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SteelChair
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Re: Delta A220 route additions

Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:12 pm

gsg013 wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

Stay away from the controlled substances. DL isn't going to replace 91 717s, 57 319s, 62 320s and 77 738s by 2026 -- not with A220s, not with anything. Not when they've got lots of 767s and 757s to replace in that same window -- capital spending constraints won't support it and the 4% annual domestic growth they recently targeted. Your's is the worst kind of uninformed fanboiism.


The youngest of the planes you mentioned is already almost 20 years old, the oldest are almost 30 years old. It doesn't seem outrageous to suggest that they would all be replaced within 7 to 8 years from now. That's just a cold hard calculation of the factual numbers of the age of the fleet and has nothing to do with fanboyism. Your emotional ad hominem attack is not based upon facts.

But okay I'll bite if they don't get replaced with a 220s what do they get replaced with? Too heavy and sub optimized a320neos? Not likely. 737 Maxes that that are currently grounded and based on 1968 technology? Not likely... it could happen, either could happen but it's not likely


Have you heard of a 797? I strongly believe DL will make a 797 order to start replacing some of the lift described above (737-900s, 757-200, 767-300).

Current Narrow Body Orders are as follows:
737-900ER: (180 pax) 1
A220-100: (109 pax) 27
A220-300: (130 pax) 50
A321-200CEO: (191 Pax) 46
A321-NEO: (197 pax) 100

This alone is 224 brand new narrow bodies coming online between now and 2025 This averages 3.1 new NB a month added to the fleet in that time Frame.

I have no clue what the need will be but I think a large 797 order as well as top offs on some of the above stated orders will be good for DL.


I agree, but the 797 will cover the larger airplanes. I thought we wer talking about 160 seats and down. 224 is not enough imo.
 
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Re: Delta A220 route additions

Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:23 pm

SteelChair wrote:
gsg013 wrote:
SteelChair wrote:

The youngest of the planes you mentioned is already almost 20 years old, the oldest are almost 30 years old. It doesn't seem outrageous to suggest that they would all be replaced within 7 to 8 years from now. That's just a cold hard calculation of the factual numbers of the age of the fleet and has nothing to do with fanboyism. Your emotional ad hominem attack is not based upon facts.

But okay I'll bite if they don't get replaced with a 220s what do they get replaced with? Too heavy and sub optimized a320neos? Not likely. 737 Maxes that that are currently grounded and based on 1968 technology? Not likely... it could happen, either could happen but it's not likely


Have you heard of a 797? I strongly believe DL will make a 797 order to start replacing some of the lift described above (737-900s, 757-200, 767-300).

Current Narrow Body Orders are as follows:
737-900ER: (180 pax) 1
A220-100: (109 pax) 27
A220-300: (130 pax) 50
A321-200CEO: (191 Pax) 46
A321-NEO: (197 pax) 100

This alone is 224 brand new narrow bodies coming online between now and 2025 This averages 3.1 new NB a month added to the fleet in that time Frame.

I have no clue what the need will be but I think a large 797 order as well as top offs on some of the above stated orders will be good for DL.


I agree, but the 797 will cover the larger airplanes. I thought we wer talking about 160 seats and down. 224 is not enough imo.


Agree they will need more than 224 to cover the replacements but they will add more orders but they do have some time.. I wouldn't be surprised for some more A321's added and maybe an additional 50-100 A220.
 
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Re: Delta A220 route additions

Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:58 pm

gsg013 wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
gsg013 wrote:

Have you heard of a 797? I strongly believe DL will make a 797 order to start replacing some of the lift described above (737-900s, 757-200, 767-300).

Current Narrow Body Orders are as follows:
737-900ER: (180 pax) 1
A220-100: (109 pax) 27
A220-300: (130 pax) 50
A321-200CEO: (191 Pax) 46
A321-NEO: (197 pax) 100

This alone is 224 brand new narrow bodies coming online between now and 2025 This averages 3.1 new NB a month added to the fleet in that time Frame.

I have no clue what the need will be but I think a large 797 order as well as top offs on some of the above stated orders will be good for DL.


I agree, but the 797 will cover the larger airplanes. I thought we wer talking about 160 seats and down. 224 is not enough imo.


Agree they will need more than 224 to cover the replacements but they will add more orders but they do have some time.. I wouldn't be surprised for some more A321's added and maybe an additional 50-100 A220.


In your accounting 2 posts back, you didn't reference the 100 A321N options. Those will definitely be exercised imho. However, thats still not enough imho and it doesn't address the gap between the A220-300 (132 seats) and the 739 (180 seats) After more than 40 years (727-200 then MD88), I don't think the 150 seat (149 really) segment will be abandoned. Thus my prediction of launching th A220-500. If Delta wants it , Airbus will build it. Airbus waited too long to get Delta in their portfolio to lose them now.
 
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Re: Delta A220 route additions

Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:48 pm

SteelChair wrote:
gsg013 wrote:
SteelChair wrote:

I agree, but the 797 will cover the larger airplanes. I thought we wer talking about 160 seats and down. 224 is not enough imo.


Agree they will need more than 224 to cover the replacements but they will add more orders but they do have some time.. I wouldn't be surprised for some more A321's added and maybe an additional 50-100 A220.


In your accounting 2 posts back, you didn't reference the 100 A321N options. Those will definitely be exercised imho. However, thats still not enough imho and it doesn't address the gap between the A220-300 (132 seats) and the 739 (180 seats) After more than 40 years (727-200 then MD88), I don't think the 150 seat (149 really) segment will be abandoned. Thus my prediction of launching th A220-500. If Delta wants it , Airbus will build it. Airbus waited too long to get Delta in their portfolio to lose them now.


I look at 321 routes now and do see it doing a lot of 88 runs now out of Atlanta and some of the other bases. Just cut frequency without cutting much capacity. They love the reliability of a new already well proven jet... funny how that works. $*@##%*@. Gives us with the 100 options a bus fleet of nearly 450.

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Re: Delta A220 route additions

Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:12 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
freakyrat wrote:
I didn't know that there were two Project Propel's One by Delta dealing with Pilot hiring and the one by the local business communities of SBN and GRR to get businesses to commit to fly locally. That Project Propel has been a success for both of the airports. GRR will fly over a million passengers this year and SBN a little over 750,000 if trends continue. This is good news for all the airlines. Delta has been occasionally integrating CRJ7 and CRJ9 aircraft into SBN to be able to offer First Class seating which boost's yields. With the introduction of the A220 this frees up these larger RJ's to be able to offer better service in the secondary markets.


How long did the CR7/9s last in SBN? Seems like they’re going to last much longer schedule wise in FWA than they did in SBN


Several months and it was due to OO having a large amount of CRJ2's in for Maintenance. Endeavor had to cover an Evening flight from SBN-DTW and also one SBN-ATL besides their regular CRJ9 Midday ATL flight which lasted for about 3 or 4 months. All SBN DL flights have resumed on CRJ2's from OO however OO has been freely substituting CRJ7's in on SBN-ATL flights depending on traffic.
 
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Re: Delta A220 route additions

Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:28 am

freakyrat wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
freakyrat wrote:
I didn't know that there were two Project Propel's One by Delta dealing with Pilot hiring and the one by the local business communities of SBN and GRR to get businesses to commit to fly locally. That Project Propel has been a success for both of the airports. GRR will fly over a million passengers this year and SBN a little over 750,000 if trends continue. This is good news for all the airlines. Delta has been occasionally integrating CRJ7 and CRJ9 aircraft into SBN to be able to offer First Class seating which boost's yields. With the introduction of the A220 this frees up these larger RJ's to be able to offer better service in the secondary markets.


How long did the CR7/9s last in SBN? Seems like they’re going to last much longer schedule wise in FWA than they did in SBN


Several months and it was due to OO having a large amount of CRJ2's in for Maintenance. Endeavor had to cover an Evening flight from SBN-DTW and also one SBN-ATL besides their regular CRJ9 Midday ATL flight which lasted for about 3 or 4 months. All SBN DL flights have resumed on CRJ2's from OO however OO has been freely substituting CRJ7's in on SBN-ATL flights depending on traffic.


If SBN sticks with a 900 as scheduled, I’d expect it to be 9E consistently, just due to the number of CR9 at 9E vs OO. Operational reliability will be better as well.

FWA has had a 9E CR9 for the last month, and it’s a 9E CR7 for June and July at least before going back to a scheduled CR9, for now
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Re: Delta A220 route additions

Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:10 am

gsg013 wrote:
fly4ever78 wrote:
MavyWavyATR wrote:
Honestly surprised that DL hasn't deployed them to EYW yet. Could it make the return trip to ATL with a full load compared to the weight restricted 73G's?


I have flown the 737-700 in and out of EYW several times and there has never been a weight restriction or an issue departing to ATL. Unless you are referring to the 1 checked bag limit on that flight? I have never not been able to take a full plane out.


The one checked bag is not intended because of going ATL-EYW it is the the return EYW-ATL the runway at EYW is 4800 feet and 3 feet above sea level. When you take the 737-700 and the CR-700 out of EYW they often hold at the end of the runway with the brakes engaged while the engines gun to nearly max thrust then release the breaks and the plane takes off like a rocket ship. I could see the A220 as a good candidate at some point into and out of EYW. Don't think it will happen for some time though.


I am aware of that. I fly the 737 in and out of EYW. The Standing takeoff you are referring to is a company procedure, not because the plane is too heavy or weight restricted. Even if the plane was empty, it would be required. It's a very fun place to fly to!
 
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Re: Delta A220 route additions

Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:20 am

By the way? Any data on How reliable the airplane is performing Maintenance wise in Reliability? It looks like a nice airplane but looks can be deceiving
 
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Re: Delta A220 route additions

Wed Jun 12, 2019 4:44 am

LAXBUR wrote:
compensateme wrote:
LAXBUR wrote:

This keeps getting better. Are any of you familiar with these airports? BFI, IFP, and LMT have NO service from any airline. BFI will get JetSuite X. There’s 20,000 people in LMT. I mean REALLY!?!? IDA doesn’t even have service to SEA on any airline. Yet you want Delta to fly to ATL? Maybe they should build international terminals too and Qantas can fly to those cities! It would be nice if real talk was enforced on this page. Aren’t there other places to go to set up fantasy airlines?


You do realize ATL prints money for DL, and the reason many of these cities lack service is that until now, there wasn’t an aircraft that could economically connect them to ATL? The 220 is a game changer.


If you think a low income city of 20,000 in Western Oregon will get service to Atlanta then I’m unsure of your understanding of basic economics much less the airline industry. Utterly ridiculous.


Other than the fact that my dad lives in LMT, the economy and population isn’t exactly booming. LMT doesn’t even have Q400s to PDX or SFO, although it could support some limited service there. RDM-ATL is a long shot too, but at least in some distant realm of possibility with an A220 a few days a week seasonally.
 
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SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:34 am

Delta, which recently introduced the new 109-seat Airbus A220 on two of its six daily San Jose-Seattle flights, has scheduled deployment of the plane on more Bay Area routes. Recent Delta route filings reported by Routesonline.com indicate that it plans to start flying the A220 between San Francisco and Seattle on August 13 and SFO-Salt Lake City on August 31, although it didn't say how many flights a day would use the new aircraft. Other markets where the Delta A220s will start flying include New York LaGuardia-Ft. Myers and LaGuardia-New Orleans on August 31; Orange County-Salt Lake City September 2; Seattle-Denver and Seattle-Fairbanks October 1; and Detroit-Austin, New York JFK-Ft. Myers, JFK-Tampa, JFK-West Palm Beach, Seattle-Portland, and Salt Lake City to Atlanta, Las Vegas, JFK and Seattle, all starting December 21.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfgate ... 073688.php

We’re finally starting to see actual A220 action in non-hub markets! Are there a lot of deliveries coming in between now and the end of 2019, or is it all just thinly spread out?

Nothing replacing the ATL MD88s and MD90s (just 737s and A320s).
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:58 am

ATL-SLC is interesting, usually much larger planes are on that, even the 767-300 had daily flights in the past.
 
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:10 am

BenflysDTW wrote:
ATL-SLC is interesting, usually much larger planes are on that, even the 767-300 had daily flights in the past.


I believe it was noted in another thread that the seats are on an incremental flight (or flights)?
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:10 am

BenflysDTW wrote:
ATL-SLC is interesting, usually much larger planes are on that, even the 767-300 had daily flights in the past.


Probably for positioning…
 
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:15 am

BenflysDTW wrote:
ATL-SLC is interesting, usually much larger planes are on that, even the 767-300 had daily flights in the past.


Hub-to-hub repositioning flights, perhaps?
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:26 am

BenflysDTW wrote:
ATL-SLC is interesting, usually much larger planes are on that, even the 767-300 had daily flights in the past.


Those flights were operated by the domestic 763. One of the flights was ATL-SLC-HNL.
 
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:27 am

Gulfstream500 wrote:
Delta, which recently introduced the new 109-seat Airbus A220 on two of its six daily San Jose-Seattle flights, has scheduled deployment of the plane on more Bay Area routes. Recent Delta route filings reported by Routesonline.com indicate that it plans to start flying the A220 between San Francisco and Seattle on August 13 and SFO-Salt Lake City on August 31, although it didn't say how many flights a day would use the new aircraft. Other markets where the Delta A220s will start flying include New York LaGuardia-Ft. Myers and LaGuardia-New Orleans on August 31; Orange County-Salt Lake City September 2; Seattle-Denver and Seattle-Fairbanks October 1; and Detroit-Austin, New York JFK-Ft. Myers, JFK-Tampa, JFK-West Palm Beach, Seattle-Portland, and Salt Lake City to Atlanta, Las Vegas, JFK and Seattle, all starting December 21.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sfgate ... 073688.php

We’re finally starting to see actual A220 action in non-hub markets! Are there a lot of deliveries coming in between now and the end of 2019, or is it all just thinly spread out?

Nothing replacing the ATL MD88s and MD90s (just 737s and A320s).


SEA-FAI. Just goes to show how the 221 is going to free up E75 flying.
 
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:33 am

Almost all of the markets listed are downgauges, unless they are adding frequencies.
 
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:36 am

afcjets wrote:
Almost all of the markets listed are downgauges, unless they are adding frequencies.


As far as SEA, the A220 is probably appropriate for the flights during the slow season.
 
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:44 am

Well, the CS100 is flying JFK-SLC, which is a legacy 737-900ER route.
To me, it will always be:
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:48 am

afcjets wrote:
Almost all of the markets listed are downgauges, unless they are adding frequencies.


I know SEA-FAI was an E175. SLC-SNA and SEA-DEN are both routinely flown by 717s, representing a single-seat downgauge. The critical part here is that Delta has not yet divulged the frequencies. Will be interesting to see how many dailies we have on SLC-ATL once the A220 is thrown in the mix.
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:48 am

Ionosphere wrote:
BenflysDTW wrote:
ATL-SLC is interesting, usually much larger planes are on that, even the 767-300 had daily flights in the past.


Those flights were operated by the domestic 763. One of the flights was ATL-SLC-HNL.


I think SLC-HNL is a 752 now. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 3:56 am

maps4ltd wrote:
Ionosphere wrote:
BenflysDTW wrote:
ATL-SLC is interesting, usually much larger planes are on that, even the 767-300 had daily flights in the past.


Those flights were operated by the domestic 763. One of the flights was ATL-SLC-HNL.


I think SLC-HNL is a 752 now. Correct me if I'm wrong.


I was referring to flights circa 2012/2013. Yes now SLC-HNL is on the 752.
 
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:06 am

maps4ltd wrote:
Ionosphere wrote:
BenflysDTW wrote:
ATL-SLC is interesting, usually much larger planes are on that, even the 767-300 had daily flights in the past.


Those flights were operated by the domestic 763. One of the flights was ATL-SLC-HNL.


I think SLC-HNL is a 752 now. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Interesting. I didn't know the 757 could do it. Especially in the summer with the heat and altitude of SLC. I thought they would just run it with a 763ER. Big drop in capacity.
 
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:28 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
Interesting. I didn't know the 757 could do it.

That's nothing.

TW used to fly 757s eastbound HNL-STL nonstop, nearly 1200mi longer than SLC.
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 4:35 am

BenflysDTW wrote:
ATL-SLC is interesting, usually much larger planes are on that, even the 767-300 had daily flights in the past.


Still does.
 
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:10 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
Interesting. I didn't know the 757 could do it. Especially in the summer with the heat and altitude of SLC. I thought they would just run it with a 763ER. Big drop in capacity.


United used to use 757's on DEN-HNL just a few years ago, during the off-season months. To the other islands, as well.


LAX772LR wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
Interesting. I didn't know the 757 could do it.

That's nothing.

TW used to fly 757s eastbound HNL-STL nonstop, nearly 1200mi longer than SLC.


I'm fairly sure his expressed surprise was in reference to the takeoff performance challenges of SLC, not the eastbound range out of HNL.
 
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:08 am

maps4ltd wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Almost all of the markets listed are downgauges, unless they are adding frequencies.


I know SEA-FAI was an E175. SLC-SNA and SEA-DEN are both routinely flown by 717s, representing a single-seat downgauge. The critical part here is that Delta has not yet divulged the frequencies. Will be interesting to see how many dailies we have on SLC-ATL once the A220 is thrown in the mix.


Isn’t DL using the 717 on SJC-SEA? Or is it only SJC-LAX? Maybe the A220 is a 717 replacement?
 
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:20 am

AirFiero wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Almost all of the markets listed are downgauges, unless they are adding frequencies.


I know SEA-FAI was an E175. SLC-SNA and SEA-DEN are both routinely flown by 717s, representing a single-seat downgauge. The critical part here is that Delta has not yet divulged the frequencies. Will be interesting to see how many dailies we have on SLC-ATL once the A220 is thrown in the mix.


Isn’t DL using the 717 on SJC-SEA? Or is it only SJC-LAX? Maybe the A220 is a 717 replacement?


It is in a way, the 717s are moving back to the east coast. Should be more efficient crew scheduling wise.
 
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:30 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
BenflysDTW wrote:
ATL-SLC is interesting, usually much larger planes are on that, even the 767-300 had daily flights in the past.


Hub-to-hub repositioning flights, perhaps?


A problem with that line of thinking is that it doesn't explain where it continues ATL-XXX. Are there 220 maintenance duties done at ATL?
 
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Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:46 pm

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MIflyer12 wrote:
ctrabs0114 wrote:
BenflysDTW wrote:
ATL-SLC is interesting, usually much larger planes are on that, even the 767-300 had daily flights in the past.


Hub-to-hub repositioning flights, perhaps?


A problem with that line of thinking is that it doesn't explain where it continues ATL-XXX. Are there 220 maintenance duties done at ATL?


The SLC-ATL-SLC rotation will be:
DL2891 SLC-20:19 ATL-01:59
DL0358 ATL-06:25 SLC-08:44
 
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:51 pm

Surprised not to see ONT get some C-Series (A220) love for their ONT-SLC ops. Since they use the 717, A319, CRJ's, and once in a blue moon the 738.
 
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:26 pm

AirFiero wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Almost all of the markets listed are downgauges, unless they are adding frequencies.


I know SEA-FAI was an E175. SLC-SNA and SEA-DEN are both routinely flown by 717s, representing a single-seat downgauge. The critical part here is that Delta has not yet divulged the frequencies. Will be interesting to see how many dailies we have on SLC-ATL once the A220 is thrown in the mix.


Isn’t DL using the 717 on SJC-SEA? Or is it only SJC-LAX? Maybe the A220 is a 717 replacement?


DL has never used the 717 for SJC-SEA. The route started with SkyWest CRJ7/9s and is now E75s with a combination of SkyWest and Compass. LAX hasn't had 717s for a little while, and the route is now all E75. The A220 replaced the 717 on the SLC flight.
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:30 pm

FlightLevel360 wrote:
Well, the CS100 is flying JFK-SLC, which is a legacy 737-900ER route.


No its not, Delta does not operate any CS100.
 
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:52 pm

Re Delta deliveries this year they've firmly reported receiving 24 this year, and the 15th one is in test flights so 10 more to go.

Noteworthy, the reported 24 predates RedWings cancelling their 6 A220 (all set for 2019 delivery) and more importantly predates Deltas top off order for 5 at Paris air show. So it is within the realm of possibility they increased and are getting more than 24 which means more than 10 for the rest of the year.
 
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 7:57 pm

mikejepp wrote:
FlightLevel360 wrote:
Well, the CS100 is flying JFK-SLC, which is a legacy 737-900ER route.


No its not, Delta does not operate any CS100.


Dont be so unequivocal. You know there are marketing names and certification names also, right. Like the BD500m
 
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:01 pm

SEA-FAI. Just goes to show how the 221 is going to free up E75 flying.[/quote]

That an optimistic way of looking at it. Compass's contract is up June 2020 and there has been no talk of an extension. So free up, or just take...take your guess
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Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:02 pm

Amaazing list of cities for an airplane that some originally, and erroneously, deemed an MD88 replacement.

Flying literally to the four corners of the contiguous USA plus Alaska. And (pretty much) an upgrade across the board from what is currently serving those markets.

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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:03 pm

mikejepp wrote:
No its not, Delta does not operate any CS100.


For the record, the A220 has CS100 painted on its nose. ;)
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:08 pm

mikejepp wrote:
FlightLevel360 wrote:
Well, the CS100 is flying JFK-SLC, which is a legacy 737-900ER route.


No its not, Delta does not operate any CS100.


[photoid]https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Delta%27s_Airbus_A220_(43954689304).jpg[/photoid]

Or so you thought...

Maybe you have been living under a rock for a few months now.

Great job to the Canadians!

EDIT: Can someone help me figure out how to insert the photo?
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:23 am

I am perplexed as to when this was announced.

I have been booked on the A220 on both SLC- SFO (in September) and SLC-SNA (in December) for at least three months now...
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:37 am

I do hope we'll see more A220 action at DEN. Just moved away from SEA last year and the fan inside of me is sad to see the A220 presence getting larger at SEA (just want to check the A220 out).

maps4ltd wrote:
afcjets wrote:
Almost all of the markets listed are downgauges, unless they are adding frequencies.


I know SEA-FAI was an E175. SLC-SNA and SEA-DEN are both routinely flown by 717s, representing a single-seat downgauge. The critical part here is that Delta has not yet divulged the frequencies. Will be interesting to see how many dailies we have on SLC-ATL once the A220 is thrown in the mix.


Anecdotally, I have flown the DEN-SEA route about once a month since moving to CO. I have been on the 717 and 737 flights (I recall 738, but maybe a 739). Always at least 90% load factor. Missed my 6:30AM flight once, and was told (again anecdotal) by the gate agent that the following flights were "all looking very full." So just from my experience (which is of course not all encompassing), I don't see why the A220 would ever be used unless it had to be due to equipment availability on the route! I do hope to catch an A220 flight put of DEN though...

Again, anecdotally, going off my experience with SEA-West Coast flights on Delta.... the A220 always seemed like a great choice for these flights. Those AM Shuttle flights were always packed since they started. At the time I moved away from SEA, the later flights avg LFs seemed to be going up.

I prefer Delta for largely personal reasons, so DL's presence in DEN (or lack thereof) has made me a sad little avgeek. Nice to see the CSeries proliferating.

My little fantasy is to see F9 have a token CSeries fleet out of DEN. Perhaps in a slightly different time/environment that would have been an inevitability.
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:01 am

as739x wrote:
SEA-FAI. Just goes to show how the 221 is going to free up E75 flying.


That an optimistic way of looking at it. Compass's contract is up June 2020 and there has been no talk of an extension. So free up, or just take...take your guess[/quote]

The contract might be up, but the planes certainly won't leave Delta Connection. Just moved to another carrier, expect 2 DCI carriers to disappear in the next year.
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:03 am

many321 wrote:
Surprised not to see ONT get some C-Series (A220) love for their ONT-SLC ops. Since they use the 717, A319, CRJ's, and once in a blue moon the 738.


A B738 once in a blue moon? DAL1788 SLC-ONT and DAL2153 ONT-SLC has been a B738 for quite a while now. This past week they were also running a B738 on the early daytime flight. We have not had a B712 or A319 in a while.
 
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:08 am

Why do some people seem upset the A220 is taking over certain routes? By all means it's an upgrade compared to any other narrowbody.
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:55 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
Ionosphere wrote:

Those flights were operated by the domestic 763. One of the flights was ATL-SLC-HNL.


I think SLC-HNL is a 752 now. Correct me if I'm wrong.


Interesting. I didn't know the 757 could do it. Especially in the summer with the heat and altitude of SLC. I thought they would just run it with a 763ER. Big drop in capacity.


Guess you bought into the 757 haters that say an A321 can do anything a 757 can do since it carries as many people and has the same range. Difference is the 757 has the muscle and larger wing to carry a good payload from hot/high or short field airports. Yes there is a capacity drop from the 763ER but Delta is using 199 seat 757s on the route so not that big of change. Except passenger comfort.
 
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:16 pm

FlightLevel360 wrote:
mikejepp wrote:
FlightLevel360 wrote:
Well, the CS100 is flying JFK-SLC, which is a legacy 737-900ER route.


No its not, Delta does not operate any CS100.


[photoid]https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Delta%27s_Airbus_A220_(43954689304).jpg[/photoid]

Or so you thought...

Maybe you have been living under a rock for a few months now.

Great job to the Canadians!

EDIT: Can someone help me figure out how to insert the photo?


Thats an A220.
 
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:48 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
as739x wrote:
SEA-FAI. Just goes to show how the 221 is going to free up E75 flying.


That an optimistic way of looking at it. Compass's contract is up June 2020 and there has been no talk of an extension. So free up, or just take...take your guess


The contract might be up, but the planes certainly won't leave Delta Connection. Just moved to another carrier, expect 2 DCI carriers to disappear in the next year.[/quote]

Does DL own the aircraft or does CP? How would that work if Trans States/Compass owns the frames...Do you think that Compass/GoJet are the two carriers getting the heave-ho?
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:19 pm

Ionosphere wrote:
maps4ltd wrote:
Ionosphere wrote:

Those flights were operated by the domestic 763. One of the flights was ATL-SLC-HNL.


I think SLC-HNL is a 752 now. Correct me if I'm wrong.


I was referring to flights circa 2012/2013. Yes now SLC-HNL is on the 752.



Seasonally this route flies on an A330.
 
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:31 pm

EMB170 wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
as739x wrote:
SEA-FAI. Just goes to show how the 221 is going to free up E75 flying.


That an optimistic way of looking at it. Compass's contract is up June 2020 and there has been no talk of an extension. So free up, or just take...take your guess


The contract might be up, but the planes certainly won't leave Delta Connection. Just moved to another carrier, expect 2 DCI carriers to disappear in the next year.


Does DL own the aircraft or does CP? How would that work if Trans States/Compass owns the frames...Do you think that Compass/GoJet are the two carriers getting the heave-ho?[/quote]

Delta owns all the CP birds as well as most of the G7 birds. Take that for what it's worth, but it makes it very easy to move frames to another carrier/carriers.
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Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:01 pm

EMB170 wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
as739x wrote:
SEA-FAI. Just goes to show how the 221 is going to free up E75 flying.


That an optimistic way of looking at it. Compass's contract is up June 2020 and there has been no talk of an extension. So free up, or just take...take your guess


The contract might be up, but the planes certainly won't leave Delta Connection. Just moved to another carrier, expect 2 DCI carriers to disappear in the next year.


Does DL own the aircraft or does CP? How would that work if Trans States/Compass owns the frames...Do you think that Compass/GoJet are the two carriers getting the heave-ho?[/quote]
I believe that they are owned by DL.

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