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Updated: Erdogan warns TK may drop Boeing orders

Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:11 am

During the G20 Summit in Japan President Erdogan announced TK is buying 100 Boeing jets.
I only have a link in Turkish but will post the English version as soon as I find it:
https://dogruhaber.com.tr/haber/603887- ... -aliyoruz/

As much as TK is like a little toy for the AKP government it also is a public company that has to stick to SPK(Turkish version of SEC) rules how Mr. President made the remark, and for what model of Boeing model is being mentioned I have no idea, but it is very big news in Turkish financial markets.

There were rumors that TK will swap its MAX orders for widebody aircraft but no way it can be for 100 of them. What are your thoughts?
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Re: Turkey President Erdogan " TK Will Buy 100 Boeing Jets"

Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:14 am

I hear there's a firesale on the MAX at the moment...
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Re: Turkey President Erdogan " TK Will Buy 100 Boeing Jets"

Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:14 am

Problem with such statements is always that one doesn’t know if he is talking about an existing order with pending deliveries or an additional order....
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:15 am

¿B777X too?
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:26 am

pabloeing wrote:
¿B777X too?

Maybe. Or else more Boeing 787 and 737 MAX?
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Re: Turkey President Erdogan " TK Will Buy 100 Boeing Jets"

Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:28 am

Would be awesome if it could be 100 NMA... awesome but not likely.
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Re: Turkey President Erdogan " TK Will Buy 100 Boeing Jets"

Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:36 am

Trying to buy their way back into the US' graces over the S-400/F-35 spat.

100 planes would be a load of 738MAX, some 7310MAX and likely some 787-10 for regional work.
 
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Re: Turkey President Erdogan " TK Will Buy 100 Boeing Jets"

Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:41 am

N14AZ wrote:
Problem with such statements is always that one doesn’t know if he is talking about an existing order with pending deliveries or an additional order....

:checkmark: Exactly.
When I look at wiki I can see TK has ordered 75x 737MAX (12 delivered, and probably quite a few sitting on a parking lot in Renton), 30x 787 (1 delivered). With 3 777F to be deliveried There's 95 aircraft in backlog, maybe TK will top up their 787 order with 5 additional aircraft. Something which wouldn't surprise anyone, but wouldn't be totally spectacular either....
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Re: Turkey President Erdogan " TK Will Buy 100 Boeing Jets"

Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:42 am

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Trying to buy their way back into the US' graces over the S-400/F-35 spat.

100 planes would be a load of 738MAX, some 7310MAX and likely some 787-10 for regional work.

You are correct with your assumption of why this order is being announced, however like I said there were rumors of a negotiation for swapping the max order or deferring it for a few years. Now you might say its the same with a lot of countries but believe me when I say it, it will take a lot to get Turkish pax to board a 737 max for a while. Just the way it is here. Also 787-10 is hardly regional for TK. Its range is good for most of its network barring the ULH ones no?
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:45 am

CHRISBA35X wrote:
Trying to buy their way back into the US' graces over the S-400/F-35 spat.

100 planes would be a load of 738MAX, some 7310MAX and likely some 787-10 for regional work.


The timing of the announcement is very suspicious indeed, but I don't see how it could work.
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Erdogan to Trump: "We will buy 100 Boeings and you will let us buy the S400 from the Russians. Deal?"
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:29 pm

frigatebird wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Problem with such statements is always that one doesn’t know if he is talking about an existing order with pending deliveries or an additional order....

:checkmark: Exactly.
When I look at wiki I can see TK has ordered 75x 737MAX (12 delivered, and probably quite a few sitting on a parking lot in Renton), 30x 787 (1 delivered). With 3 777F to be deliveried There's 95 aircraft in backlog, maybe TK will top up their 787 order with 5 additional aircraft. Something which wouldn't surprise anyone, but wouldn't be totally spectacular either....

That quote reads to me like he's speaking off the cuff. "100 planes" could be just a quick way to say "95 planes" I too will chalk this up to referencing already-ordered aircraft.
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Re: Turkey President Erdogan " TK Will Buy 100 Boeing Jets"

Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:41 pm

Sounds like a good political statement, not so much a business one...
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:32 pm

1. The U.S. President has an ill-formed idea of what 'winning' means, so who knows how he will prioritize activities;

2. Repeating, it's not known if Erdogan's statement refers to an incremental order;

3. The U.S. had $1.7 Trillion in exports of goods last year. $8-16 Billion in aircraft delivered over 3-4 years doesn't even start to move the needle. Nobody outside of Boeing's orbit should give it three seconds of thought.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 3:54 pm

I think was a joke in the context of "I'll do THAT" if you agree to "THIS" which he knows won't happen.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:23 pm

raylee67 wrote:
Erdogan to Trump: "We will buy 100 Boeings and you will let us buy the S400 from the Russians. Deal?"


Yeah like Erdogan would need permission from the US to buy S400's. He doesn't give a damn what they think and rightly so. The era of countries being pushed around by the US is over and it's a good thing.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:28 pm

Does Istanbul need containerized baggage?
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:31 pm

raylee67 wrote:
Erdogan to Trump: "We will buy 100 Boeings and you will let us buy the S400 from the Russians. Deal?"


It is like that, for sure. When the president of a free democratic (hah!) country like Turkey talks about Boeing or Airbus, he is talking directly to the USA or EU, respectively. He should keep his tainted hands out of it, but that's the problem with an autocrat - no limits and no controls.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:41 pm

Good to see designed in India assembled in US Boeing a/c getting new orders :)
 
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Re: Turkey President Erdogan " TK Will Buy 100 Boeing Jets"

Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:42 pm

[ironic on]As regular in free and democratic countries like China and Turkey...[/ironic of]

The Chinese way of announcement of "new" order of birds by the "big guys" during big sessions and visits of foreign presidents e.g. Only seen one or two...hundred times.

hundreds of new ordered birds....
and all already ordered prior, years ago. Just confirmed again, that these orders are and have been already confirmed...again and again.

But it sounds so nice and big guys can have such nice propaganda show. So pretty sure, big guy Trump will like it, as big guy Erdogan.
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 5:11 pm

Lets hope TKs fleet selection is made on other criteria’s than what suits Erdogans political agenda best.
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 6:13 pm

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Does Istanbul need containerized baggage?

Yes. Now move on...
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2019 9:35 pm

CHRISBA35X wrote:
Trying to buy their way back into the US' graces over the S-400/F-35 spat.

100 planes would be a load of 738MAX, some 7310MAX and likely some 787-10 for regional work.


They could also add the 777-8/9X to their fleet for long haul high capacity routes, IST-JFK, IST-JNB or IST-NRT just to name a few. It is evident that they won't choose the 747-8i although there was a time they were thinking seriously about it, they would rather choose the 777X if they need an aircraft larger than the 78J. The 777X could be a good fit.
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Re: Turkey President Erdogan " TK Will Buy 100 Boeing Jets"

Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:47 am

Meanwhile, at TK's HQ:

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WAIT WHAT????!!!!!
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:21 am

I would assume the 777X. 747-8I will be a major miracle. They spoke about it in the past. but likely will see plenty 787 and 777-9.
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:58 am

747-8 passenger sales are done. There was a heavily spread rumor about a Turkish order for 20x 747-8 a few years ago. The deal turned out to be 787s, but that was certainly the last call.

A politically motivated Boeing order will probably be mostly MAX with a dash of widebodies thrown in. TK could find uses for 787-9, 787-10, or 777-9.
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:11 am

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I would assume the 777X. 747-8I will be a major miracle. They spoke about it in the past. but likely will see plenty 787 and 777-9.
777-8 is a 50/50


Save for a.net, passenger quads are dead - Boeing called it a couple years ago, Airbus called it with the end of the a380. Even with political meddling, ordering the 748 would be bananas.
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 5:54 am

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VV wrote:
Does Istanbul need containerized baggage?

Yes. Now move on...


So they have a special terminal for TK's 737?
 
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Re: Turkey President Erdogan " TK Will Buy 100 Boeing Jets"

Wed Jul 03, 2019 8:48 am

I think TK will place an order with Boeing, but I think its a long shot that it will include 777X and a miracle if it includes 748, I'm expecting a top up for 787's that includes a swap for the max delivered and on order (maybe Boeing will take the ac from TK and place it elsewhere) , and a deferral of the max order for 2-3 years with additional frames added to the order. Wild guess but thats my assumption.
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Re: Turkey President Erdogan " TK Will Buy 100 Boeing Jets"

Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:26 am

gokmengs wrote:
I think TK will place an order with Boeing, but I think its a long shot that it will include 777X and a miracle if it includes 748, I'm expecting a top up for 787's that includes a swap for the max delivered and on order (maybe Boeing will take the ac from TK and place it elsewhere) , and a deferral of the max order for 2-3 years with additional frames added to the order. Wild guess but thats my assumption.

Please note; delivery of around 200 already firm ordered Boeing jets to TK is outstanding...(195?).

This seems to be equal or near equal to the number, the big guy has announced of "200". This is just called "propaganda" for the stupids. Or you can just compare it to the regular seen "Chinese" way...of hundreds announced orders, when a president of US or Europe visits the country. all have been already ordered years ago, but nicely as propaganda show fresh re-warmed announced.
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:29 am

¿B777-8X for the SYD and MEL possible flights?
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2019 11:52 am

sonicruiser wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
Erdogan to Trump: "We will buy 100 Boeings and you will let us buy the S400 from the Russians. Deal?"


Yeah like Erdogan would need permission from the US to buy S400's. He doesn't give a damn what they think and rightly so. The era of countries being pushed around by the US is over and it's a good thing.


If they want the f35, that can't have the s400.
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VV wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
VV wrote:
Does Istanbul need containerized baggage?

Yes. Now move on...


So they have a special terminal for TK's 737?

It was sarcasm. You're baiting people with that subject so you can call it BS and say they're obsessed with it.
 
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Fri Jul 05, 2019 2:35 am

spinotter wrote:
[quote="raylee67" He should keep his tainted hands out of it, but that's the problem with an autocrat - no limits and no controls.


Do you mean Erdogan - or Trump?

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Fri Jul 05, 2019 3:26 am

sonicruiser wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
Erdogan to Trump: "We will buy 100 Boeings and you will let us buy the S400 from the Russians. Deal?"


Yeah like Erdogan would need permission from the US to buy S400's. He doesn't give a damn what they think and rightly so. The era of countries being pushed around by US is over and it's a good thing.

If the missle is Airborne carried Endrogan would need the Avionics source code to integrate it on the airplane. OR? Give it TO the Russians so that THEY could integrate it into the Fire control system. If they do that? Then the Russians Might as well have Built the F35 as they'd have all they need to shoot it DOWN. How MUCH is Endrogen getting from Putin for IT??
 
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Fri Jul 05, 2019 4:33 am

WayexTDI wrote:
VV wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
Yes. Now move on...


So they have a special terminal for TK's 737?

It was sarcasm. You're baiting people with that subject so you can call it BS and say they're obsessed with it.


I really wish to know how a big airport like Istanbul deal with the luggages.
Do they require airlines to have contenairized baggage?
 
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Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:13 am

Why do I feel it's gonna be like ''30 737 MAX 8s and 70 options/purchase rights''? I doubt they're gonna go out and buy 100 jets. Also considering Erdogan is in a really bad place with everyone except Russia and Iran now, should we expect similar announcements for Airbus and Embraer?
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Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:36 am

sonicruiser wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
Erdogan to Trump: "We will buy 100 Boeings and you will let us buy the S400 from the Russians. Deal?"


Yeah like Erdogan would need permission from the US to buy S400's. He doesn't give a damn what they think and rightly so. The era of countries being pushed around by the US is over and it's a good thing.


They need permission to buy F35s, and that is contingent on what other stuff they buy.....

But of course the way to get Trump to change his mind is to book lots of rooms in his hotels and/or arrange cheap loans to his business ventures.....

Business wise it just seems to be a good time to buy Boeing aircraft, so why not do it? They are roughly comparable to the Airbus offerings and certainly have profiles where they simply are the better choice to begin with


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Re: Turkey President Erdogan " TK Will Buy 100 Boeing Jets"

Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:00 am

I have not seen an English translation of what was said. It could be on the lines of "we have orders now which we could cancel if we don't get F 35s"
 
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Fri Jul 05, 2019 10:30 pm

JerseyFlyer wrote:
I have not seen an English translation of what was said. It could be on the lines of "we have orders now which we could cancel if we don't get F 35s"


I'll translate the quote from the article OP posted: "Meanwhile, as Turkish Airlines we are buying 100 Boeing jets from there."

He is referring to the USA by "there". Also notice the tense, he did not say "we will buy", therefore I believe he is referring to TK's current outstanding orders.
 
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Sat Jul 06, 2019 2:16 am

tommy1808 wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
Erdogan to Trump: "We will buy 100 Boeings and you will let us buy the S400 from the Russians. Deal?"


Yeah like Erdogan would need permission from the US to buy S400's. He doesn't give a damn what they think and rightly so. The era of countries being pushed around by the US is over and it's a good thing.


They need permission to buy F35s, and that is contingent on what other stuff they buy.....

But of course the way to get Trump to change his mind is to book lots of rooms in his hotels and/or arrange cheap loans to his business ventures.....

Business wise it just seems to be a good time to buy Boeing aircraft, so why not do it? They are roughly comparable to the Airbus offerings and certainly have profiles where they simply are the better choice to begin with


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Bolded part is a total political cheap shot that does not belong on the civil aviation forum.

Its also not true.
 
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Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:26 am

Actually RTE mentioned litte bit different :

“Bizim S-400 olayı bir taraftan yürürken Amerika’dan da Lockheed Martin’den Boeing uçaklarını alıyoruz. 100 adet Boeing alıyoruz. Serbest piyasa ekonomisinin olduğu bir dünyada bunları birbirine karıştırmayacağız


He said clearly "we are buying 100 boeing planes, we will not mix with this (S400 import) at the free trade world". Of course this is a little reminder about TK's 100 Boeing order. While 75 of these of MAX, it is very easy cancel it, demand something from Boeing etc.
 
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Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:47 am

sonicruiser wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
Erdogan to Trump: "We will buy 100 Boeings and you will let us buy the S400 from the Russians. Deal?"


Yeah like Erdogan would need permission from the US to buy S400's. He doesn't give a damn what they think and rightly so. The era of countries being pushed around by the US is over and it's a good thing.


Over 75% of their Airforce in US-built, so if they're interested in keeping their planes flying they should give a damn. It's a perfectly reasonable claim from the US to keep a Russian built system from the NATO stockpile.
 
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Sat Jul 06, 2019 10:52 am

SteelChair wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:

Yeah like Erdogan would need permission from the US to buy S400's. He doesn't give a damn what they think and rightly so. The era of countries being pushed around by the US is over and it's a good thing.


They need permission to buy F35s, and that is contingent on what other stuff they buy.....

But of course the way to get Trump to change his mind is to book lots of rooms in his hotels and/or arrange cheap loans to his business ventures.....

Business wise it just seems to be a good time to buy Boeing aircraft, so why not do it? They are roughly comparable to the Airbus offerings and certainly have profiles where they simply are the better choice to begin with


Best regards
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Bolded part is a total political cheap shot that does not belong on the civil aviation forum.

Its also not true.


Actually, many commercial orders are political move or favors. Especially for countries like China, Russia, etc.

Political favors always became one of the main factor for such orders. We know how these dirty business done.
 
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Sat Jul 06, 2019 11:01 am

If I understand the president's words, he speaks of existing orders and not new orders. TK is even not in condition to buy 100 more jets with Turkish economy going down. Last May domestic traffic went down by 20%.

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SteelChair wrote:
tommy1808 wrote:

They need permission to buy F35s, and that is contingent on what other stuff they buy.....

But of course the way to get Trump to change his mind is to book lots of rooms in his hotels and/or arrange cheap loans to his business ventures.....

Business wise it just seems to be a good time to buy Boeing aircraft, so why not do it? They are roughly comparable to the Airbus offerings and certainly have profiles where they simply are the better choice to begin with


Best regards
Thomas


Bolded part is a total political cheap shot that does not belong on the civil aviation forum.

Its also not true.


Actually, many commercial orders are political move or favors. Especially for countries like China, Russia, etc.

Political favors always became one of the main factor for such orders. We know how these dirty business done.


Well thank you for the history lesson! I had no idea. Sic.

What he posted was 1) overtly political (non-av forum?), and 2) not true.
 
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Good to see designed in India assembled in US Boeing a/c getting new orders :)


What was Designed in India?
 
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Sat Jul 06, 2019 12:24 pm

SteelChair wrote:
ewt340 wrote:
SteelChair wrote:

Bolded part is a total political cheap shot that does not belong on the civil aviation forum.

Its also not true.


Actually, many commercial orders are political move or favors. Especially for countries like China, Russia, etc.

Political favors always became one of the main factor for such orders. We know how these dirty business done.


Well thank you for the history lesson! I had no idea. Sic.

What he posted was 1) overtly political (non-av forum?), and 2) not true.


As EWT pointed out that kind of stuff is a reality in aviation, and hence very much not non-av, and weather it is true or not for that specific personality is as far as we know currently being investigated from multiple angles.
Do you think China just magically happens to split its domestic market 50:50 on merit, or do they rather find it politically smart to be a big customer for a key company in both other big trading blocks without creating the impression of favouring one over the other?

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anshabhi wrote:
Good to see designed in India assembled in US Boeing a/c getting new orders :)


What was Designed in India?


Bloomberg recently blamed Indian engineers for B737max crashes

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -engineers

So India deserves the credit too !!
 
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Slash787 wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
Good to see designed in India assembled in US Boeing a/c getting new orders :)


What was Designed in India?


Bloomberg recently blamed Indian engineers for B737max crashes

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -engineers

So India deserves the credit too !!


Please do not spread misinformation.
Boeing said the company did not rely on engineers from HCL and Cyient for the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System, which has been linked to the Lion Air crash last October and the Ethiopian Airlines disaster in March. The Chicago-based planemaker also said it didn’t rely on either firm for another software issue disclosed after the crashes: a cockpit warning light that wasn’t working for most buyers.


The were not involved in the software design of the flawed systems. They blame Boeing for the general laying of of experienced engeneers, the outsourcing,, pressing suppliers to cut costs. e.g. at that time, the MAX was in developement.

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