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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:30 am

VA962/981 BNE-SYD-BNE upgraded to A332 today as well
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:22 am

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QF431 SYD-MEL was operated by 747 VH-OEJ today. Does anyone know why?


Most likely due to weather in SYD, VA has also added a couple of A332 services on MEL-SYD today

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-a ... d81de780fd



Adding on to that, SYD was down to one runway today too, so that wouldn’t help with the delays.


The single runway ops is because of the weather, crystal clear skies, just 30 + knot westerlies blowing all day, more or less straight down RWY 25.

Great for spotting/photography, not so good if you're travelling.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:49 pm

This has shown the urgency for Western Sydney Airport.
I don't understand why we need another 7 years to build it whilst countries like China can build an airport using half of the time like PKX or CAN.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:54 pm

Here's the first Cobham Q400, now painted in full livery. To become VH-IYJ.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:58 pm

CityRail wrote:
This has shown the urgency for Western Sydney Airport.
I don't understand why we need another 7 years to build it whilst countries like China can build an airport using half of the time like PKX or CAN.

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Regardless of whether SWZ is operational or not it would not change a lot. The preference for the airlines will be SYD with services to SWZ complimenting the SYD services, similarly the same could be said for MEL and AVV and to a lesser extent BNE and OOL.

The delays, I speak domestically have been poor for the past week and half now, at least. Last weekend there was fog at SYD both Saturday and Sunday mornings, MEL has had weather delays over the period of that time as well. OTP is well and truly in the gutter this month. Essentially when either SYD or MEL have bad weather it has a significant knock on effect for the rest of the network. Apart from the weather the other significant contributions to delays are upline delays due to the aircraft operating late on the prior sector and crew being late as a result of significant delays meaning you may have an aircraft on ground ready to go but they are waiting for crew off other flights which causes a domino effect. It simply cascades from there.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:22 am

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This has shown the urgency for Western Sydney Airport.I don't understand why we need another 7 years to build it whilst countries like China can build an airport using half of the time like PKX or CAN.


Australia = democracy, public consultation, living wages, construction standards and health & safety laws to protect workers

China = no elections, what the Govt says is what happens, very low wages and plenty of people from the country do the work, LOL what standards and worker protection?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:38 am

PKX has also taken 5yrs to build, and I suspect not as much earth flattening as Badgerys Creek - it wasn't exactly a level site.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:11 am

Cobham’s first Dash 8 Q400 is OE-IIP (to be registered as VH-IYJ), it’s ex. Air Berlin, currently in Shannon, due in to Perth on the 22nd or 23rd of July.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:24 am

CityRail wrote:
This has shown the urgency for Western Sydney Airport.
I don't understand why we need another 7 years to build it whilst countries like China can build an airport using half of the time like PKX or CAN.

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It has taken 30 plus years to get to this stage, let's just be grateful it is actually happening. Also, as has been mentioned, it is not exactly a flat site, the earth moving works alone will probably take 2 years.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:44 am

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Don’t forget VANZ.. they do all the flights between NZ, Australia, Vanuatu, Samoa etc on the internationally configured 737’s. Aussie crew only do these flights if somebody goes sick mid duty.


There is no such thing as VANZ, nor are there any international configured 737's, the difference is related to ETOPS

There IS such a crew base as VANZ actually.. and the international 737’s are fitted with extra ELT’s, centreline rafts and more portable oxygen.. anything VH-YI*


What happened to the old ZK-PB* aircraft when they got transferred to the Australian register?

Did they get stripped of there ETOPS rating and equipment? And now limited to domestic flying only?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:46 am

zkncj wrote:
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qf789 wrote:

There is no such thing as VANZ, nor are there any international configured 737's, the difference is related to ETOPS

There IS such a crew base as VANZ actually.. and the international 737’s are fitted with extra ELT’s, centreline rafts and more portable oxygen.. anything VH-YI*


What happened to the old ZK-PB* aircraft when they got transferred to the Australian register?

Did they get stripped of there ETOPS rating and equipment? And now limited to domestic flying only?


Correct. Most are now VH-VO* and VH-VU* tails and are among the oldest B737NG’s in the VA fleet. Three of them were transferred to TT over the past few years as well.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Mon Jul 15, 2019 8:53 am

BITRE Domestic activity for May has been released at: https://www.bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoing/domestic_airline_activity-monthly_publications.aspx

Growth still very flat, only 0.4 per cent over last May, and 0.2 per cent for the top ten airports. HBA still appears the place to go though, up 6.1 per cent over last May. Who'd have thought the country would be in an aviation recession without Tasmania!

ASP-DRW numbers have tanked, and the seat increase from the upguage to 73H has resulted in a 35% load factor! No wonder the F100 was brought in.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:26 am

JQ appears to be increasing HBA-ADL by one flight per week (Mondays), and HBA-SYD by three flights per week (Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays) for NS20. There's also an upguage on one HBA-MEL to 321, making three of the six daily operated by this type.

I had noticed schedule timing changes for NW19-20 which made me think they were setting HBA-ADL up for a daily service, but perhaps the NS20 schedule is a sign of a yet to be announced increase for NW19-20?

My rationale for thinking HBA-ADL was going daily is the existing service during NW is operated as a W routing MEL-HBA-ADL-HBA-MEL three days per week, and just MEL-HBA-MEL on the other four days; the schedule timing change for the last HBA-MEL to depart in sync every day of the week, as opposed to an earlier departure on the days the ADL doesn't run, would have fitted perfectly, but the extra services to SYD also fit.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:27 am

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JQ appears to be increasing HBA-ADL by one flight per week (Mondays), and HBA-SYD by three flights per week (Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays) for NS20. There's also an upguage on one HBA-MEL to 321, making three of the six daily operated by this type.

I had noticed schedule timing changes for NW19-20 which made me think they were setting HBA-ADL up for a daily service, but perhaps the NS20 schedule is a sign of a yet to be announced increase for NW19-20?

My rationale for thinking HBA-ADL was going daily is the existing service during NW is operated as a W routing MEL-HBA-ADL-HBA-MEL three days per week, and just MEL-HBA-MEL on the other four days; the schedule timing change for the last HBA-MEL to depart in sync every day of the week, as opposed to an earlier departure on the days the ADL doesn't run, would have fitted perfectly, but the extra services to SYD also fit.


Hi TasFlyer,

Where did you see this? I thought this was only in April due to the School Holidays and Easter and the extra Sydney services are the same as this year over the summer with 4 flights on W,F,S and 3 on others (some days are 2 days...)

I like your thinking about the ADL service going daily but I think the schedule was aligned a while ago as the 715/716 pairing have been timed the same as the 716 on ADL days for sometime.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:36 pm

Boof wrote:
TasFlyer wrote:
JQ appears to be increasing HBA-ADL by one flight per week (Mondays), and HBA-SYD by three flights per week (Wednesdays, Fridays, and Sundays) for NS20. There's also an upguage on one HBA-MEL to 321, making three of the six daily operated by this type.

I had noticed schedule timing changes for NW19-20 which made me think they were setting HBA-ADL up for a daily service, but perhaps the NS20 schedule is a sign of a yet to be announced increase for NW19-20?

My rationale for thinking HBA-ADL was going daily is the existing service during NW is operated as a W routing MEL-HBA-ADL-HBA-MEL three days per week, and just MEL-HBA-MEL on the other four days; the schedule timing change for the last HBA-MEL to depart in sync every day of the week, as opposed to an earlier departure on the days the ADL doesn't run, would have fitted perfectly, but the extra services to SYD also fit.


Hi TasFlyer,

Where did you see this? I thought this was only in April due to the School Holidays and Easter and the extra Sydney services are the same as this year over the summer with 4 flights on W,F,S and 3 on others (some days are 2 days...)

I like your thinking about the ADL service going daily but I think the schedule was aligned a while ago as the 715/716 pairing have been timed the same as the 716 on ADL days for sometime.

Cheers,
Boof


This is loaded in the JQ schedules.

You must be looking at the wrong schedules because JQ's HBA-SYD has been four daily with a fifth on selected days (Wednesday and Saturday last year) for a number of years now during summer. Schedules for NW19-20 match this frequency, but the fifth Wednesday service is in the same time slot as the additional services I reported commence later, in NS20.

The HBA-ADL schedules confuse a lot of people because during NW they are operated by a MEL based aircraft as a W route MEL-HBA-ADL-HBA-MEL; but, during NS they are operated by an ADL based aircraft as a straight ADL-HBA-ADL. Last year during NW, the HBA-MEL service departed earlier on the days the HBA-ADL did not run; but the schedule for this year has these services synced to depart HBA at the same time every day. During NS though, the ADL based aircraft of course operates the HBA flight at the same time every day - this is irrelevant to my argument because I'm speculating about the NW schedule. In view of the NS20 changes already loaded, my money is now on these frequencies commencing in NW19-20 and to be announced soon.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:41 am

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Cobham's first Q400 has just ferried to SNN for painting, expect it to arrive in PER before the end of the month. Three year old frame, ex D-ABQS of LGW/Air Berlin.


What kind of a routing would that take on it's way to Perth ? Would seem like quite a long journey with quite a few stops en-route.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:22 am

VH-OQG just positioned back to LHR as QF6006 and VH-OQK has landed after operating QF1.

Presume this is the start of the refurbs.
(Unless in the very unlikely event they did OQG in the 5 wks it spent in DRS with no publicity or leaks - very unlike QF)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Tue Jul 16, 2019 10:56 am

And as expected VH-OQK off to DRS as QF6005
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:48 pm

BAeRJ100 wrote:
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Cobham's first Q400 has just ferried to SNN for painting, expect it to arrive in PER before the end of the month. Three year old frame, ex D-ABQS of LGW/Air Berlin.


What kind of a routing would that take on it's way to Perth ? Would seem like quite a long journey with quite a few stops en-route.


Saarbrucken - Heraklion - Cairo - Al Bateen - Ahmedabad - Chennai - Phuket - Subang - Denpasar - Broome - Perth.


Thanks for that !!!

That's quite an amazing routing !!!

Is this for sure what route the aircraft will take or just what similar aircraft usually take ?

What is the situation with crewing ? Does one crew fly the whole flight, and how long does a journey like this usually take ? I assume that the crew would then be flown back to Europe after having dropped the aircraft off.

Made a quick map on gcmap to show routing.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:24 am

Atlas Air Boeing 747-481 [N263SG] arrived into PER at 0523UTC ex. HNL. This is being chartered by Manchester United and is scheduled to depart to SIN tomorrow at 0555UTC.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:24 am

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Is this for sure what route the aircraft will take or just what similar aircraft usually take ?

What is the situation with crewing ? Does one crew fly the whole flight, and how long does a journey like this usually take ? I assume that the crew would then be flown back to Europe after having dropped the aircraft off.


That's the route planned for this specific delivery. From what I've heard, it should take about a week to accomplish, with an Australian crew bringing her the entire way from Saarbrucken.
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:57 pm

westgate wrote:
BAeRJ100 wrote:
westgate wrote:

What kind of a routing would that take on it's way to Perth ? Would seem like quite a long journey with quite a few stops en-route.


Saarbrucken - Heraklion - Cairo - Al Bateen - Ahmedabad - Chennai - Phuket - Subang - Denpasar - Broome - Perth.


Thanks for that !!!

That's quite an amazing routing !!!

Is this for sure what route the aircraft will take or just what similar aircraft usually take ?

What is the situation with crewing ? Does one crew fly the whole flight, and how long does a journey like this usually take ? I assume that the crew would then be flown back to Europe after having dropped the aircraft off.

Made a quick map on gcmap to show routing.

Image


This is the proposed route with an estimated date of arrival on the 24th/25th. Will be flown by Cobham pilots back to Perth.

2nd airframe to follow shortly after with a date TBA.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:41 am

I stumbled across a Woolworths ad on tv.. 'Win 1 of 116 holidays to Walt Disney World Florida'. Did a google search and it is a QANTAS operated A380 charter, departing SYD 19/01/2020 and returning to SYD 16/01/2020. It will be plane load full of competition winners :)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:43 am

Wow must be time travelling on that flight ;)
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:20 pm

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This is the proposed route with an estimated date of arrival on the 24th/25th. Will be flown by Cobham pilots back to Perth.


You're half right. I'm not really at liberty to say much else.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:01 pm

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I stumbled across a Woolworths ad on tv.. 'Win 1 of 116 holidays to Walt Disney World Florida'. Did a google search and it is a QANTAS operated A380 charter, departing SYD 19/01/2020 and returning to SYD 16/01/2020. It will be plane load full of competition winners :)

This QF flight popped up either here or another forum last month but no one knew what it involved beyond most likely been a charter for someone. Interesting to get more details.
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:03 pm

Any idea if/when QF will move from PEK to PKX given CZ and MU will move there?
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:11 pm

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Wow must be time travelling on that flight ;)


fat fingers..return is 26th
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:43 pm

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Any idea if/when QF will move from PEK to PKX given CZ and MU will move there?

They don't have to, not forced and neither CZ nor MU is not moving all flights across.

Also don't believe this flight relies heavily on connections from PEK end - I've seen more connections on CA if yo try to buy QF107/8 than MU!

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Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:31 am

Just saw that Thai Air Asia X Is reducing its BNE frequencies already from 4/week to 3/week from August. This route has only been operating for around 4 weeks, very surprised to see them already cutting back. Have loads been that poor? With the fares they were offering I thought it would be increasing rather than decreasing!
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Just saw that Thai Air Asia X Is reducing its BNE frequencies already from 4/week to 3/week from August. This route has only been operating for around 4 weeks, very surprised to see them already cutting back. Have loads been that poor? With the fares they were offering I thought it would be increasing rather than decreasing!


Reportedly forward bookings for Tuesday off-peak and eventual loads on the Tuesday flights has been poor. Also noted is that TG doesn't fly on Tuesdays either.

I suspect XJ will stick at x3 off-peak and increase back to x4 during peak periods.
 
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Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:57 am

SCFlyer wrote:
Goodbye wrote:
Just saw that Thai Air Asia X Is reducing its BNE frequencies already from 4/week to 3/week from August. This route has only been operating for around 4 weeks, very surprised to see them already cutting back. Have loads been that poor? With the fares they were offering I thought it would be increasing rather than decreasing!


Reportedly forward bookings for Tuesday off-peak and eventual loads on the Tuesday flights has been poor. Also noted is that TG doesn't fly on Tuesdays either.

I suspect XJ will stick at x3 off-peak and increase back to x4 during peak periods.


There were rumours going around they were also considering starting another Australian port
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 19, 2019 10:58 am

Tianjin Airlines resuming TSN-CGO-SYD from 28 Oct 19, 2 weekly A332

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-in-nw19/
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Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:12 am

Has anyone heard much in regards to Cobham’s first Dash 8 Q400. I’ve been unable to track it
 
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Fri Jul 19, 2019 11:38 am

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Has anyone heard much in regards to Cobham’s first Dash 8 Q400. I’ve been unable to track it


Aircraft arriving in Perth on the 24/25th July. Not uncommon for Flightradar24 or FlightAware to not show flights.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:47 am

July 20th qantasnewsroom on qantas.com, the QF/AA JV has reached final approval, most notable qantas new routes of BNE-SFO and BNE-ORD(most likely) will now be finalised re frequency/timings to each port for an 'end of April 2020 commencement', with 'fares available soon'.
 
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Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:15 am

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July 20th qantasnewsroom on qantas.com, the QF/AA JV has reached final approval, most notable qantas new routes of BNE-SFO and BNE-ORD(most likely) will now be finalised re frequency/timings to each port for an 'end of April 2020 commencement', with 'fares available soon'.


It would be helpful if a link was provided

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ravellers/
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Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:24 am

Singapore Airlines will add a 5th weekly SIN-MEL-WLG from 1 Jan 20

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Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:22 am

The GA8 Airvan has been grounded by CASA following an accident in Sweden last weekend:

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Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:48 am

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July 20th qantasnewsroom on qantas.com, the QF/AA JV has reached final approval, most notable qantas new routes of BNE-SFO and BNE-ORD(most likely) will now be finalised re frequency/timings to each port for an 'end of April 2020 commencement', with 'fares available soon'.


Shame with the formal announcement we didn’t hear of any more adjustments from the AA side. MEL-LAX, return of 77W to SYD.

On a side note as a point of conversation; how do we feel QF MEL-SFO will compete against UA MEL-SFO? UA will arrive into SFO early morning, allowing a decent days work, or connections. QF on the other hand currently arrive late evening, allowing some connections but a lost day. Will this impact QF yields enough for a schedule and utilisation reshuffle once more 789 are delivered?
 
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Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:58 am

smi0006 wrote:
undertheradar wrote:
July 20th qantasnewsroom on qantas.com, the QF/AA JV has reached final approval, most notable qantas new routes of BNE-SFO and BNE-ORD(most likely) will now be finalised re frequency/timings to each port for an 'end of April 2020 commencement', with 'fares available soon'.


Shame with the formal announcement we didn’t hear of any more adjustments from the AA side. MEL-LAX, return of 77W to SYD.

On a side note as a point of conversation; how do we feel QF MEL-SFO will compete against UA MEL-SFO? UA will arrive into SFO early morning, allowing a decent days work, or connections. QF on the other hand currently arrive late evening, allowing some connections but a lost day. Will this impact QF yields enough for a schedule and utilisation reshuffle once more 789 are delivered?


UA are 3 weekly to start, is this a year round service for them? I’m not sure it will affect QF to much tbh, I’d expect QF may increase with the AA JV to 6 weekly. However SFO being UA’s biggest hub I’d say if the flight does well they will look to increase in NW20/21.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:05 am

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Shame with the formal announcement we didn’t hear of any more adjustments from the AA side. MEL-LAX, return of 77W to SYD.


I was going to say the same thing, and didn't AA promise it would also open some new routes between AU and US?

On a side note as a point of conversation; how do we feel QF MEL-SFO will compete against UA MEL-SFO? UA will arrive into SFO early morning, allowing a decent days work, or connections. QF on the other hand currently arrive late evening, allowing some connections but a lost day. Will this impact QF yields enough for a schedule and utilisation reshuffle once more 789 are delivered?


I think QF will naturally win over most of the Aussies. Not just because it's Qantas and because of the Qantas points and status credits which are so much more useful to Aussies than UA miles, but because it's also a much better business class seat and Qantas generally is better at meals and service than UA. I wouldn't mind the 'lost day' because I can get a good night's sleep so I can reset my body clock and the next day I am good to go, this is much better than trying to push through a long day when you are jetlagged. In terms of connections SFO is as far as I understand mainly point-to-point traffic especially for QF, but if you did want to make connections then I think you would preference UA anyway because SFO is a 'mini hub' for UA and would have much better connections than on say AA.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:18 am

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July 20th qantasnewsroom on qantas.com, the QF/AA JV has reached final approval, most notable qantas new routes of BNE-SFO and BNE-ORD(most likely) will now be finalised re frequency/timings to each port for an 'end of April 2020 commencement', with 'fares available soon'.


Shame with the formal announcement we didn’t hear of any more adjustments from the AA side. MEL-LAX, return of 77W to SYD.

On a side note as a point of conversation; how do we feel QF MEL-SFO will compete against UA MEL-SFO? UA will arrive into SFO early morning, allowing a decent days work, or connections. QF on the other hand currently arrive late evening, allowing some connections but a lost day. Will this impact QF yields enough for a schedule and utilisation reshuffle once more 789 are delivered?


Where QF is concerned passengers flying to SFO are going to SFO and not beyond, sure there would be some connections however it wouldn't be like LAX or DFW. The argument of a lost day is well debatable, departing earlier from MEL means you loose a day here so whether its a early or late departure both have their advantages and disadvantages. Also where QF is concerned it is to maximise utilisation of the 789 fleet. Also I would add even with a late night departure ex MEL your nor really losing a day because you are still arrive in SFO on the same day

Maybe we wont hear any announcements until next month, perhaps where QF is concerned it could be announced at their group results for 18/19. We are also about a month away from parts arriving at PAE for the next 789 for QF, rollout should be towards mid September and delivery the second half of October
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Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:26 am

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Where QF is concerned passengers flying to SFO are going to SFO and not beyond, sure there would be some connections however it wouldn't be like LAX or DFW. The argument of a lost day is well debatable, departing earlier from MEL means you loose a day here so whether its a early or late departure both have their advantages and disadvantages.


That's also true, you get the full day in Melbourne for working or whatever, which you lose if you fly with UA, so either way you will 'gain' a day either in MEL or SFO and 'lose' a day either at SFO or MEL.

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Maybe we wont hear any announcements until next month, perhaps where QF is concerned it could be announced at their group results for 18/19.


I think QF would want its own announcements at the 18/19 results, not to have AA stealing its thunder or being crowded out by other big QF announcements such as the next 787 routes for example. AA will probably do its own press release soon enough and not 'compete' with QF for coverage.

Has AA in the past given any indications of what its new AU-US routes might be? I wonder if MEL-DFW might be one of them.
 
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Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:45 am

How is UA doing on their SYD-IAH route!? I know its only 4x weekly now but it has great connections to Latin America like QF has with DFW and a faster way to Eastern North America. The Oil/Gas/Mining now goes PER-SYD/AKL-IAH now.
 
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Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:51 am

A lot of posters here also forget that QF also has connections at SFO with partner AS hub (the old VX hub). The late arvo/evening arrival for the QF ex-SYD/MEL flights should connect to the evening bank of AS departures.

Whereas UA only has their SFO hub.
On the AU end for UA, UA only has interline arrangements with QF and JQ. (There is no UA/VA interline since that wasn't renewed since that arrangement expired some time ago).
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Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:52 am

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Maybe we wont hear any announcements until next month, perhaps where QF is concerned it could be announced at their group results for 18/19.


I think QF would want its own announcements at the 18/19 results, not to have AA stealing its thunder or being crowded out by other big QF announcements such as the next 787 routes for example. AA will probably do its own press release soon enough and not 'compete' with QF for coverage.

Has AA in the past given any indications of what its new AU-US routes might be? I wonder if MEL-DFW might be one of them.


I was referring to QF announcing start times and schedules for BNE-ORD/SFO.

AA is not going to fly DFW-MEL, they don't have an aircraft suitable for that route it will have to be done on QF. AA's 789's have as many Y seats on their 789's as QF has seats on their 789's, AA 789 configuration is 30J21W234Y
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Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:02 am

qf789 wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:

qf789 wrote:
Maybe we wont hear any announcements until next month, perhaps where QF is concerned it could be announced at their group results for 18/19.


I think QF would want its own announcements at the 18/19 results, not to have AA stealing its thunder or being crowded out by other big QF announcements such as the next 787 routes for example. AA will probably do its own press release soon enough and not 'compete' with QF for coverage.

Has AA in the past given any indications of what its new AU-US routes might be? I wonder if MEL-DFW might be one of them.


I was referring to QF announcing start times and schedules for BNE-ORD/SFO.

AA is not going to fly DFW-MEL, they don't have an aircraft suitable for that route it will have to be done on QF. AA's 789's have as many Y seats on their 789's as QF has seats on their 789's, AA 789 configuration is 30J21W234Y


There is a post somewhere saying that AA see Australia as seasonal, so NW they will send aircraft to Australia/NZ while in NS they send them to Europe, basic understanding would be that AA will do LAX-MEL/BNE replacing QF’s additional frequencies, and there has been some mention of another NZ route probably seasonally as well at least to start.
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:49 am

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A lot of posters here also forget that QF also has connections at SFO with partner AS hub (the old VX hub). The late arvo/evening arrival for the QF ex-SYD/MEL flights should connect to the evening bank of AS departures.

Whereas UA only has their SFO hub.
On the AU end for UA, UA only has interline arrangements with QF and JQ. (There is no UA/VA interline since that wasn't renewed since that arrangement expired some time ago).

UA also has LAX as a hub although it's much much smaller than SFO. Think it still offers some unique destinations that can't be connected non-stop via SFO.

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Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:43 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Where QF is concerned passengers flying to SFO are going to SFO and not beyond, sure there would be some connections however it wouldn't be like LAX or DFW. The argument of a lost day is well debatable, departing earlier from MEL means you loose a day here so whether its a early or late departure both have their advantages and disadvantages.


That's also true, you get the full day in Melbourne for working or whatever, which you lose if you fly with UA, so either way you will 'gain' a day either in MEL or SFO and 'lose' a day either at SFO or MEL.

qf789 wrote:
Maybe we wont hear any announcements until next month, perhaps where QF is concerned it could be announced at their group results for 18/19.


I think QF would want its own announcements at the 18/19 results, not to have AA stealing its thunder or being crowded out by other big QF announcements such as the next 787 routes for example. AA will probably do its own press release soon enough and not 'compete' with QF for coverage.

Has AA in the past given any indications of what its new AU-US routes might be? I wonder if MEL-DFW might be one of them.


AA's routes are rumored to be DFW-AKL and LAX-MEL initially.
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