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KL 100 Year Festivities To Be Without First KL 787-10

Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:14 am

A big damper for KLM: tomorrow morning the first Boeing 787-10 Dreamliner would land at Schiphol and thus herald the festivities around the 100th anniversary of the airline. But due to delivery problems, the arrival is canceled and the party will be celebrated with another random aircraft from the fleet.
https://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/248533/k ... -het-water

Unsurprisingly the delivery problems originated at Boeing’s troubled Charleston facility where workers reported shoddy production. A shame this involved KL’s special plane as well though.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/busi ... blems.html
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:19 am

I agree it’s a shame, but KLM won’t be a 100 years old till October. So I guess this isn’t the only party this year.
 
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:20 am

This is a shame, but it isn't like it is *that* special a livery, so I guess it won't be a huge miss.

Actually, it's a shame that KLM's celebrations thus far have been lacklustre at best. I expected more from them, especially since theirs is the "true" 100th Anniversary. They've been outclassed by British Airways' efforts I'm afraid.
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:24 am

KLDC10 wrote:
This is a shame, but it isn't like it is *that* special a livery, so I guess it won't be a huge miss.

Actually, it's a shame that KLM's celebrations thus far have been lacklustre at best. I expected more from them, especially since theirs is the "true" 100th Anniversary. They've been outclassed by British Airways' efforts I'm afraid.

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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:29 am

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KLDC10 wrote:
This is a shame, but it isn't like it is *that* special a livery, so I guess it won't be a huge miss.

Actually, it's a shame that KLM's celebrations thus far have been lacklustre at best. I expected more from them, especially since theirs is the "true" 100th Anniversary. They've been outclassed by British Airways' efforts I'm afraid.

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I mean, it's basically a variation on this theme, which KLM applied in-house. No need to rely on Boeing to do it.

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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:31 am

This is way too sensationalist to warrant a thread
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:37 am

You don’t even know the reason for the delays yet you’re out here throwing accusations.
 
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:54 am

Its a pitty, but such things happen.
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:55 am

Just to give some more info on this:

- The 787-10 should have been delivered tomorrow (Saturday); exactly 100 days before KLM's 100th birthday.
- PH-BKA would land at Schiphol; make a tour around Schiphol and pauze at the Buitenveldertbaan (in front of McDonalds; just like the ex-KLM 747-400 PH-BFB did when it returned to Schiphol in Corendon colors)
- And then onwards to a hangar at Schiphol where festivities have been planned.
- About 300 guests/journalists etc. have been invited for those festivities, apparently including CNN.
- KLM's CEO Pieter Elbers was planned to fly to Charleston and would be on board the 787-10 when it arrived back at Schiphol; because of the delayed livery he didn't.
- Rumours said the delay was caused by some sort of European certifications (KLM is the first European 787-10 customer)
- The festivities for tomorrow are stil happening, but probably with another aircraft. (perhaps PH-BVA "#OrangePride)
- Likely delivery of PH-BKA Orange Blossom will now be next week.
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:57 am

it must be a pretty lame event if this is all it takes to 'screw it up'.
 
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:08 pm

This is why you don’t really plan major events centered on new plane delivery day- especially if it is the first of a new type/variant for your airline or regulating authorities. Or at the very least have a backup plan.
 
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:11 pm

Roll the dice on having available an aircraft for a celebration that you don’t even have in your inventory yet? Who’s fault is that?

Iemand91 wrote:
Just to give some more info on this:

- The 787-10 should have been delivered tomorrow (Saturday); exactly 100 days before KLM's 100th birthday.
- PH-BKA would land at Schiphol; make a tour around Schiphol and pauze at the Buitenveldertbaan (in front of McDonalds; just like the ex-KLM 747-400 PH-BFB did when it returned to Schiphol in Corendon colors)
- And then onwards to a hangar at Schiphol where festivities have been planned.
- About 300 guests/journalists etc. have been invited for those festivities, apparently including CNN.
- KLM's CEO Pieter Elbers was planned to fly to Charleston and would be on board the 787-10 when it arrived back at Schiphol; because of the delayed livery he didn't.
- Rumours said the delay was caused by some sort of European certifications (KLM is the first European 787-10 customer)
- The festivities for tomorrow are stil happening, but probably with another aircraft.
- Likely delivery of PH-BKA Orange Blossom will now be next week.


So not a Boeing problem then.
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:19 pm

Next up, Boeing ruins sick girl’s birthday when crew fall ill on a flight; guitar-playing nun comes to the rescue. Full story at 11.

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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:31 pm

I have a suggestion for the title. “Idiot screws up blog”
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:43 pm

Iemand91 wrote:
- The festivities for tomorrow are stil happening, but probably with another aircraft. (perhaps PH-BVA "#OrangePride)

Problem solved: Just apply a 100 years sticker on Orange Pride and let the party begin. The airline is the one celebrating 100 years, so who cares about which a/c to use? No one will even realize the Crampliner hasn't arrived.

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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 12:59 pm

Sounds like KLM made a poor decision here by scheduling their 100-year Anniversary festivities around the delivery flight of their first 787-10. Delivery flights are notoriously subject to last minute delays; some minor, some not so minor. When you add in the additional issues that often arise when delivering the first of a new type, even the casual observer would have to question the wisdom of KLM's decision in this case.
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:20 pm

Boeing rightfully has deserved a lot of criticism recently, but I fail to see how this is their fault. It’s no shock that deliveries of aircraft are often subject to delays for a myriad of reasons. KLM should have planned this with a larger buffer to factor in any potential delays.
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:22 pm

Jetty wrote:
A big damper for KLM: tomorrow morning the first Boeing 787-10 Dreamliner would land at Schiphol and thus herald the festivities around the 100th anniversary of the airline. But due to delivery problems, the arrival is canceled and the party will be celebrated with another random aircraft from the fleet.
https://www.nhnieuws.nl/nieuws/248533/k ... -het-water

Unsurprisingly the delivery problems originated at Boeing’s troubled Charleston facility where workers reported shoddy production. A shame this involved KL’s special plane as well though.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/busi ... blems.html


"Troubled?" Do you work for the local Union?
 
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 1:27 pm

VirginFlyer wrote:
Next up, Boeing ruins sick girl’s birthday when crew fall ill on a flight; guitar-playing nun comes to the rescue. Full story at 11.

V/F


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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:56 pm

I agree with the posters above who point out that celebrating an event like the 100th birthday of "anything" is very important, but should never be tied or even linked to the delivery of something other than a big cake and some flowers! Linking KLM's order of the B788 family - one whose delivery history has been, er , quite difficult - was perhaps a tad unwise

Anyway, why celebrate 100 years with 1 specific aircraft? KLM flights were much better before the 787 showed up with its cramped accommodation! Go on, KLM, celebrate your 100th but separate that from individual and current aircraft. Blow the trumpet for other aircraft in your history if you want. A flypast of older aircraft would be more fitting for a retrospective than one that didn't turn up through supplier late delivery!

I thought that KLM on-board comfort might be improved by the arrival of some A350's, but I read here today that KLM and AF will swap aircraft on recent order so that KLM will take all the B78x's, and AF all the A350s. It's amusing that while the Dutch are supposed to be the tallest people on earth (statistically speaking), and the French are not, then the swap seems to be the wrong way around! I hope that 9-abreast on B787 proves to be good for the Dutch. I will search out for an A350 operator, as I get 9-abreast in a larger cross-section. Now do the Dutch have any choice in that? The Dutch have many qualities, one of them isn't about their willingness to spend money unnecessarily
 
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:51 pm

Good thing it's only Friday, print out a decal and install overnight. Problem solved.

If WN does it for their shark week planes, surely KLM can figure it out.
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:19 pm

Yes, it is a 787, but that doesn't necessarily have to mean that its Boeing's fault unless its confirmed to be Boeing's fault, such as the JT and ET 7M8s, US airforce KC-46s, and AC 787s. They have had a few major disasters this year, many incidents with the 767 (KC-46) and 787, but I think they are still capable of doing something good. We shouldn't blame Boeing just yet.
 
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 5:48 pm

sassiciai wrote:
I agree with the posters above who point out that celebrating an event like the 100th birthday of "anything" is very important, but should never be tied or even linked to the delivery of something other than a big cake and some flowers! Linking KLM's order of the B788 family - one whose delivery history has been, er , quite difficult - was perhaps a tad unwise


The plane was ready for delivery some days ago so they had a few days to spare. Dutch press reports the problem is a certification for a fuel tank sealing.
 
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:09 pm

Let's blame the pilots for screwing up because it can't be Boeing's fault.
 
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:26 pm

For you guys, it’s always Boeing’s fault
 
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:38 pm

VirginFlyer wrote:
Next up, Boeing ruins sick girl’s birthday when crew fall ill on a flight; guitar-playing nun comes to the rescue. Full story at 11.

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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:44 pm

KLDC10 wrote:
This is a shame, but it isn't like it is *that* special a livery, so I guess it won't be a huge miss.

Actually, it's a shame that KLM's celebrations thus far have been lacklustre at best. I expected more from them, especially since theirs is the "true" 100th Anniversary. They've been outclassed by British Airways' efforts I'm afraid.


I'm sure there is more to come.
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:48 pm

Flanker7 wrote:
KLDC10 wrote:
This is a shame, but it isn't like it is *that* special a livery, so I guess it won't be a huge miss.

Actually, it's a shame that KLM's celebrations thus far have been lacklustre at best. I expected more from them, especially since theirs is the "true" 100th Anniversary. They've been outclassed by British Airways' efforts I'm afraid.


I'm sure there is more to come. And the official kickoff is the 29th so let see what the next month's will bring other then a 787-9 no show
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:50 pm

Flanker7 wrote:
I'm sure there is more to come. And the official kickoff is the 29th so let see what the next month's will bring other then a 787-9 no show


I do hope so! As my username would suggest, I travel regularly with KLM and think it's a great airline - deserving of one heck of a birthday bash ;)
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 6:57 pm

santi319 wrote:
Leave the 787 alone! Leave the 787 alone RIGHT NOW!!!!


I'm sorry but what is a 787??
Since someone nicknamed it as Crampliner, that's how people should refer to it.
 
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Re: Boeing Screws Up KL 100 Year Festivities

Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:47 pm

ojjunior wrote:
santi319 wrote:
Leave the 787 alone! Leave the 787 alone RIGHT NOW!!!!


I'm sorry but what is a 787??
Since someone nicknamed it as Crampliner, that's how people should refer to it.


For most people over 16 years old that have used it, it is comfortable, quiet and smooth airliner that reduces jetlag because of its improved pressurization system.
 
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Re: KL 100 Year Festivities To Be Without First KL 787-10

Fri Jun 28, 2019 7:52 pm

It's a shame, but KLM has only themselves to blame. Very poor planning on their part to rely on something (aircraft delivery) that is naturally unreliable.
 
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Re: KL 100 Year Festivities To Be Without First KL 787-10

Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:58 am

MSPNWA wrote:
It's a shame, but KLM has only themselves to blame. Very poor planning on their part to rely on something (aircraft delivery) that is naturally unreliable.

Boeing and KL are smart enough to not have an official event depend on an uncertain delivery. If KL wanted delivery a week ago it would probably have gone through. It was only recently that Boeing discovered a certification issue. Quite different than ordinary delivery issues I would say.
 
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Re: KL 100 Year Festivities To Be Without First KL 787-10

Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:41 pm

This morning at Schiphol-East:

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The new 787-10 PH-BKA is now scheduled to arrive tomorrow morning (Sunday) at 08:30.
It will pauze at the Buitenveldertbaan in front of the McDonalds, giving spotters a moment ot take a look at the aircraft before going to the hangar.
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Re: KL 100 Year Festivities To Be Without First KL 787-10

Sun Jun 30, 2019 10:59 pm

If it's true Boeing made mistakes in their paperwork for fuel tank sealing certification. They screwed up a nice PR event presented to them by reliable client KLM.
KLM had a backup plan and still used the 787-10 in this video.
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