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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:54 pm

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CCU has the 'potential' to surpass even MAA and BLR in overall pax numbers, but never in terms of J pax. Not for the foreseeable future at least.


Thanks for your very informative post with good reasoning. I guess this means CCU is now fertile ground for seeding LCC operations which is why there has been a spike in flights announced from CCU by Indigo and Air Asia India.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:35 pm

New airport to be constructed specifically for Moody's pet project: The Statue of Unity

https://www.financialexpress.com/infras ... e/1593154/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:45 pm

Updated for 3rd daily BOM - LHR flight on BA staring March 2020

Capacity LOST (Jet):
BOM - to LHR (3 daily flights)
DEL to LHR (1 daily flight)
BOM - AMS (1 daily flight)
BOM - CDG (1 daily flight)
DEL - AMS (1 daily flight)
BLR - AMS (5X weekly)
MAA - CDG (5X weekly)

CAPACITY GAINED - NEW Frequency/Flights

LHR - BOM (Virgin 1 daily)
LHR - BOM (British Airways 1 daily -- additional 4X weekly summer 2019 + 3X weekly from March 2020 )
AMS - BLR (KLM 3X weekly)
AMS - BOM (KLM additional 3X weekly?)
JFK - BOM (Delta 1X daily)
MAA- Japan - USA (ANA 1X daily)
BLR- Japan - USA (JAL 1X daily, next year)

CAPACITY GAINED - ADDITIONAL SEATS
CDG - BOM (Air France, how many additional seats?)
CDG - DEL (Air France, how many additional seats?)
AMS - BOM (KLM, how many additional seats[excluding the 3X new frequencies]?)
AMS - DEL (KLM, how many additional seats?)
LHR - BLR (British Airways, how many additional seats?)
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:04 pm

edealinfo wrote:

CAPACITY GAINED - NEW Frequency/Flights

MAA- Japan - USA (ANA 1X daily)
BLR- Japan - USA (JAL 1X daily, next year)


Have you intentionally added the Tokyo flights, even though they were not announced as a result of Jet's collapse? If so, you should add BLR-SIN under Capacity Gained - Additional Seats from the takeover of the Scoot flight on the route by Singapore Airlines, which also provides seats to the US by your logic.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:51 pm

CPS001 wrote:
edealinfo wrote:

CAPACITY GAINED - NEW Frequency/Flights

MAA- Japan - USA (ANA 1X daily)
BLR- Japan - USA (JAL 1X daily, next year)


Have you intentionally added the Tokyo flights, even though they were not announced as a result of Jet's collapse? If so, you should add BLR-SIN under Capacity Gained - Additional Seats from the takeover of the Scoot flight on the route by Singapore Airlines, which also provides seats to the US by your logic.


1. No flight of Scott arrives in the US.

2. More persons on the JAL and the ANA flight will proceed on to the US than those whose destination is Japan only.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Thu Jul 04, 2019 8:25 pm

Air India from mid-September 2019 is re-organizing its network in East Asia, including the cancellation of 5th freedom rights beyond Hong Kong.

Delhi – Hong Kong – Osaka Kansai eff 17SEP19 3 weekly Hong Kong – Osaka Kansai sector cancelled
Delhi – Hong Kong – Seoul Incheon eff 18SEP19 4 weekly Hong Kong – Seoul Incheon sector cancelled
Delhi – Hong Kong eff 18SEP19 7 weekly service remains unchanged, however Hong Kong departure moves to morning hours instead of evening
AI314 DEL2305 – 0650+1HKG 788 135
AI310 DEL2305 – 0650+1HKG 788 x135

AI315 HKG0805 – 1130DEL 788 246
AI317 HKG0805 – 1130DEL 788 x246

Delhi – Seoul Incheon eff 19SEP19 New 4 weekly non-stop service, replacing 1-stop via Hong Kong
AI312 DEL0020 – 0950ICN 788 x357
AI313 ICN1205 – 1635DEL 788 x357

Mumbai – Hong Kong eff 19SEP19 New nonstop service, 1 daily
AI316 BOM0835 – 1650HKG 788 D
AI311 HKG1805 – 0115+1BOM 788 D

All changes listed above is listed until 27OCT19. Hong Kong – Osaka Kansai and Hong Kong – Seoul Incheon sector is closed for reservation on/after 28OCT19.

Separately, the airline further delayed planned service resumption of 2nd daily Delhi – Singapore AI382/383 service, now scheduled from 01OCT19, instead of 01JUL19. A321 operates this flight.

Air India further delays Mumbai – Colombo launch to 20SEP19, instead of 01JUL19

source: routesonline.com
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:54 pm

killswitch13 wrote:
Air India from mid-September 2019 is re-organizing its network in East Asia, including the cancellation of 5th freedom rights beyond Hong Kong.

Delhi – Hong Kong – Osaka Kansai eff 17SEP19 3 weekly Hong Kong – Osaka Kansai sector cancelled
Delhi – Hong Kong – Seoul Incheon eff 18SEP19 4 weekly Hong Kong – Seoul Incheon sector cancelled
Delhi – Hong Kong eff 18SEP19 7 weekly service remains unchanged, however Hong Kong departure moves to morning hours instead of evening
AI314 DEL2305 – 0650+1HKG 788 135
AI310 DEL2305 – 0650+1HKG 788 x135

AI315 HKG0805 – 1130DEL 788 246
AI317 HKG0805 – 1130DEL 788 x246

Delhi – Seoul Incheon eff 19SEP19 New 4 weekly non-stop service, replacing 1-stop via Hong Kong
AI312 DEL0020 – 0950ICN 788 x357
AI313 ICN1205 – 1635DEL 788 x357

Mumbai – Hong Kong eff 19SEP19 New nonstop service, 1 daily
AI316 BOM0835 – 1650HKG 788 D
AI311 HKG1805 – 0115+1BOM 788 D

All changes listed above is listed until 27OCT19. Hong Kong – Osaka Kansai and Hong Kong – Seoul Incheon sector is closed for reservation on/after 28OCT19.

Separately, the airline further delayed planned service resumption of 2nd daily Delhi – Singapore AI382/383 service, now scheduled from 01OCT19, instead of 01JUL19. A321 operates this flight.

Air India further delays Mumbai – Colombo launch to 20SEP19, instead of 01JUL19

source: routesonline.com


Seems like the cancelled Osaka and made Seoul Incheon a direct flight. And added more direct Hong Kong service. Makes total sense to me and I am not being sarcastic.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:28 am

edealinfo wrote:
CPS001 wrote:

Have you intentionally added the Tokyo flights, even though they were not announced as a result of Jet's collapse? If so, you should add BLR-SIN under Capacity Gained - Additional Seats from the takeover of the Scoot flight on the route by Singapore Airlines, which also provides seats to the US by your logic.


1. No flight of Scott arrives in the US.

2. More persons on the JAL and the ANA flight will proceed on to the US than those whose destination is Japan only.


1. It's SCOOT not "Scott"!
What s/he means is that since SQ has taken over the Scoot flight from BLR to SIN and will provide seats on to the US, it should qualify as added capacity compared to earlier (if you assume that pax on Scoot does not transfer to SQ for onwards nor fly themselves to the US).

2. You don't know that for sure. Yes it provides another option on to NA but given that TATL would still provide more options than TPAC, that remains to be seen. Also NH/JL will provide additional options to Oz/NZ.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:04 am

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[. Also NH/JL will provide additional options to Oz/NZ.


Respectfully, this make no sense. Why would some fly north east all the way to Japan and then fly south? Massive detour.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:03 am

edealinfo wrote:
CPS001 wrote:
edealinfo wrote:

CAPACITY GAINED - NEW Frequency/Flights

MAA- Japan - USA (ANA 1X daily)
BLR- Japan - USA (JAL 1X daily, next year)


Have you intentionally added the Tokyo flights, even though they were not announced as a result of Jet's collapse? If so, you should add BLR-SIN under Capacity Gained - Additional Seats from the takeover of the Scoot flight on the route by Singapore Airlines, which also provides seats to the US by your logic.


1. No flight of Scott arrives in the US.

2. More persons on the JAL and the ANA flight will proceed on to the US than those whose destination is Japan only.
1. As VTORD mentioned, seats were added when SQ took over Scoot's flight since Scoot offered 0 seats to the US, as you said, and SQ offers hundreds.

To add to this, CCU-SIN was upgauged from an A330 to an A350, and probably MAA will soon get upgauged too (in fact SQ is taking over the Scoot flight to MAA too, next summer), so all these ought to go on your list.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:18 am

killswitch13 wrote:
Mumbai – Hong Kong eff 19SEP19 New nonstop service, 1 daily
AI316 BOM0835 – 1650HKG 788 D
AI311 HKG1805 – 0115+1BOM 788 D

Interesting add. And finally they entered this market. So that's two new flights, with SG also flying on this route soon. Only downside, both are crappy options for the premium pax.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:35 am

Jet Airways grounded, Air France-KLM seeks new ally

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 081428.cms
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 5:25 am

SQ are replacing all of their A330s and 777-200s with 787-10 and A350 regional, so eventually all widebody services would get seat increase.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:25 am

Now Indigo experiences a hard landing:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-ne ... zWy9N.html
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:27 am

IndiGo axes Vijayawada-Singapore flight despite 80% occupancy .This goes to show how much viability gap funding meant to the route. Having said that, I would question the policy on whether the taxpayer should subsidize the costs of an international trip.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 079109.cms
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:30 am

This report predicts that one more airline is likely to fail in 2020. Which is the prime candidate. Surely it can;t be Air India because politically it can't just be shut. So which other airline could it be?

https://www.businesstoday.in/union-budg ... 61032.html
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:32 am

Aviation Minister blames the rains on SpiceJet related incidents

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/spi ... 58386.html
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:37 am

Star Air Records the Best On-Time Performance (OTP) for a Startup Airline in the Indian Aviation Industry

https://www.eturbonews.com/257222/start ... -industry/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:39 am

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Aviation Minister blames the rains on SpiceJet related incidents

Blame the rain, then they'll go on to blame the ghost of Jet Airways haunting them and creating havoc.

The show cause notice, is more for "show" sake to give the impression that they taking action against Spice and that they have a fair treatment towards all airlines. When in reality, it obviously isn't. Behind the scenes they'll just pass this off. I'm sure if this was some other airline, apart from AI, they would have taken a harsher decision.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:00 am

Gaping holes in SpiceJet safety culture being discovered by DGCA:

"The audit team of the DGCA went to audit the airline on July 3. They have given a report stating that four persons -- Chief of Flight Safety, Chief of Operations, Chief of Training and Accountable Executive -- have been found to be breaching safety standards," a source told PTI.
In its notice to the airline's operations chief Suri, the DGCA has said that in majority of the cases that required corrective training or action, the involved crew "has been given counselling".

The special audit team of Directorate General of Civil Aviation or DGCA also found that the Deputy Chief of Training of the airline has counselled the involved crew "telephonically" even for the "events" where "corrective training" was required.

In its show cause notice to the company's training chief Sawhney, the DGCA stated that he "has not undergone Safety Management System training".

The notice said, "Head of Training has not constituted any SAG (Safety Action Group) within the department to discuss and resolve critical safety issues concerning training."

It added that Vishal Sawhney or his deputy has not attended any SRB (Safety Review Board) meeting although they were duly notified by the company's flight safety chief Grewal.

In an airline, the SRB has to make sure that appropriate resources are provided to achieve the established safety performance. The SRB also gives strategic direction to the Safety Action Group (SAG).

In its notice to GPS Grewal, the DGCA stated that he did not ensure implementation of "Safety Management System" in flight crew training department.

The notice said that GPS Grewal's department "failed to report" the "occurrences" or incidents to the DGCA, as is mandatory under the regulator's rules.


https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/notice- ... on-2064361
 
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Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:07 am

anshabhi wrote:
Gaping holes in SpiceJet safety culture being discovered by DGCA:

"The audit team of the DGCA went to audit the airline on July 3. They have given a report stating that four persons -- Chief of Flight Safety, Chief of Operations, Chief of Training and Accountable Executive -- have been found to be breaching safety standards," a source told PTI.
In its notice to the airline's operations chief Suri, the DGCA has said that in majority of the cases that required corrective training or action, the involved crew "has been given counselling".

The special audit team of Directorate General of Civil Aviation or DGCA also found that the Deputy Chief of Training of the airline has counselled the involved crew "telephonically" even for the "events" where "corrective training" was required.

In its show cause notice to the company's training chief Sawhney, the DGCA stated that he "has not undergone Safety Management System training".

The notice said, "Head of Training has not constituted any SAG (Safety Action Group) within the department to discuss and resolve critical safety issues concerning training."

It added that Vishal Sawhney or his deputy has not attended any SRB (Safety Review Board) meeting although they were duly notified by the company's flight safety chief Grewal.

In an airline, the SRB has to make sure that appropriate resources are provided to achieve the established safety performance. The SRB also gives strategic direction to the Safety Action Group (SAG).

In its notice to GPS Grewal, the DGCA stated that he did not ensure implementation of "Safety Management System" in flight crew training department.

The notice said that GPS Grewal's department "failed to report" the "occurrences" or incidents to the DGCA, as is mandatory under the regulator's rules.


https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/notice- ... on-2064361


How come all these violations are ONLY uncovered AFTER 3 SpiceJet incidents in just as many days? Here's my hypothesis. The DGCA was severely embarrassed by the SpicJet plane getting stuck at Mumbai airport with images splashed on TV screens. All fingers were pointing to DGCA. They needed to redirect those fingers and realized it had to be SpiceJet so they bit the bullet and audited SpiceJet with the intent on finding some fault or the other (they had to!). I am not saying that SpiceJet is innocent -- just saying that this is DGCA's smokescreen to divert attention from themselves.

Here is another such case. The Government orders a "probe" into Jet Airways 25 years LATER....and 3 months AFTER the airline was grounded and declared bankrupt. Go figure!

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 040_1.html
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:28 am

edealinfo wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
Gaping holes in SpiceJet safety culture being discovered by DGCA:

"The audit team of the DGCA went to audit the airline on July 3. They have given a report stating that four persons -- Chief of Flight Safety, Chief of Operations, Chief of Training and Accountable Executive -- have been found to be breaching safety standards," a source told PTI.
In its notice to the airline's operations chief Suri, the DGCA has said that in majority of the cases that required corrective training or action, the involved crew "has been given counselling".

The special audit team of Directorate General of Civil Aviation or DGCA also found that the Deputy Chief of Training of the airline has counselled the involved crew "telephonically" even for the "events" where "corrective training" was required.

In its show cause notice to the company's training chief Sawhney, the DGCA stated that he "has not undergone Safety Management System training".

The notice said, "Head of Training has not constituted any SAG (Safety Action Group) within the department to discuss and resolve critical safety issues concerning training."

It added that Vishal Sawhney or his deputy has not attended any SRB (Safety Review Board) meeting although they were duly notified by the company's flight safety chief Grewal.

In an airline, the SRB has to make sure that appropriate resources are provided to achieve the established safety performance. The SRB also gives strategic direction to the Safety Action Group (SAG).

In its notice to GPS Grewal, the DGCA stated that he did not ensure implementation of "Safety Management System" in flight crew training department.

The notice said that GPS Grewal's department "failed to report" the "occurrences" or incidents to the DGCA, as is mandatory under the regulator's rules.


https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/notice- ... on-2064361


How come all these violations are ONLY uncovered AFTER 3 SpiceJet incidents in just as many days? Here's my hypothesis. The DGCA was severely embarrassed by the SpicJet plane getting stuck at Mumbai airport with images splashed on TV screens. All fingers were pointing to DGCA. They needed to redirect those fingers and realized it had to be SpiceJet so they bit the bullet and audited SpiceJet with the intent on finding some fault or the other (they had to!). I am not saying that SpiceJet is innocent -- just saying that this is DGCA's smokescreen to divert attention from themselves.

Here is another such case. The Government orders a "probe" into Jet Airways 25 years LATER....and 3 months AFTER the airline was grounded and declared bankrupt. Go figure!

https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 040_1.html


Initiatives taken by SG, starting from UDAN to "SpiceJet to operate 148 special Haj flights from Srinagar" could explain such behavior of DGCA:
https://www.cnbctv18.com/aviation/spice ... 883771.htm

Whatever, in any case intl agencies shouldn't tolerate such behavior. India deserves a rating downgrade if DGCA is collating with airlines in risking safety.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:24 am

avier wrote:
killswitch13 wrote:
Mumbai – Hong Kong eff 19SEP19 New nonstop service, 1 daily
AI316 BOM0835 – 1650HKG 788 D
AI311 HKG1805 – 0115+1BOM 788 D

Interesting add. And finally they entered this market. So that's two new flights, with SG also flying on this route soon. Only downside, both are crappy options for the premium pax.


AI might not be like as good as CX but much better than the other flying coffin.


anshabhi wrote:
Gaping holes in SpiceJet safety culture being discovered by DGCA:

"The audit team of the DGCA went to audit the airline on July 3. They have given a report stating that four persons -- Chief of Flight Safety, Chief of Operations, Chief of Training and Accountable Executive -- have been found to be breaching safety standards," a source told PTI.
In its notice to the airline's operations chief Suri, the DGCA has said that in majority of the cases that required corrective training or action, the involved crew "has been given counselling".

The special audit team of Directorate General of Civil Aviation or DGCA also found that the Deputy Chief of Training of the airline has counselled the involved crew "telephonically" even for the "events" where "corrective training" was required.

In its show cause notice to the company's training chief Sawhney, the DGCA stated that he "has not undergone Safety Management System training".

The notice said, "Head of Training has not constituted any SAG (Safety Action Group) within the department to discuss and resolve critical safety issues concerning training."

It added that Vishal Sawhney or his deputy has not attended any SRB (Safety Review Board) meeting although they were duly notified by the company's flight safety chief Grewal.

In an airline, the SRB has to make sure that appropriate resources are provided to achieve the established safety performance. The SRB also gives strategic direction to the Safety Action Group (SAG).

In its notice to GPS Grewal, the DGCA stated that he did not ensure implementation of "Safety Management System" in flight crew training department.

The notice said that GPS Grewal's department "failed to report" the "occurrences" or incidents to the DGCA, as is mandatory under the regulator's rules.


https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/notice- ... on-2064361


I hope all Indian travellers read this. Safety comes much before anything else.

edealinfo wrote:
IndiGo axes Vijayawada-Singapore flight despite 80% occupancy .This goes to show how much viability gap funding meant to the route. Having said that, I would question the policy on whether the taxpayer should subsidize the costs of an international trip.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cit ... 079109.cms


Well let AI mainline be privatised and then let Alliance Air fly such routes. No private airline please.
We can have a small govt owned airline catering to tier 2 cities for better connectivity.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:08 am

killswitch13 wrote:
Air India from mid-September 2019 is re-organizing its network in East Asia, including the cancellation of 5th freedom rights beyond Hong Kong.

Delhi – Hong Kong – Osaka Kansai eff 17SEP19 3 weekly Hong Kong – Osaka Kansai sector cancelled
Delhi – Hong Kong – Seoul Incheon eff 18SEP19 4 weekly Hong Kong – Seoul Incheon sector cancelled
Delhi – Hong Kong eff 18SEP19 7 weekly service remains unchanged, however Hong Kong departure moves to morning hours instead of evening
AI314 DEL2305 – 0650+1HKG 788 135
AI310 DEL2305 – 0650+1HKG 788 x135

AI315 HKG0805 – 1130DEL 788 246
AI317 HKG0805 – 1130DEL 788 x246

Delhi – Seoul Incheon eff 19SEP19 New 4 weekly non-stop service, replacing 1-stop via Hong Kong
AI312 DEL0020 – 0950ICN 788 x357
AI313 ICN1205 – 1635DEL 788 x357

Mumbai – Hong Kong eff 19SEP19 New nonstop service, 1 daily
AI316 BOM0835 – 1650HKG 788 D
AI311 HKG1805 – 0115+1BOM 788 D

All changes listed above is listed until 27OCT19. Hong Kong – Osaka Kansai and Hong Kong – Seoul Incheon sector is closed for reservation on/after 28OCT19.

Separately, the airline further delayed planned service resumption of 2nd daily Delhi – Singapore AI382/383 service, now scheduled from 01OCT19, instead of 01JUL19. A321 operates this flight.

Air India further delays Mumbai – Colombo launch to 20SEP19, instead of 01JUL19

source: routesonline.com


Well, there goes another fifth freedom route.

On the other hand, I was surprise it took AI this long to axe the route. The flight is well known in HK as a “savior” for those trying to find a cheaper seats to ICN or KIX ex-HKG but can’t, especially during holidays.

With the new BOM-HKG, I am guessing that AI310/314 (and v.v.) will no longer start in BOM? The flight is currently route BOM-DEL-HKG-KIX/ICN.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:04 pm

edealinfo wrote:
VTORD wrote:
[. Also NH/JL will provide additional options to Oz/NZ.


Respectfully, this make no sense. Why would some fly north east all the way to Japan and then fly south? Massive detour.

Fair point....I could be wrong there.

edealinfo wrote:
Having said that, I would question the policy on whether the taxpayer should subsidize the costs of an international trip.


Good question though this quite prevalent elsewhere as well. For e.g., DL's IND-CDG and RDU-CDG are both subsidized (based on # of enplanements) by the respective state governments as was PIT-CDG when it existed but DL made it seasonal once the subsidy ended. In case of both RDU and IND, i think there is a per year and total overall cap in play.

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Jet Airways grounded, Air France-KLM seeks new ally

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 081428.cms

Interesting that the article says, AF planning to deploy the A350 to CDG-BOM. I know they are sending a mix of 772/77W in W19 but this wasn't mentioned anywhere was it?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:52 pm

Now that there is UDAN isn't it time for the Government to get rid of the Route Dispersal Guidelines (RDG)? I mean why do airlines have to use their profits from profitable routes to subsidize unprofitable ones that the Government wants them to run? In my opinion, it is not the role of private companies to subside Government policy.

Below is the Governments RDG:

Route Dispersal Guidelines (RDG)

http://www.civilaviation.gov.in/sites/d ... 16-2_1.pdf

RDG was introduced in 1994 to provide air connectivity to Jammu and Kashmir, North East Region, Andaman& Nicobar Islands, Lakshadweep, Tier-2 and Tier-3 cities, by way of internal cross-subsidy by airlines using their revenues on the Trunk Routes (12 in number). RDG has succeeded in creating connectivity to remote locations. At present, the capacity actually deployed on Category II and III routes is in excess of the RDG threshold, highlighting the business potential in these regions. The following action will be taken to rationalise the RDGs:

a) Category I routes will be rationalised once in five years, by adding more routes based on transparent criteria. The criteria proposed for a Cat I route are a flying distance of more than 700 km, average seat factor of more than 70% and annual traffic of 5 lakh passengers over two full schedules (i.e. summer and winter), based on information available with DGCA. MoCA will endeavour that the rationalization of Cat I routes does not cause undue financial and operational burden on airlines and sufficient time will be provided to them for adjusting their future
schedules, as indicated in (d) below..

b) The traffic to be deployed on Cat II and IIA routes expressed in terms of a percentage of CAT I traffic will remain the same. However, routes to Uttarakhand and Himachal Pradesh will be included in Category II. For CAT III routes, the percentage will be 35% of CAT I traffic in view of the fact that RCS is being implemented for a similar purpose.

c) For the purpose of meeting the RDG requirements, the Scheduled airlines (both Air Transport Operator and Commuter Operator) will be permitted to trade Available Seat kilometres (ASKM) of helicopters and other small aircraft (maximum AUW not exceeding 40 tons) operating under Regional Connectivity Scheme to extend the last mile connectivity seamlessly to under-served or un-served areas.

d) Revised categorization of routes under RDG will apply from the winter schedule of 2017 in order to allow sufficient time to airlines to plan their operations. The review of routes under different categories will be done by MoCA once every 5 years after its first revision in 2016 (effective from the winter schedule of 2017).

e) Withdrawal or revision of domestic operations to and within North East Region, Island territories and Ladakh, subject to full compliance of RDG, can be done under prior intimation to MoCA and DGCA at least three months before the withdrawal or revision of the service.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:04 pm

VTORD wrote:

Interesting that the article says, AF planning to deploy the A350 to CDG-BOM. I know they are sending a mix of 772/77W in W19 but this wasn't mentioned anywhere was it?


From what I have been reading on these forums, it appeared that compared to other European carriers (BA, KLM, Virgin, and Lufthansa), AF treats Indian passengers like dirt (may I overstated it but you get the point). This would also imply that India gets their tired aircraft so, if the A350 is headed to BOM , surely it is a huge upgrade in their hard product, correct? Separately, for those who have traveled on BA, KLM, Virgin, AF and Lufthansa, could you confirm if in your experience, AF is the worst and if so just how bad it is in comparison?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:10 pm

Below is the budget provision for the aviation sector. As you can see, it is ambiguous. And, this is a budget proposal! Go figure!

So, the policy says one can lease from an Indian lessor. So, who is the Indian lessor to begin with? The Government? Air India?

If someone can make heads or tails of what will be done, please let us know.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/budget- ... et-2064918
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:24 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Below is the budget provision for the aviation sector. As you can see, it is ambiguous. And, this is a budget proposal! Go figure!

So, the policy says one can lease from an Indian lessor. So, who is the Indian lessor to begin with? The Government? Air India?

If someone can make heads or tails of what will be done, please let us know.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/budget- ... et-2064918



Ok, some details have started to come out:

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 089026.cms

Other announcement of making India a hub for aircraft leasing is also a work in progress and the civil aviation ministry has a committee with various stakeholders, including airlines, to make Ahmedabad’s GIFT city – a tax free zone – as the hub for aircraft leasing.

The other announcements on the Maintenance Repair and Overhaul (MRO) sector would require tax rebate from the government to ensure that the cost of servicing planes in the country are at par with countries like Sri Lanka and Singapore.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:53 pm

Government allocates a princely sum of Rs 1 lakh to Air India versus Rs 4,500 crore last year

"Significantly, the government has earmarked a royal outlay of Rs 1 lakh for Air India for the current fiscal as it expects to sell the airline this time around. Against this, the aviation ministry has got a budget allocation of Rs 4,500 crore for the year"

I take this as a positive sign as it may mean that the Govt is determined to get rid of AI come what may. What does the Govt know that we don't know on the likelihood of success on a proposed sale???????

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 098154.cms
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sat Jul 06, 2019 12:20 am

India not granting 'points of call' status to any additional airports presently: Govt

Unfortunately, this means that Kannur, Vijayawada, Mangaluru, etc can now kiss their a**s goodbye to foreign carriers.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/india ... 70281.html
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sat Jul 06, 2019 12:23 am

'False Charges, My Point is Vindicated': Mallya After UK High Court Allows Extradition Appeal

He said: "I have always offered to pay it all back, where is the question of fraud. Now, the unthinkable has happened Jet has collapsed. That reflects the fragile state of the aviation industry in India. The government needs to do something about that.

"It is very unfair in India that if a business fails, the promoter is accused of fraud almost automatically. That is not right."

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/india ... 70281.html
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sat Jul 06, 2019 12:27 am

IndiGo awards pilot training contract to New Zealand International Commercial Pilot Academy

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/busin ... 56851.html
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:40 am

Reverser failure, wet runway caused Air India 737 excursion

Crew handled situation perfectly
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ex-459492/

Vijaywada Airport loses several plan services

http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/ ... 99678.html

Excellent analysis of India's budget provisions as it relates to aviation (in at attempt to decipher what was rich in prose and prose and poor on detail)
https://www.bangaloreaviation.com/2019/ ... -2019.html
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:58 pm

edealinfo wrote:
VTORD wrote:

Interesting that the article says, AF planning to deploy the A350 to CDG-BOM. I know they are sending a mix of 772/77W in W19 but this wasn't mentioned anywhere was it?


From what I have been reading on these forums, it appeared that compared to other European carriers (BA, KLM, Virgin, and Lufthansa), AF treats Indian passengers like dirt (may I overstated it but you get the point). This would also imply that India gets their tired aircraft so, if the A350 is headed to BOM , surely it is a huge upgrade in their hard product, correct? Separately, for those who have traveled on BA, KLM, Virgin, AF and Lufthansa, could you confirm if in your experience, AF is the worst and if so just how bad it is in comparison?


The issue is not AF and more France immigration authorities at CDG. Also to be clear it is Indian passport holders that have the issues and not Indians generally. Basically France doesn’t let them leave the airport when there is IRROPS. I wish the Indian govt would work with the EU on this (there has to be some reasonable compromise). How many Indian tourists that have IRROPS caused by the airline would just stay in Paris illegally? I fly AF a lot and the staff is always very nice. CDG is a difficult airport to connect in (relatively speaking). AF had been offering their newest product to BOM and BLR. Then with the Jet partnership, Jet deployed a 77W and AF shifted to Joon (so in a sense Jet kept the premium side). AF will upgrade their BOM and BLR flights. France sends a lot of tourists to Indian and AF connects a lot of people to NA (they have a good network with DL out of CDG). I will say AF has been known to offer weird entire selections between CDG and BOM (like ostrich). But the last few years has been fine.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:52 pm

CaliguyNYC wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
VTORD wrote:

Interesting that the article says, AF planning to deploy the A350 to CDG-BOM. I know they are sending a mix of 772/77W in W19 but this wasn't mentioned anywhere was it?


From what I have been reading on these forums, it appeared that compared to other European carriers (BA, KLM, Virgin, and Lufthansa), AF treats Indian passengers like dirt (may I overstated it but you get the point). This would also imply that India gets their tired aircraft so, if the A350 is headed to BOM , surely it is a huge upgrade in their hard product, correct? Separately, for those who have traveled on BA, KLM, Virgin, AF and Lufthansa, could you confirm if in your experience, AF is the worst and if so just how bad it is in comparison?


The issue is not AF and more France immigration authorities at CDG. Also to be clear it is Indian passport holders that have the issues and not Indians generally. Basically France doesn’t let them leave the airport when there is IRROPS. I wish the Indian govt would work with the EU on this (there has to be some reasonable compromise). How many Indian tourists that have IRROPS caused by the airline would just stay in Paris illegally? I fly AF a lot and the staff is always very nice. CDG is a difficult airport to connect in (relatively speaking). AF had been offering their newest product to BOM and BLR. Then with the Jet partnership, Jet deployed a 77W and AF shifted to Joon (so in a sense Jet kept the premium side). AF will upgrade their BOM and BLR flights. France sends a lot of tourists to Indian and AF connects a lot of people to NA (they have a good network with DL out of CDG). I will say AF has been known to offer weird entire selections between CDG and BOM (like ostrich). But the last few years has been fine.


Thank you for the clarification which is extremely helpful.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:13 pm

GoAir announces seven new international routes, starting July 19th onwards:
Mumbai – Abu Dhabi
Mumbai – Bangkok
Mumbai – Muscat
Delhi – Abu Dhabi
Delhi – Bangkok
Kannur – Dubai
Kannur – Kuwait
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:48 pm

Updated for the 25% increase in KLM-AF capacity as per the link below
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/in ... 114239.cms


Capacity LOST (Jet):
BOM - to LHR (3 daily flights)
DEL to LHR (1 daily flight)
BOM - AMS (1 daily flight)
BOM - CDG (1 daily flight)
DEL - AMS (1 daily flight)
BLR - AMS (5X weekly)
MAA - CDG (5X weekly)

CAPACITY GAINED - NEW Frequency/Flights

CDG - DEL (Air France increases flights from 5X a week to 7X weekly from Winter 2019)
LHR - BOM (Virgin 1 daily)
LHR - BOM (British Airways 1 daily -- additional 4X weekly summer 2019 + 3X weekly from March 2020 )
AMS - BLR (KLM 3X weekly)
AMS - BOM (KLM increases flights from 3X a week to 7X weekly eff Oct 28, 2019)
JFK - BOM (Delta 1X daily)
MAA- Japan - USA (ANA 1X daily)
BLR- Japan - USA (JAL 1X daily, next year)

CAPACITY GAINED - ADDITIONAL SEATS

CDG - BOM (Air France, putting an B777-300 aircraft, which has some 400 seats, instead of the aircraft which has 280 seats)
CDG - BLR (from Airbus A330 to B777 and then to A350 in early 2020)
AMS - BOM (KLM, how many additional seats[excluding the 3X new frequencies]?)
AMS - DEL (KLM, how many additional seats?)
LHR - BLR (British Airways, how many additional seats?)
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:54 pm

avier wrote:
GoAir announces seven new international routes, starting July 19th onwards:
Mumbai – Abu Dhabi
Mumbai – Bangkok
Mumbai – Muscat
Delhi – Abu Dhabi
Delhi – Bangkok
Kannur – Dubai
Kannur – Kuwait


With the earlier announced flight of AUH to Kannur (CNN), this means that GOAir will have 3 daily flights to AUH. With restricted bilaterals to DXB, it looks like they are going for the alternative

CNN- AUH
BOM - AUH
DEL - AUH

It also flies directly from:
CNN - Muscat
CNN - Kuwait
CNN - Dubai

https://www.livemint.com/companies/news ... 43474.html

This means it will have 4 international flights out of CNN:
CNN - Abu Dhabi
CNN - Muscat
CNN - Kuwait
CNN - Dubai
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:54 pm

Delhi Duty Free challenges Dubai Duty Free on pricing.

Nice reading this article. When carriers are imposing fees on cabin baggage beyond a certain weight, it is great to know that you can buy liquor et all at great prices in India itself. Well done, India!

https://www.cnbctv18.com/retail/does-de ... 927341.htm
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:43 pm

Bengaluru bucks the trend, records 13.2% rise in international passenger traffic whereas Mumbai, Chennai, Navi Dilli record double digit percentage decline in traffic.

Read more at:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... 119056.cms?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:45 pm

Rich Indians to the Rescue as Chinese Tourists Shun Thailand

Further, if GoAir keeps up its promises there would be 10 flights a day from India to Phuket. I don't know if this some aspiration goal.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... visits-ebb
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:27 am

At least 2 Spicejet aircraft, Basil and Chilli are being taped up at AMD this morning. Wheels are already enclosed and something is being applied on the wings. There are some cancellations too.
This info is from an office colleague waiting for his Indigo flight.

Edit : typos
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:02 am

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freqflyer wrote:
At least 2 Spicejet aircraft, Basil and Chilli are being taped up at AMD this morning. Wheels are already enclosed and something is being applied on the wings. There are some cancellations too.
This info is from an office colleague waiting for his Indigo flight.

Edit : typos


You missed answering the most important issues

1. Are these B737 or Q400s?

2. Are these ex-Jet Airways aircraft?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:09 pm

edealinfo wrote:
[threeid][/threeid]
freqflyer wrote:
At least 2 Spicejet aircraft, Basil and Chilli are being taped up at AMD this morning. Wheels are already enclosed and something is being applied on the wings. There are some cancellations too.
This info is from an office colleague waiting for his Indigo flight.

Edit : typos


You missed answering the most important issues

1. Are these B737 or Q400s?

2. Are these ex-Jet Airways aircraft?


1. Basil is VT-MXG, a B737 MAX 8. Chilli is VT-SGG, a B737-800.

2. No

BTW, not sure if the freqflyer's info is right. VT-MXG has been grounded for months while VT-SGG appears to be flying as per schedule.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:37 am

Perhaps it wasnt Basil since it was on the flightline. One would possibly expect the Max to be at a remote stand.

Is SGG owned? and the Max's ?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:44 am

avier wrote:
Spicejet will be adding a second daily BOM-DXB flight from August 3, 2019:
SG005 BOM0905 – 1110DXB 737 D
SG006 DXB1210 – 1705BOM 737 D

avier wrote:
GoAir announces seven new international routes, starting July 19th onwards:
Mumbai – Abu Dhabi
Mumbai – Bangkok
Mumbai – Muscat
Delhi – Abu Dhabi
Delhi – Bangkok
Kannur – Dubai
Kannur – Kuwait


IndiGo announces 3rd Daily BOM - DXB effective 25th July 2019. The schedule is as below:
6E 83 BOM - DXB 1230 1405
6E 84 DXB - BOM 1505 2005

Indian LCC's continue to add int'l flights from BOM/DEL mostly, much like what 9W did (a reason small town residents hated the airline for, on here). The big two cities continue to be the most attractive markets for all airlines, be it on domestic or int'l.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:43 pm

avier wrote:
Indian LCC's continue to add int'l flights from BOM/DEL mostly, much like what 9W did (a reason small town residents hated the airline for, on here). The big two cities continue to be the most attractive markets for all airlines, be it on domestic or int'l.

And, it is only going to get worse as the Aviation Minister said that foreign carriers , mainly ME3 carriers, won’t be allowed to expand their operations in India beyond the cities to which they already been awarded flying rights. So, smaller cities will continue to suffer from lack of international connectivity.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:07 pm

avier wrote:

Indian LCC's continue to add int'l flights from BOM/DEL mostly, much like what 9W did (a reason small town residents hated the airline for, on here). The big two cities continue to be the most attractive markets for all airlines, be it on domestic or int'l.

Just a few posts above there are GoAir's new intl flights!
These BOM/DEL flights are exact replacements of erstwhile Jet Airways' flights with even the same timings.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - July 2019

Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:22 pm

unrave wrote:
These BOM/DEL flights are exact replacements of erstwhile Jet Airways' flights with even the same timings.

The cause apparently for the airline's demise, per posters on here..wink. And now other airlines are filling up those same routes, so there definitely was a lucrative market there unlike what people on here make up, saying the real market was elsewhere.
AI is using those same alloted bilaterals for some other almost untouched routes by Indian carriers like IDR/CCU-DXB. So nothing was stopping these three LCC's on doing the same by using their newly alloted bilateral. Instead they are throwing capacity at the two major metros mostly to Gulf and South-east Asia, replicating 9W.

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