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Re: Disney launching their own airline?

Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:34 pm

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...Not to mention damage from the standard CS and delay issues that almost all airlines experience...


Almost all? Lol no ALL airlines experience. Though if you do find that unicorn please let me know where and how to fly them.
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:37 pm

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I mean Disney has found a way to fill cruise ships with insanely expensive fares, they may be able to do the same with an airline.


The difference with cruises is they ARE the experience. The airline is just the means to get to the experience.
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:40 pm

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I mean Disney has found a way to fill cruise ships with insanely expensive fares, they may be able to do the same with an airline.



As an avid cruiser, I think DCL is actually a very good value. The sticker price looks high because they price per cabin. But if you travel with kids, as I do, DCL is almost always the least expensive reasonable brand (i.e. not Carnival/Costa/MCL/etc) and more is included in the base price than on other lines.
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:54 pm

It could make sense in order to strengthen other brands in the Disney empire. The theme parks and resorts (and it's much more than just Disney world in Florida) can only prosper if customers can somehow be brought there. The cruise line likewise. It isn't unheard of for a small cruise line to have its own airline. Spanish Pullmantur used to have an airline for that task.

If there is any truth to it, I would expect a charter job of some sort. Those can be run very conservatively and so with less risk of making a loss. Less risk of running empty aircraft around, since they can control the entire process of selling packages themselves.
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 8:55 pm

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Well there have been so many Mickey Mouse airlines over the past 50 years they should fit right in! Sorry, I couldn't help myself:)

That's one Goofy suggestion...

I heard they will fly McDonald Ducklas planes.

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Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:16 pm

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I heard they will fly McDonald Ducklas planes.

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Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:29 pm

one would expect that the US majors would probably move pretty quickly to ensure this idea fails. They make too much money flying to MCO to give this project the oxygen it needs. Also, the international carriers into MCO are all selling packages for Disney (for example VS, WS). I can't see them being too happy if this were to happen too. Can you imagine a Disney 388 plying LGW MCO and how that would hurt VS, MT and others.
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:36 pm

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BravoOne wrote:
Well there have been so many Mickey Mouse airlines over the past 50 years they should fit right in! Sorry, I couldn't help myself:)


I bow down to you and this comment. You win the internet today. I love it...


A senior captain I flew with many years ago always wore a Mickey Mouse tie tac and one day, I finally asked him why. He said it was because our airline was such a Mickey Mouse operation.

He was right - at least part of the time.
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Re: Disney launching their own airline?

Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:40 pm

This looks like a perfect route for a A220-500.





I wanted to beat the A225 crowd to the punch.
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:47 pm

If Disney really wanted to differentiate their brand with flights to the mouse motherland they would find a way to use smaller, business airports. If they could stuff families into a 737/A320 from an FBO with less intrusive security and ease to the plane I believe people would take full advantage of it. An airline that operates under Part 125 maybe? Imagine money people would pay to fly on their “private” 737 to Disney.
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:03 pm

The A220 is a GAME CHANGER so it will make Disney Air a success!
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:07 pm

A220s, A321s and A350s. Premium layout. Clearly flights to SNA, HND, CDG, HKG, and PVG. Disney would get the premium others cannot. They can buy a fleet with the money they are about to make with Star Wars. They have taken in $2 billion on movies alone this year and its only July. They are building a sub 80 room hotel based on Star Wars that's going to open in a year. You can bet its $1k or more a night being that small, suites will easily be $2k.
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:08 pm

The only thing that really matters is how will the crew dress? All pilot announcements done in Goofy’s voice? That’s confidence inspiring!


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Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:12 pm

They can buy the ex-LH 380's and fly MCO-CDG/TYO/HKG to connect the Disney hubs.
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:17 pm

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No regional airline flies an aircraft that can make LAX or even Denver (certain times of the year) from MCO. This part of the equation is probably more about buying pilots rather than aircraft.


LAX-MCO doesn't make sense. Sure Californians go to Disney World, but with Disneyland just down the freeway most of the demand will stay local and not have use for a special Disney Air flight to Orlando. Similarly, other western US demand might be better served with flights to SNA (or LAX or LGB) than going to MCO.
 
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Re: Disney launching their own airline?

Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:47 pm

Maybe it is just me, but does anyone have a link from a more reputable website?

https://justdisney.co/disney-launching- ... -airlines/

This isn't a Disney website, it appears to be one of the many, many websites aimed at giving tourist advice and grabbing web ad money in the process. I mean, it is a .co website. This article loses a lot of credibility when it talks about Disney acquiring "regional airlines" and competing against "South West Airlines"
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:49 pm

When WDW was being developed, they had an airport on site. Walt Disney wanted a full service airport within 5 min of the park that could capture the magic upon arrival. It was serviced by Eastern for awhile using props. On google, you can still see the runway. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Di ... ld_Airport

Why not just have an “official” airline again. Then allow them to have a couple special livery planes. JAL had a Mickey Mouse livery plane last year for Tokyo Disneyland’s 35th Anniversary. The crew were even done up in more Disney cast attire.

I think the operational cost and standards to make the Disney magic come alive before arriving would be interesting but then again... it’s a plane ride and there is only so much you can do.

Might as well just contract “magic flights” to airlines an let them have special livery and uniforms.
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:43 pm

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I think its safe to assume alcohol will be banned? "Disruptive passenger escorted from Disney Airlines flight" is probably something they don't want to see.


I doubt it, since they’re more than happy to sell alcohol at all of the theme parks.

I don’t see this actually happening. The modern day flying experience kind of sucks and Disney’s is either going to suck the same way or it’s going to be extremely expensive. Then again, if any company can command a significant revenue premium, it would be Disney.
 
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Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:55 pm

Well? Disney owns their own Cruise line.. So owning their OWN airline isn't really a stretch.. Who's the operator???
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:08 am

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As an avid cruiser, I think DCL is actually a very good value. The sticker price looks high because they price per cabin. But if you travel with kids, as I do, DCL is almost always the least expensive reasonable brand (i.e. not Carnival/Costa/MCL/etc) and more is included in the base price than on other lines.


Huh? I just booked a regular outside with a verandah on DCL's Disney Fantasy for way more than my cruise two weeks ago in a Grand Suite on RCI's Harmony of the Seas. Disney is great from what I'm told, but they're stupid expensive. And this is for my family of 4.
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:20 am

Absolutely makes sense. Not an airline but an air experience.

Entire flight is themed from start to finish games movies and the whole nine yards on board.

For example, let's pretend one ran 2 weeks ago....sell the experience on top of your Disney trip for 399 or so a person, have the whole thing Toy Story themed and the catch is you would have gotten into the premiere of Toy Story 4 at Disney. Imagine all the happy girls and boys.

Such a service would come at a premium which fits right in with Disney's pattern of not being afraid of venturing into higher price points. People will pay it. Like the fanatics who take Auto Train....Auto Train isnt exactly necessary and it's a gimmick yet people shell out for it for the experience.

Disney has enough fanatics across the U.S. and beyond to buy into it. It's what they live for.
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Re: Disney launching their own airline?

Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:37 am

This make no sense to me whatsoever.

Disney / WDW have absolutely no problem at all drawing visitors from the entire US and even, without great exaggeration, a large part of the world, including folks who live very close to Disney Paris & Tokyo.
Their massive gravity is the main reason why MCO is a stupid cheap destination to fly to whether you come from Louisville or London.

Why they would want to bother extending the "Disney Experience" to the flight portion, given the massive capacity to MCO is beyond me. Why they'd want to deal with irops, weather, mx issues.... ??? And do so at competitive margins?

This is nothing like Disney Cruises - which is a high end, high margin affair, and a substantial attraction itself.
This is also nothing like the complimentary on property shuttles, which exist less to elminate rentals and maintain captive clientele, as it is to further differentiate from the off property hotels, thus establishing higher value (and profits).

I see no way they jump into air operations just to feed WDW, there's simply no need, and little reward.

There's only one way this makes any sense - and that is if the article is wrong, and the airline is positioned as a truly premium product, the kids equivelent of all premium travel (La Compagnie or SQ SIN-EWR) . Doesn't need to be J seats, but a just a non-densified A320/B737 with a well done kid friendly interior (effortless for Disney) , and they might be able to fill it with the same folks who drop $500 - $1000/night staying at Boardwalk, Grand Floridian, Yacht Club. These are people already dropping $10k+ for a short trip with kids (sans travel costs), and much more if they opt in for the VIP stuff. There's alot of those folks, and paying 2x for airfare if it add to their kids experience won't sweat them at all.

I see this working more like Casinos with aircraft for big players, and less like mass travel.
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:09 am

Perhaps some niche Disney themed charter operation.

I question if there is enough year round demand in the target makers willing to pay the premium for the Disney flight experience that would cover the massive fixed costs of having a small, dedicated operation to such type of flights.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:13 am

DL717 wrote:
A220s, A321s and A350s. Premium layout. Clearly flights to SNA, HND, CDG, HKG, and PVG. Disney would get the premium others cannot. They can buy a fleet with the money they are about to make with Star Wars. They have taken in $2 billion on movies alone this year and its only July. They are building a sub 80 room hotel based on Star Wars that's going to open in a year. You can bet its $1k or more a night being that small, suites will easily be $2k.

They can use DTW as a scissors hub because it's closer to Asia on the Great Circle and also use it as a feeder point for high yielding regional business routes as well as feeding MCO. But we all know DL wont allow it ;)
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Re: Disney launching their own airline?

Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:17 am

Upon further reflection -

I still think this works only as a premium offering... but it does occur to me that this could be worthwhile if they leveraged their substantial in-house vacation booking operations to promote complete package for both the resort AND cruise offerings. A high % of people already bundle airtravel with cruises due to the expensive nature of missing the ship departure (with many folks flying in the day before). Disney's ability to package a couple of nights at WDW, transport to Port Canaveral, the cruise, and back out to the flight.... that may be something worth selling.

This could work more like the European vacation package model... just Disnefied, and with the price to match ;)
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:45 am

NW747-400 wrote:
superjeff wrote:
The comparison to Carnival is off, as they own a whole bunch of other lines, including Princess, Holland America, and others, in various price classes. The merger of Carnival Airlines with Pan Am II was to create a bigger, stronger airline that could compete. it backfired, as we all know 20 years on.


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Wile all owned by Carnival Corporation, the lines each have individual management teams, brand identities and product offerings.



The discussion was about carnival airlines, and the person that brought that up implied that it was the same as Carnival Cruise Lines. I don't remember which other shipping lines Carnival had when they had their airline (or when they bought Princess, Holland America, etc., but you can be assured if they had the opportunity to feed their airline, they would have.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:48 am

Why start their own airline when they could just make a deal with like Delta (or whomever has a major MCO presence) as their "Official Airline"?

They did it with Eastern: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpg95rJWAIs
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:09 am

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They can buy the ex-LH 380's and fly MCO-CDG/TYO/HKG to connect the Disney hubs.

And name those Monstro, Willie, Kuzco, etc..... :bigthumbsup: .....

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Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:09 am

I'd be surprised if this isn't toward another partnership. But the only airline that might fly from those markets to MCO is Spirit. I see it more likely that there are partnerships with other airlines, like B6 and AS (changing the Disney livery on AS to a newer frame with 1 or 2 B6 frames receiving a Disney livery). Remember that WS has two Disney-themed B738s, ships 810 and 812.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:10 am

This makes absolutely no sense at all. Disney has no problem attracting a large number of people to Orlando. In fact they almost attract too many and keep raising prices.

Some kind of agreement with an official airline to provide an end to end "Disney experience" would be the only thing that makes sense. Basically expand the "Disney's Magical Express" service to the customer's origin.

A cruise line and an airline are completely different businesses. Like the parks and resorts, Disney Cruise Line is the destination not the means of travel.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:19 am

strfyr51 wrote:
Well? Disney owns their own Cruise line.. So owning their OWN airline isn't really a stretch.. Who's the operator???


Well it is one thing to have a cruise ship industry that does not do the whole loyalty thing like the airlines have. But needless to say a Disney-only airline, to be successful, would need to tap into each one of the large alliance programs in order for people to even think about booking with them. That could be a real challenge because the programs (Star Alliance, One World, Skyteam) would never all go in on one airline just because it has the Disney name on it.

But I am sure that if Disney was sniffing around to do an airline, and wanted real passenger lift with it, signing up with one of the alliances would go a long way to making it something of a success. Stand alone airlines, unless they serve a specific market that no one else does, don't do well without being tied, somehow to a group of airlines for their mileage program or an alliance.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:51 am

Would Disney ever have an airline be the official airline of the Walt Disney World Resort Again? Eastern and then Delta were all over that with a ride in the park and DL having an all out hub in Orlando (as well as Delta Express the internal LCC on 732s.) I don't even remember what went down with DL to drop the sponsorship back in like 1996-1997. They still had a hub in Orlando until the Early 2000s.

I know AA did some Disney promotional one-off Marketing Campaigns in the last few years but nothing significant as they only have MCO as a large spoke. I feel like JetBlue or Southwest would be a perfect fit with a ride in the Magic Kingdom.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:01 am

The arguments here also applied to Disney running their own Hotels and their own cruise line. These have proven to be very successful over time, and I suspect that this would be successful as well, for the exact same reasons Pan Am & InterContinental Hotels worked, the same reason why United & Hilton worked well. Controlling the entire experience is valuable - and Disney can roll it into large vacation packages. Disney just raised the ticket prices for annual pass holders, and will continue to increase the total revenue associated with people visiting their park.

Disney branding is very very powerful - and putting Disney characters onto a plane would work well - except it can't be marvel. The license agreement that Universal signed with Marvel before the Disney acquisition restricts Disney using most Marvel characters (guardians of the galaxy being a obvious exception) from being used in any promotional material at any Disney owned property or vehicle in Orlando. They will just have to work with Mickey, Minnie, Donald, Han Solo, Woody and Buzz, etc.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:26 am

Disney has been working with airlines and companies for the past few years to develop customer service strategies, I would imagine they’ll take what they’ve been preaching....and learned and parlay that into an experience if they do end up starting an airline.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:38 am

Just so we’re all clear here...

We’re commenting on a poorly written trash blog post that has absolutely no sources or grounding in reality.

Disney Airlines isn’t a thing.

Carry on.
 
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Re: Disney launching their own airline?

Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:09 am

Disney sort of do this already from the UK. You can book a complete vacation package including flights on the UK Disney website. They just put you on BA,VS or even MT flights.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:09 am

The first global airline?

HQ and US east coast hub - MCO
US West coast hub - LAX
Europe and Africa hub - CDG
South Asia Hub - HKG
Centre Asia hub - PVG
Pacific hub - NRT
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:09 am

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I mean Disney has found a way to fill cruise ships with insanely expensive fares, they may be able to do the same with an airline.



As an avid cruiser, I think DCL is actually a very good value. The sticker price looks high because they price per cabin. But if you travel with kids, as I do, DCL is almost always the least expensive reasonable brand (i.e. not Carnival/Costa/MCL/etc) and more is included in the base price than on other lines.


I've gotten a suite on Royal Caribbean for less than an interior room would cost on Disney. And RC suite perks are pretty good compared to other lines.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:25 am

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The first global airline?

HQ and US east coast hub - MCO
US West coast hub - LAX
Europe and Africa hub - CDG
South Asia Hub - HKG
Centre Asia hub - PVG
Pacific hub - NRT


Looks a lot like FedEx's hubs actually.
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:33 am

Unlikely to be newbuild frames given cost constraints. I'd have thought refurbished 767 or 772 frames would make sense. 773/W and 744 too big.

I cant see them buying Airbus.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:47 am

Don't know what cruise line yall cruised on, but Carnival is doing quite well for themselves and is a great cruise line to sail on. Full ships, full entertainment, and new ships continue to sail out. Ill take them any day. Plus theyre affordable, unlike much of anything Disney. If Disney does this, it wont last long. Youre just not going to have that many people, at one time, going from the same location on a daily basis.
 
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Re: Disney launching their own airline?

Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:12 am

They should revive their old G1 and offer scenic flights on that aircraft. Might be able to sell them for a lot of money to hard core fans.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:59 am

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Maybe it is just me, but does anyone have a link from a more reputable website?

https://justdisney.co/disney-launching- ... -airlines/

This isn't a Disney website, it appears to be one of the many, many websites aimed at giving tourist advice and grabbing web ad money in the process. I mean, it is a .co website. This article loses a lot of credibility when it talks about Disney acquiring "regional airlines" and competing against "South West Airlines"


It's not just you. There's infinite garbage on the internet. Pushing it on others is no favor. Respected publications with clear journalistic standards are the gold standard. Self-interested speculation is substantially valueless.

Is the idea absolutely improbable? No. Am I less convinced of the probability when this group can't rise to 6th-grade standards of grammar? Yes.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:36 pm

If this got legions of pax with screaming, out-of-control kids to fly on their airline instead of other carriers, I'd wish them all the luck and success in the world.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:18 pm

Ricport,
More than likely this would pull the well behaving kids off other airlines. :devil:

But won't happen.

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Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:47 pm

Give it a few more decades. By then we will only have two choices for EVERYTHING here in the US. Disney and Amazon.
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:27 pm

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Which is of course, a complete misnomer, as both airports have airlines that specifically schedule connecting flights with calculated transfer flow, making them hubs in every sense of the word.

Heck, multiple airlines at MCO; both domestically and internationally.


The only airline I would seriously consider to have any kind of hub at MCO is maybe B6, and a weak one at that.


Are you really forgetting WN's nearly 30% market share at MCO? Compared to JetBlue's almost 13%. Heck, even DL and AA beat B6 in MCO.
 
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Re: Disney launching their own airline?

Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:38 pm

I see their point in trying to create a vertical integrationfor their product. But like many other companies that attempt similar expansion. They will find the underlying costs too great to keep flying. Especially when the next recession hits.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:39 pm

ricport wrote:
If this got legions of pax with screaming, out-of-control kids to fly on their airline instead of other carriers, I'd wish them all the luck and success in the world.


Think of it this way. Those screaming kids are not on the US3 ;)
 
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Re: Disney launching their own airline?

Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:46 pm

Harrison Ford will be your captain.

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