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EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:29 pm

Flight global published this article: Operators of early A380s told to check for wing spar cracks

Also a link to the EASA safety publication.

Apperently cracks have been found in the outer rear spars of one of the early A380's. For now it only relates to the first 25 A380 wingsets build. Airbus is formulating a phased-array sonar wing inspection procedure. Within 180months after wing-box assembly date or 147months after Airbus manufacutting date the check should be completed. It has to be repeated every 36 months.

Afaik those first 25 A380 also have the wiring fix. I think it will be highly likely those will be parted out before D-check. Only the HiFly A380 has passed this to my knolage.
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Re: EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:31 pm

380 or 350?
 
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Re: EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:37 pm

It's the A380-800. And not the first time there are crack problems in early A380's.
 
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Re: EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:39 pm

380 in the EASA document
 
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Re: EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:43 pm

The first 25 have another reason to become orphans. Bummer, but not a huge deal.

All aircraft manufacturers can expect tougher terms on the first 18 to 30 months of production though.

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Re: EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:01 pm

The EASA directive states it concerns: MSN
6 - 17, 19 - 23, 25 - 27, 29, 33, 34, 38 & 40.
Most likely MSN 001 (Airbus test A380), and MSN002 & 004 displayed at musea and MSN 003 & 005 parted out were also involved. But they aren't in commercial service.

MSN018 and 024 were not build. The highest MSN with wiring fix was MSN025.

Let's say there won't be a shortage in spare parts.
 
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Re: EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Fri Jul 05, 2019 8:20 pm

Affected are:
Hi Fly Malta MSN006
Air France 2x msn033 & 040
Emirates 9x
Qantas 6x
Singapore Airlines 8x (already phased out 5)
And Lufthansa MSN038
 
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Re: EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:14 pm

I mean the first few dozen were gonna be sent to the scrapheap anyway no matter what. this probably just accelerates that a bit.
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Re: EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:21 pm

CFRPwingALbody wrote:
Affected are:
Hi Fly Malta MSN006
Air France 2x msn033 & 040
Emirates 9x
Qantas 6x
Singapore Airlines 8x (already phased out 5)
And Lufthansa MSN038

Is 038 being sold back to Airbus by LH?

Is 033 and 040 already scheduled to go back to Airbus by AF?

This could force a decision at QF on A380 replacement. Note: I expect them to keep some later for a long time.

I expect it just sealed the fate of 9x EK GP7200 powered aircraft. But a fleet review seems to already be in work.

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Re: EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:37 pm

lightsaber wrote:
The first 25 have another reason to become orphans. Bummer, but not a huge deal.

All aircraft manufacturers can expect tougher terms on the first 18 to 30 months of production though.

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Let's not be overly dramatic here. This is an inspect and repair regime and Airbus already has experience with cracks in the wings and repair of spars.
This is one of the advantages of the A380's massive size: access is a lot better and allows engineers to carry out repairs that would otherwise require ripping half the wing apart.
 
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Re: EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Fri Jul 05, 2019 9:46 pm

For the Wrong Wired TwentyTwo I indeed expected scraping. But for the MSN higher than 025 and MSN023 they had the correct wires. Thus this really is bad news for those.
Those will definitely not get outfitted with a new cabin.
Indeed I expect Airbus has to buy several of them back.
I think most will only be inspected once.

Although there are only 251 A380 going to be build. They can be subdivided in at least four different production blocks. This looks like effecting the first block (2007-2009) until they decreased wing mass. Later the wing was twisted differently and strengthened. If I'm not mistaken the lightened wings (standard 2) already had crack problems in brackets. Hopefully this doesn't effect the second production standard (build 2010-2012).
 
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Re: EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Fri Jul 05, 2019 11:39 pm

lightsaber wrote:
CFRPwingALbody wrote:
Affected are:
Hi Fly Malta MSN006
Air France 2x msn033 & 040
Emirates 9x
Qantas 6x
Singapore Airlines 8x (already phased out 5)
And Lufthansa MSN038

Is 038 being sold back to Airbus by LH?

Is 033 and 040 already scheduled to go back to Airbus by AF?

This could force a decision at QF on A380 replacement. Note: I expect them to keep some later for a long time.

I expect it just sealed the fate of 9x EK GP7200 powered aircraft. But a fleet review seems to already be in work.

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Off topic, but agree on QF. Though they would like to get rid of them, they serve a purpose and will be kept flying until they’re uneconomical to do so. They are not loved but they’re stuck with them unless they want to write off a huge investment.

Though how much the value of the planes actually is given all the A380 news recently is an interesting accounting question. For another time :-)
 
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Re: EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Sat Jul 06, 2019 3:49 am

If I'm not mistaken, a little over 100 A380s were affected by the wing rib cracks and had to get new redesigned ones fitted. Given that roughly the first quarter of those are the ones to be checked, these probably didnt get the final fix. Most likely "prototype" fixes. If these were refitted later on, I would think all A380s would be included in this check since they all use the redesign now. But as noted, these are all most likely destined for the scrap heap anyway.
Except Hi Fly's for now anyway. I'm sure SQ's returned frames have already been inspected though.
 
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Re: EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Sat Jul 06, 2019 4:46 am

147 months is conveniently timed for after EK end of lease, so an issue for the ultimate owner, not the operator.

Interesting to see if DNATA perform the inspection and rectification work at DXB. If they do, either a revenue earner, and/or indicates an intention to extend part of the A380 fleet beyond the current lease terms.
 
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Re: EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Sat Jul 06, 2019 6:05 am

QF is about to spend big $s refurbing all 12, and have recently repainted 9/12 so they aren't going anywhere soon.
 
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Potentially new issue with A380 Wings

Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:53 pm

Apparently, there is some kind of new crack development issue with the A380 wing spars. A special inspection program is being set up for the 1st 25 A380's (that may be sold, and does not seem to include test/development aircraft).

I hope this turns out to be relatively minor, and cheap to fix (or contain).

Aviation Weekly article: Cracks Trigger Airbus A380 Wing-Spar Inspections

https://aviationweek.com/commercial-avi ... a5ad87c0ad

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Re: EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:35 pm

smartplane wrote:
147 months is conveniently timed for after EK end of lease, so an issue for the ultimate owner, not the operator.

Interesting to see if DNATA perform the inspection and rectification work at DXB. If they do, either a revenue earner, and/or indicates an intention to extend part of the A380 fleet beyond the current lease terms.

Exact tekst of the AD :
"Within 180 months since the applicable wing box assembly date, or within 147 months since Airbus date of manufacture, whichever occurs first after the effective date of this AD, and, thereafter, at intervals not to exceed 36 months (see Note 1 of this AD), accomplish an SDI of the affected areas in accordance with the instructions of the SB."

Seen the also attached list of wing box assembly dates :
MSN 007 (Emirates) has to be checked before 01 August 2019 ( 180 months -15 years - after the wing box assembly date : 01 August 2004)
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Re: EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:04 am

Flightglobal released an article about the new A380 wing problem.
Asias older A380s subject to wing spar check.

Singapore Airlines has
four A380s — registrations 9V-SKF, -SKG, -SKH, and -SKI.

So they have one more than I counted. They already checked two.

Meanwhile, Qantas confirms that six of its 12 A380s will require inspection.
 
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Re: EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:05 am

Can someone tell me why this inspection is related to time since manufacture and not flight hours?
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Re: EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:26 am

Of those checked so far, have cracks requiring downtime been found? Per FG, QF's first two checked are clear.
 
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Re: EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:08 am

smartplane wrote:
147 months is conveniently timed for after EK end of lease, so an issue for the ultimate owner, not the operator.

Interesting to see if DNATA perform the inspection and rectification work at DXB. If they do, either a revenue earner, and/or indicates an intention to extend part of the A380 fleet beyond the current lease terms.

DNATA? I think you mean Emirates Engineering. DNATA is mainly ground handling etc.
 
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Re: EASA: Check for cracks in A380 outer rear spar.

Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:07 pm

RB211trent wrote:
smartplane wrote:
147 months is conveniently timed for after EK end of lease, so an issue for the ultimate owner, not the operator.

Interesting to see if DNATA perform the inspection and rectification work at DXB. If they do, either a revenue earner, and/or indicates an intention to extend part of the A380 fleet beyond the current lease terms.

DNATA? I think you mean Emirates Engineering. DNATA is mainly ground handling etc.

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