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UA’s New Tourist Centric Int’l Routes

Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:13 am

Over the last year we have seen UA launch or announce routes to PPT, OPO, NAP, CPT and possibly SVQ.

Remembering back to the EWR-CPT thread, many here were surprised at this add given the limited business ties between the US and SA. Many noted that it’s seasonality seemed to be more related to capturing the tourism market. Which got me thinking about other markets like PPT and some of the new Europe adds.

All of these markets seem to be targeting tourism, or VFR demand rather than an capture business traffic which is the traditional MO of most legacy carriers. While UA and most legacies fly to leisure destinations, they’re generally not long haul destinations which many of these new adds are. And currently, UA seems to be the leader with this type of long haul leisure focused flying, at least amongst the US legacies.

Is this trend likely to continue? What are possible reasons for the diversion from traditional market adds anchored by business traffic? What are possible threats to this trend? Will we see this AA and DL follow suit ?

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Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:25 am

What do you mean by seeing AA and DL follow suit? If anything, this is UA catching up with them. AA has added markets like Córdoba, Budapest, Prague, Dubrovnik, Berlin, Bologna, Dallas-Dublin, Chicago-Athens and now flies to virtually every jet capable runway in the Caribbean sans Tobago. Delta has always had a diverse European networks and is now flying new routes like Ponta Delgada, Boston-Edinburgh, Tampa-Amsterdam and Boston-Lisbon

Americans are wealthier than ever and traveling internationally in far greater numbers than ever before. A strong dollar and weak foreign economies, and thereby weaker currencies, is stimulating tourism to these places, along with intense trans-Atlantic competition driving down airfares.
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:27 am

By long haul I assume you mean ~12-14 hour range as AA have launched DBV, and DL have flown to AGP (and previously PSA) for years. While CO had quite a large network to secondary European cities, UA are arguably late to this market of serving destinations for US outbound tourists.

The nature of routes like PPT and CPT is they attract wealthy people with money to spend. While they are not serving the corporate market, filling the front cabin isn't a challenge on these sorts of routes.
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Re: UA’s New Tourist Centric Int’l Routes

Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:09 pm

77H wrote:
Is this trend likely to continue? What are possible reasons for the diversion from traditional market adds anchored by business traffic? What are possible threats to this trend? Will we see this AA and DL follow suit ?

77H


You're years late in identifying the trend. DL's JFK-Pisa (since axed), JFK-PDL and JFK-Malaga, along with AA's seasonal services to Prague, Dubrovnik, and Bologna and anything to KEF certainly aren't about business demand.

Among risks, premium cabins won't be filled with paying passengers (leaving PRASM well below targeted levels) and fuel price spikes hitting all long-haul services.
 
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Re: UA’s New Tourist Centric Int’l Routes

Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:15 pm

77H wrote:
What are possible reasons for the diversion from traditional market adds anchored by business traffic?

1) A wealthy tourist's dollar is just as valuable as a business person's.
2) MileagePlus is only valuable if there are redemption destinations people want to fly to.
 
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Re: UA’s New Tourist Centric Int’l Routes

Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:37 pm

Not sure OPO fits in that list - there is a lot of industry in the North of Portugal (enough for a 757 with multiple onward connections at EWR, anyway), and a lot of VFR (most of the Portuguese community in and around the Newark area is from the North of Portugal, and arguably better served through OPO than LIS). TP flies OPO-EWR year-round (increasing frequencies now that they have the A321LR).

The summer IAD-LIS is arguably more tourist-centric than EWR-OPO.
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Re: UA’s New Tourist Centric Int’l Routes

Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:55 pm

Looks like their upcoming EWR-SVQ fits the "tourist-centric" description well. Wonder how the speculated economic downturn will affect these types of routes for UA
 
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:20 pm

We are seeing the impact of a strong US economy. This is pushing up fares and demand for economy class. These leisure routes are based on economy class demand being profitable. 5-10 years ago, United needed strong business class demand to justify a route. UA has always had the largest premium cabins (with the exception of Transatlantic 757s), so their threshold for leisure routes was higher.

If a recession hits the US economy, these leisure routes will disappear quickly
 
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Re: UA’s New Tourist Centric Int’l Routes

Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:24 pm

When does there PPT Flight start? haven't heard of any american carriers flying from the U.S. to PPT other than HA from HNL.
 
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:29 pm

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When does there PPT Flight start? haven't heard of any american carriers flying from the U.S. to PPT other than HA from HNL.


The route started on October 30, 2018.
 
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Re: UA’s New Tourist Centric Int’l Routes

Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:37 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
77H wrote:
Is this trend likely to continue? What are possible reasons for the diversion from traditional market adds anchored by business traffic? What are possible threats to this trend? Will we see this AA and DL follow suit ?

77H


You're years late in identifying the trend. DL's JFK-Pisa (since axed), JFK-PDL and JFK-Malaga, along with AA's seasonal services to Prague, Dubrovnik, and Bologna and anything to KEF certainly aren't about business demand.

Among risks, premium cabins won't be filled with paying passengers (leaving PRASM well below targeted levels) and fuel price spikes hitting all long-haul services.

I wouldn't say years late like this is something going on for the past decade or two, the trend is still relatively new
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:40 pm

Interesting how when all these flights were being launched, all the comments were leisure=low fare=bottem barrel yield=these routes won't last, but now all the comments have flipped to "these routes chase high yielding leisure travelers"
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:53 pm

stl07 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
77H wrote:
Is this trend likely to continue? What are possible reasons for the diversion from traditional market adds anchored by business traffic? What are possible threats to this trend? Will we see this AA and DL follow suit ?

77H


You're years late in identifying the trend. DL's JFK-Pisa (since axed), JFK-PDL and JFK-Malaga, along with AA's seasonal services to Prague, Dubrovnik, and Bologna and anything to KEF certainly aren't about business demand.

Among risks, premium cabins won't be filled with paying passengers (leaving PRASM well below targeted levels) and fuel price spikes hitting all long-haul services.

I wouldn't say years late like this is something going on for the past decade or two, the trend is still relatively new


I'd say it's being resumed as much as it is a new trend. Decades ago U.S. airlines served a lot of secondary European cities. A lot of those routes were dropped over the decades, either due to deregulation, when fuel prices sky rocketed, or an economic recession. In addition we had multiple now defunct European airlines flying TATL, like TAROM, Czech, Sabena, Olympic, Malev, etc. The TATL market has gone through a few decades of consolidation and re-structuring and now it's expanding again.
 
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:09 pm

I’ve got Dubrovnik at the top of my “NEXT” list. A non stop would be AWESOME. However when I did check UA.com the 1 stop options were not just convenient- (or fine) but shockingly plentiful options.
Yes- I would take AA’s nonstop, but as I am somewhat trapped on United or Star Alliance, my MP bank account is so full that it doesn’t make sense.
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Wed Jul 24, 2019 11:56 pm

United should launch flights from Newark and Chicago O Hare to Cairo, Egypt as the situation in Egypt has stabilized and tourists are coming back to Egypt in large numbers. It should also provide competition for EgyptAir's flights from Cairo to New York JFK.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:09 am

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United should launch flights from Newark and Chicago O Hare to Cairo, Egypt as the situation in Egypt has stabilized and tourists are coming back to Egypt in large numbers. It should also provide competition for EgyptAir's flights from Cairo to New York JFK.


BA's CAI flights are still canceled and LH just resumed theirs. I wouldn't call that a region that is stabilized. I don't thing CAI is in the cards anytime soon for UA.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:10 am

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United should launch flights from Newark and Chicago O Hare to Cairo, Egypt as the situation in Egypt has stabilized and tourists are coming back to Egypt in large numbers. It should also provide competition for EgyptAir's flights from Cairo to New York JFK.


You sure? BA has suspended CAI service at this time. Temporary, but they've still suspended it for now. I'm sure Egypt is better off but I have a hard time envisioning a US carrier starting service there.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:49 am

9w748capt wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
United should launch flights from Newark and Chicago O Hare to Cairo, Egypt as the situation in Egypt has stabilized and tourists are coming back to Egypt in large numbers. It should also provide competition for EgyptAir's flights from Cairo to New York JFK.


You sure? BA has suspended CAI service at this time. Temporary, but they've still suspended it for now. I'm sure Egypt is better off but I have a hard time envisioning a US carrier starting service there.

EgyptAir is launched fights from Cairo to Washington Dulles last month, partly because of the recovery in tourist numbers in Egypt.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:10 am

stl07 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
77H wrote:
Is this trend likely to continue? What are possible reasons for the diversion from traditional market adds anchored by business traffic? What are possible threats to this trend? Will we see this AA and DL follow suit ?

77H


You're years late in identifying the trend. DL's JFK-Pisa (since axed), JFK-PDL and JFK-Malaga, along with AA's seasonal services to Prague, Dubrovnik, and Bologna and anything to KEF certainly aren't about business demand.

Among risks, premium cabins won't be filled with paying passengers (leaving PRASM well below targeted levels) and fuel price spikes hitting all long-haul services.

I wouldn't say years late like this is something going on for the past decade or two, the trend is still relatively new


Eh, DL started that kind of flying back in 2008. It’s been around a decade.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:33 am

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United should launch flights from Newark and Chicago O Hare to Cairo, Egypt as the situation in Egypt has stabilized and tourists are coming back to Egypt in large numbers. It should also provide competition for EgyptAir's flights from Cairo to New York JFK.


They wouldn’t fly from ORD to CAI, only EWR if they decided to do it (which they won’t).
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:40 am

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ArchGuy1 wrote:
United should launch flights from Newark and Chicago O Hare to Cairo, Egypt as the situation in Egypt has stabilized and tourists are coming back to Egypt in large numbers. It should also provide competition for EgyptAir's flights from Cairo to New York JFK.


They wouldn’t fly from ORD to CAI, only EWR if they decided to do it (which they won’t).

Delta had flights from New York JFK to Cairo until the Revolution in 2011 so I could see United launching flights from Newark to Cairo in a year or so.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:03 am

DL flew JFK-CAI from about 2008 to 2011 on the 763. TWA also flew JFK-CAI-RUH right up until 9/11 on the 763.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:07 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
United should launch flights from Newark and Chicago O Hare to Cairo, Egypt as the situation in Egypt has stabilized and tourists are coming back to Egypt in large numbers. It should also provide competition for EgyptAir's flights from Cairo to New York JFK.


They wouldn’t fly from ORD to CAI, only EWR if they decided to do it (which they won’t).

Delta had flights from New York JFK to Cairo until the Revolution in 2011 so I could see United launching flights from Newark to Cairo in a year or so.

Past performance is never an indicator of future performance especially with Egypt's security is still questionable. US3 is known to be very conservative when it comes to security after 9/11.

I personally don't see any of the US3 going to East Africa anytime soon.

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Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:27 am

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DL flew JFK-CAI from about 2008 to 2011 on the 763. TWA also flew JFK-CAI-RUH right up until 9/11 on the 763.

What airport is RUH.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:30 am

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DL flew JFK-CAI from about 2008 to 2011 on the 763. TWA also flew JFK-CAI-RUH right up until 9/11 on the 763.

What airport is RUH.


Riyadh, Saudi Arabia
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:43 am

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DL flew JFK-CAI from about 2008 to 2011 on the 763. TWA also flew JFK-CAI-RUH right up until 9/11 on the 763.

What was performance on Delta's flights from New York JFK to Cairo like between 2008 and 2011.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:50 am

I think NCE will join the network next year as seasonal.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 3:57 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
Ionosphere wrote:
DL flew JFK-CAI from about 2008 to 2011 on the 763. TWA also flew JFK-CAI-RUH right up until 9/11 on the 763.

What was performance on Delta's flights from New York JFK to Cairo like between 2008 and 2011.


DL had flew the route for three years. It was only dropped because of the Arab Spring. It must have been doing ok to have lasted that long. CO had announced EWR-CAI on the 772 to start later in 2011. That flight never operated because of the Arab Spring.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:00 am

Ionosphere wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
Ionosphere wrote:
DL flew JFK-CAI from about 2008 to 2011 on the 763. TWA also flew JFK-CAI-RUH right up until 9/11 on the 763.

What was performance on Delta's flights from New York JFK to Cairo like between 2008 and 2011.


DL had flew the route for three years. It was only dropped because of the Arab Spring. It must have been doing ok to have lasted that long. CO had announced EWR-CAI on the 772 to start later in 2011. That flight never operated because of the Arab Spring.

How long were EgyptAir's flights between New York JFK and Cairo suspended, because I know that they were operating the route not long after the 2011 Revolution.
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:02 am

Ionosphere wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
Ionosphere wrote:
DL flew JFK-CAI from about 2008 to 2011 on the 763. TWA also flew JFK-CAI-RUH right up until 9/11 on the 763.

What was performance on Delta's flights from New York JFK to Cairo like between 2008 and 2011.


DL had flew the route for three years. It was only dropped because of the Arab Spring. It must have been doing ok to have lasted that long. CO had announced EWR-CAI on the 772 to start later in 2011. That flight never operated because of the Arab Spring.


I have no skin in the game but I hope either DL or UA starts this route.

Went to Egypt for vacation last year. We had a great time, specifically on the Nile cruise.

Heard from so many of the local shop owners and guides how they've more or less recovered tourism from all non-English (mainly UK and US) countries, like France, Spain, Italy, others. It's a beautiful country with incredible history and its sad the English speaking countries are (to be fair maybe justifiably) a bit more hesitant.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:19 am

UA is not going to start CAI anytime soon. There are plenty of higher-yielding, lower risk destinations to throw a plane at.
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 4:23 am

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UA is not going to start CAI anytime soon. There are plenty of higher-yielding, lower risk destinations to throw a plane at.

Delta might resume JFK to Cairo in the next year or so.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 5:24 am

CO was supposed to start CAI from EWR but never did. I think you are more likely to see UA in IST than CAI and I wouldn't count on either. OPO and NAP are also strong VFR markets. There is a large Portuguese population in Newark as well as business ties. NAP was previously served by IG from JFK for over 10 years again a strong VFR route, it's new to United but not a new market to NYC.

I think other possible VFR/tourist routes UA might add:
EWR-PMO
EWR-NCE
EWR-BOD
EWR-VIE (although OS)
EWR/ORD-KRK/RZE
EWR-GYE
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 1:46 pm

Um nope. UA has tried IST.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:13 pm

CO used to fly to BRS. I wonder if UA would ever go back there? I flew it a couple of times into EWR and it was always packed although I accept bums on seats does not translate to good yields. The south west has one hell of a trek up to LHR/LGW to get across the pond with a direct flight. Just a thought.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2019 6:22 pm

asuflyer wrote:
CO was supposed to start CAI from EWR but never did. I think you are more likely to see UA in IST than CAI and I wouldn't count on either. OPO and NAP are also strong VFR markets. There is a large Portuguese population in Newark as well as business ties. NAP was previously served by IG from JFK for over 10 years again a strong VFR route, it's new to United but not a new market to NYC.

I think other possible VFR/tourist routes UA might add:
EWR-PMO
EWR-NCE
EWR-BOD
EWR-VIE (although OS)
EWR/ORD-KRK/RZE
EWR-GYE



RZE would be pointless, LO already flies from there to EWR and it's enough for the VFR / company (Pratt & Whitney) demand. WAW and KRK would be better, there is a lot of unserved demand from that and these routes also have a lot of business traffic with the influx of American companies in Poland.
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ArchGuy1 wrote:
intotheair wrote:
UA is not going to start CAI anytime soon. There are plenty of higher-yielding, lower risk destinations to throw a plane at.

Delta might resume JFK to Cairo in the next year or so.


According to what exactly?
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:18 am

asuflyer wrote:
CO was supposed to start CAI from EWR but never did. I think you are more likely to see UA in IST than CAI and I wouldn't count on either. OPO and NAP are also strong VFR markets. There is a large Portuguese population in Newark as well as business ties. NAP was previously served by IG from JFK for over 10 years again a strong VFR route, it's new to United but not a new market to NYC.

I think other possible VFR/tourist routes UA might add:
EWR-PMO
EWR-NCE
EWR-BOD
EWR-VIE (although OS)
EWR/ORD-KRK/RZE
EWR-GYE


No need for UA to fly EWR-VIE. They have Star Alliance member OS on it. Don't see KRK or RZE or even WAW frankly. LOT is in Star and flies these routes. EWR-IST was tried in 2013 and dropped. TK is starting this route in August so again, no need for UA to fly it.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:49 am

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ArchGuy1 wrote:
United should launch flights from Newark and Chicago O Hare to Cairo, Egypt as the situation in Egypt has stabilized and tourists are coming back to Egypt in large numbers. It should also provide competition for EgyptAir's flights from Cairo to New York JFK.


BA's CAI flights are still canceled and LH just resumed theirs. I wouldn't call that a region that is stabilized. I don't thing CAI is in the cards anytime soon for UA.



According to the BBC, BA will resume flights to CAI on 26 Jul --

British Airways will resume flights to Cairo on Friday after services to the Egyptian city were suspended for a week because of security concerns.

In a statement, the airline said it had "reviewed security arrangements" and would restart flights.

No further detail was provided on the nature of the security issue.

German airline Lufthansa also cancelled flights to Cairo on Saturday but resumed services one day later.

On 20 July, British Airways said it would halt flights to Cairo for seven days. It now plans to resume services on Friday.

"Following a thorough assessment of the security arrangements, we are pleased that our service to and from Cairo will resume from... 26 July", the airline said.

British Airways currently runs one flight from Heathrow to Cairo and back again per day.


https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49122845

While I don't think CAI is high on UA's list of new destinations, I can imagine them flying EWR-CAI within the next five years.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:59 am

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Interesting how when all these flights were being launched, all the comments were leisure=low fare=bottem barrel yield=these routes won't last, but now all the comments have flipped to "these routes chase high yielding leisure travelers"


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Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:41 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
Ionosphere wrote:
DL flew JFK-CAI from about 2008 to 2011 on the 763. TWA also flew JFK-CAI-RUH right up until 9/11 on the 763.

What airport is RUH.


Literally takes 5 seconds to do a google search for this.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2019 2:41 am

Schweigend wrote:
hereandthere41 wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
United should launch flights from Newark and Chicago O Hare to Cairo, Egypt as the situation in Egypt has stabilized and tourists are coming back to Egypt in large numbers. It should also provide competition for EgyptAir's flights from Cairo to New York JFK.


BA's CAI flights are still canceled and LH just resumed theirs. I wouldn't call that a region that is stabilized. I don't thing CAI is in the cards anytime soon for UA.



According to the BBC, BA will resume flights to CAI on 26 Jul --

British Airways will resume flights to Cairo on Friday after services to the Egyptian city were suspended for a week because of security concerns.

In a statement, the airline said it had "reviewed security arrangements" and would restart flights.

No further detail was provided on the nature of the security issue.

German airline Lufthansa also cancelled flights to Cairo on Saturday but resumed services one day later.



On 20 July, British Airways said it would halt flights to Cairo for seven days. It now plans to resume services on Friday.

"Following a thorough assessment of the security arrangements, we are pleased that our service to and from Cairo will resume from... 26 July", the airline said.

British Airways currently runs one flight from Heathrow to Cairo and back again per day.


https://www.bbc.com/news/business-49122845

While I don't think CAI is high on UA's list of new destinations, I can imagine them flying EWR-CAI within the next five years.



Im suprised BA stopped service I know of the concerns. Maybe because there are many options and direct flights to Egypt even the med sized coastal cities for dive trips direct from EU. When I connect tru the EU I look for WB service int to CAI. Its getting harder.
 
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Re: UA’s New Tourist Centric Int’l Routes

Fri Jul 26, 2019 3:03 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
United should launch flights from Newark and Chicago O Hare to Cairo, Egypt as the situation in Egypt has stabilized and tourists are coming back to Egypt in large numbers. It should also provide competition for EgyptAir's flights from Cairo to New York JFK.


Can connect via Toronto on MS996 as well, taking advantage of AC's strong network of US destinations, as well as many flights from LGA, EWR, and ORD between UA and AC.
 
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Re: UA’s New Tourist Centric Int’l Routes

Fri Jul 26, 2019 4:25 am

9w748capt wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
Ionosphere wrote:
DL flew JFK-CAI from about 2008 to 2011 on the 763. TWA also flew JFK-CAI-RUH right up until 9/11 on the 763.

What airport is RUH.


Literally takes 5 seconds to do a google search for this.

and also 5 seconds to tell him what it is and 0 to not respond like the rest of us
Instead of typing in "mods", consider using the report function.
Love how every "travel blogger" says they will never fly AA/Ethihad again and then says it again and again on subsequent flights.
 
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Re: UA’s New Tourist Centric Int’l Routes

Fri Jul 26, 2019 7:55 pm

stl07 wrote:
9w748capt wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
What airport is RUH.


Literally takes 5 seconds to do a google search for this.

and also 5 seconds to tell him what it is and 0 to not respond like the rest of us


Yet you responded to my post, lmao
 
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Re: UA’s New Tourist Centric Int’l Routes

Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:14 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Tampa-Amsterdam


Which is actually more aimed at Europeans visiting Tampa than Americans visiting Amsterdam. Lots of Europeans go on holiday to Florida and Tampa is no exception.

By the way, I'm surprised United doesn't fly to Copenhagen. It's a very touristic city and has a good business demand as well. Sure SAS serves a lot of their bases but from what I've heard United and SAS aren't really close. Copenhagen is badly served by American carriers anyway, only Delta has a seasonal flight to New York JFK. Just like United, American doesn't fly to Copenhagen either.
 
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Re: UA’s New Tourist Centric Int’l Routes

Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:17 pm

United ditched Copenhagen several years ago. The fact that they've flown there and discontinued it, as have the other US carriers, should tell you something about the route's profitability. Never say that it couldnt come back, but that's a big hurdle.

PatrickZ80 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Tampa-Amsterdam


Which is actually more aimed at Europeans visiting Tampa than Americans visiting Amsterdam. Lots of Europeans go on holiday to Florida and Tampa is no exception.

By the way, I'm surprised United doesn't fly to Copenhagen. It's a very touristic city and has a good business demand as well. Sure SAS serves a lot of their bases but from what I've heard United and SAS aren't really close. Copenhagen is badly served by American carriers anyway, only Delta has a seasonal flight to New York JFK. Just like United, American doesn't fly to Copenhagen either.
 
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Re: UA’s New Tourist Centric Int’l Routes

Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:18 pm

9w748capt wrote:
stl07 wrote:
9w748capt wrote:

Literally takes 5 seconds to do a google search for this.

and also 5 seconds to tell him what it is and 0 to not respond like the rest of us


Yet you responded to my post, lmao

Ok? Your point?
Instead of typing in "mods", consider using the report function.
Love how every "travel blogger" says they will never fly AA/Ethihad again and then says it again and again on subsequent flights.
 
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Re: UA’s New Tourist Centric Int’l Routes

Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:25 pm

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CO used to fly to BRS. I wonder if UA would ever go back there? I flew it a couple of times into EWR and it was always packed although I accept bums on seats does not translate to good yields. The south west has one hell of a trek up to LHR/LGW to get across the pond with a direct flight. Just a thought.


Problem could be that Bristol isn't exactly a tourist hotspot. It's just an ordinary city and sure it has a few sights, but nothing out of the ordinary. Then I'd say Newcastle is more touristic than Bristol, yet Newcastle airport doesn't see any service on American carriers either.
 
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Re: UA’s New Tourist Centric Int’l Routes

Fri Jul 26, 2019 8:32 pm

Pyrex wrote:
Not sure OPO fits in that list - there is a lot of industry in the North of Portugal (enough for a 757 with multiple onward connections at EWR, anyway), and a lot of VFR (most of the Portuguese community in and around the Newark area is from the North of Portugal, and arguably better served through OPO than LIS). TP flies OPO-EWR year-round (increasing frequencies now that they have the A321LR).

The summer IAD-LIS is arguably more tourist-centric than EWR-OPO.


Don't underestimate tourism in Porto, it's a hotspot. A beautiful ancient city where everything is about making their most famous drink: Port. As a matter of fact I'm not quite sure which city in Portugal gets more tourists, Lisbon or Porto.

Talking of drinks, it's quite surprising that none of the American carriers serves the wine capital of the world: Bordeaux. All tourism to France seems to be heavily concentrated on Paris which is unjustified as the rest of France has so much to offer that Paris doesn't have.

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