbus trainers taking their training ticket straight onto a 777 and teaching their new aircraft despite never having flown a Boeing? Many of these examples exist in BA. But that’s a discussion for another forum. ;)
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:14 pm

Kindanew wrote:
acjbbj wrote:
Kindanew wrote:

:lol:

I'd be surprised if it can make it all the way to Madrid to be honest. They will probably have to divert to Bilbao at when the headwinds are bad.

Obvious troll is obvious troll is obvious troll is obvious troll is obvious.


Not trolling. Sarcasm.

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Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:15 pm

MoKa777 wrote:
They just need to add a little colour to the cabins. The basic colour palette does look very elegant but it needs something to bring it to life.

What is the seat pitch in Y+?

that seat color will look good and wear well for a longer time since it's not .leather ,
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:17 pm

RexBanner wrote:
BA777FO wrote:
One could argue that seniority is the most logical way for a variety of reasons.


Including Airbus trainers taking their training ticket straight onto a 777 and teaching their new aircraft despite never having flown a Boeing? Many of these examples exist in BA. But that’s a discussion for another forum. ;)


Trainers don't train on their new fleet straight away with a training transfer. They're online for about 6 months before taking their TRI/TRE course. If they didn't have the tech knowledge they wouldn't pass the course. And training is training, as long as the tech knowledge is there, which for 99% of pilots, the rest is about Notechs, which is the same fleet to fleet.

There's plenty of logic in it ;)
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:22 pm

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Aren't all the 3 major US carriers largely blue-themed in their interiors?


They are, but when is the last time you heard someone say “I just got off the most beautiful Delta plane?”
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:26 pm

Tech knowledge is one thing but no substitute for experience on the aircraft. I’ve flown with many captains who could tie me in knots in a competition in describing the architecture of the electric system and redundancies of the A320 but who I’ve totally taken to school in terms of planning a thrust idle descent whilst they’ve been totally fixated on what the FMGC has been telling them. There should be a minimum experience level to teach the day to day handling of an aircraft, of that there is no doubt (IMHO).
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:06 pm

RexBanner wrote:
Tech knowledge is one thing but no substitute for experience on the aircraft. I’ve flown with many captains who could tie me in knots in a competition in describing the architecture of the electric system and redundancies of the A320 but who I’ve totally taken to school in terms of planning a thrust idle descent whilst they’ve been totally fixated on what the FMGC has been telling them. There should be a minimum experience level to teach the day to day handling of an aircraft, of that there is no doubt (IMHO).


Never known a trainer to get engrossed in the FMC and fly a terrible approach. Goes back to a good briefing/notech skills!

6 months on type for an experienced multi crew jet operator and experienced trainer, plus a TRI/TRE course which would prove you know the aircraft and SOPs inside out should really suffice.

You don't just get training through seniority, it requires another selection/assessment process. To me, that beats a bunch of point scoring going on to try and leapfrog others into a better position/getting a promotion. Getting away from the A350 now! On that note, glad I'm not going to have to fly it!
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:54 pm

First flight today:
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:44 pm

ojjunior wrote:
Dear Lord

The bigger the version, the uglier it gets.
I really hope it's a milestone in terms of efficiency because to the eyes, it hurts a lot!
Nothing better for the Air "bus" definition

Looks absolutely beautiful, has the same lines as a 757
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:09 pm

I've always liked the sleek lines of the A350, more so the 1000. But boy is that BA livery getting long in the tooth. I really hoped they would do something entirely new on this aircraft, but given the allegations of an "IAG-ification" of the BA livery, maybe we're better off with this...?
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:45 pm

I arrive in London mid August. Will look out for this and the retro schemes!
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:30 pm

by188b wrote:
ojjunior wrote:
Dear Lord

The bigger the version, the uglier it gets.
I really hope it's a milestone in terms of efficiency because to the eyes, it hurts a lot!
Nothing better for the Air "bus" definition

Looks absolutely beautiful, has the same lines as a 757



On a.net, someone always takes the flame bait... :roll:
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:19 pm

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Looks great, sadly the old CW will be around a LONG time with the 744 fleet keeping the current seats as they will be around until 2023 or 24. Sadly BA didn't introduce new seats on the 787, they kept the old ones, really recycled from old planes leaving the fleet.

Four years really isn’t a long time in the grand scheme of things. Alex Cruz has said that the new seats can’t be fitted quick enough - the delay is down to the fact only three seats can be built per day. Just to correct you, the seats on the 787s were built new for the 787, not reused from older aircraft. The seating tracks are different (meaning the older seats can’t be used), shown by the bulge into the aisle at the seat base, they have a different footrest, and also a slightly different control panel.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 11:56 am

Today's delivery flight has been cancelled due to weather and an ATC problem that has just occurred !
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:30 pm

Can someone help me understand the basic differences between the 787-10 and the A350-1000? Are they both of a similar size, but the 787-10 has much shorter legs than the A350-1000? I think I read somewhere we'd likely see a 787-10 in Boston, but never an A350-1000. Thanks.
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:48 pm

EK77WNH wrote:
Can someone help me understand the basic differences between the 787-10 and the A350-1000? Are they both of a similar size, but the 787-10 has much shorter legs than the A350-1000? I think I read somewhere we'd likely see a 787-10 in Boston, but never an A350-1000. Thanks.


For A350-1000 they used different landing gears, larger wings, engines with much higher thrust which all ended up in higher MTOW and fuel capacity. This is not the case for 787-10, which emphasised more on commonality with 787-9. So, 787-10 is basically a 787-9 with lengthened/strengthened fuselage and uprated engine. As a result, 787-10 ended up as an aircraft more suited for shorter route with higher density.

787-10s are smaller than 350-1000s because A350s are basically, well, fatter aircrafts.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:15 pm

EK77WNH wrote:
Can someone help me understand the basic differences between the 787-10 and the A350-1000? Are they both of a similar size, but the 787-10 has much shorter legs than the A350-1000? I think I read somewhere we'd likely see a 787-10 in Boston, but never an A350-1000. Thanks.


The 787-10 is smaller than the A350-1000 by 5 meters and 1 row narrower in the width, roughly for a difference of at least 50 economy seats. The 787-10 is much closer to the A350-900 in capacity.

The 787-10 is medium range workhorse, pretty similar to the A330-300. Can't do long flights, has to sacrifice payload to achieve range etc. It is ideally suited for flights between the UK and US east coast with really good economics, but will struggle to reach Asia, something both A350 variants can do without breaking sweat.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:55 pm

Has BA released seating plans for the A350 yet; I think the config numbers have long since been released (?), but not the actual seat map.

Looking forward to seeing this bird "in the flesh"; I think it's a fine looking aircraft, though the front end of the A350 always reminds me of a locomotive! Still, a good looking aircraft otherwise and I'll be delighted to fly in it, when the opportunity presents itself.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:57 pm

The delivery flight is apparently delayed due to air traffic control issues.
 
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Kindanew wrote:
The delivery flight is apparently delayed due to air traffic control issues.


See post 88.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 5:51 pm

EK77WNH wrote:
Can someone help me understand the basic differences between the 787-10 and the A350-1000? Are they both of a similar size, but the 787-10 has much shorter legs than the A350-1000? I think I read somewhere we'd likely see a 787-10 in Boston, but never an A350-1000. Thanks.


To add upon the previous replies, there is a huge Maximum Take Off Weight difference between these two aircraft.
The A350-1000 has 316T MTOW and the 787-10 has less than 260T (cannot retrieve the exact number). This difference is huge. It means that on one hand the A350-1000 can carry much more passengers and weight (it is bigger as mentioned above) and/or fly farther. On the other hand the A350-1000 has a higher empty weight, which means that we can expect it to burn more fuel on some trips (this is harder to know precisely as exact numbers of empty weights are harder to compare depending on what is included ---cabin, cattering, etc--- and also fuel burn depends on so many variables only insiders can really know). For BA, the 787-10 should be great on transatlantic flights, especially those to the east coast. The A350-1000 should be great for destinations like south-east/east Asia. Not sure where the grey zone between the two is...
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 6:52 pm

So one could say that the A350-1000XWB is more close to the 777-300ER? Is it comparable and competitive enough,considering that now most airlines fly the 777-300ER with a 3-4-3 config cramming 400+ pax?
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:12 pm

acjbbj wrote:
Kindanew wrote:
DylanHarvey wrote:
As the A350 severely lacks range will it be able to do LHR-MAD without heavy payload restrictions? Only kidding of course. Can’t wait to see the A350 with the Union Jack!!!!!


:lol:

I'd be surprised if it can make it all the way to Madrid to be honest. They will probably have to divert to Bilbao at when the headwinds are bad.

Obvious troll is obvious troll is obvious troll is obvious troll is obvious.


It is probably worth reading the A350 vs 787 range threads in Tech-Ops. There is a certain individual who seems to question the ability of the A350 to fly a sector without taking a payload hit no matter what the sector is. It has become a sort of A-net standing joke ....
If you really want to see an obvious troll :)

That is one stunning looking plane by the way. Great photos

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Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:05 am

astuteman wrote:
acjbbj wrote:
Kindanew wrote:

:lol:

I'd be surprised if it can make it all the way to Madrid to be honest. They will probably have to divert to Bilbao at when the headwinds are bad.

Obvious troll is obvious troll is obvious troll is obvious troll is obvious.


It is probably worth reading the A350 vs 787 range threads in Tech-Ops. There is a certain individual who seems to question the ability of the A350 to fly a sector without taking a payload hit no matter what the sector is. It has become a sort of A-net standing joke ....
If you really want to see an obvious troll :)

That is one stunning looking plane by the way. Great photos

Rgds

Exactly haha. The A350 really is a stunning aircraft, can't wait to see the BA and VS 35K's flying around.
 
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Re: G-XWBA - First A350 for British Airways

Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:56 am

British Airways A350-1000 G-XWBA Delivered.
Jul 27, 2019

British Airways A350-1000 G-XWBA was delivered Toulouse – Chateauroux this morning as BA9151. The aircraft is in 56J/56W/219Y configuration and wears White Union Flag with Crest livery. This is the first A350-1000 for the airline.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/g-xwba

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Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:32 am

When it is going to LHR ?
 
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Re: G-XWBA - First A350 for British Airways

Sat Jul 27, 2019 11:42 am

UAEflyer wrote:
When it is going to LHR ?


You can keep an eye here on her movements at CHR.

https://www.flightradar24.com/46.86,1.75/14

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... a#217499ac
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