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Re: Federal Prosecutors Expanding Boeing Investigation to CHS 787 Production Site

Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:15 pm

Planetalk wrote:
I'd suggest going and doing some reading about the research that's been done on the very interesting research that's been done on how sociopaths/pyschopaths disproportionately occupy the top positions in corporation. (and in politics for that matter too). Hardly surprising when you consider the kind of personality traits that tend to be rewarded in the corporate world.

Once you consider that, everything makes sense, especially the complete insincerity of Boeing and attempt to shift blame after the accidents. We've seen enough too know that their belated remorse is noting more than PR, these guys do not change, and Boeing will not change unless the top management does. It's really quite shocking someone who has overseen the culture that caused these accidents can keep their job, considering the minor indiscretions us minions can be fired for.

There really is something rotten there, and people are incredibly naive if they think the CEOs care as much as anyone about accidents killing people. The sad truth is, they probably don't. That's their personality, that's how they got where they are. As I say, there's research on this and it explains a lot about the world we live in. If you're a psychopath and born poor, you end up in jail, if you're a psychopath and born rich you end up a CEO (or perhaps president...)


Spot on about the insincerity and attempting to shift blame. That's been by far the worst aspect about this for me.
 
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Re: Federal Prosecutors Expanding Boeing Investigation to CHS 787 Production Site

Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:31 pm

DL717 wrote:
SEU wrote:
DL717 wrote:

The FAA is responsible for certification of aircraft, whether they pass some responsibility to the company or not. The buck stops with them. It's not only possible, its probable there is an issue within the FAA. There has been massive turnover at all levels of the FAA in recent years.


I have to disagree with you - yes FAA needs to answer questions as to why they certified an aircraft, which in this day and age, should never have been allowed to fly passengers, the "buck" doesnt stop with them. It should never have passed from Boeing to FAA in the first place.


Yes. It does stop with the FAA. They oversee the design and certification. It makes more sense that some FAA inspectors migrated between two assembly facilities, not workers. If any oversight in the deign and certification was handed over to Boeing, it still falls on the FAA. Do you really think the FAA just stands around outside a hangar waiting for roll-out? If so, you don't know much about the process at all.

No, it doesn't.

The FAA can't be blamed that Boeing hid changes and defects from them.
Examples:
- The change from 0,6 to 2,5 degree pr MCAS cycle
- The malfunctioning AOA disagree warningI

Also, the FAA were under a lot of political pressure to "play ball" to keep the money flowing in - the blame for this can be passed between Congress, and both current and past Presidents.
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Re: Federal Prosecutors Expanding Boeing Investigation to CHS 787 Production Site

Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:28 pm

MSPNWA wrote:
747megatop wrote:
The 737 MAX fiasco is just a reflection of a very poorly and shoddily run company. Heads need to roll starting with the CEO, Board of directors and leadership on the FAA side of the house for letting this happen on their watch. Time for Boeing to admit that they got the design wrong on this lipstick on a pig that the 737 MAX is.


If a "very poorly and shoddily-run" company is the envy of the aircraft manufacturing world, what does that say about the management teams of its competitors?

When you're at the top, you have a lot of haters--legitimate and not. Boeing is under a microscope that no other company is under right now. If anything they've been vindicated thus far.

:rotfl: Thanks for the chuckle! While this subjective statement might have had some validity once upon a time, I don't think that anyone in the aircraft manufacturing world is envious of Boeing right now.
 
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Re: Federal Prosecutors Expanding Boeing Investigation to CHS 787 Production Site

Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:27 pm

aerolimani wrote:
MSPNWA wrote:
747megatop wrote:
The 737 MAX fiasco is just a reflection of a very poorly and shoddily run company. Heads need to roll starting with the CEO, Board of directors and leadership on the FAA side of the house for letting this happen on their watch. Time for Boeing to admit that they got the design wrong on this lipstick on a pig that the 737 MAX is.


If a "very poorly and shoddily-run" company is the envy of the aircraft manufacturing world, what does that say about the management teams of its competitors?

When you're at the top, you have a lot of haters--legitimate and not. Boeing is under a microscope that no other company is under right now. If anything they've been vindicated thus far.

:rotfl: Thanks for the chuckle! While this subjective statement might have had some validity once upon a time, I don't think that anyone in the aircraft manufacturing world is envious of Boeing right now.

Forget aircraft manufacturing, right now they are not even the envy of a mom and pop shop selling candies. Even a mom and pop shop doesn't want to be on any news channel for criminal investigation by the FBI after loss of lives due to a faulty product.
 
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Re: Federal Prosecutors Expanding Boeing Investigation to CHS 787 Production Site

Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:31 pm

aerolimani wrote:
MSPNWA wrote:
747megatop wrote:
The 737 MAX fiasco is just a reflection of a very poorly and shoddily run company. Heads need to roll starting with the CEO, Board of directors and leadership on the FAA side of the house for letting this happen on their watch. Time for Boeing to admit that they got the design wrong on this lipstick on a pig that the 737 MAX is.


If a "very poorly and shoddily-run" company is the envy of the aircraft manufacturing world, what does that say about the management teams of its competitors?

When you're at the top, you have a lot of haters--legitimate and not. Boeing is under a microscope that no other company is under right now. If anything they've been vindicated thus far.

:rotfl: Thanks for the chuckle! While this subjective statement might have had some validity once upon a time, I don't think that anyone in the aircraft manufacturing world is envious of Boeing right now.


Surely right now the reputation of Boeing has never been lower?

They've got a lot of work to do to restore the respect people had for them around the world

They've let a lot of people down

Surely you can see that?

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