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LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:26 pm

Starting from 2020, LH will transfer two additional A380s from FRA to MUC, thereby achieving parity in number of A380s stationed in FRA and MUC, seven airframes each.

The usual press release sounds a little bit odd, if you ask me:
“Since last March, the A380 has been operating very successfully from Munich. A few weeks ago, we welcomed the millionth A380 passenger on board in Munich. Our customers and our crews love the A380 experience. The flagship of our fleet is perfect for our 5-Star hub Munich. We will continue growing where quality and costs go hand in hand,” says Harry Hohmeister, Member of the Executive Board of Deutsche Lufthansa AG.

Source: https://newsroom.lufthansagroup.com/eng ... 4c623908a1

So successful, that they will sell back six out of fourteen airframes to Airbus… (remember the associated press release? it had a slightly different undertone :blush: ). Will be interesting to see if they will keep the number of A380s in MUC and reduce the number of A380s in FRA only or not… :scratchchin:

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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:35 pm

They probably chose to take the opportunity to get rid of the A380s then while they could actually get some money for them (from Airbus) rather than waiting and watching their resale value fall.
 
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:38 pm

Whether stationed in FRA or MUC the new LH "livery" is just as hideous in either place.
 
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 12:52 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Whether stationed in FRA or MUC the new LH "livery" is just as hideous in either place.


It has been over a year and people still whining about that. Get over it, it won't change back.

On topic: In an interview form December 2018, Carsten Spohr mentioned, that they want to grow with bigger aircraft in Munich. Apparently this is, what he meant. Will be interesting, where we see the first 779.
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:05 pm

conaly wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
Whether stationed in FRA or MUC the new LH "livery" is just as hideous in either place.


It has been over a year and people still whining about that. Get over it, it won't change back.

On topic: In an interview form December 2018, Carsten Spohr mentioned, that they want to grow with bigger aircraft in Munich. Apparently this is, what he meant. Will be interesting, where we see the first 779.


So I'm guessing this is why LH moved all the A330s out of MUC this year?
 
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:15 pm

Happy to see BOS getting one. They built three gates for A380s and the worry was they'd never be used. Looks like all three have tenants by next summer.
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:20 pm

Excellent for LH, now I'm excited for Swiss! I want to know which will be the destinations of the 2 new B77W that will arrive next year and if they open a new route with the remaining A343
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:34 pm

I totally read the thread title as:

LH A380s: Party between FRA and MUC

And I thought, well that sounds like a fun flight.
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:40 pm

conaly wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
Whether stationed in FRA or MUC the new LH "livery" is just as hideous in either place.


It has been over a year and people still whining about that. Get over it, it won't change back.

On topic: In an interview form December 2018, Carsten Spohr mentioned, that they want to grow with bigger aircraft in Munich. Apparently this is, what he meant. Will be interesting, where we see the first 779.

Aren't the 779s (or at least the initial ones) going to FRA?
 
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:43 pm

jghealey wrote:
conaly wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
Whether stationed in FRA or MUC the new LH "livery" is just as hideous in either place.


It has been over a year and people still whining about that. Get over it, it won't change back.

On topic: In an interview form December 2018, Carsten Spohr mentioned, that they want to grow with bigger aircraft in Munich. Apparently this is, what he meant. Will be interesting, where we see the first 779.

Aren't the 779s (or at least the initial ones) going to FRA?


At least the initial ones are set to replace the 13 744s that are based in FRA.
 
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 1:57 pm

I hope this hopythetical additional frame secondhand order of the a380 to fruition..
 
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 2:29 pm

Hypothetical A380 order?!? You do realize LH is downsizing the quantity of A380s? At this point the question is how long after 779 EIS are the A380s viable? Every extra seat sells, on average, for less than the prior seat (or else fire the yield management team). So larger aircraft must have a significant cost per seat advantage or the smaller aircraft wins the profit race.

Sadly, the non freighter quads are doomed. It is just a question of how long. Probably a long time, but for example AF retired young 744s.

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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:26 pm

conaly wrote:
In an interview form December 2018, Carsten Spohr mentioned, that they want to grow with bigger aircraft in Munich. Apparently this is, what he meant. Will be interesting, where we see the first 779.

If we take the press releases seriously and do not consider them as management-bla bla bla, then I would think they will keep the MUC-A380s and will withdraw the six A380s earmarked for sale-back to Airbus from Frankfurt. Problem with this scenario: just one single A380 left in FRA... unrealistic.

Removing three airframes from FRA and MUC each would leave four units in FRA and MUC. Seems unrealistic as well.

kimimm19 wrote:
I hope this hopythetical additional frame secondhand order of the a380 to fruition..

I guess you mixed up BA and LH? :scratchchin:

vikkyvik wrote:
I totally read the thread title as:

LH A380s: Party between FRA and MUC

And I thought, well that sounds like a fun flight.

Sounds like fun in deed. The only question would be what to drink at this party - Bavarian beer or Cider (kind of) from Frankfurt... :spit:
 
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 5:57 pm

Played golf this afternoon with an LH FRA based A380/A340 pilot.

MIA going to B748 with the move of A380s to MUC. Nothing else exciting in the chit chat...never met the pilot before.

Probably already known by everyone.
 
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:02 pm

This makes perfect sense for multiple reasons:
1) The Munich and Bavarian economy is growing at a very healthy pace.
2) MUC is out of peak time slots and the 3rd runway is nowhere in sight. The only way to grow is with bigger planes.
3) The TATL continues to show strong growth.
4) MUC is LH's predominant European hub (while FRA is more of an intercontinental hub), so it makes sense to add more TATL seats in that market to feed its European network rather than try to match the likes of EK on the intercontinental routes from the U.S.
 
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:16 pm

N14AZ wrote:
conaly wrote:
In an interview form December 2018, Carsten Spohr mentioned, that they want to grow with bigger aircraft in Munich. Apparently this is, what he meant. Will be interesting, where we see the first 779.

If we take the press releases seriously and do not consider them as management-bla bla bla, then I would think they will keep the MUC-A380s and will withdraw the six A380s earmarked for sale-back to Airbus from Frankfurt. Problem with this scenario: just one single A380 left in FRA... unrealistic.

Removing three airframes from FRA and MUC each would leave four units in FRA and MUC. Seems unrealistic as well.

Maybe they'll move the final 8th A380 to MUC as well and send all 779s to FRA to compensate for the lost capacity. 13 to replace the 744, ~12 to replace the A380, ~6 to replace the A340-600 at FRA. Leaves only a few of their original order of 34 unallocated.
 
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:30 pm

mxaxai wrote:
Maybe they'll move the final 8th A380 to MUC as well and send all 779s to FRA to compensate for the lost capacity. 13 to replace the 744, ~12 to replace the A380, ~6 to replace the A340-600 at FRA. Leaves only a few of their original order of 34 unallocated.


They ordered 20, rest are options. Wouldn't bet on their conversion.
MUC will be the A380 hub, FRA will get 779 and I wouldn't count out all 744 yet.
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:12 pm

N14AZ wrote:

kimimm19 wrote:
I hope this hopythetical additional frame secondhand order of the a380 to fruition..

I guess you mixed up BA and LH? :scratchchin:


Oops :lol: :cry2:
 
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:01 pm

kimimm19 wrote:
N14AZ wrote:

kimimm19 wrote:
I hope this hopythetical additional frame secondhand order of the a380 to fruition..

I guess you mixed up BA and LH? :scratchchin:


Oops :lol: :cry2:

Never mind. They are just two small air taxi companies from Europe. The first ones makes announcements in perfect English, hmmm, the latter.. not so much :-(
 
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:28 pm

Spohr recently said that after the 6 A380s go back to Airbus, it does not make sense to split the remaining fleet between FRA and MUC. In the same speech he said that no decision has been made whether this A380 fleet will be based in FRA or MUC.
 
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:32 pm

fraT wrote:
Spohr recently said that after the 6 A380s go back to Airbus, it does not make sense to split the remaining fleet between FRA and MUC. In the same speech he said that no decision has been made whether this A380 fleet will be based in FRA or MUC.

I can see splitting the VLA fleet between hubs: A380 at MUC and 748 at FRA. Just because LH are selling A380s back I would not call it a failure for them. I would just argue that it gave them a better price on A350s which were better for them
 
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:16 am

fraT wrote:
Spohr recently said that after the 6 A380s go back to Airbus, it does not make sense to split the remaining fleet between FRA and MUC. In the same speech he said that no decision has been made whether this A380 fleet will be based in FRA or MUC.

Thanks for the information. I had not heard this before.

Would be sad if there won’t be any LH A380s in FRA any more, where they built these huge hangars for the A380s.
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Source: https://airwaysmag.com/airlines/inside- ... 80-hangar/

In MUC, on the contrary, they had to modify the hangar doors for the A380.
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:07 am

Blotto wrote:
I wouldn't count out all 744 yet.


You should. Two weeks ago, it was officially proclaimed, that several types will leave the fleet until 2025, including all 744:

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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:39 am

Dominion301 wrote:
Whether stationed in FRA or MUC the new LH "livery" is just as hideous in either place.


Scheme is great, same as the A380 and the LH service. Flew them last year HKG - MUC - LHR - MUC - HKG
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:48 am

It would be interesting to review the economics of the A380 vs 748 vs 77W at LH, and then do the same at KE, and see how each type has fared at each carrier.
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Re: LH A380s: Parity between FRA and MUC

Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:37 pm

Dominion301 wrote:
Whether stationed in FRA or MUC the new LH "livery" is just as hideous in either place.

Agreed, it's drab. It's a shame that corporate identity doesn't seem to matter to airliners any more. At least not judging by some of the new 'schemes' being rolled out the last few years.
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