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One More Orbit is a multinational attempt to break the world record for the fastest circumnavigation of the earth via both poles, in a Qatar Executive Gulfstream G650ER ultra long-range business jet.

The record is being attempted during the 50th anniversary celebrations of the Apollo 11 moon landing, as a tribute to the past, present, and future of space exploration.

The team will launch the record attempt from, and return for the finish to, Space Florida's Launch and Landing Facility (the former Shuttle Landing Facility) at NASA’s Kennedy Space Center, from where Apollo 11 launched their historic mission 50 years ago. The mission will start at 09:32 EDT – the same time as Apollo 11.

The speed record will be certified by the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (FAI) and GUINNESS WORLD RECORDS™.

http://onemoreorbit.com/

Flight is trackable on Flightradar24: https://www.flightradar24.com/QQE011/2136ec16
They also have a live feed from within the Gulfstream on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5QkzQ ... 8DVJg/live

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Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:44 pm

I'm curious what the F/As are needed for?
 
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:45 pm

Feed the pilots
 
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 7:03 pm

Ballast :lol:
 
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Re: Currently flying: fastest circumnavigation of the earth via both poles

Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:47 pm

Iemand91 wrote:
in a Qatar Executive Gulfstream G650ER


Its safe to assume they are the sponsor? I hope they have made rescue arrangements all along the route. Would the antarctic portion require any special approvals?
 
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:50 pm

It’s been done before, several times. Not a big deal. Antarctica is considered “international” airspace.
 
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:25 pm

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
I'm curious what the F/As are needed for?


This will be a two-day trip with four flight crew aboard. Stops at each airport are limited to 45 minutes. The crew must be fed during this time and it would be...inconvenient...to have any of them get food poisoning during the flight, so someone must be aboard with appropriate training in safe commercial food handling and disposal. Pilots are trained in many things, but food handling isn't one of them. Presumably, food will be boarded at at least one of the stops along the way and the pilots will probably be busy with other matters so the F/A can coordinate disposal and catering.
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 9:48 pm

I believe the 650 requires at least one FA for dispatch. (FAA)
 
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:14 pm

Interesting. Flightradar shows it approaching northern Russia. Bummer, the youtube feed is out because it's out of satellite range. But it's satellite so shouldn't it.....
 
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:27 pm

DocLightning wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
I'm curious what the F/As are needed for?


This will be a two-day trip with four flight crew aboard. Stops at each airport are limited to 45 minutes. The crew must be fed during this time and it would be...inconvenient...to have any of them get food poisoning during the flight, so someone must be aboard with appropriate training in safe commercial food handling and disposal. Pilots are trained in many things, but food handling isn't one of them. Presumably, food will be boarded at at least one of the stops along the way and the pilots will probably be busy with other matters so the F/A can coordinate disposal and catering.


That's funny - the cargo guys seem to be able to manage to feed themselves just fine.
 
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That's funny - the cargo guys seem to be able to manage to feed themselves just fine.


Not for 48 straight hours they don't.
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:51 pm

I realize this flight likely doesn’t implicate ETOPS directly, but how from an alternate will they be on the MRU-PUQ leg?
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:56 pm

I think there’s a maximum number of passengers before a flight attendant is required. It has to do with the windows as the emergency exits and their size restricting the evacuation process.
 
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:58 pm

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I realize this flight likely doesn’t implicate ETOPS directly, but how from an alternate will they be on the MRU-PUQ leg?


They’ll be 3 or 4 hours beyond 240 minutes! Yikes!

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Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:06 pm

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I think there’s a maximum number of passengers before a flight attendant is required. It has to do with the windows as the emergency exits and their size restricting the evacuation process.

But this flight is not a commercial flight, not on board a "traditional" airliner and has no passenger (just crew).
 
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Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:57 pm

It’s a Part 25 evacuation requirement at certain (I don’t exactly but I believe around 12 pax) number of passengers regardless of operating rules. It’s a type requirement, not a commercial requirement. But, yes, this flight doesn’t require one.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:11 am

Last leg not that far away from landing: https://www.flightradar24.com/QQE011/213c7b81
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:38 am

I believe it is not even difficult to find some selection of food items that can keep people alive for 48 hours with zero risk of food poisoning.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:08 pm

DocLightning wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
I'm curious what the F/As are needed for?

...so someone must be aboard with appropriate training in safe commercial food handling and disposal. Pilots are trained in many things, but food handling isn't one of them.


I'm quite confident that all four of those gentlemen can handle the Herculean task of preparing some food and throwing out the leftovers, even without "appropriate training".

I'd hazard a guess that they all handle food prep and disposal something like three times a day, seven days a week, and 365 days a year.
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:38 pm

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PhilMcCrackin wrote:
That's funny - the cargo guys seem to be able to manage to feed themselves just fine.


Not for 48 straight hours they don't.


I'd wager that 650 has food chillers onboard and I'm sure, you know, they could always rely on dry food if they had to. They're not eating five course meals up there.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:14 pm

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I believe it is not even difficult to find some selection of food items that can keep people alive for 48 hours with zero risk of food poisoning.


A few loaves of bread, a big jar of peanut butter, some Cheetos, and a couple large bags of M&M's. All good.
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:17 pm

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I believe it is not even difficult to find some selection of food items that can keep people alive for 48 hours with zero risk of food poisoning.


A few loaves of bread, a big jar of peanut butter, some Cheetos, and a couple large bags of M&M's. All good.

Doubt forget beef jerky and sour gummy worms! Prefect road trip food.
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:30 pm

They succeeded and apparently broke 3 records:

#OneMoreOrbit team together with @QatarExecutive has made history by beating the world circumnavigation speed record for any aircraft flying over both geographical Poles!

https://twitter.com/One_More_Orbit/stat ... 8307020803

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ORLANDO, Fla., July 11 (UPI) -- A team of aviators including retired astronaut Terry Virts landed at Kennedy Space Center Thursday morning, claiming to have set three global flying records for circling the Earth over the North and South poles.

The mission, called One More Orbit, touched down in Florida at 8:12 a.m. EDT, hours ahead of its tentative schedule. Its recorded flight time was 46 hours, 39 minutes, 38 seconds. The average speed was clocked at 534 mph.

That would break the official record for average speed of 511 mph set in 2008, and for total minimum time of just over 54 hours. According to One More Orbit, a third record was set because two women on board, film director Jannicke Mikkelsen and flight attendant Magdalena Starowicz, are apparently the first women to complete a polar circumnavigation of the world.

Officials from the Fédération Aéronautique Internationale (World Air Sports Federation) and Guinness World Records are in Florida to verify the records.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019/07 ... 562853645/
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Got to keep the old globe theory alive against the rising tide of Flat Earthers I suppose.
 
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This is nothing more than a stunt but a good one for avgeeks. Who is the guy in the Gsuit?
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:50 pm

There was a Star Fighter F-104 chase plane to film the approach and landing. It took off from the Shuttle landing facility this morning and "intercepted" the G650 at around 25k ft. Was pretty cool on FR 24 seeing the ole fighter holding in a circular pattern at 550 MPH. On the One More Orbit twitter feed (or perhaps it was the Captain's) there was something about they had to plan for the intercept over the Atlantic so the chase plane could go supersonic if need be. Some cool pics of the flanking for pics. Pretty badass in my opinion regardless of PR stunt, world records and what not. Just having an F-104 as one's chase plane is strong.

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Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:18 pm

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Ertro wrote:
I believe it is not even difficult to find some selection of food items that can keep people alive for 48 hours with zero risk of food poisoning.


A few loaves of bread, a big jar of peanut butter, some Cheetos, and a couple large bags of M&M's. All good.

Do you think the exclusive crew of a G650 will feed on these? They require much more elaborate food than that...
 
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This is nothing more than a stunt but a good one for avgeeks. Who is the guy in the Gsuit?


That's Akbar Al-Baker, CEO of QR and world-famous loose cannon.
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:01 am

There is probably a blindlingly simple answer to this but why not using the equator with intermittent trade winds rather than pole to pole. pole to pole is only about 100km shorter circumference. was it purely an ETOPS requirement which flying the equator could not satisfy?
 
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There is probably a blindlingly simple answer to this but why not using the equator with intermittent trade winds rather than pole to pole. pole to pole is only about 100km shorter circumference. was it purely an ETOPS requirement which flying the equator could not satisfy?

It was because the attempt was to go pole to pole rather than around the equator, had they gone around the equator they wouldn't have fulfilled the aim of going via the poles.

Why did they choose the poles route for the record attempt (guesses)?
1. More obscure, less known and attempted so a record was more achievable
2. Working with NASA and celebrating a space thing then it could be seen as more like a 'polar' orbit (a very common way of orbiting)
3. You spend a lot of time in the clear not much traffic airspace so its simpler for navigating.

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Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:08 pm

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This is nothing more than a stunt but a good one for avgeeks. Who is the guy in the Gsuit?


Terry Virts, and Gennady Padalka is the one in the NASA jumpsuit on the right.
 
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48 Hours stuck in an ultra-luxurious state-of-the-art twin engine executive jet, with multiple crews, five star catering, the support of a full global airline's dispatch team, cruising the globe at 45,000 ft with GNSS navigation and constant satellite communication with the ground?

I can only wish to be that brave one day...
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Its recorded flight time was 46 hours, 39 minutes, 38 seconds.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019/07 ... 562853645/


Flight time was 46-39-38? Or does that time include the fuel stops?
 
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48 Hours stuck in an ultra-luxurious state-of-the-art twin engine executive jet, with multiple crews, five star catering, the support of a full global airline's dispatch team, cruising the globe at 45,000 ft with GNSS navigation and constant satellite communication with the ground?

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Great effort even so, it takes a fair bit of dosh and commitment for an operation such as QR Executive* to launch such an endeavour, and only to be expected the PD would be there to claim the accolades.

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Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:42 pm

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leghorn wrote:
There is probably a blindlingly simple answer to this but why not using the equator with intermittent trade winds rather than pole to pole. pole to pole is only about 100km shorter circumference. was it purely an ETOPS requirement which flying the equator could not satisfy?

It was because the attempt was to go pole to pole rather than around the equator, had they gone around the equator they wouldn't have fulfilled the aim of going via the poles.

Why did they choose the poles route for the record attempt (guesses)?
1. More obscure, less known and attempted so a record was more achievable
2. Working with NASA and celebrating a space thing then it could be seen as more like a 'polar' orbit (a very common way of orbiting)
3. You spend a lot of time in the clear not much traffic airspace so its simpler for navigating.

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I would add: The polar route may be considered a better indicator of performance for the very reason that the overall effect of winds will be fairly neutral. Just like many athletic and automotive performance records come with requirements that they can't be wind-assisted, or must be on flat ground, etc.
In past years it would also have been considered especially challenging and perhaps more prestigious due to difficulty of navigating near the poles with a magnetic compass.
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:46 pm

That’s cool, I would have loved to be on that flight ! Congratulations
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:31 pm

timz wrote:
Iemand91 wrote:
Its recorded flight time was 46 hours, 39 minutes, 38 seconds.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019/07 ... 562853645/


Flight time was 46-39-38? Or does that time include the fuel stops?

Qatar Executive EVP Ettore Rodaro says, “We launched on July 9, 2019 at 9:32 a.m. and landed on July 11, 2019 at 8:12 a.m.

https://www.onemoreorbit.com/news.html

Time between that is indeed 46 hours en 40 minutes so that time includes the fuel stops.

You can see the flight history here: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/airc ... d#213c7b81
Fuel stops were:
Astana: 43 minutes
Port Louis: 45 minutes
Punta Arenas: 47 minutes

So *actual* flying time was around 44 hours, 26 minutes.
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m007j wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
This is nothing more than a stunt but a good one for avgeeks. Who is the guy in the Gsuit?


Terry Virts, and Gennady Padalka is the one in the NASA jumpsuit on the right.


Still, why the g suit?
 
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BravoOne wrote:
This is nothing more than a stunt but a good one for avgeeks. Who is the guy in the Gsuit?


Terry Virts, and Gennady Padalka is the one in the NASA jumpsuit on the right.


Still, why the g suit?


My apologies, wrote this without looking close enough at the picture. Both Virts and Padalka have more hair.

The one on the left is Piercarlo Ciacchi, formerly Italian Air Force iirc. He's wearing a G-suit because he was flying the chase F-104 for the photo op. The guy on the right is Rick Svetkoff, he runs the outfit that flies the F104s at the SLF.

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This is nothing more than a stunt but a good one for avgeeks. Who is the guy in the Gsuit?


That's Akbar Al-Baker, CEO of QR and world-famous loose cannon.


No chance in HELL they're giving that guy one of the blue suits, especially not with pilot's wings on it.
 
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Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:49 pm

If no woman had flown this route before, it would have been a good idea to include one on the flight crew.
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No chance in HELL they're giving that guy one of the blue suits, especially not with pilot's wings on it.


My apologies, I thought it was slang for a business suit
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Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:15 pm

I wonder how many times they saw the sunrise and set on this trip?
 
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If no woman had flown this route before...

Brooke Knapp did circumpolar in a GIII in... 1983? Not the same route, of course, and more stops.
 
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Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:18 pm

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I wonder how many times they saw the sunrise and set on this trip?

Qatar Executive EVP Ettore Rodaro says, “We launched on July 9, 2019 at 9:32 a.m. and landed on July 11, 2019 at 8:12 a.m.

https://www.onemoreorbit.com/news.html

They had 4 flights:
- Florida departure at 09:32 (July 9) and arriving in Astana at 07:48 (July 10); so 1 sunset (about 8 hours after departure) and 1 sunrise (about 9 hours after departure, 3.5 hours before arrival)
- Astana departure at 08:31 and arriving in Port Louis at 15:13; so nothing.
- Port Louis departure at 15:58 and arriving in Punta Arenas at 21:19, so they had 1 sunset about 1,5 hours after departure from MRU.
- Punta Arenas departure at 22:06 and arriving in Florida at 8:12 (July 11), so they had 1 sunrise about 1 hour before arrival in Florida.

So if I'm correct, they had 2 sunsets, and 2 sunrises.
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I wonder how many times they saw the sunrise and set on this trip?

Qatar Executive EVP Ettore Rodaro says, “We launched on July 9, 2019 at 9:32 a.m. and landed on July 11, 2019 at 8:12 a.m.

https://www.onemoreorbit.com/news.html

They had 4 flights:
- Florida departure at 09:32 (July 9) and arriving in Astana at 07:48 (July 10); so 1 sunset (about 8 hours after departure) and 1 sunrise (about 9 hours after departure, 3.5 hours before arrival)
- Astana departure at 08:31 and arriving in Port Louis at 15:13; so nothing.
- Port Louis departure at 15:58 and arriving in Punta Arenas at 21:19, so they had 1 sunset about 1,5 hours after departure from MRU.
- Punta Arenas departure at 22:06 and arriving in Florida at 8:12 (July 11), so they had 1 sunrise about 1 hours before arrival in Florida.

So if I'm correct, they had 2 sunsets, and 2 sunrises.


Thanks. I was wondering if the Florida to Astana flight would have been entirely in day light at this time of year. From your description, it’s likely that proper darkness wouldn’t have been experienced until after Mauritius.
 
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48 Hours stuck in an ultra-luxurious state-of-the-art twin engine executive jet, with multiple crews, five star catering, the support of a full global airline's dispatch team, cruising the globe at 45,000 ft with GNSS navigation and constant satellite communication with the ground?

I can only wish to be that brave one day...
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Great effort even so, it takes a fair bit of dosh and commitment for an operation such as QR Executive* to launch such an endeavour, and only to be expected the PD would be there to claim the accolades.

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Ertro wrote:
I believe it is not even difficult to find some selection of food items that can keep people alive for 48 hours with zero risk of food poisoning.


A few loaves of bread, a big jar of peanut butter, some Cheetos, and a couple large bags of M&M's. All good.

Do you think the exclusive crew of a G650 will feed on these? They require much more elaborate food than that...


At least far more nutritious & digestible foods that are a kin to their normal diets. I am sure each crew member has a dietary requirement or two. These ladies will have likely had the hardest job, with multiple pre-made meals catered from a very reliable caterers in each port. They would likely avoid "fresh catch" seafood & use a reputable Michelin rated restaurant for it's meals, unless chillers are stocked upon departure.
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Re: Currently flying: fastest circumnavigation of the earth via both poles

Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:29 am

Kinda of a cool record. Like the international crewing with women, although better would have been one of the pilots be a woman. NASA, and especially Qatar got some good public relations attention. Will this plane have a special sign put in the cabin that it was used for a record flight ?
 
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Re: Currently flying: fastest circumnavigation of the earth via both poles

Wed Jul 17, 2019 6:45 pm

DocLightning wrote:
m007j wrote:
No chance in HELL they're giving that guy one of the blue suits, especially not with pilot's wings on it.

My apologies, I thought it was slang for a business suit

I almost spit my soda out at my TV and laptop reading this.
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