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Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sun Jun 30, 2019 4:56 pm

Welcome to Australian Aviation Thread July 2019. Please continue to add your comments below

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Sun Jun 30, 2019 5:47 pm

A few PER related things

Today SQ223/214 will see the A333 replaced with regional A359
AirAsia X resumes second flight 4 weekly for this month, operates Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday
Air Asia Lombok flights have performed rather well for the first month
Over the past month SA had operated the A332 more than the A343, so perhaps that is going to be a more regular thing
EK loads seem to be improving though QR is still kicking their backsides
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Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:40 pm

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A few PER related things

Today SQ223/214 will see the A333 replaced with regional A359
AirAsia X resumes second flight 4 weekly for this month, operates Monday, Wednesday, Friday and Saturday
Air Asia Lombok flights have performed rather well for the first month
Over the past month SA had operated the A332 more than the A343, so perhaps that is going to be a more regular thing
EK loads seem to be improving though QR is still kicking their backsides


Interesting - I was under the impression QR was doing better than EK these days? Do we think the 380 will be sticking around on this route? Saying that, I’d say June will be a strong month with all the people flocking abroad for a European summer.

I have a feeling SQ was the real winner when EY exited the market.
 
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Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:49 pm

What ETOPS rating does SAA have on their A330's for their JNB-PER flight!? I know LATAM has ETOPS 330 for SCL-AKL/MEL. Also anyone know if LATAM has loaded the SCL-SYD non-stops into their system yet? They will become MUCH more competitive to GRU on the days they operate the non-stop flight (versus stopping in AKL on the alternate days).
 
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Sun Jun 30, 2019 6:54 pm

UPDATE: I did some Googling and SAA has ETOPS 240 on their A330's allowing JNB-PER/GRU.
 
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Sun Jun 30, 2019 9:34 pm

Jeez. It’s july!

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Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:13 am

QR900 DOH-PER diverted to Colombo last night. Arrived into PER around midnight (6hrs late) and delayed QR901 by 3.5hrs.
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:31 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/285156/fiji-airways-discontinues-adelaide-service-in-late-july-2019/

FJ to end ADL from late July.


That was posted as one of the last few entries in the June thread.

Possibly temporary due to the Max grounding.
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:32 am

Jetstar has extended OOL-ICN from seasonal to year round

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Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:39 am

SeaEagle8 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/285156/fiji-airways-discontinues-adelaide-service-in-late-july-2019/

FJ to end ADL from late July.


That was posted as one of the last few entries in the June thread.

Possibly temporary due to the Max grounding.


I must have missed it. I did wonder also if the MAX grounding has something to do with it, I’m not overly convinced that it does TBH.
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 6:43 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
SeaEagle8 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/285156/fiji-airways-discontinues-adelaide-service-in-late-july-2019/

FJ to end ADL from late July.


That was posted as one of the last few entries in the June thread.

Possibly temporary due to the Max grounding.


I must have missed it. I did wonder also if the MAX grounding has something to do with it, I’m not overly convinced that it does TBH.


I agree, I think that scenarios like this the MAX is being used as it is convenient and fits into the current narrative, I think the truth lies elsewhere such as the route not performing up to expectation
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:21 am

9V-SHG has taken the honours of operating the first SQ223/214 A359 rotation
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:33 am

AirAsia currently promoting Perth and WA, wonder if this coincides with the recently launched Lombok services

https://twitter.com/AirAsia/status/1145 ... 51040?s=20
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:06 am

Few things for BNE recently

Thai Airasia X commenced DMK-BNE last Wednesday. Will operate 4x weekly with A333 before changing to A339 soon
Royal Brunei starting BWN-BNE next Thursday (11/7) with A32N and will operate 4x weekly
Compass Jet expected to commence services sometime in next few months
China Southern from July to October operating A332 in lieu of A333 but still daily
Hainan Airlines increasing SZX-BNE to 3x weekly until 31/8 with all flights on A333
Eva Air adding 78J from 4th quarter replacing A333 as well as increasing to 5x weekly year-round and daily in peak periods
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:47 am

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Few things for BNE recently

Thai Airasia X commenced DMK-BNE last Wednesday. Will operate 4x weekly with A333 before changing to A339 soon


Any date on the A339 at all yet?

TIA.
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 1:12 pm

Cobham's first Q400 has just ferried to SNN for painting, expect it to arrive in PER before the end of the month. Three year old frame, ex D-ABQS of LGW/Air Berlin.
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 7:01 pm

It seems that VA 77W VH-VPH is at VCV for repairs on its fuel tank
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:03 pm

VHZNE wrote:
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Few things for BNE recently

Thai Airasia X commenced DMK-BNE last Wednesday. Will operate 4x weekly with A333 before changing to A339 soon


Any date on the A339 at all yet?

TIA.


Heard in next 2 weeks or so. Won’t be on every flight initially, probably will be once 2nd one is delivered.
 
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Fiji Airways confirms it is pulling the plug on ADL-NAN as of July 20

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Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:25 am

Garuda's LCC Citilink is planning services to Australia

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Tue Jul 02, 2019 12:00 pm

VH-NJE arrived at 1900 AWST ex. MKR as JTE979. It was greeted by emergency services due to a gear issue
 
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Garuda's LCC Citilink is planning services to Australia

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... it-459394/


Hopefully this won’t be at the expense of GA services, particularly to PER. GA is the only J option besides Batik.
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 1:16 am

BITRE out for April

Virgin numbers improved across the board, New Zealand improved somewhat with a 80.5% LF inbound and 72.8% outbound
Qatar carried more passengers in/out of PER than EK for the first time, outbound LF just under 98% for the month vs EK 96%
Batik Indonesia slowly improving coming in at just over 50%

https://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/o ... y_1904.pdf
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 4:59 am

ben175 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Garuda's LCC Citilink is planning services to Australia

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... it-459394/


Hopefully this won’t be at the expense of GA services, particularly to PER. GA is the only J option besides Batik.

Have a feeling that East Coast-DPS flight is their target due to severe competition and the nature of being a price-sensitive market; if they want to go PER they can literally do that tomorrow since it's within A320's range IMO.

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:07 am

eamondzhang wrote:
ben175 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Garuda's LCC Citilink is planning services to Australia

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... it-459394/


Hopefully this won’t be at the expense of GA services, particularly to PER. GA is the only J option besides Batik.

Have a feeling that East Coast-DPS flight is their target due to severe competition and the nature of being a price-sensitive market; if they want to go PER they can literally do that tomorrow since it's within A320's range IMO.

Michael


I still hope GA doesn’t exit the market fully - hopefully they follow a similar model to QF at HNL - maybe 4 x weekly GA and 5 x weekly Citilink services to both SYD and MEL.
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:19 am

ben175 wrote:
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ben175 wrote:

Hopefully this won’t be at the expense of GA services, particularly to PER. GA is the only J option besides Batik.

Have a feeling that East Coast-DPS flight is their target due to severe competition and the nature of being a price-sensitive market; if they want to go PER they can literally do that tomorrow since it's within A320's range IMO.

Michael


I still hope GA doesn’t exit the market fully - hopefully they follow a similar model to QF at HNL - maybe 4 x weekly GA and 5 x weekly Citilink services to both SYD and MEL.

Or even QF group's own DPS service for that matter :bouncy:

But being GA, things can change anytime so don't think we'll know until closer to the date. Just look at their LHR drama for example.

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BITRE out for April

Virgin numbers improved across the board, New Zealand improved somewhat with a 80.5% LF inbound and 72.8% outbound
Qatar carried more passengers in/out of PER than EK for the first time, outbound LF just under 98% for the month vs EK 96%
Batik Indonesia slowly improving coming in at just over 50%



98% average load sounds like terrible yield management. They have left plenty of money on the table.
 
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98% average load sounds like terrible yield management. They have left plenty of money on the table.


No it's not, price/demand isn't a straight line as demand is quite elastic in aviation. You are maximizing revenues by maximizing volumes and prices.
 
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qf789 wrote:
BITRE out for April

Virgin numbers improved across the board, New Zealand improved somewhat with a 80.5% LF inbound and 72.8% outbound
Qatar carried more passengers in/out of PER than EK for the first time, outbound LF just under 98% for the month vs EK 96%
Batik Indonesia slowly improving coming in at just over 50%



98% average load sounds like terrible yield management. They have left plenty of money on the table.

April included school holidays, Easter and ANZAC Day which all occurred across the same few weeks so good traffic is not surprising. I flew to Europe on Maundy Thursday and saw the loads out of Melbourne on all the airlines on the night I departed and they were all pretty much chockers. As to question of yields, we do not know and never will.
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LATAM new Sydney schedule out, looks like AKL is being reduced to 4 weekly! Sydney Schedule below
LA803 0615 LA802 1000 1..4.6.
LA801 0915 LA800 1100 .23.5.7
 
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LATAM new Sydney schedule out, looks like AKL is being reduced to 4 weekly! Sydney Schedule below
LA803 0615 LA802 1000 1..4.6.
LA801 0915 LA800 1100 .23.5.7


I wonder how LA’s schedule would look if they weren’t having issues with their 787 fleet. I think their fleet is stretched quite thin - hence MEL and AKL now reduced.
 
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98% average load sounds like terrible yield management. They have left plenty of money on the table.


No it's not, price/demand isn't a straight line as demand is quite elastic in aviation. You are maximizing revenues by maximizing volumes and prices.


Correct, but as you said demand isn't linear. Especially for higher yielding traffic it's not easy to shift demand from one day of the week to another by pricing. So a 98% load factor indicates that there were quite a few days in there where the plane was full to the brim, and that means either they hit the sweet spot exactly (quite unlikely) or they left money on the table because they undercharged the passengers.
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:49 am

98% load factor may or may not be a good thing. Without knowledge of QR's yields who knows.

There were only 2 scenarios I could think of in regards to QR's 98% loads.

Best case scenario:
QR could've charged most economy passengers near (or close to full flexible) fares. In combination with full premium cabins with mostly fully paid passengers. Meaning QR would've been rolling around in cash and profit

Worst case scenario:
QR filled those flights with low yielding VFR, backpacker/tourist fares in economy and mostly "redemptions" in the premium cabins. This means QR has undercharged and/or had to discount their fares to fill their cabins, meaning they mostly lost money.
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:53 am

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98% average load sounds like terrible yield management. They have left plenty of money on the table.


No it's not, price/demand isn't a straight line as demand is quite elastic in aviation. You are maximizing revenues by maximizing volumes and prices.


Sorry but you're wrong. Pretty much every airline in the world runs on a similar yield management model, and having an average load factor of 98% is pretty much a fail whichever way you dice it. If they can fill the aircraft at the same average yield as they would get at 80% then they are on to a winner, but that is highly unlikely in which case QR have prioritised capacity ahead of revenue management.
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:35 pm

QF742 wrote:
Qantas029 wrote:
LATAM new Sydney schedule out, looks like AKL is being reduced to 4 weekly! Sydney Schedule below
LA803 0615 LA802 1000 1..4.6.
LA801 0915 LA800 1100 .23.5.7


I wonder how LA’s schedule would look if they weren’t having issues with their 787 fleet. I think their fleet is stretched quite thin - hence MEL and AKL now reduced.


LA's schedule would look the same as all of their 787s are now flying.

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98% average load sounds like terrible yield management. They have left plenty of money on the table.


Would a similar post have been made if the airline in question was QF instead of QR?
 
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98% average load sounds like terrible yield management. They have left plenty of money on the table.


Would a similar post have been made if the airline in question was QF instead of QR?


Of course. It's about the number not the airline.
 
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No it's not, price/demand isn't a straight line as demand is quite elastic in aviation. You are maximizing revenues by maximizing volumes and prices.


Sorry but you're wrong. Pretty much every airline in the world runs on a similar yield management model, and having an average load factor of 98% is pretty much a fail whichever way you dice it. If they can fill the aircraft at the same average yield as they would get at 80% then they are on to a winner, but that is highly unlikely in which case QR have prioritised capacity ahead of revenue management.


It's not just about yield, it's all about the right balance between volume and yield to maximize revenues. Both parameters have an upper bound, a customer won't pay $20k for a PER-DOH return in economy and you can't add more seats to an A380. Add the high elasticity of aviation in general and airlines are better off filling 98% of their plane at a lower yield than 80% at a higher yield.
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:56 pm

While some are focusing on yields the high load factor of QR does tell a story. In fact this is not a once off, these high loads have also continued into May and June with a good proportion of flights departing with 100% load factor. As for Emirates even after them reducing to daily their loads are inconsistent, some days as recent as in the past couple of weeks the difference between Emirates and Qatar has been anywhere between 50 and 100 passengers on some nights. Without a doubt the main benefactor of EK dropping down to daily has been QR. Sure some of the Asian airlines such as SQ, CX and to a lesser extent MH have also benefited.

While on the subject of MH, over the past 2 weeks the A333 has been operating quite a bit, they seem to be doing rather well to PER atm.
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PA515 wrote:
QF742 wrote:
Qantas029 wrote:
LATAM new Sydney schedule out, looks like AKL is being reduced to 4 weekly! Sydney Schedule below
LA803 0615 LA802 1000 1..4.6.
LA801 0915 LA800 1100 .23.5.7


I wonder how LA’s schedule would look if they weren’t having issues with their 787 fleet. I think their fleet is stretched quite thin - hence MEL and AKL now reduced.


LA's schedule would look the same as all of their 787s are now flying.

PA515


By the time this service starts LA will have taken delivery of another 2 789's, both of which are due around the same time as QF's first 2 789's
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I read that all LATAM ETOPS problems are fixed. LA802 is blocked at 13 hours 15 minutes east-bound SYD-SCL (1000 to 0915) and LA803 is 14 hours 45 minutes west-bound SCL-SYD (0130 0615) in 2019. I wonder how much longer the flights are due to ETOPS 330 compared with QF27/28. LA802/LA803 will become the flight with the longest diversion point from a ETOPS point (that and Air New Zealand's AKL-EZE). MEL-SCL is downgraded to the B788 and the SYD/AKL flights (both non-stop and one-day via AKL) are now B789.
 
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I read that all LATAM ETOPS problems are fixed. LA802 is blocked at 13 hours 15 minutes east-bound SYD-SCL (1000 to 0915) and LA803 is 14 hours 45 minutes west-bound SCL-SYD (0130 0615) in 2019. I wonder how much longer the flights is due to ETOPS 330 compared with QF27/28. LA802/LA803 will become the flight with the longest diversion point from a ETOPS point (that and Air New Zealand's AKL-EZE). MEL-SCL is downgraded to the B788 and the SYD/AKL flights (both non-stop and one-day via AKL) are now B789.

How does SCL-MEL compare re diversion point, I presume very similar to SCL-SYD?
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:33 pm

Very similar. You can see MEL-SCL on FR here: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 4#211eba53
The flight goes VERY far south to take advantage of the winds. Flightaware has a virtual showing of the path: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/LAN ... /YMML/SCEL
On the Australian/NZ side there's Christchurch & Melbourne. On the Argentinian side there's Ushuaia and Río Gallegos (the only airports that can take a B788 or B789). The bad thing is LATAM has RR engines on their 787 fleet and there's concerns of RR engine reliability. (Hopefully RR has fixed it at last!).
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:14 pm

LATAM SYD-SCL goes non-stop on Oct 27 three days a week, remaining four days stay as SYD-AKL-SCL.

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