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2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:59 pm

The monsoon season in India has caused severe weather in parts of the country result in 3 aircraft overruns within 24 hours.

Air India Express flight IX814 from DXB a 738 overran the runway at Mangalore. This incident saved by a ditch built after the crash of Air India Express 812 back in 2010. The Indian DGCA has opened an investigation.

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SpiceJet flight SG3722 a DH4 from Bhopal overran the runway at Surat Gurajat.

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SpiceJet flight SG6237 a 738 (in ex Jet Airways livery) from Jaipur overran the runway at Mumbai.

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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/m ... 2019-07-01
 
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:49 pm

Umm... If overruns are that common, I'll avoid monsoon season...
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:50 am

asuflyer wrote:
The monsoon season in India has caused severe weather in parts of the country result in 3 aircraft overruns within 24 hours.

Air India Express flight IX814 from DXB a 738 overran the runway at Mangalore. This incident saved by a ditch built after the crash of Air India Express 812 back in 2010. The Indian DGCA has opened an investigation.

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SpiceJet flight SG3722 a DH4 from Bhopal overran the runway at Surat Gurajat.

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SpiceJet flight SG6237 a 738 (in ex Jet Airways livery) from Jaipur overran the runway at Mumbai.

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https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/m ... 2019-07-01

Is there any picture from the front section? I guess crossing the ditch was rather unhealthy for the nose landing gear...
 
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:56 am

Roads are flooded and local trains stopped in Mumbai. This is climate change after a very dry June, in just 2 days Mumbai received 597 mm of rains, which it should have received over the entire month of June
 
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:23 am

Yes, the weather is quite bad for the last 2 days and will continue for the rest of the week. But SpiceJet has been subject to many allegations about disregarding safety and overworking their Pilots, perhaps this is just the effect of that.
 
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:23 am

N14AZ wrote:
Is there any picture from the front section? I guess crossing the ditch was rather unhealthy for the nose landing gear...


http://avherald.com/h?article=4c9d4a5a&opt=0

Also this, on the same day...

http://avherald.com/h?article=4c9de14c&opt=0

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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:36 am

Does the 737 have a higher approach speed than thew A320? Whenever I see them land they do appear to come in faster, with a more shallow flare, and they more often than not float down the runway a bit before touching down.
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:38 am

I've read somewhere the A320 series has an overrun protection system, maybe it's just working ?
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:04 am

Air India Express overran the taxiway at Mangalore, which has a notoriously short runway situated on a tabletop, factors that contributed to the last fatal crash in India in 2010. (Incidentally that was also an Air India Express plan that had flown in from Dubai). The runway is being extended now, something that should have been done years back.
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:10 am

unrave wrote:
Air India Express overran the taxiway at Mangalore, which has a notoriously short runway situated on a tabletop.

It has an 8000ft long runway. I wouldn't term that as "notoriously" short. There are much shorter runways airlines operate to in the country like at Dehradun, Jammu, Patna, Rajkot, etc using 737/A320's. Mumbai has a pretty long main runway, and still we have seen so many aircraft overruns (just one last night posted here), most notably 737's over the years of SpiceJet & Jet Airways.
 
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:28 am

avier wrote:
unrave wrote:
Air India Express overran the taxiway at Mangalore, which has a notoriously short runway situated on a tabletop.

It has an 8000ft long runway. I wouldn't term that as "notoriously" short. There are much shorter runways airlines operate to in the country like at Dehradun, Jammu, Patna, Rajkot, etc using 737/A320's. Mumbai has a pretty long main runway, and still we have seen so many aircraft overruns (just one last night posted here), most notably 737's over the years of SpiceJet & Jet Airways.


True. I don't remember the last time when an A320 over ran the runway in India
 
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:55 am

Well, this is common in Indonesia during rains as well, and guess which aircraft type is mostly the culprit?
 
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:59 am

anshabhi wrote:
True. I don't remember the last time when an A320 over ran the runway in India

That would likely be this one: http://avherald.com/h?article=4aa1c154&opt=0
June 9th 2017.
 
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:45 am

More pics of last night's 737 overrun at BOM of SpiceJet. Looks difficult to remove from site. Engine blades seem to be damaged too.
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Additional pics here from a journo's twitter feed : https://mobile.twitter.com/shukla_tarun/status/1145958710067388416
 
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:01 am

Interesting, is that a proper EMAS system, or did the ground past the runway just happened to have exactly the right consistency?
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:34 am

SilverwingSpttr wrote:
Does the 737 have a higher approach speed than thew A320? Whenever I see them land they do appear to come in faster, with a more shallow flare, and they more often than not float down the runway a bit before touching down.


The 737-800 is a very fast aircraft on approach. A combination of a relatively small wing, high weight and a need to reduce the risk of tail-strikes because it sits so low to the ground. You might recall the many discussions on this site about the 737-900ER's need for long runways. That was for the same reason, albeit a bit worse.
 
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:38 am

Wow. Something to think about when going to places that have monsoons in the developing world. Three in one day is crazy. Glad nobody got seriously hurt. Wonder if that ex-9W frame has any structural damage?
 
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:11 am

Francoflier wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Is there any picture from the front section? I guess crossing the ditch was rather unhealthy for the nose landing gear...


http://avherald.com/h?article=4c9d4a5a&opt=0

Also this, on the same day...

http://avherald.com/h?article=4c9de14c&opt=0

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Thanks for your reply and the two links.

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My first reaction “oh, doesn’t look too bad” since I thought the NLG had have been ripped off. But then again, the NLG looks rather like a Jurassic-NLG.

That’s how it should look like:
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Source: http://www.nycaviation.com/2012/04/phot ... deal/21873
…but it rather looks like this one, a 737-800 that had a hard landing, leading to damages to the nose wheel bay and surrounding fuselage.

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Source: http://www.b737.org.uk/incident_ok-tvt.htm
 
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:28 am

Severe weather is nothing new in South and SE Asia - was happening throughout the jet-powered 20th century as well. Were there many overruns in these countries in those days? Quality of training and high frequency of operation seem to be important human factors here.
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:40 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Severe weather is nothing new in South and SE Asia - was happening throughout the jet-powered 20th century as well. Were there many overruns in these countries in those days? Quality of training and high frequency of operation seem to be important human factors here.


There were much fewer aircraft in those days. Stands to reason that for the same incident rate, less aircraft will mean less incidents. There's a good chance that pilot training standards have taken a hit too, with some really poor pilots that would've been passed over in the past being accepted into jobs due to shortages.

There were fewer airports back in those days. The airport with the Q400 overrun wasn't opened until the 1970s and only expanded for airliners until 2003. Another of the airports involved in one of the incidents opened in 1988.
 
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:45 pm

Where's that guy with "New Florida Man" in his signature . . .
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:17 pm

Spicejet and Lion are professionals on this..
 
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:47 pm

asuflyer wrote:
saved by a ditch built after the crash of Air India Express 812 back in 2010



Francoflier wrote:
Interesting, is that a proper EMAS system, or did the ground past the runway just happened to have exactly the right consistency?



Good to see local solutions that don't take years, involve millions of dollars, endless consultants and contractors.
 
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:25 am

Aaron747 wrote:
Severe weather is nothing new in South and SE Asia - was happening throughout the jet-powered 20th century as well. Were there many overruns in these countries in those days? Quality of training and high frequency of operation seem to be important human factors here.


Is it happening more? Or is it simply news about such events travels faster and has more world-wide interest?
 
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:04 am

PW100 wrote:
Where's that guy with "New Florida Man" in his signature . . .

hello, lol.

So its another "the 738 is too weak to stop in harsh conditions" eh?
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:12 am

Etheereal wrote:
PW100 wrote:
Where's that guy with "New Florida Man" in his signature . . .

hello, lol.

So its another "the 738 is too weak to stop in harsh conditions" eh?

Nah, just gotta use full power on thrust reverse and keep it going until the airplane comes to a complete stop, THEN you stow the reversers.

But until that happens, yes. Without a doubt, "737 overshoots the runway" is now the "Florida Man" of aviation.
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:20 pm

acjbbj wrote:
Etheereal wrote:
PW100 wrote:
Where's that guy with "New Florida Man" in his signature . . .

hello, lol.

So its another "the 738 is too weak to stop in harsh conditions" eh?

Nah, just gotta use full power on thrust reverse and keep it going until the airplane comes to a complete stop, THEN you stow the reversers.

But until that happens, yes. Without a doubt, "737 overshoots the runway" is now the "Florida Man" of aviation.

I was under the impression that if there's the possibility of overrun, you dont stow the reversers and instead risk the compressor stall.
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:23 pm

lightsaber wrote:
Umm... If overruns are that common, I'll avoid monsoon season...

Makes sense to me.
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Sat Jul 06, 2019 12:17 am

You don't overrun because of rain...... You overrun if you screw up the landing.
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Sat Jul 06, 2019 3:32 am

All Boeings? Interesting.
Guess Boeing is selling planes based solely on its past reputation, when it had no competition and a pliable media.
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:59 am

itisi wrote:
You don't overrun because of rain...... You overrun if you screw up the landing.


I’ll chalk it up to poor training and poor initial hiring.
Indian aviation has grown so fast and outgrown the supply of properly trained and motivated pilots.
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Re: 2 Spicejet and Air India overruns as monsoon rains hit

Sat Jul 06, 2019 5:39 am

I came here looking for pictures of 737s run of the end or runways and what did I find :lol:

I am a little surprised a Q400 had an overrun, maybe they didn’t get those brake disks warmed up properly.
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