Eagleboy
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Re: Irish 7/19

Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:13 pm

Clydenairways wrote:
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In addition to this, hopefully the economics are there to consider SNN-ORD A321LR , even if its just on a seasonal basis.

I hadnt considered that, the A321XLR should certainly make than an option. Would be nice to see SNN getting a 3rd TA service from EI.

Next Summer there will be 8 A321LRs, 2 based in SNN.
6 in Dublin, 2 to cover the DUB-BDL & YUL. That leaves 4 more.
Im thinking we will see a current A332 route getting a capacity increase with 2 A321LR per day. (YYZ or EWR?)
And an additional JFK would seem an obvious step. So thats 7 accounted for, maybe 1 per day as a Euro operater/half day spare?


As for EI-LRA, no training flights planned this week. 1st flight currently planned is the DUB-BDL-DUB on Friday.
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Tue Jul 30, 2019 7:57 pm

Eagleboy wrote:
Clydenairways wrote:
......................
In addition to this, hopefully the economics are there to consider SNN-ORD A321LR , even if its just on a seasonal basis.

I hadnt considered that, the A321XLR should certainly make than an option. Would be nice to see SNN getting a 3rd TA service from EI.

Next Summer there will be 8 A321LRs, 2 based in SNN.
6 in Dublin, 2 to cover the DUB-BDL & YUL. That leaves 4 more.
Im thinking we will see a current A332 route getting a capacity increase with 2 A321LR per day. (YYZ or EWR?)
And an additional JFK would seem an obvious step. So thats 7 accounted for, maybe 1 per day as a Euro operater/half day spare?


As for EI-LRA, no training flights planned this week. 1st flight currently planned is the DUB-BDL-DUB on Friday.


Not up to date with the delivery schedule but would be surprised if they are all delivered by July/August 2020. Possibly 6 of 8 will be available and to be honest Aer Lingus cannot plan for all 8 and have a repeat of the mess this year.
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:22 pm

EK77WNH wrote:
Very pleased that EI is able to keep BOS-SNN going through the winter, thanks in part to the A321 coming on-line. Relatives in Killkenny area make SNN more convenient. It's interesting that BOS-SNN was pulled last winter but it's back this winter. Nice to see.

Interesting. SNN will be happy with that. I would have thought that Dublin was closer to Kilkenny than SNN.

I suppose Norwegian's woes have helped EI's winter plans on the US from SNN.
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:26 pm

Eagleboy wrote:
Clydenairways wrote:
......................
In addition to this, hopefully the economics are there to consider SNN-ORD A321LR , even if its just on a seasonal basis.

I hadnt considered that, the A321XLR should certainly make than an option. Would be nice to see SNN getting a 3rd TA service from EI.

Next Summer there will be 8 A321LRs, 2 based in SNN.
6 in Dublin, 2 to cover the DUB-BDL & YUL. That leaves 4 more.
Im thinking we will see a current A332 route getting a capacity increase with 2 A321LR per day. (YYZ or EWR?)
And an additional JFK would seem an obvious step. So thats 7 accounted for, maybe 1 per day as a Euro operater/half day spare?


As for EI-LRA, no training flights planned this week. 1st flight currently planned is the DUB-BDL-DUB on Friday.


Still no mention if YUL will return? I don't see any mention of a start date.
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Tue Jul 30, 2019 10:47 pm

EI564 wrote:
EK77WNH wrote:
Very pleased that EI is able to keep BOS-SNN going through the winter, thanks in part to the A321 coming on-line. Relatives in Killkenny area make SNN more convenient. It's interesting that BOS-SNN was pulled last winter but it's back this winter. Nice to see.

Interesting. SNN will be happy with that. I would have thought that Dublin was closer to Kilkenny than SNN.

I suppose Norwegian's woes have helped EI's winter plans on the US from SNN.


They are just canceling JFK between Jan-Mar which they only swapped to year round last year instead of Boston because of Norwegian so no real increase from EI at SNN.

alexdelzotto1 wrote:
Eagleboy wrote:
Clydenairways wrote:
......................
In addition to this, hopefully the economics are there to consider SNN-ORD A321LR , even if its just on a seasonal basis.

I hadnt considered that, the A321XLR should certainly make than an option. Would be nice to see SNN getting a 3rd TA service from EI.

Next Summer there will be 8 A321LRs, 2 based in SNN.
6 in Dublin, 2 to cover the DUB-BDL & YUL. That leaves 4 more.
Im thinking we will see a current A332 route getting a capacity increase with 2 A321LR per day. (YYZ or EWR?)
And an additional JFK would seem an obvious step. So thats 7 accounted for, maybe 1 per day as a Euro operater/half day spare?


As for EI-LRA, no training flights planned this week. 1st flight currently planned is the DUB-BDL-DUB on Friday.


Still no mention if YUL will return? I don't see any mention of a start date.


Due back from what I hear. They will just re-announce it as a new route when they make the other announcement.
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:31 am

Eagleboy wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
4 seems fine , there’s plenty of time , it’s not a short flight . Would expect 5 crew on the short haul to London though .
...... ...

Actually 5 required to delivery the multi step TA service, while the EUro run is an easier service. With buy on board only perhaps 75% of pax are dealt with, 1 interaction then clear in the cabin later on. With a “full service” every pax onboard gets drinks, tidy up, meal, hot drink, clear in, snack delivery (and 2nd drink).

Just look at the ratios for the EI fleet;
317/8 crew = 39.6
275/8 crew = 34
174/4 crew = 43.5
212/4 crew = 42.4
184/4 crew = 46 seats per crew on A321LR.

Straight away the LR has the lowest staff ratio in the fleet.
And that’s not even taking into account the increased chance of turbulence interrupting service (FL360 vs FL390), the problems of using carts on a single aisle aircraft with the 3 toilets for 168 ppl co-located with the galley to serve those same 168 ppl. Keep in mind if/when the flight crew need to leave the cockpit the service in J class stops completely. As 2 crew are required to allow a flight crew member to leave the cockpit and keep the galley ‘protected’.
“I’ll top up your Chablis once the captain has had a chance to spend a penny”

As for breaks, well EI crew are entitled to a ‘break’ of 1 hour westbound/45 mins eastbound. (1 hour of an 8-10 hour day) This is an internal IR Agreement. The service won’t stop when 1/4 of the crew are on break (meaning sitting in a takeoff seat in front of J Class8) but the slow pace of delivery with 4 crew in total may make these timings unworkable.
EASA reqs are a different thing than internal agreements. EG. In the delay situation the lack of Class 1 or 2 rest area prevents extension of maximum flight duty period under EASA refs. (Which has gotten EI out of trouble a few times every year on the A330)

EI reworked their J Class a few years ago to get to a place where the entire J class service is complete in under 3 hours from takeoff, 16 seats with 1 1/2 staff will roll back that system unless they reduce the complexity of the service. Which then turns the A321LR into a lower level of service.

Workarounds from EI of changing the J Class service, reducing the service on the LR or offering cash incentives to crew, are just cheap tricks to squeeze the efficiency more and more. In my opinion at the expense of the customer. Will the 30% cost savings from this “ultra modern cost effective new aircraft” be passed on to the passengers? Hell No!
EI will charge the same for an A321 as they do on the A330, even with a lower service service level.


212/4 = 53
Is 4 actually legal for 212?
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:51 am

Galwayman wrote:
Eagleboy wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
4 seems fine , there’s plenty of time , it’s not a short flight . Would expect 5 crew on the short haul to London though .
...... ...

Actually 5 required to delivery the multi step TA service, while the EUro run is an easier service. With buy on board only perhaps 75% of pax are dealt with, 1 interaction then clear in the cabin later on. With a “full service” every pax onboard gets drinks, tidy up, meal, hot drink, clear in, snack delivery (and 2nd drink).

Just look at the ratios for the EI fleet;
317/8 crew = 39.6
275/8 crew = 34
174/4 crew = 43.5
212/4 crew = 42.4
184/4 crew = 46 seats per crew on A321LR.

Straight away the LR has the lowest staff ratio in the fleet.
And that’s not even taking into account the increased chance of turbulence interrupting service (FL360 vs FL390), the problems of using carts on a single aisle aircraft with the 3 toilets for 168 ppl co-located with the galley to serve those same 168 ppl. Keep in mind if/when the flight crew need to leave the cockpit the service in J class stops completely. As 2 crew are required to allow a flight crew member to leave the cockpit and keep the galley ‘protected’.
“I’ll top up your Chablis once the captain has had a chance to spend a penny”

As for breaks, well EI crew are entitled to a ‘break’ of 1 hour westbound/45 mins eastbound. (1 hour of an 8-10 hour day) This is an internal IR Agreement. The service won’t stop when 1/4 of the crew are on break (meaning sitting in a takeoff seat in front of J Class8) but the slow pace of delivery with 4 crew in total may make these timings unworkable.
EASA reqs are a different thing than internal agreements. EG. In the delay situation the lack of Class 1 or 2 rest area prevents extension of maximum flight duty period under EASA refs. (Which has gotten EI out of trouble a few times every year on the A330)

EI reworked their J Class a few years ago to get to a place where the entire J class service is complete in under 3 hours from takeoff, 16 seats with 1 1/2 staff will roll back that system unless they reduce the complexity of the service. Which then turns the A321LR into a lower level of service.

Workarounds from EI of changing the J Class service, reducing the service on the LR or offering cash incentives to crew, are just cheap tricks to squeeze the efficiency more and more. In my opinion at the expense of the customer. Will the 30% cost savings from this “ultra modern cost effective new aircraft” be passed on to the passengers? Hell No!
EI will charge the same for an A321 as they do on the A330, even with a lower service service level.


212/4 = 53
Is 4 actually legal for 212?


212/5 is 42.4, clearly just a typo.
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:25 am

ET schedules show ADD stop moving from MAD to BRU over winter.
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 7:56 am

Current plan is for three 32Qs to be in service by year end , flying DUB- BDL, PHL and (sone) IAD , as well as SNN-BOS. By early 2020, IAD will be all-32Q.

With the fourth 32Q, SNN -JFK will be operated. The fifth 32Q will operate the MSP route when it arrives, next winter (2020/21).

Only 2 757s will be in service by the time the fourth 32Q arrives . I presume that the second will be kept as a reserve because MSP appears to be the only 757 route left for next summer.
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:00 am

IAD will be back to a mix by spring and all 330 by summer
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:48 am

Aer Lingus links Dublin charges rise to expansion plan completion
Airline could agree to increased charges in case of ‘financial challenges’, chief says

Aer Lingus would accept higher passenger charges at Dublin Airport for a period if they were needed to complete the hub’s proposed €1.8 billion expansion plan, according to the airline’s chief executive, Seán Doyle.

The Irish carrier backs proposals by the Commission for Aviation Regulation (CAR) – which determines Dublin Airport’s passenger charges – to cut the levy by 22 per cent to €7.50 a head between 2020 and 2024.

www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-a ... 3?mode=amp

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Emirates says Dublin Airport's infrastructural woes are hampering its business

The Gulf airline said the issue has had a ‘steady negative impact’ on its services.

GULF AIRLINE EMIRATES has said that infrastructural constraints at Dublin Airport have had a “steady negative impact” on its business.

In a submission to the Commission for Aviation Regulation (CAR) earlier this month Enda Corneille, Emirates country manager for Ireland, said that exponential growth of all traffic at Dublin has had a “steady negative impact on our ability to deliver a quality service to our customers on a daily basis”.

https://fora.ie/emirates-dublin-airport ... 0-Jul2019/
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:11 am

BDL operations on the 2nd have been changed to 5 cabin crew. Subsequent days still rostered with 4 but may change.
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:46 am

CarbHeatIn wrote:
BDL operations on the 2nd have been changed to 5 cabin crew. Subsequent days still rostered with 4 but may change.


Could be due to the media events and press onboard.
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:42 am

OA260 wrote:
Aer Lingus links Dublin charges rise to expansion plan completion
Airline could agree to increased charges in case of ‘financial challenges’, chief says

Emirates says Dublin Airport's infrastructural woes are hampering its business

The Gulf airline said the issue has had a ‘steady negative impact’ on its services.



I really find it dissapointing to hear airlines saying this only a couple of months after the DAA CEO insisted in an interview that they are on top of things and there is no need for a 3rd terminal. The guy looks like a complete spoofer to me. I'd be happy to pay higher charges if it meant a better airport.

There wont be any new air bridges or piers open for another 4 years at the earliest, it's embaressing for such a wealthy and tourist orientated city and I can foresee potential new routes being lost from next summer onwards as there appears to be simply no spare capacity available during the peak hours. While personally I would be ok boarding a long haul flight from a remote stand as an interim measure, I don't think any quality American or long haul carriers will open a new route if that's what they are required to do.

Every other day we see long haul arrivals sitting on the tarmac for half an hour or more as their stand is not available.
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:04 pm

kaitak wrote:
The fifth 32Q will operate the MSP route when it arrives, next winter (2020/21).

Ok. For next summer EI will have 4 32Q's and 2 757s then? Compared to 4 757s and 1 32Q this summer.
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 12:53 pm

There’ll only be one 757 left by December.
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:18 pm

Breaking on Sky News 500 pilots and 400 cabin crew to be let go from September / October at Ryanair. Not sure of specific details more to follow.

Update :

Job cuts 'unavoidable' at Ryanair - Michael O'Leary

Ryanair Chief Executive Michael O'Leary has told staff that the budget airline needs 1,500 fewer pilots and cabin crew than originally envisaged.

The news comes amid a drop in earnings and delays to expansion plans forced by the grounding of the Boeing 737 Max jetliner.

Ryanair this month cut the number of 737 Max jets it expects to fly next summer from 58 to 30 due to delivery delays.

Mr O'Leary told staff in a video message that the carrier had an excess of more than 500 pilots and about 400 flight attendants at the moment.

www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2019/0731/1066262-ryanair/
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 1:56 pm

EI321 wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Aer Lingus links Dublin charges rise to expansion plan completion
Airline could agree to increased charges in case of ‘financial challenges’, chief says

Emirates says Dublin Airport's infrastructural woes are hampering its business

The Gulf airline said the issue has had a ‘steady negative impact’ on its services.



I really find it dissapointing to hear airlines saying this only a couple of months after the DAA CEO insisted in an interview that they are on top of things and there is no need for a 3rd terminal. The guy looks like a complete spoofer to me. I'd be happy to pay higher charges if it meant a better airport.

There wont be any new air bridges or piers open for another 4 years at the earliest, it's embaressing for such a wealthy and tourist orientated city and I can foresee potential new routes being lost from next summer onwards as there appears to be simply no spare capacity available during the peak hours. While personally I would be ok boarding a long haul flight from a remote stand as an interim measure, I don't think any quality American or long haul carriers will open a new route if that's what they are required to do.

Every other day we see long haul arrivals sitting on the tarmac for half an hour or more as their stand is not available.


I think we need to tell CAR and the regulator this. I too would be happy to pay slightly (and within reason!) higher charges for a bigger and better airport. But the regulator seems determined to cut charges by about €2 per passenger. Which in reality, you and I will never ever see that reduction in our ticket prices, yet we will feel the pain of delays, aircraft holding for stands, long queues at immigration, ect for the airport that we are using.

The regulator seems to think that cutting the fees in this way is for the benefit of passengers, but I actually think it will have the opposite effect. The airport won't be able to pay for a lot of the much needed expansion and improvement that is required, which will in turn result in a poorer passenger (and airline) experience.
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:24 pm

The DAA works hard to ensure that all capital wxpenditure is ynder it's control and in it's balance shesheet! They believe this structure guarantees them freedom from Government interference! I think the high end assets should be government owned and DAA managed
This woyld reduce charges!
Its Ireland so when ever has any reduction in anything been passed on to the publuc?
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 6:32 pm

Was EIRFLOT
System chucked me our
Now FLIPLOT

A random question!
A recent Stobart operated EI Regional ATR flight left DUB with 15 passengers ans baggage left behind. The excuse used by EI was over sold!

Is 15 left behind on a 70 plus seater over sold or fraud? Is it a compensation or criminal charges issue?
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:45 pm

eirflot wrote:
Is it not time the assets of the DAA (specifically the runways, taxi-ways and operational buildings - control tower) reverted to direct government ownership, managed by the DAA? This would alter the revenue requirements and debt shedules of the DAA! Which would allow for a realistic view of charges.


DUB Control Tower belongs to and is run by the IAA. They footed the bill for the new one. IAA makes a profit and pays a dividend to the State each year.
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 8:45 pm

Seems very odd. The only explanation I can think of would be that pax were connecting from UA flights and their bags didn't make through the system.

It is possible for more bags to be booked onto a flight than physically be accommodated on the aircraft and as a result bags have to be offloaded.
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:08 pm

The latest A333 has been spotted at Toulouse, fuselage in primer and tail painted, ‘IM’ is also on the tail indicating it’s future registration.

https://digitalairliners.com/2019/07/30 ... 0-07-2019/

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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 9:20 pm

Fliplot wrote:
Was EIRFLOT
System chucked me our
Now FLIPLOT

A random question!
A recent Stobart operated EI Regional ATR flight left DUB with 15 passengers ans baggage left behind. The excuse used by EI was over sold!

Is 15 left behind on a 70 plus seater over sold or fraud? Is it a compensation or criminal charges issue?


which ATR equipment was used, you're not giving much detail?

was there a change in plane necessitated moving from a ATR 72 to ATR 42?

correct me if i'm wrong but is that seating capacity difference in line with what you're saying?

Sh*t happens, hardly fraud!
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 10:53 pm

EI321 wrote:
I really find it dissapointing to hear airlines saying this only a couple of months after the DAA CEO insisted in an interview that they are on top of things and there is no need for a 3rd terminal.

Although, I think the airport meant that they need a new Runway and Piers. That talk of a terminal was a distraction.
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:17 pm

Sh1t happens for sure!
But overselling by 15 seats is not something thst just happens!
If it was a change from a 72 to a 42 then why not ssy that instead!
A 22% over sell is not normal!
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Wed Jul 31, 2019 11:26 pm

4 or 5 cabin crew on an A32Q! For a flight of 7 or more hours does it actually matter. I work 10 or 12 hour days regularly and i certainly dont have the following 24 hours off!
If it is such a problem why don't thry change the 50 seats per cabin crew member to say 40!
Its interesting that FR can do a full BOB once if not twice on short haul with 4 cabin crew and EI have difficulty with one BOB with 4 cabin crew! Then of course the EI girls spend the first 20 minutes chatting behind the curtail!
 
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Re: Irish 7/19

Thu Aug 01, 2019 3:14 am

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