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Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 6:55 am

Looking for some flights to the NYC area, and came across that Delta going to be starting JFK - IAH in the fall, seems like a competition now as Jetblue has also announced JFK - IAH.

DL1881 and DL2708 are the flight numbers, it seems it will be a twice daily flight.

Can't seem to find a article to prove this, though if anyone has more info please share!
 
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:00 am

Be interesting to see how/if UA retaliates... not really sure what's left for them to do: hopping back on ATL-LAX would be financial suicide, against DL widebodies + NK and WN.
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 8:05 am

Hoping Delta can start IAH - SEA, BOS, MCO, RDU, and LAX.
 
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:44 am

Nice find, OP! Looks like it will be 2x daily on the A220 starting with the new winter schedule on Oct 27, 2019:

DL2395 JFK 0800 IAH 1119
DL1921 JFK 1455 IAH 1814

DL2395 IAH 1158 JFK 1622
DL1921 IAH 1822 JFK 2245
 
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:40 am

LAX772LR wrote:
Be interesting to see how/if UA retaliates... not really sure what's left for them to do: hopping back on ATL-LAX would be financial suicide, against DL widebodies + NK and WN.


Plus there's AA and Frontier on ATLLAX as well.
 
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:48 am

LH658 wrote:
Hoping Delta can start IAH - SEA, BOS, MCO, RDU, and LAX.


I don't see DL starting IAH-SEA with UA, AS, NK already on what is probably a fairly thin O&D route. HOU/IAH-MCO has UA, F9, NK and WN into what's primarily a leisure/convention market.

IAH-LAX? Sure, with the next wave of LAX expansion. DL has already been willing to poke the AA bear on DFW-LAX.
 
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 12:45 pm

panamair wrote:
Nice find, OP! Looks like it will be 2x daily on the A220 starting with the new winter schedule on Oct 27, 2019:

DL2395 JFK 0800 IAH 1119
DL1921 JFK 1455 IAH 1814

DL2395 IAH 1158 JFK 1622
DL1921 IAH 1822 JFK 2245

I find these schedules so weird, for the very specific minutes .. I think in Europe the schedules are only set at minutes that are multiples of 5! Is it true or I am wrong?
 
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:43 pm

Didn’t Delta fly this in the past? I seem to remember they tried IAH and HOU. This always seemed to me a route Delta should be able to make work.
 
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 1:49 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Be interesting to see how/if UA retaliates... not really sure what's left for them to do: hopping back on ATL-LAX would be financial suicide, against DL widebodies + NK and WN.


Given their massive amounts of service to JFK, why would they? If DL were launching EWR-IAH, that'd be a different story.
 
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 2:52 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Be interesting to see how/if UA retaliates... not really sure what's left for them to do: hopping back on ATL-LAX would be financial suicide, against DL widebodies + NK and WN.

Why would UA need to retaliate when its B6 that already flies JFK-HOU? Secondly 2x A220 daily pose no threat to UA's hub to hub EWR-IAH-EWR flights.
 
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:33 pm

jayunited wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Be interesting to see how/if UA retaliates... not really sure what's left for them to do: hopping back on ATL-LAX would be financial suicide, against DL widebodies + NK and WN.

Why would UA need to retaliate when its B6 that already flies JFK-HOU? Secondly 2x A220 daily pose no threat to UA's hub to hub EWR-IAH-EWR flights.

If anything it's DL retaliating against B6 for switching to IAH, IMO.
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 5:40 pm

If it a A220 service that is great! IAH is going to add a bit of capacity you can say this year from ET, B6 JFK & BOS, and now another JFK flight. That will make it 3 daily flights to JFK excluding flights to EWR and LGA. Last time IAH seen such a increase of destinations was like in 2013 - 2014.
 
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:17 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Be interesting to see how/if UA retaliates... not really sure what's left for them to do: hopping back on ATL-LAX would be financial suicide, against DL widebodies + NK and WN.


There’s nothing to retaliate against for UA. UA doesn’t fly to JFK and two 220s is hardly going to cut into the service they have to EWR and LGA.

If anything it’s shot across the bow to B6.
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:59 pm

Interesting that the JFK originating flights leave before most of the European flights arrive.
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:15 pm

avi8 wrote:
Interesting that the JFK originating flights leave before most of the European flights arrive.


That makes this a straight up fight against B6 then.
I'm surprised they'd want to add this. More NY passengers on domestic travel would want the flights to/from LGA, not from JFK.
 
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:43 pm

Is DL using a different a/c for the evening return? I know DL runs a good operation but even they most likely can't turn an A220 in 8 minutes.
 
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 10:46 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Be interesting to see how/if UA retaliates... not really sure what's left for them to do: hopping back on ATL-LAX would be financial suicide, against DL widebodies + NK and WN.


There’s nothing to retaliate against for UA. UA doesn’t fly to JFK and two 220s is hardly going to cut into the service they have to EWR and LGA.

If anything it’s shot across the bow to B6.

Considering one of the flights cannot be fed by the EU bank, a challenge. Cest la vie.

This is exactly what the A220 is for, lower cost route starts. If justified, upgauge.

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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:06 pm

This is on the CS100 correct? It seems DL's NY-Texas flights are all getting the new north american bird.
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Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:20 pm

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This is on the CS100 correct? It seems DL's NY-Texas flights are all getting the new north american bird.


The aircraft formerly knows as the CS100, yes.
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:29 pm

IAH is a much weaker market than people think. The general decline of the oil industry has reduced international service. There’s just not enough room for DL to have a larger operation. It’s not like DFW where there was already an existing DL FF base left over from the hub days.
 
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:40 pm

AZa346 wrote:
panamair wrote:
Nice find, OP! Looks like it will be 2x daily on the A220 starting with the new winter schedule on Oct 27, 2019:

DL2395 JFK 0800 IAH 1119
DL1921 JFK 1455 IAH 1814

DL2395 IAH 1158 JFK 1622
DL1921 IAH 1822 JFK 2245

I find these schedules so weird, for the very specific minutes .. I think in Europe the schedules are only set at minutes that are multiples of 5! Is it true or I am wrong?


Very common in the USA to have flights leave at "any minute" and not just multiple of 5 minutes.
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:52 pm

WWads wrote:
IAH is a much weaker market than people think. The general decline of the oil industry has reduced international service. There’s just not enough room for DL to have a larger operation. It’s not like DFW where there was already an existing DL FF base left over from the hub days.


This is spoken like someone who doesn’t know anything about the Houston market.

1) International traffic is up, not down at IAH.
2) Yeah the Houston domestic market is weak, but it’s always been weak. Houston has never had a strong domestic market relative to its size. Houston has always punched above its weight Internationally and below its weight domestically.
3) Oil isn’t down right now. It’s stable.
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 12:10 am

WWads wrote:
IAH is a much weaker market than people think. The general decline of the oil industry has reduced international service. There’s just not enough room for DL to have a larger operation. It’s not like DFW where there was already an existing DL FF base left over from the hub days.


The US is now the largest exporter of oil in the world.
 
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 1:16 am

WWads wrote:
IAH is a much weaker market than people think. The general decline of the oil industry has reduced international service. There’s just not enough room for DL to have a larger operation. It’s not like DFW where there was already an existing DL FF base left over from the hub days.



The oil industry has its ups and downs but it is going no where and I live in IAH now and believe me these oil employees are not hurting right now. In addition to oil there is a whole ton of chemical industry down here as well as feed from western louisiana southern arkensas... it could be a viable route.
 
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:06 am

FlightLevel360 wrote:
This is on the CS100 correct? It seems DL's NY-Texas flights are all getting the new north american bird.


Are you having issues with it being now called the A220? Second thread you do this?
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Mon Jul 08, 2019 2:16 am

And on the 220

If that isnt a kick in the balls to B6 I dont know what is

Maybe it will incentivize Bluejet to bring back the second daily Houston. They flew 3 daily then 2 daily and now 1 daily
 
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:33 am

zuckie13 wrote:
avi8 wrote:
Interesting that the JFK originating flights leave before most of the European flights arrive.


That makes this a straight up fight against B6 then.
I'm surprised they'd want to add this. More NY passengers on domestic travel would want the flights to/from LGA, not from JFK.


Other than the summer seasonal boutique routes (PDL, AGP, TXL, etc.), DL doesn't need to make domestic adds at JFK for feed. Whether it is FRA, ZRH, STR, MAD, or a whole host of other airports, they can connect over DTW or ATL - or CDG or AMS given the AF and KL non-stops at IAH. This is just a way to strengthen the portfolio for NYC pax. 2-bedroom apartments are selling for north of $1 million all across southern and eastern Brooklyn, and it is far easier to get to JFK than LGA for those folks. With the new schedule, its 2x 220 from JFK and 5x 220 from LGA, so LGA is still dominant given the proximity to midtown. I think this is mostly just an opportunistic add because the A220 can serve this market far more efficiently than the CR9, 175, or 319 - the choices that previously existed. I am watching for IAH-LAX and DFW-SEA next.
 
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:51 am

AF773 wrote:
FlightLevel360 wrote:
This is on the CS100 correct? It seems DL's NY-Texas flights are all getting the new north american bird.


Are you having issues with it being now called the A220? Second thread you do this?


Must have been a typo, I understand he wrote it while boarding his plane to Bombay out of Idlewild Airport. :stirthepot:
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:31 am

afcjets wrote:
WWads wrote:
IAH is a much weaker market than people think. The general decline of the oil industry has reduced international service. There’s just not enough room for DL to have a larger operation. It’s not like DFW where there was already an existing DL FF base left over from the hub days.


The US is now the largest exporter of oil in the world.


3rd or 4th actually. Still behind Saudi Arabia and Russia.

Either way, wasn't the A220 referred to as a "long and thin" airplane that could open up new routes? People were dreaming up hub to distant small markets. Let's not forget there are other meanings to long & thin. Namely, frequency adds at low demand times (SLC-ATL/JFK), and big markets with competitive dynamics (JFK-IAH).
 
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:51 pm

N62NA wrote:
AZa346 wrote:
panamair wrote:
Nice find, OP! Looks like it will be 2x daily on the A220 starting with the new winter schedule on Oct 27, 2019:

DL2395 JFK 0800 IAH 1119
DL1921 JFK 1455 IAH 1814

DL2395 IAH 1158 JFK 1622
DL1921 IAH 1822 JFK 2245

I find these schedules so weird, for the very specific minutes .. I think in Europe the schedules are only set at minutes that are multiples of 5! Is it true or I am wrong?


Very common in the USA to have flights leave at "any minute" and not just multiple of 5 minutes.

With Delta (and other USA airlines) each minute of block time cost money.
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:41 pm

LH658 wrote:
Hoping Delta can start IAH - SEA, BOS, MCO, RDU, and LAX.

LAX is a big one just like LAX-ORD if DL can get these routes going our domestic flights would be well covered from L.A.
 
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:05 pm

WWads wrote:
IAH is a much weaker market than people think. The general decline of the oil industry has reduced international service. There’s just not enough room for DL to have a larger operation. It’s not like DFW where there was already an existing DL FF base left over from the hub days.


CO used to be in the SkyTeam alliance along with DL and NW prior to CO switching over to the Star Alliance back in 2009, and there were likely some CO and DL FF's in Houston who flew out of IAH/HOU on DL back when CO and DL were both in the SkyTeam alliance. However, many former DL FF's in Greater Houston have likely switched over to UA following CO's exit from the SkyTeam alliance and the UA-CO merger.
 
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 5:09 pm

dlflynhayn wrote:
LH658 wrote:
Hoping Delta can start IAH - SEA, BOS, MCO, RDU, and LAX.

LAX is a big one just like LAX-ORD if DL can get these routes going our domestic flights would be well covered from L.A.


I agree that DL adding IAH-LAX nonstop service might happen since DL already serves LAX nonstop from DFW, AUS, and SAT. DL would also be able to offer 1-stop connecting service to additional Asian, Australian, and Hawaiian destinations from IAH through LAX if DL adds IAH-LAX nonstop service. IAH is also one of the top domestic destinations traveled to from LAX that DL doesn't currently serve nonstop from LAX.
 
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:23 pm

9w748capt wrote:
Is DL using a different a/c for the evening return? I know DL runs a good operation but even they most likely can't turn an A220 in 8 minutes.


Could be; DL operates the A220 on LGA-IAH and vice versa so the aircraft obviously could turn from LGA to JFK or the reverse.

TWA772LR wrote:
If anything it's DL retaliating against B6 for switching to IAH, IMO.


I wouldn't really call it retaliation so much as sensing blood in the water. If B6 were doing well in Houston, they wouldn't have swapped airports. Putting additional pressure on B6 in NYC-Houston might be enough to induce B6 to drop out of the Houston market, which makes them relatively less attractive for business customers in NYC & Boston.

Jerseyguy wrote:
I understand he wrote it while boarding his plane to Bombay out of Idlewild Airport.


Was that service operated with an MD-95?
 
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:41 pm

ScottB wrote:
Jerseyguy wrote:
I understand he wrote it while boarding his plane to Bombay out of Idlewild Airport.


Was that service operated with an MD-95?


No the MD-95 was his connecting flight to Constantinople, Turkey with continuing service to Belgrade, Yugoslavia. The flight crew had just come off the Zaire to Bombay flight
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Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:44 pm

didn't AA once operate JFK-IAH or HOU a few years ago?
 
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Mon Jul 08, 2019 11:24 pm

CALMSP wrote:
didn't AA once operate JFK-IAH or HOU a few years ago?



AA briefly operated JFK IAH

AA operated LGA HOU AUS for many years before going with a nonstop JFK AUS a few years back

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