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Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:22 pm

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IndiGo will be starting from next month, from 22nd Aug onwards, with daily flights on:

Mumbai- Singapore
Mumbai- Bangkok


BOM SIN once again. Well best of luck to them this time. Is there any possibility of a Mumbai - Chengdu in future by 6E given they're launching one from DEL ?

I doubt they'd want to serve the same city in China from Mumbai again, when they can offer Chengdu as a one-stop through DEL from Mumbai. Instead they can launch ops in a new city in China from BOM, like Beijing-since there are no direct flights there from the financial capital.
 
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:26 pm

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Why wouldn’t Indigo fare well on the Mumbai to Singapore route? Aren’t SpiceJet, Air India, Vistara and Go(?) already operating or will be operating on the route? What gives one of these Indian airlines an advantage over the other in operating this route?

Don't confuse Singapore with Bangkok. IndiGo is the only Indian LCC to fly to SIN from various points in India. And will be the sole LCC to serve BOM-SIN route with SQ,AI, and UK too on the route.

BOM-BKK is the route that will have all three Indian LCC's by next month along with Thai LionAir and ThaiSmile i.e the LCC's from the Thai side. Along with AI, TG and Bangkok Airways being the FSC's on the route.
 
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:38 pm

6E's Delhi - Istanbul flight will be operating as a non-stop from tomorrow.

It used to make tech. halts at DOH/AMD either ways since the start of the route.
Interesting to see how they use their remaining bilateral on the route which can be another one-daily/7weekly frequency.

Seperately,
Air India will be restoring the thrice weekly Delhi-Amritsar-Birmingham flight from 15th August 2019.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:14 pm

IndiGo adds a new destination in India : Jodhpur!
Will be flying Delhi & Ahmedabad to Jodhpur from 5th September , using A32X fleet.

Goodbye to AI monopoly at Jodhpur after 9W went off.
 
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:45 pm

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Why wouldn’t Indigo fare well on the Mumbai to Singapore route? Aren’t SpiceJet, Air India, Vistara and Go(?) already operating or will be operating on the route? What gives one of these Indian airlines and advantage over the other in operating this route?

BOM-SIN was among IndiGo's first ever international routes in 2011. It barely lasted a year.
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 3:46 pm

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IndiGo adds a new destination in India : Jodhpur!
Will be flying Delhi & Ahmedabad to Jodhpur from 5th September , using A32X fleet.

Goodbye to AI monopoly at Jodhpur after 9W went off.

I always thought Jodhpur could handle only ATR aircraft
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:11 pm

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I always thought Jodhpur could handle only ATR aircraft

Nope, 9W flew a 737 from BOM/DEL-JDH and AI always on an A32X on the same routes.
 
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:23 pm

Air India will resume its 3x weekly Delhi (DEL) - Amritsar (ATQ) - Birmingham (BHX) flights from 15 August 2019:

https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/11 ... 1669385216
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:49 pm

GoAir appoints ex-Airbus executive Miranda Mills as COO.

https://www.financialexpress.com/indust ... o/1647568/
 
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Wed Jul 17, 2019 5:10 pm

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I doubt they'd want to serve the same city in China from Mumbai again, when they can offer Chengdu as a one-stop through DEL from Mumbai. Instead they can launch ops in a new city in China from BOM, like Beijing-since there are no direct flights there from the financial capital.


Mumbai already has a non stop to Beijing by Air China . They can try PVG instead.
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:28 am

Aviation Regulator penalizes pilot for genuine emergency -- what message is India sending?

https://www.businesstoday.in/sectors/av ... 65065.html
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:02 am

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Aviation Regulator penalizes pilot for genuine emergency -- what message is India sending?

https://www.businesstoday.in/sectors/av ... 65065.html


The message it is sending that it means business now.....no matter what the "quality linkages" of an airline is or might be.....see this https://twitter.com/Mohan_Rngnathan/sta ... 0716521473

He is a certified training captain and expert in South Asia.... In fact he was Silk Air Check Captain, Instructor Captain...
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:59 am

It is time that DGCA also did this .....https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... no-459718/ .......Airbus has introduced a temporary revision to A321neo flight manuals intended to prevent the possibility of the aircraft reaching excessive pitch attitudes.

The European Union Aviation Safety Agency has disclosed that the revision follows analysis of the re-engined type's elevator and aileron computer.

It has not elaborated on the situation beyond stating that "excessive" pitch could occur under certain conditions and "during specific manoeuvres".
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:19 am

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swapcv wrote:
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So, did India back down and give into Pak’s Demand that India withdraw its fighters from the forward operating base (in exchanging for opening its airspace)? And, was it a secret agreement so the Indian Government won’t be embarrassed?


Nothing in the media about the Govt. backing down and withrawing air assets close to the border.

But there is also nothing in the media that said that they didn’t do that. If there is a secret agreement “for India to withdraw the planes why would it be in the media in the first place?


There are many strands to this news. It is simply not possible for forward bases to be vacated from frontline combat attack aircrafts. There are multiple levels of decision making involved in it. What has happened that ( gleaned from multiple news outlets, open source intelligence sources and defence & strategic affairs social media accounts) neighbouring country was under tremendous pressure to normalise relations and show that they are taking some action towards it. So the head of a proscribed terrorist organisation was arrested recently. Plus many airlines were suffering from the airspace blockade since Lahore FIR is a major transit route to Europe from APAC, Trans Tasman. Backdoor diplomacy made the day. To allude Air India got a reprieve from this act is a narrow interpretation. AI was anyways going under the water so blockade or no blockade it does not matter.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:22 am

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Anybody with theological inclination here for a philosophical answer?

You might enjoy reading this book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Immortals_of_Meluha
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:49 am

One news item many missed out on ..........https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 221211.cms

It all depends on how the final share sale agreement is worded. If it leads to these new investors free to sell their stake then not be surprised that a Adani-IAG combine or Adani-Zurich Airports combine making a bid for that. The quest to conquer is not over until the last arrow has been released.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 9:53 am

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unrave wrote:
I always thought Jodhpur could handle only ATR aircraft

Nope, 9W flew a 737 from BOM/DEL-JDH and AI always on an A32X on the same routes.

Actually IC started B732 ops to Jodhpur back in 1981.
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:32 pm

Will Jet’s demise befit foreign carriers far more than Indian carriers?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/qz.com/ind ... ndigo/amp/
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 12:45 pm

srkSJC wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Aviation Regulator penalizes pilot for genuine emergency -- what message is India sending?

https://www.businesstoday.in/sectors/av ... 65065.html


The message it is sending that it means business now.....no matter what the "quality linkages" of an airline is or might be.....see this https://twitter.com/Mohan_Rngnathan/sta ... 0716521473

He is a certified training captain and expert in South Asia.... In fact he was Silk Air Check Captain, Instructor Captain...

I don’t get your point. So, you are suggesting that a captain shouldn’t declare an emergency when he has just 10 minutes of fuel? That would be nuts! Heck, an avianca plane crashed in New York years ago because it ran out of fuel and couldn’t land in time. I believe there were hardly any survivors.

What you are suggesting I’d totally dangerous. Pilots will now take greater risks in declaring emergencies in fear they would be penalized for it!
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:02 pm

ANA schedule for NRT-MAA effective 27th October:

NH 825 NRT1110 - 1745MAA 788 357
NH 826 MAA2030 - 0725(+1)NRT 788 357

169 seater B788 to operate. Bookings open on July 24th.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Thu Jul 18, 2019 1:54 pm

edealinfo wrote:
srkSJC wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Aviation Regulator penalizes pilot for genuine emergency -- what message is India sending?

https://www.businesstoday.in/sectors/av ... 65065.html


The message it is sending that it means business now.....no matter what the "quality linkages" of an airline is or might be.....see this https://twitter.com/Mohan_Rngnathan/sta ... 0716521473

He is a certified training captain and expert in South Asia.... In fact he was Silk Air Check Captain, Instructor Captain...

I don’t get your point. So, you are suggesting that a captain shouldn’t declare an emergency when he has just 10 minutes of fuel? That would be nuts! Heck, an avianca plane crashed in New York years ago because it ran out of fuel and couldn’t land in time. I believe there were hardly any survivors.

What you are suggesting I’d totally dangerous. Pilots will now take greater risks in declaring emergencies in fear they would be penalized for it!


I don't know what obcession you have in criticising Indian govt or DGCA.Declaring MAYDAY is not a crime.
Have some proper knowledge rather than mocking.
DGCA has clearly issued a CAR ASC 3 of 2019 regarding Fuel planning and weather conditions..this issue has been addressed in many AIP s.
In this case the captain had delayed in his actions in planning executing.They first planned to LKO and then to Pragyaraj and then returned back to KANPUR And then back to LKO(I think the pilot here thought of landing as they already have operating base at LKO).which was first alternative when ATC informed them that weather conditions improved .Purely lack of Adverse Weather Training .


DGCA has already had strict norms regarding this issue.kindly have a read of this CAR Para 1.
http://www.dgca.nic.in/circular/ASC03_2019.pdf
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 2:59 pm

adi00654 wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
srkSJC wrote:

The message it is sending that it means business now.....no matter what the "quality linkages" of an airline is or might be.....see this https://twitter.com/Mohan_Rngnathan/sta ... 0716521473

He is a certified training captain and expert in South Asia.... In fact he was Silk Air Check Captain, Instructor Captain...

I don’t get your point. So, you are suggesting that a captain shouldn’t declare an emergency when he has just 10 minutes of fuel? That would be nuts! Heck, an avianca plane crashed in New York years ago because it ran out of fuel and couldn’t land in time. I believe there were hardly any survivors.

What you are suggesting I’d totally dangerous. Pilots will now take greater risks in declaring emergencies in fear they would be penalized for it!


I don't know what obcession you have in criticising Indian govt or DGCA.Declaring MAYDAY is not a crime.
Have some proper knowledge rather than mocking.
DGCA has clearly issued a CAR ASC 3 of 2019 regarding Fuel planning and weather conditions..this issue has been addressed in many AIP s.
In this case the captain had delayed in his actions in planning executing.They first planned to LKO and then to Pragyaraj and then returned back to KANPUR And then back to LKO(I think the pilot here thought of landing as they already have operating base at LKO).which was first alternative when ATC informed them that weather conditions improved .Purely lack of Adverse Weather Training .


DGCA has already had strict norms regarding this issue.kindly have a read of this CAR Para 1.
http://www.dgca.nic.in/circular/ASC03_2019.pdf


There is a saying that you can wake a sleeping man but not someone pretending to be asleep! The twitter link was self-explanatory, not to mention a bare minimum search on the web would have shown the actual reason for DGCA action. When one has an agenda, no amount of facts can be convincing.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:15 pm

Meanwhile DGCA has given the all clear to the two pilots involved in the incident.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 3:56 pm

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adi00654 wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
When one has an agenda, no amount of facts can be convincing.

When one has an agenda and is living off benefits with lots of free time on hand in some remote corner of the third rock from the Sun he is unlikely to see the truth.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 5:53 pm

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blrsea wrote:
adi00654 wrote:

When one has an agenda and is living off benefits with lots of free time on hand in some remote corner of the third rock from the Sun he is unlikely to see the truth.


This comes from the defender of the status quo on Air India because it is “Oh, so hard, to sell Air India and that is the truth “ and therefore no one should ever try ever to sell it...... so it can continue to milk the taxpayer dry..
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:00 pm

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The message it is sending that it means business now.....df


Oh brother; isn’t this the same DGCA that declared that “3 SpiceJet flight attendants shaking their hands and legs in the aisle of the plane to mimic a holi dance affects the “center of gravity of a Boeing 737 plane”?
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:02 pm

edealinfo wrote:
BrooklyBOMgal wrote:
blrsea wrote:

When one has an agenda and is living off benefits with lots of free time on hand in some remote corner of the third rock from the Sun he is unlikely to see the truth.


This comes from the defender of the status quo on Air India because it is “Oh, so hard, to sell Air India and that is the truth “ and therefore no one should ever try ever to sell it...... so it can continue to milk the taxpayer dry..



I am sorry u are only having one agenda is to criticise and mock down anything related to India and Indian aviation.Kindly apply brakes on your rants
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:04 pm

CPS001 wrote:
ANA schedule for NRT-MAA effective 27th October:

NH 825 NRT1110 - 1745MAA 788 357
NH 826 MAA2030 - 0725(+1)NRT 788 357

169 seater B788 to operate. Bookings open on July 24th.


Let’s wish for it’s flying success. It should be perfect for those on the US West Coast( except SFO to which it doesn’t connect) who are willing to pay a small premium for an improved economy class.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:08 pm

adi00654 wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
BrooklyBOMgal wrote:
When one has an agenda and is living off benefits with lots of free time on hand in some remote corner of the third rock from the Sun he is unlikely to see the truth.


This comes from the defender of the status quo on Air India because it is “Oh, so hard, to sell Air India and that is the truth “ and therefore no one should ever try ever to sell it...... so it can continue to milk the taxpayer dry..



I am sorry u are only having one agenda is to criticise and mock down anything related to India and Indian aviation.Kindly apply brakes on your rants


I like to call things out as they are and not pretend everything is rosy rosy. At times it comes across as mocking and definitely sarcastic. sorry, sarcasm runs in my blood. I intend for it to be constructive criticism but agree it may not be perceived as such.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:16 pm

edealinfo wrote:
adi00654 wrote:

The message it is sending that it means business now.....df


Oh brother; isn’t this the same DGCA that declared that “3 SpiceJet flight attendants shaking their hands and legs in the aisle of the plane to mimic a holi dance affects the “center of gravity of a Boeing 737 plane”?


Again you are trolling DGCA without knowing the fact on what reason DGCA had issued notice regarding Holi dance in 2014.
Why dont u take piece of time and google for the actual reason.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:21 pm

Criticism and mockery of airlines like AI & SG are very relevant and needed (to bring awareness), considering the amount of cr*p that happens at those two airlines in various ways. One should go on Twitter and see what their fliers post with pic/video proof of the happenings at those airlines almost on a daily basis, especially SG of late. Ofcourse SG/AI fanboys (& fangirls) will be offended at such noise made.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:26 pm

edealinfo wrote:
adi00654 wrote:
edealinfo wrote:

This comes from the defender of the status quo on Air India because it is “Oh, so hard, to sell Air India and that is the truth “ and therefore no one should ever try ever to sell it...... so it can continue to milk the taxpayer dry..



I am sorry u are only having one agenda is to criticise and mock down anything related to India and Indian aviation.Kindly apply brakes on your rants


I like to call things out as they are and not pretend everything is rosy rosy. At times it comes across as mocking and definitely sarcastic. sorry, sarcasm runs in my blood. I intend for it to be constructive criticism but agree it may not be perceived as such.



Let the sarcasm flow in your blood high but have limit to yourself and don't spit venom on India or Dgca.Digging out things against DGCA just by searching some things negative about it on internet won't help you.I request you to look due diligence into the matter and then put forward.
Constructive criticism has both positive and negative feedbacks but I m sorry in your case it's ain't applicable coz it's always the negative one and for wrong reasons.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:30 pm

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Criticism and mockery of airlines like AI & SG are very relevant and needed (to bring awareness), considering the amount of cr*p that happens at those two airlines in various ways. One should go on Twitter and see what their fliers post with pic/video proof of the happenings at those airlines almost on a daily basis, especially SG of late. Ofcourse SG/AI fanboys (& fangirls) will be offended at such noise made.


AFAIK nobody is offended on criticism and mockery of AI/SG..but making constant criticism on India and DGCA it's policies etc is not correct without taking things into consideration .
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:22 pm

adi00654 wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
adi00654 wrote:

The message it is sending that it means business now.....df


Oh brother; isn’t this the same DGCA that declared that “3 SpiceJet flight attendants shaking their hands and legs in the aisle of the plane to mimic a holi dance affects the “center of gravity of a Boeing 737 plane”?


Again you are trolling DGCA without knowing the fact on what reason DGCA had issued notice regarding Holi dance in 2014.
Why dont u take piece of time and google for the actual reason.

Google it yourself. DGCA first came out with the “center of gravity” reasoning (run those search words) and once they were thoroughly mocked across the media and internet did they change their story and come up with an excuse. Heck, recently even the Indian Army claimed it had seen footprints of the yeti. Yes, the Indian army! Yeti and this is in the 21st century! You don’t want people to mock what’s clearly ridiculous? or do you want to live in an environment where ridiculousness is the norm because no one challenges it?
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 7:30 pm

adi00654 wrote:
avier wrote:
Criticism and mockery of airlines like AI & SG are very relevant and needed (to bring awareness), considering the amount of cr*p that happens at those two airlines in various ways. One should go on Twitter and see what their fliers post with pic/video proof of the happenings at those airlines almost on a daily basis, especially SG of late. Ofcourse SG/AI fanboys (& fangirls) will be offended at such noise made.


AFAIK nobody is offended on criticism and mockery of AI/SG..but making constant criticism on India and DGCA it's policies etc is not correct without taking things into consideration .


The 5/20 and subsequent 0/20 rule/policy is plainly stupid. Why can’t one criticize stupid Government policy?
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:11 pm

adi00654 wrote:
avier wrote:
Criticism and mockery of airlines like AI & SG are very relevant and needed (to bring awareness), considering the amount of cr*p that happens at those two airlines in various ways. One should go on Twitter and see what their fliers post with pic/video proof of the happenings at those airlines almost on a daily basis, especially SG of late. Ofcourse SG/AI fanboys (& fangirls) will be offended at such noise made.


AFAIK nobody is offended on criticism and mockery of AI/SG..but making constant criticism on India and DGCA it's policies etc is not correct without taking things into consideration .


Why not point out where he is wrong rather than trying to stifle discussion. Some people are bullish on things some are negative. People here are mature enough to see any slants. Censorship should not be the solution though. IMHO when looking at Indian aviation today, there are more things that come under "comedy of errors" then "great aviation" - which is sad and should hopefully change.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:29 pm

“Jet Airways revival hopes all but over with claims totalling ₹24,887 crore”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livemi ... 74785.html
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:40 pm

GoAir expands network, announces multiple new domestic and international flights


In one of the links below, GO claims that it studies show that 25 percent of millennials wish to travel to an exotic foreign destination.

I think that “exotic” is probably the author’s terminology so as to distinguish Middle East destinations (other than Dubai) from their other destinations.

In a report elsewhere, I had read that GO aspired to fly to Phuket from 10 Indian destinations.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economic ... 80468.cmsw


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thewee ... t.amp.html
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:55 pm

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“Jet Airways revival hopes all but over with claims totalling ₹24,887 crore”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livemi ... 74785.html


This article really doesn't make sense. The other articles I have read focus on just buying the Jet assets, which include slots and intangible assets, and not taking over Jet's debt. The process to save Jet ended. The full purpose of the iBC is to be able to buy assets free of debt. Again things don't make sense. Leave aside Jet for a moment, India desperately needs a proper bankruptcy code. Without one, most of the capital infused into companies will be lost if it goes bankrupt. There would be no way to save most of it. What a waste to a country's economy. Ideally, vistas, Spice etc should be able to buy what is left of Jet (including slots - obviously following the rules and having the planes to use them) and move on. Let Jet die but not its infrastructure.
 
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:54 pm

CaliguyNYC wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
“Jet Airways revival hopes all but over with claims totalling ₹24,887 crore”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livemi ... 74785.html


This article really doesn't make sense. The other articles I have read focus on just buying the Jet assets, which include slots and intangible assets, and not taking over Jet's debt. The process to save Jet ended. The full purpose of the iBC is to be able to buy assets free of debt. Again things don't make sense. Leave aside Jet for a moment, India desperately needs a proper bankruptcy code. Without one, most of the capital infused into companies will be lost if it goes bankrupt. There would be no way to save most of it. What a waste to a country's economy. Ideally, vistas, Spice etc should be able to buy what is left of Jet (including slots - obviously following the rules and having the planes to use them) and move on. Let Jet die but not its infrastructure.

The way I understand it (and I could be wrong) is that in India’s bankruptcy proceedings (NCLAT) an attempt must first be made for “the company” to be sold and if that doesn’t happen, which is the most likely case.....then it would be “liquidation” which I presume is the formal phase for just disposing the assets.

So, even though an attempt to sell Jet failed only a month ago, another formal attempt will have to be made As part of NCLAT. I am sure that in drafting the law, the intent was noble but from a practical standpoint it another bureaucratic hurdle.
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Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:59 pm

With JL flying Bangalore (BLR) to Tokyo Narita (NRT), I personally believe ANA should be flying to Bangalore too (tons of connecting traffic to North America). BLR is more profitable than Hyderabad they are launching 3x weekly.
 
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x1234 wrote:
With JL flying Bangalore (BLR) to Tokyo Narita (NRT), I personally believe ANA should be flying to Bangalore too (tons of connecting traffic to North America). BLR is more profitable than Hyderabad they are launching 3x weekly.



WOW.... I didn’t know ANA was also starting 3X weekly to HYD. Perhaps, it is better strategically? At BLR, they have competition on the US route from European carriers plus JAL. At HYD, the European and JAL competition is eliminated and they can hog the traffic from Amazon, et al, that have offices in HYD. Madras is also better than having to compete with JAL at BLR. If JAL hadn’t started BLR then it would have been a different matter.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:12 pm

x1234 wrote:
With JL flying Bangalore (BLR) to Tokyo Narita (NRT), I personally believe ANA should be flying to Bangalore too (tons of connecting traffic to North America). BLR is more profitable than Hyderabad they are launching 3x weekly.



WOW.... I didn’t know ANA was also starting 3X weekly to HYD. Perhaps, it is better strategically? At BLR, they have competition on the US route from European carriers plus JAL. At HYD, the European and JAL competition is eliminated and they can hog the traffic from Amazon, et al, that have offices in HYD. Madras is also better than having to compete with JAL at BLR. If JAL hadn’t started BLR then it would have been a different matter.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:24 am

According to the New York Times, Pak airspace was opened as a goodwill gesture by Pakistan before Imran Khan sits down with Trump next week. The ban was impacting American airline on long haul flights.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:28 am

edealinfo wrote:
x1234 wrote:
With JL flying Bangalore (BLR) to Tokyo Narita (NRT), I personally believe ANA should be flying to Bangalore too (tons of connecting traffic to North America). BLR is more profitable than Hyderabad they are launching 3x weekly.



WOW.... I didn’t know ANA was also starting 3X weekly to HYD. Perhaps, it is better strategically? At BLR, they have competition on the US route from European carriers plus JAL. At HYD, the European and JAL competition is eliminated and they can hog the traffic from Amazon, et al, that have offices in HYD. Madras is also better than having to compete with JAL at BLR. If JAL hadn’t started BLR then it would have been a different matter.


They are not. They only said they "expect to source" traffic from BLR and HYD in addition to Chennai.

From the ANA website:
Narita = Chennai
Starting in winter 2019, ANA will begin to operate flights from Narita to Chennai, India, marking the first direct connection between Japan and Chennai. This will be the third destination in India that ANA will offer service to.
- India sends many visitors to Japan, and demand for travel to the country is increasing annually as economic growth continues. ANA intends to capitalize on this growth by opening the only direct flight from Japan to South India.
- Chennai has the second largest port in India and has an established automobile industry. Chennai is also called the "Detroit of India," so cargo demand can be anticipated in addition to passenger demand.
- In addition, ANA will acquire travel demand from neighboring areas including Bengaluru (Bangalore) and Hyderabad, which are growing rapidly as the base of the Indian IT industry.


edealinfo wrote:
Let’s wish for it’s flying success. It should be perfect for those on the US West Coast( except SFO to which it doesn’t connect) who are willing to pay a small premium for an improved economy class.

A quick google of ANA's schedule indicates that the only flight it "connects to" in NA is IAD. Their IAD flight leaves at 11:00 AM in the morning, all their other flights leave at 4:00 PM - 6:00 PM window.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:42 am

VTORD wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
x1234 wrote:
With JL flying Bangalore (BLR) to Tokyo Narita (NRT), I personally believe ANA should be flying to Bangalore too (tons of connecting traffic to North America). BLR is more profitable than Hyderabad they are launching 3x weekly.



WOW.... I didn’t know ANA was also starting 3X weekly to HYD. Perhaps, it is better strategically? At BLR, they have competition on the US route from European carriers plus JAL. At HYD, the European and JAL competition is eliminated and they can hog the traffic from Amazon, et al, that have offices in HYD. Madras is also better than having to compete with JAL at BLR. If JAL hadn’t started BLR then it would have been a different matter.


They are not. They only said they "expect to source" traffic from BLR and HYD in addition to Chennai.

From the ANA website:
Narita = Chennai
Starting in winter 2019, ANA will begin to operate flights from Narita to Chennai, India, marking the first direct connection between Japan and Chennai. This will be the third destination in India that ANA will offer service to.
- India sends many visitors to Japan, and demand for travel to the country is increasing annually as economic growth continues. ANA intends to capitalize on this growth by opening the only direct flight from Japan to South India.
- Chennai has the second largest port in India and has an established automobile industry. Chennai is also called the "Detroit of India," so cargo demand can be anticipated in addition to passenger demand.
- In addition, ANA will acquire travel demand from neighboring areas including Bengaluru (Bangalore) and Hyderabad, which are growing rapidly as the base of the Indian IT industry.


edealinfo wrote:
Let’s wish for it’s flying success. It should be perfect for those on the US West Coast( except SFO to which it doesn’t connect) who are willing to pay a small premium for an improved economy class.

A quick google of ANA's schedule indicates that the only flight it "connects to" in NA is IAD. Their IAD flight leaves at 11:00 AM in the morning, all their other flights leave at 4:00 PM - 6:00 PM window.

Which airport did you check for connections.... Haneda or Narita. This flight I believe goes to Haneda not Narita
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:47 am

edealinfo wrote:
According to the New York Times, Pak airspace was opened as a goodwill gesture by Pakistan before Imran Khan sits down with Trump next week. The ban was impacting American airline on long haul flights.


I had a feeling it would be America or the EU that helped get the Pak airspace opened. With the Persian Gulf & Iran area entering a time of tension, having PAK airspace closed for no reason was a real pain. I bet the US govt has been asking Pak to open airspace.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 19, 2019 12:55 am

^^ @edealinfo,
Do you read before responding? I have posted an excerpt directly from ANA's website which clearly spells out Narita as the airport as does the poster who posted the schedule.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:00 am

 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 19, 2019 1:13 am

to some who had been questioning Indian Bankruptcy process, judicial system surrounding it and the legislative process and continuing on my last post that some wrinkles will be ironed out......see this .......https://youtu.be/3fV2p5Zc-a8 {Note- I have no affiliation with this news outlet neither i like them, Further they are considered to anti-ruling party (specially the anchor speaking). But the analysis is very good.}.. I hope with this all discussions will formally end on the IBC law as such. Judicial rulings are unique in every aspect. I expect certain "extremely and not so extremely critical commentators" to watch the entire length of this video before commenting on it.

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