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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:43 pm

Surprised this is even a post. No smoking indoors in public buildings is already a thing of the past....
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:54 pm

Francoflier wrote:
Blerg wrote:
If people want to smoke then we should let them smoke, their life, their choices. They can be whoever they want to be.


Sure, as long as they pay for their own medical bill when their habit collects its toll... But that's not the case, now, is it?
Instead, part of my insurance premium goes towards curing people who inflict diseases onto themselves through their lack of self-control.

In light of the above, however, I agree with your second point, as I believe over-eating to be in the same category as smoking.


So by your reasoning, we should ban the bars, because drinkers are obviously destroying their bodies as well.

Take out a good 60-70% of the restaurants that serve unhealthy food.

What else should we do?
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:00 am

speedbird52 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
As a smoker I'm disappointed. This made connecting in ATL a lot less of a headache. I get the reasoning behind it, but I never notice the smell leaking out of the rooms at all. Don't see why they need to get rid of them. People smoke, they're going to keep smoking whether the rooms are there or not, and they're going to clog security. Given the fact that the vast majority of people in ATL are connecting, they're all going to be going in and out of the sterile area, especially when there are delays. Me personally? I have Clear and Pre-Check so I'll most likely be through in 5 mins or less, but not everyone has these perks.

Of course you don't, because you are desensitized to the smell. Just like I don't notice the smell of cow manure


Guess again. Not desensitized to the smell at all. I've hugged people who's clothes smell like stale cigarette smoke, smells like crap. I've been in elevators after a fellow smoker exited. Smells like crap. I've been past those smoking rooms tons of times without entering. Nothing. People are LITERALLY SMOKING in there and I don't get a whiff of anything.
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
usxguy wrote:
Im not a smoker, but this is a shame. The smoking lounges were a good escape for many.

Smoking helps calm nerves and whatnot and the rooms didn't seem to cause others any problems....


Then, how did us non-smokers learn to have calm nerves?

GF


By going to the bar

musman9853 wrote:
evank516 wrote:
As a smoker I'm disappointed. This made connecting in ATL a lot less of a headache. I get the reasoning behind it, but I never notice the smell leaking out of the rooms at all. Don't see why they need to get rid of them. People smoke, they're going to keep smoking whether the rooms are there or not, and they're going to clog security. Given the fact that the vast majority of people in ATL are connecting, they're all going to be going in and out of the sterile area, especially when there are delays. Me personally? I have Clear and Pre-Check so I'll most likely be through in 5 mins or less, but not everyone has these perks.



with all due respect, the amount of people smoking in the US has plummeted (barring the recent troubling rise of vaping). people aren't gonna keep smoking.


LOL. You really think the decrease in smoking lounges in airports has anything to do with it? Please tell me you don't.


United787 wrote:
micstatic wrote:

Lastly, this isn't a political correctness issue, it is a public health issue. Airport staff still need to clean and maintain these smoking rooms. They shouldn't be subjected to that.


Do you know how many airport staff I see go in there and have a smoke themselves before or after cleaning?

I haven't seen statistics, but I'd be willing to put money on the South having a higher population of smokers compared to other regions of the country (except the Plains). Also, people who go into the airport bars and drink smell like booze, which I can't stand. Let's close airport bars too.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:21 am

I'm not a smoker and I don't understand why they had to close those spaces. They could have charged an entrance fee and put the money to better use. $1 or $2 would have been fairly reasonable and that amounts to a lot of money at the end of the day.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:35 am

planecane wrote:
XRadar98 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:

Welcome to Canada circa 2002-2006.

Do any US states still allow smoking in public places like restaurants? I’d like to know which ones to avoid visiting.


Don’t go to Nevada, smoking everywhere.

Not true. Smoking in the casinos yes but smoking is banned indoors except for in the casino, and a few exceptions.

Due to the exemptions in the Nevada Clean Indoor Air Act, smoking is still allowed in the following places: Gaming areas of casinos where loitering by minors is restricted by law. Completely enclosed areas with stand-alone bars, taverns, and saloons in which patrons under 21 years of age are prohibited from entering.


And indoors usually includes a casino, or gambling devices. Grocery stores are a good example. And I did notice in the airport there was a smoking section. I
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:21 am

evank516 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
usxguy wrote:
Im not a smoker, but this is a shame. The smoking lounges were a good escape for many.

Smoking helps calm nerves and whatnot and the rooms didn't seem to cause others any problems....

Then, how did us non-smokers learn to have calm nerves?

By going to the bar

And what about the non-smokers and non-drinkers. :duck:
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:28 am

XRadar98 wrote:
planecane wrote:
XRadar98 wrote:

Don’t go to Nevada, smoking everywhere.

Not true. Smoking in the casinos yes but smoking is banned indoors except for in the casino, and a few exceptions.

Due to the exemptions in the Nevada Clean Indoor Air Act, smoking is still allowed in the following places: Gaming areas of casinos where loitering by minors is restricted by law. Completely enclosed areas with stand-alone bars, taverns, and saloons in which patrons under 21 years of age are prohibited from entering.


And indoors usually includes a casino, or gambling devices. Grocery stores are a good example. And I did notice in the airport there was a smoking section. I


But only in the "gaming area of casinos" which would only include a very small part of a grocery store if it qualifies and patrons under 21 are prohibited in the area.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:29 am

Some quick observations from my experience as a volunteer at DFW Airport (where smoking is limited to the lower level curbside)
-In my 5 years at DFW the NUMBER 1 QUESTION is "where can I have a smoke?"
-Most of our smokers are arriving international passengers connecting at DFW
-Some people get upset (especially people from overseas) that "you have a room where pets can pee but I can't smoke"
-Gradually over the past 2-3 years people have "come more to terms" with the fact you can't smoke in most US airports
-In my 5 years only once have I encountered a smokey bathroom (custodial staff were very quick handling the issue).
-Since there are 2-3 TSA checkpoints per terminal, most smokers are willing to go out since curb -> gate isn't too bad of a walk

People will adapt just like when smoking was banned on planes 20 years ago
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:42 am

WayexTDI wrote:
JAAlbert wrote:
BrodieBruce wrote:
The Nanny State claims another victim.


Or the government is appropriately protecting the health and well being of the 86% of the US population that does not smoke. For many non-smokers the smell of cigarettes is difficult to tolerate and if you have a breathing condition - asthma, allergies - it can trigger an attack. Virtually all public buildings are smoke-free. This is ATL (finally) acting responsibly and in line with current norms.

That's still Nanny State mentality: we will decide what's best for your health, not you.

If you have breathing condition, then I am wondering if being in an airport is wise in the first place: airports (even more so International Airports) are breeding grounds for bacteria, diseases and such, most of which are benign for the vast majority of people. So, it might be wiser to protect yourself with a mask, which would also protect from the tiny bit of smoke that might escape from those rooms when the door opens.
Just saying...


Maybe the solution is simply to sue smokers and sick people who go to work and/or travel. It's not hard to prove that either group has caused harm. The big difference between smokers and other vices (e.g. candy, coca cola, fried chicken) is that you have a choice with other social vices. Smokers impose their toxic filth on you and sometimes you can't escape, such as in a building or sitting next to a guy that just smoked before the flight. In the case of smokers, there is literally a mountain of evidence showing harm. Again, just replace cigarettes with my hyperbolic example of smoking plutonium cigarettes. I bet people would react to that!
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:56 am

jfern022 wrote:
Francoflier wrote:
Blerg wrote:
If people want to smoke then we should let them smoke, their life, their choices. They can be whoever they want to be.


Sure, as long as they pay for their own medical bill when their habit collects its toll... But that's not the case, now, is it?
Instead, part of my insurance premium goes towards curing people who inflict diseases onto themselves through their lack of self-control.

In light of the above, however, I agree with your second point, as I believe over-eating to be in the same category as smoking.


So by your reasoning, we should ban the bars, because drinkers are obviously destroying their bodies as well.

Take out a good 60-70% of the restaurants that serve unhealthy food.

What else should we do?


Bars and restaurants with unhealthy foods do not impose or force anything on you. Smokers literally emit toxic particulates that cling to clothes, floors, lungs, skin, eyes, ears, noses, curtains, carpet, babies and children, walls, air conditioning systems, etc. It's virtually impossible to clean anything of these carcinogenic compounds because they chemically react and form new chemical bonds. It is literally easier to clean radioactive contamination from a room than it is to clean the effects of a smoker. At least with bars and restaurants, you can stand right next to either without suffering from toxic/cancerous effects. That cannot be said of smokers. Their effects are local and remote, immediate and latent.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:02 am

AirKevin wrote:
evank516 wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
Then, how did us non-smokers learn to have calm nerves?

By going to the bar

And what about the non-smokers and non-drinkers. :duck:


You mean .0001% of the population?? :lol:
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:39 am

evank516 wrote:
As a smoker I'm disappointed. This made connecting in ATL a lot less of a headache. I get the reasoning behind it, but I never notice the smell leaking out of the rooms at all. Don't see why they need to get rid of them. People smoke, they're going to keep smoking whether the rooms are there or not, and they're going to clog security.

It's not as though these rooms never needed cleaning and maintenance. Once the space is repurposed, as MIflyer12 put it so well, the space will go from costing money to making money...
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:07 am

I'm a smoker and I don't really see an issue here. I'd say that smoking rooms probably do make more sense at large hub airports like ATL than they do at say, SNA, but as much as I'd like to grab a quick smoke on a layover, it's not the end of the world if I have to wait to get where I'm going and not bother my seatmate. Most smokers I know usually fly with some sort of nicotine gum to deal with cravings should they arise, I usually just chew a toothpick or regular gum.

The old smoking rooms at SLC were pretty nice though, sorry to hear that those are also no more (though it's been years since I've flown through there).
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:40 am

My lungs are super uber sensitive to second hand cig smoke. I've sat next to people on flights that made me nauseous, the smell of the smoke can be overwhelming, but the second hand fumes coming off of the clothing usually mean I have to wear a mask.


I'm in a similar boat, and I can completely relate. Of course, when I made the same point some months back the last time a similar subject came up, people on this board said it was my fault that I'm allegedly genetically deficient in not being able to handle the smell, that it was my problem. Buckle up, 'cuz a few A-nutters are likely about to unload the same spiel on you!
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:55 am

greendot wrote:
jfern022 wrote:
Francoflier wrote:

Sure, as long as they pay for their own medical bill when their habit collects its toll... But that's not the case, now, is it?
Instead, part of my insurance premium goes towards curing people who inflict diseases onto themselves through their lack of self-control.

In light of the above, however, I agree with your second point, as I believe over-eating to be in the same category as smoking.


So by your reasoning, we should ban the bars, because drinkers are obviously destroying their bodies as well.

Take out a good 60-70% of the restaurants that serve unhealthy food.

What else should we do?


Bars and restaurants with unhealthy foods do not impose or force anything on you. Smokers literally emit toxic particulates that cling to clothes, floors, lungs, skin, eyes, ears, noses, curtains, carpet, babies and children, walls, air conditioning systems, etc. It's virtually impossible to clean anything of these carcinogenic compounds because they chemically react and form new chemical bonds. It is literally easier to clean radioactive contamination from a room than it is to clean the effects of a smoker. At least with bars and restaurants, you can stand right next to either without suffering from toxic/cancerous effects. That cannot be said of smokers. Their effects are local and remote, immediate and latent.


You do realize that we are talking about smoking rooms, closed and highly ventilated rooms. You can't smell anything while outside and since most of them are well ventilated there is no smoke cloud inside meaning people who come out do not stink of smoke. I think you are overreacting and insisting on something that simply isn't so. Like I wrote before, who wants to smoke can, it's their God given right and it's not up to us to take that right away from them. Especially not until fast food restaurants and bars at airports are not regulated, taxed or restricted otherwise it would be hypocritical.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:41 am

I’m a cigarette and marijuana smoker. I am also a consumer of CBD edibles and the occasional Xanax. I am a passenger with self-awareness and courtesy of others. Though, I disagree with the smoking ban, I agree that most smokers fail to consider the discomfort of the non-smokers in the form of the cigarette scent that lingers on clothing. Personally, I travel with Aēsop products to spray myself with their plant-based products to avoid discomfort toward others.

But let me tell you what’s worse than the lingering odor of stale tobacco...

+ American (USA) passengers of high-body mass (inconsiderate fat people) whom purchase Economy/Coach/Main Cabin seats; which inconvenience the discomfort of others.
+ Parents (mostly USA) whom neglect the level of noise generated from their misbehaved children because of their poor parenting and sense of entitlement. I’ve flown DELTA and Korean Air to/from Seoul from Los Angeles (and Atlanta) and the parenting skills are clearly worse among the American Families.
+ Atlanta/Hartsfield-Jackson paper bags of to-go food (hot items) taken onboard creating a stench of fried food which linger on the clothing of fellow passengers for whatever duration.

So, if I need a cigarette, it’s because I’ve had to deal with your body mass spilling into my seat due to your overweight/overeating issues and/or your kids being willful. I am glad to consume marijuana edibles, however, it is illegal to travel with them in many cases which means I am limited within the laws of the land.

Let me have my fucking cigarette in peace and I’ll let you eat your Burger King Whoppers or whatever it is you consume that makes you wear 36” waist pants and/or Size 10+ dresses.
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:12 am

Dominion301 wrote:
Trk1 wrote:
Good news--Atlanta welcome to the rest of the United States


Welcome to Canada circa 2002-2006.

Do any US states still allow smoking in public places like restaurants? I’d like to know which ones to avoid visiting.


Missouri
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:21 am

planecane wrote:
XRadar98 wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:

Welcome to Canada circa 2002-2006.

Do any US states still allow smoking in public places like restaurants? I’d like to know which ones to avoid visiting.


Don’t go to Nevada, smoking everywhere.

Not true. Smoking in the casinos yes but smoking is banned indoors except for in the casino, and a few exceptions.

Due to the exemptions in the Nevada Clean Indoor Air Act, smoking is still allowed in the following places: Gaming areas of casinos where loitering by minors is restricted by law. Completely enclosed areas with stand-alone bars, taverns, and saloons in which patrons under 21 years of age are prohibited from entering.


As a person with lung damage as a child from a fire. I won't do casino's because of the smoke level. It's kind of a good thing, no gambling additcion to go with the smoking & drinking problems there.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:38 am

BC77008 wrote:
This is why I vape - you can do it very easily in a restroom stall, an aircraft lavatory, etc. and people are none the wiser. (The vape I use does not emit a huge cloud of steam).


Yes untill you get caught and pay that big fine to the government. Also if you use nicotine based vape, you do send particles out for non smokers & kids on the plane to breath in. Glad to see your habit is more important than a child on that plane becoming the next addict.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:05 am

alfa164 wrote:
JAAlbert wrote:
BrodieBruce wrote:
The Nanny State claims another victim.

Or the government is appropriately protecting the health and well being of the 86% of the US population that does not smoke. For many non-smokers the smell of cigarettes is difficult to tolerate and if you have a breathing condition - asthma, allergies - it can trigger an attack. Virtually all public buildings are smoke-free. This is ATL (finally) acting responsibly and in line with current norms.


:checkmark: The citizens spoke a long time ago, and no truly civilized person wants a burning, toxic paper fire-log dangling from his or her mouth. There is no drunk-room at an airport for those who cannot control their imbibing; no spitting room for anyone who thinks that is a proper public display. There is no reason an airport should cater to any other harmful and dangerous practice.


BuildingMyBento wrote:
BrodieBruce wrote:
The Nanny State claims another victim. That was one of the redeeming qualities about flying through ATL.


Victims are those who have to deal with smokers.


:checkmark: :checkmark: . This. And anyone around them.

BuildingMyBento wrote:
Go move to Tunisia or China.


I have a friend who always says, "There is only one good thing about cigarettes...

...they kill the smokers.."


;)



There are drunk rooma at all airports. They are called Bars!.
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:16 am

IslandRob wrote:
Blerg wrote:
Like someone mentioned above, these will be most likely replaced by fast food restaurants which will contribute to the diabetes epidemic that's ravaging the US. I mean, according to official statistics, there are more than 100.000.000 people in the US living with diabetes or pre-diabetes.


The answer is obvious: replace the smoking lounge with a gym. -ir


I like that idea. After all exercise does reduce stress.
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:40 am

EvanWSFO wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
EvanWSFO wrote:

Cannabis is well known to have medicinal value. Tobacco products do not, they just cause health problems to smokers and those around them. It's not that difficult to understand.


Cannabis is just another crutch!

GF


Ummm....no. For people with cancer, it makes life bearable. Trust me, I know.


It also helps patents on meds that make them sick to their stomach eat. If you want to do pot in food or other ways thats fine. But do not do it around people in public.

If my habit affects your health & it's not your habit. I do not have a right to force you to be affected by it.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:46 am

I'd love a gym at the airport. If I'm on a long layover, I could hit the gym for an hour, work off the stress, take a nice shower, and not have to deal with smokers, 'cuz you know, they're off killing themselves slowly instead of working out, getting fit, and so on.

I'm always amazed at how smokers try to defend their addiction. Look, I'm sorry that you're drug addicts (nicotine, for example), but that's precisely what you are - drug addict. Please try to kick the habit, and live healthier lives. Its easy to make fun of the obese folks out there, or the ones who bring smelly food on board as some in this thread have done. However, someone else's obesity or smelly fast food doesn't really harm someone else. It doesn't lead to other people getting sick through things like second hand smoke. If someone is too large to fit in the seat next to you then call am FA. However, that person likely won't kill you. Smoking will, long term.

So please, stop trying to rationalize. Just stop smoking. Live healthier. Live longer. Enjoy life. I truly wish you the best.
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:02 am

AirAfreak wrote:
I’m a cigarette and marijuana smoker. I am also a consumer of CBD edibles and the occasional Xanax. I am a passenger with self-awareness and courtesy of others. Though, I disagree with the smoking ban, I agree that most smokers fail to consider the discomfort of the non-smokers in the form of the cigarette scent that lingers on clothing. Personally, I travel with Aēsop products to spray myself with their plant-based products to avoid discomfort toward others.

But let me tell you what’s worse than the lingering odor of stale tobacco...

+ American (USA) passengers of high-body mass (inconsiderate fat people) whom purchase Economy/Coach/Main Cabin seats; which inconvenience the discomfort of others.
+ Parents (mostly USA) whom neglect the level of noise generated from their misbehaved children because of their poor parenting and sense of entitlement. I’ve flown DELTA and Korean Air to/from Seoul from Los Angeles (and Atlanta) and the parenting skills are clearly worse among the American Families.
+ Atlanta/Hartsfield-Jackson paper bags of to-go food (hot items) taken onboard creating a stench of fried food which linger on the clothing of fellow passengers for whatever duration.

So, if I need a cigarette, it’s because I’ve had to deal with your body mass spilling into my seat due to your overweight/overeating issues and/or your kids being willful. I am glad to consume marijuana edibles, however, it is illegal to travel with them in many cases which means I am limited within the laws of the land.

Let me have my fucking cigarette in peace and I’ll let you eat your Burger King Whoppers or whatever it is you consume that makes you wear 36” waist pants and/or Size 10+ dresses.


lol. You think 36" pants make you fat. I know plenty og guys over 6 ft, in great shape that have 36" pants.
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:08 am

Aptivaboy wrote:
I'd love a gym at the airport. If I'm on a long layover, I could hit the gym for an hour, work off the stress, take a nice shower, and not have to deal with smokers, 'cuz you know, they're off killing themselves slowly instead of working out, getting fit, and so on.

I'm always amazed at how smokers try to defend their addiction. Look, I'm sorry that you're drug addicts (nicotine, for example), but that's precisely what you are - drug addict. Please try to kick the habit, and live healthier lives. Its easy to make fun of the obese folks out there, or the ones who bring smelly food on board as some in this thread have done. However, someone else's obesity or smelly fast food doesn't really harm someone else. It doesn't lead to other people getting sick through things like second hand smoke. If someone is too large to fit in the seat next to you then call am FA. However, that person likely won't kill you. Smoking will, long term.

So please, stop trying to rationalize. Just stop smoking. Live healthier. Live longer. Enjoy life. I truly wish you the best.


You forgot the Coke a Cola & other Caffeinated soda, energy drink and coffee drinkers.
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:23 am

On the other side of the coin, and not that it'll help anyone having to endure connections in the US, CPH will shortly be opening it's second outdoor smoking area past security. The demand is there, and the airport is willing to meet that demand. Customer service, you know.

When the UK banned smoking indoors, or outdoors if there were more than 2 sides and a roof on the building, I stopped using BA and LHR as the preferred carrier to the US. When AMS tore down the smoking booths, KL recorded a drop in connecting passengers and had a hissy fit, resulting in smoking areas being quickly reintroduced.

Smoking is still legal, let's stop pretend otherwise and discontinue attempting criminalise those who partake in a legal activity.

PS
Am presently vacationing in southern France, was sat at a bar in St. Tropez enjoying a drink and a smoke. The table next to ours were occupied by Americans, who loudly started moaning about me and my GF lighting up. After a couple of smokes, one of the Americans said 'your smoking is ruining our holiday', to which I replied 'go back to the States then'. The look on the fella's face was absolutely priceless, and the gift just kept on giving when the waiter came and exchanged our ashtray and offered to light up my smoke. The American contingent left the bar in very quick order, and are undoubtedly still out there searching in vain for a French bar without ashtrays.
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:48 am

evank516 wrote:
AirKevin wrote:
evank516 wrote:
By going to the bar

And what about the non-smokers and non-drinkers. :duck:

You mean .0001% of the population?? :lol:

Side note: I don't smoke, nor do I drink. I do a lot of driving around, given my job,so drinking isn't an option.
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:00 am

Aptivaboy wrote:
I'd love a gym at the airport. If I'm on a long layover, I could hit the gym for an hour, work off the stress, take a nice shower, and not have to deal with smokers, 'cuz you know, they're off killing themselves slowly instead of working out, getting fit, and so on.

I'm always amazed at how smokers try to defend their addiction. Look, I'm sorry that you're drug addicts (nicotine, for example), but that's precisely what you are - drug addict. Please try to kick the habit, and live healthier lives. Its easy to make fun of the obese folks out there, or the ones who bring smelly food on board as some in this thread have done. However, someone else's obesity or smelly fast food doesn't really harm someone else. It doesn't lead to other people getting sick through things like second hand smoke. If someone is too large to fit in the seat next to you then call am FA. However, that person likely won't kill you. Smoking will, long term.

So please, stop trying to rationalize. Just stop smoking. Live healthier. Live longer. Enjoy life. I truly wish you the best.


1) The smell of cigarette smoke on clothes is not second hand smoke (which is the only thing that affects people actually on the plane since most people don't light up onboard). 2) I go to a gym 5 days per week and smoke about a pack of cigarettes a day. I've lost over 100 lbs since I was 18. 3) Don't tell me what to do with my body. I'm really not worried about death, we've already had our encounter and it doesn't scare me.
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:09 am

aumaverick wrote:
Remember buying a ticket for a flight in the "smoking" section?

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I remember having to fly in the back of a BN 727 from SFO to DFW, because there no nonsmoking seats left. Ironically some smokers' lives were saved due to being near the tail of aircraft in some crashes.
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:01 pm

B777LRF wrote:
On the other side of the coin, and not that it'll help anyone having to endure connections in the US, CPH will shortly be opening it's second outdoor smoking area past security. The demand is there, and the airport is willing to meet that demand. Customer service, you know.

When the UK banned smoking indoors, or outdoors if there were more than 2 sides and a roof on the building, I stopped using BA and LHR as the preferred carrier to the US. When AMS tore down the smoking booths, KL recorded a drop in connecting passengers and had a hissy fit, resulting in smoking areas being quickly reintroduced.

Smoking is still legal, let's stop pretend otherwise and discontinue attempting criminalise those who partake in a legal activity.

PS
Am presently vacationing in southern France, was sat at a bar in St. Tropez enjoying a drink and a smoke. The table next to ours were occupied by Americans, who loudly started moaning about me and my GF lighting up. After a couple of smokes, one of the Americans said 'your smoking is ruining our holiday', to which I replied 'go back to the States then'. The look on the fella's face was absolutely priceless, and the gift just kept on giving when the waiter came and exchanged our ashtray and offered to light up my smoke. The American contingent left the bar in very quick order, and are undoubtedly still out there searching in vain for a French bar without ashtrays.


Yeah, that evil couple! All they wanted was to not get cancer, f them.
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:41 pm

rbavfan wrote:
Dominion301 wrote:
Trk1 wrote:
Good news--Atlanta welcome to the rest of the United States


Welcome to Canada circa 2002-2006.

Do any US states still allow smoking in public places like restaurants? I’d like to know which ones to avoid visiting.


Missouri


That's an easy state to avoid. :duck:
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:43 pm

Blerg wrote:
greendot wrote:
jfern022 wrote:

So by your reasoning, we should ban the bars, because drinkers are obviously destroying their bodies as well.

Take out a good 60-70% of the restaurants that serve unhealthy food.

What else should we do?


Bars and restaurants with unhealthy foods do not impose or force anything on you. Smokers literally emit toxic particulates that cling to clothes, floors, lungs, skin, eyes, ears, noses, curtains, carpet, babies and children, walls, air conditioning systems, etc. It's virtually impossible to clean anything of these carcinogenic compounds because they chemically react and form new chemical bonds. It is literally easier to clean radioactive contamination from a room than it is to clean the effects of a smoker. At least with bars and restaurants, you can stand right next to either without suffering from toxic/cancerous effects. That cannot be said of smokers. Their effects are local and remote, immediate and latent.


You do realize that we are talking about smoking rooms, closed and highly ventilated rooms. You can't smell anything while outside and since most of them are well ventilated there is no smoke cloud inside meaning people who come out do not stink of smoke. I think you are overreacting and insisting on something that simply isn't so. Like I wrote before, who wants to smoke can, it's their God given right and it's not up to us to take that right away from them. Especially not until fast food restaurants and bars at airports are not regulated, taxed or restricted otherwise it would be hypocritical.


Yet, I get a physiological response from them within a few hundred feet? Some people are more biologically sensitive with real effects more than others. Even if they were negative pressured, double walled (they are not), it would still have some leakage. It also doesn't have any way to prevent toxic particulates from being dispersed through the smoker's clothes, body, and even breath. What happens when that smoker sits next to you? That noxious smell isn't cologne; it's toxic, carcinogenic particulates. That's why people like me have a physiological response. You can say I'm overreacting but I have to walk past those rooms and deal with the filfth of smokers weekly since I work through ATL.

Yes, it's their God given right. It's also my God given right to not be hurt by others chemical addictions. They are hurting me.

Like I said before, it's FAR easier to clean up radioactive contamination than it is to clean up cigarette particulates. Cigarette particulates chemically interact with everything they touch. There are hundreds of compounds, most carcinogenic, that come from smoking. At least with radioactive dust, you merely have to vacuum up all the dust to get rid of the problem. The same is NOT true of smoking.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:47 pm

evank516 wrote:
Aptivaboy wrote:
I'd love a gym at the airport. If I'm on a long layover, I could hit the gym for an hour, work off the stress, take a nice shower, and not have to deal with smokers, 'cuz you know, they're off killing themselves slowly instead of working out, getting fit, and so on.

I'm always amazed at how smokers try to defend their addiction. Look, I'm sorry that you're drug addicts (nicotine, for example), but that's precisely what you are - drug addict. Please try to kick the habit, and live healthier lives. Its easy to make fun of the obese folks out there, or the ones who bring smelly food on board as some in this thread have done. However, someone else's obesity or smelly fast food doesn't really harm someone else. It doesn't lead to other people getting sick through things like second hand smoke. If someone is too large to fit in the seat next to you then call am FA. However, that person likely won't kill you. Smoking will, long term.

So please, stop trying to rationalize. Just stop smoking. Live healthier. Live longer. Enjoy life. I truly wish you the best.


1) The smell of cigarette smoke on clothes is not second hand smoke (which is the only thing that affects people actually on the plane since most people don't light up onboard). 2) I go to a gym 5 days per week and smoke about a pack of cigarettes a day. I've lost over 100 lbs since I was 18. 3) Don't tell me what to do with my body. I'm really not worried about death, we've already had our encounter and it doesn't scare me.


You're just rationalizing your chemical dependency which is your recourse for being weak minded. If you truly cared about yourself and others near you, you would stop smoking.

1) Whatever you call it, it's harmful.
2) Lots of people lose weight without chemical addictions. You're hurting your body immensely.
3) Then you should be more concerned about others.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:47 pm

B777LRF wrote:
On the other side of the coin, and not that it'll help anyone having to endure connections in the US, CPH will shortly be opening it's second outdoor smoking area past security. The demand is there, and the airport is willing to meet that demand. Customer service, you know.

When the UK banned smoking indoors, or outdoors if there were more than 2 sides and a roof on the building, I stopped using BA and LHR as the preferred carrier to the US. When AMS tore down the smoking booths, KL recorded a drop in connecting passengers and had a hissy fit, resulting in smoking areas being quickly reintroduced.

Smoking is still legal, let's stop pretend otherwise and discontinue attempting criminalise those who partake in a legal activity.

PS
Am presently vacationing in southern France, was sat at a bar in St. Tropez enjoying a drink and a smoke. The table next to ours were occupied by Americans, who loudly started moaning about me and my GF lighting up. After a couple of smokes, one of the Americans said 'your smoking is ruining our holiday', to which I replied 'go back to the States then'. The look on the fella's face was absolutely priceless, and the gift just kept on giving when the waiter came and exchanged our ashtray and offered to light up my smoke. The American contingent left the bar in very quick order, and are undoubtedly still out there searching in vain for a French bar without ashtrays.


I fully agree. A non smoker here but I support those who ask for a place to smoke in certain public areas, as long as those areas are properly isolated. Especially at airports, as I get to understand that after 14 hours on a metal tube and with 4 more to arrive to your destination in another metal tube, you need a cigarrette.

If you, as a government, want to ban smoking because of how dangerous it is to the people, just make cigarrettes ilegal. Oh, sorry, I forgot about the amount of money it makes on taxes for that same government.
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:53 pm

Aptivaboy wrote:
I'd love a gym at the airport. If I'm on a long layover, I could hit the gym for an hour, work off the stress, take a nice shower, and not have to deal with smokers, 'cuz you know, they're off killing themselves slowly instead of working out, getting fit, and so on.

I'm always amazed at how smokers try to defend their addiction. Look, I'm sorry that you're drug addicts (nicotine, for example), but that's precisely what you are - drug addict. Please try to kick the habit, and live healthier lives. Its easy to make fun of the obese folks out there, or the ones who bring smelly food on board as some in this thread have done. However, someone else's obesity or smelly fast food doesn't really harm someone else. It doesn't lead to other people getting sick through things like second hand smoke. If someone is too large to fit in the seat next to you then call am FA. However, that person likely won't kill you. Smoking will, long term.

So please, stop trying to rationalize. Just stop smoking. Live healthier. Live longer. Enjoy life. I truly wish you the best.


You're absolutely right about everything you've said.

Smokers love to rationalize their addiction by citing a fast food/unhealthy diet false equivalency. They are two totally different arguments. One is not equal to the other! Like you said, a fast food eater does not hurt a smoker. On the other hand, a smoker harms everyone around them and anyone who crosses the same areas that the smoker did. Carcinogenic/toxic particulates chemically react and fuse with walls, clothes, and virtually anything. That harms people months and months later, possibly well into years later. I've been at hotels where I've had to change rooms, and even buildings, multiple times because I had a reaction to the aftereffects from getting into beds, walls, air conditioners, bathrooms, etc.

Sorry these people have a chemical addiction and drug use problem but I shouldn't suffer because of them.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:57 pm

AitorL wrote:
B777LRF wrote:
If you, as a government, want to ban smoking because of how dangerous it is to the people, just make cigarrettes ilegal. Oh, sorry, I forgot about the amount of money it makes on taxes for that same government.


I don't think it's necessary to make them illegal. However, smokers need to be more legally liable for their aftereffects. For example, if you're stuck next to a smoker-in-denial on your flight, you ought to be able to sue them for harm. There's plenty of scientific evidence from decades of legal action against tobacco companies for lying about the ill-effects of smoking. Yes, smoking in public places such as airports and right outside the airport (e.g. shuttle waiting area) ought to be illegal since you're still being harmed in such close proximity. But, if a smoker goes into an airport and someone reacts to it, then they need legal precedence for suing that smoker for harm.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:12 pm

FlyingElvii wrote:
I get political correctness, but a percentage of travelers are going to smoke. PERIOD.
Designated smoking area outside, BEFORE security.
As I recall, they tried this once before decade and a half ago, and it was a bit of a disaster. The extra 5-8,000 heads a day through security caused delays and missed connections, and employees reverted to smoking all over the place, instead of the designated areas.

Why do they go kneejerk reaction, instead of thinking things through?

https://www.sfgate.com/news/us/article/ ... 084674.php

Until now, I never understood the use of the word "Period" as a stand alone word without a verb, mostly following a sentence that ended correctly with a period. Now I'm beginning to think that it indicated the writer is a pre-menopausal woman who is explaining why she is complaining at this time in the month! :P

Otherwise what is the point of writing "Period"? Every new sentence normally follows a period, so it's not like it has some mystic power to stop a next sentence, including a response. Seems it might be a tool of those too lazy or unable to further define and elaborate why their preceding sentence(s) are so convincing, or that they think it demonstrates a debating trick that stops any counter arguments in their tracks.

It is a use that I, for one, find rather irritating and childish.

On the smoking room topic, in T2 of NAIA Manila until quite recently, the only place post security and immigration to buy a beer was is the smoking room. You could go in and smoke without pressure to buy a drink, but not the other way round! You could dart in, buy a can of beer, and dart out again, and drink your beer without the smoke. There, the ventilation system was not as good as it seems in the mighty US of A, and the room was full of blue smoke!
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:34 pm

When does this ban go into effect? As someone with an exceptional sense if smell, dare I hope that in ten days when I transition through ATL I won't have to deal with smoking? Yes, I can still smell cigarettes a decade after use in rooms. My comments forced an expensive rebuild of a room being turned into a clean room (above false ceiling area cleaned, false ceiling and drywall had to be replaced).

Or will the rooms still be filled with smokers?

Clean the space and use for seating, playroom, doggie relief, a coffee bar, or something more passengers care about.

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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:51 pm

B777LRF wrote:
On the other side of the coin, and not that it'll help anyone having to endure connections in the US, CPH will shortly be opening it's second outdoor smoking area past security. The demand is there, and the airport is willing to meet that demand. Customer service, you know.

When the UK banned smoking indoors, or outdoors if there were more than 2 sides and a roof on the building, I stopped using BA and LHR as the preferred carrier to the US. When AMS tore down the smoking booths, KL recorded a drop in connecting passengers and had a hissy fit, resulting in smoking areas being quickly reintroduced.

Smoking is still legal, let's stop pretend otherwise and discontinue attempting criminalise those who partake in a legal activity.


To be clear, smoking is still legal under certain circumstances. In many states, it is not legal to smoke indoors in public buildings at all. These decisions are often not just policy choices by an airport; various states and cities have Clean Air acts, fire codes, building codes, and so on that regulate indoor air quality, and that can (and does) include smoking.

These restrictions are perfectly reasonable, just as there are restrictions on consumption of alcohol, even though that is also a legal activity.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:59 pm

You could always tell when your seatmate had been in one of those smoke holes, marinating themselves, their bags, and their clothing in that stench. I've nearly wanted to vomit my way across the country once or twice. Do they not realize how awful they smell after coming out of those places? Good riddance.
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:59 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
a320fan wrote:

Having children is also a gross and dirty process, and a choice as well. Should the rest of society cater to other people's need to breed?


That's an award-winning comment right there. Wow.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:17 pm

1) The smell of cigarette smoke on clothes is not second hand smoke (which is the only thing that affects people actually on the plane since most people don't light up onboard). 2) I go to a gym 5 days per week and smoke about a pack of cigarettes a day. I've lost over 100 lbs since I was 18. 3) Don't tell me what to do with my body. I'm really not worried about death, we've already had our encounter and it doesn't scare me.


1. The smell is disgusting. Maybe not to you, since smokers have already largely destroyed their own senses of smell, but it is to the rest of us.

2, If you both smoke and workout, isn't that self-defeating? Aren't you just really wasting your time with the workouts when you are knowingly doing something that will kill you in the long run? Not the mention the financial costs of smoking? Imagine how much better your workouts would be, how much stronger and fitter you would be if you kicked the cancer habit?

3. I didn't tell you what to do with your body. I wished smokers the best and asked that they quit for their own good. Don't put words in my mouth, anymore than you should want to put a cancer stick in your's around other people who won't want to suffer health consequences from your bad choices.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:26 pm

Off track but I was on a cruise last week on the Majesty of The Seas and my wife and I were on the 6th floor shopping when we smelled cigarette smoke. As it turns the smoke from smokers in the casino on the same floor was drifting out to where we were shopping.
 
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:31 pm

B777LRF wrote:
Am presently vacationing in southern France, was sat at a bar in St. Tropez enjoying a drink and a smoke. The table next to ours were occupied by Americans, who loudly started moaning about me and my GF lighting up. After a couple of smokes, one of the Americans said 'your smoking is ruining our holiday', to which I replied 'go back to the States then'. The look on the fella's face was absolutely priceless, and the gift just kept on giving when the waiter came and exchanged our ashtray and offered to light up my smoke. The American contingent left the bar in very quick order, and are undoubtedly still out there searching in vain for a French bar without ashtrays.


Aren't you so proud of yourself for doing most civilized people realize is a disgusting act!

:roll:
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:44 pm

This is why the state should run the airport ☠️
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:53 pm

CantbeGrounded wrote:

OzarkD9S wrote:
a320fan wrote:

Having children is also a gross and dirty process, and a choice as well. Should the rest of society cater to other people's need to breed?


That's an award-winning comment right there. Wow.


I would rather deal with a brief cloud of smoke in an airport than an unruly child on a 4 hour flight. I'll take my award and the cash prize and exit this conversation. :biggrin:
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:17 pm

AirAfreak wrote:
and I’ll let you eat your Burger King Whoppers or whatever it is you consume that makes you wear 36” waist pants and/or Size 10+ dresses.

Don't worry, I'll market a line of nicotine additive burgers and hot dogs and you'll be right there with 36"+ waist pants. It is an addiction. So easy to do. :spin:

Just ban the common use of nicotine, ban it from cigarettes, vapes, etc and watch the use rates crash.

(Hmm, maybe what I need to do is market a line of healthy vegetables with nicotine added! :bouncy: )

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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:38 pm

Lots of people here who don't get it. It's not just the ROOMS, it's the smell that permeates the clothing and even the hair of the smoker. Why do people who make healthy life choices have to put up with smokers stench? Anywhere, not just an airport or plane.
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Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:45 pm

EvanWSFO wrote:
Lots of people here who don't get it. It's not just the ROOMS, it's the smell that permeates the clothing and even the hair of the smoker. Why do people who make healthy life choices have to put up with smokers stench? Anywhere, not just an airport or plane.

You and others don't get it either: this is Nanny State reaching out to tell you what to do and not to do.
What's next? A maximum size of the soda cup? Oh wait, that's already done...

I understand and agree that the smokers activity somehow spills out. But remember: one's freedom stops where someone else's start. So, your freedom of not being around people who have smoked prior in the day stops when that smoker's want to light one up.
There are many things in an airport that can attack your sense of smell; and smoke smell is just one of them. Should they all be banned?
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:24 pm

You're all vastly overthinking this. Some are acting like ATL is the first. Jesus, they're nearly the last! The Mayor has decided her airport shall no longer overtly endorse this activity, a position she can easily defend all day long. It's not about freedoms, liberals, or high fructose corn syrup. The coming years and decades will see other casualties. Straws, trans fats, fried chicken, outdoor smoking areas, phones on speaker, alcohol of a certain ABV *gasp* - whatever is deemed socially unacceptable, unhealthy, or bad for the earth. Airports are owning their reputations.

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