evank516
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:21 am

greendot wrote:
evank516 wrote:
Aptivaboy wrote:
I'd love a gym at the airport. If I'm on a long layover, I could hit the gym for an hour, work off the stress, take a nice shower, and not have to deal with smokers, 'cuz you know, they're off killing themselves slowly instead of working out, getting fit, and so on.

I'm always amazed at how smokers try to defend their addiction. Look, I'm sorry that you're drug addicts (nicotine, for example), but that's precisely what you are - drug addict. Please try to kick the habit, and live healthier lives. Its easy to make fun of the obese folks out there, or the ones who bring smelly food on board as some in this thread have done. However, someone else's obesity or smelly fast food doesn't really harm someone else. It doesn't lead to other people getting sick through things like second hand smoke. If someone is too large to fit in the seat next to you then call am FA. However, that person likely won't kill you. Smoking will, long term.

So please, stop trying to rationalize. Just stop smoking. Live healthier. Live longer. Enjoy life. I truly wish you the best.


1) The smell of cigarette smoke on clothes is not second hand smoke (which is the only thing that affects people actually on the plane since most people don't light up onboard). 2) I go to a gym 5 days per week and smoke about a pack of cigarettes a day. I've lost over 100 lbs since I was 18. 3) Don't tell me what to do with my body. I'm really not worried about death, we've already had our encounter and it doesn't scare me.


You're just rationalizing your chemical dependency which is your recourse for being weak minded. If you truly cared about yourself and others near you, you would stop smoking.

1) Whatever you call it, it's harmful.
2) Lots of people lose weight without chemical addictions. You're hurting your body immensely.
3) Then you should be more concerned about others.


I survived a deadly plane crash and lost my mother out of nowhere and I'm not even 30 yet. I've earned the right to do what I want with my body. And no, I don't care about anyone else. I live by myself, I have no kids, no significant other, no pets. I'm not responsible for others.
I don't attribute my weight loss to smoking, I lost weight with hard work and dedication, and the only reason I did it was for appearance, not health. I'm simply saying that you don't need to be a non or ex smoker to go to a gym.

Fine, I have a chemical dependency. I really don't care.

No, the smell of cigarette smoke on someone's clothes is NOT second hand smoke. It's thirdhand smoke. Yes it's a thing.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:45 am

WayexTDI wrote:
You and others don't get it either: this is Nanny State reaching out to tell you what to do and not to do.


:checkmark: This. Smoking bans are a real example of the Nanny State!

And while we are talking about that... so are speed limits. Stop signs. Hell, stopping people from murdering each other is a dire result of this nannyism. Why should we allow the government to protect us from dangerous practices? It is our freedom to do whatever we want - without regard to the consequences.

Right?

:roll:
I'm going to have a smokin' hot body again!
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:49 am

And no, I don't care about anyone else.


Well, that pretty much says it all.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:15 am

WayexTDI wrote:
EvanWSFO wrote:
Lots of people here who don't get it. It's not just the ROOMS, it's the smell that permeates the clothing and even the hair of the smoker. Why do people who make healthy life choices have to put up with smokers stench? Anywhere, not just an airport or plane.

You and others don't get it either: this is Nanny State reaching out to tell you what to do and not to do.
What's next? A maximum size of the soda cup? Oh wait, that's already done...

I understand and agree that the smokers activity somehow spills out. But remember: one's freedom stops where someone else's start. So, your freedom of not being around people who have smoked prior in the day stops when that smoker's want to light one up.
There are many things in an airport that can attack your sense of smell; and smoke smell is just one of them. Should they all be banned?


The many things in airports that can affect my sense of smell likely don't cause cancer. It is a filthy, disgusting habit that I do not want to be around any part of it, and by and large I have avoided it. As for living in a nanny state, well welcome to the real world. If you are just now figuring that out, well then you haven't been paying attention for the last 30 years.
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:25 am

Blerg wrote:
greendot wrote:
Blerg wrote:

You do realize that we are talking about smoking rooms, closed and highly ventilated rooms. You can't smell anything while outside and since most of them are well ventilated there is no smoke cloud inside meaning people who come out do not stink of smoke. I think you are overreacting and insisting on something that simply isn't so. Like I wrote before, who wants to smoke can, it's their God given right and it's not up to us to take that right away from them. Especially not until fast food restaurants and bars at airports are not regulated, taxed or restricted otherwise it would be hypocritical.


Yet, I get a physiological response from them within a few hundred feet? Some people are more biologically sensitive with real effects more than others. Even if they were negative pressured, double walled (they are not), it would still have some leakage. It also doesn't have any way to prevent toxic particulates from being dispersed through the smoker's clothes, body, and even breath. What happens when that smoker sits next to you? That noxious smell isn't cologne; it's toxic, carcinogenic particulates. That's why people like me have a physiological response. You can say I'm overreacting but I have to walk past those rooms and deal with the filfth of smokers weekly since I work through ATL.

Yes, it's their God given right. It's also my God given right to not be hurt by others chemical addictions. They are hurting me.

Like I said before, it's FAR easier to clean up radioactive contamination than it is to clean up cigarette particulates. Cigarette particulates chemically interact with everything they touch. There are hundreds of compounds, most carcinogenic, that come from smoking. At least with radioactive dust, you merely have to vacuum up all the dust to get rid of the problem. The same is NOT true of smoking.


They are hurting you? Give me a break and grow a pair. If you are so worried about your breathing then you might want to stay away from airports which are filled with exhaust fumes both from vehicles and airplanes. Those should bother you far more than a few smokers here and there at a massive airport.


Well, I can't stay away from those because I fly airplanes for a living. I also served my country in actual combat, so I'm pretty sure I have a pair, not to mention a brain. As for fumes from vehicles and airplanes, you probably don't know but there's a big battle going on fighting dirty aircraft cabin air. Of course, you probably have no idea. I am bothered by smokers because they are literally everywhere, harming me and infringing on my rights because of their weak minded chemical addictions. Real men don't need to smoke to deal with life.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:31 am

evank516 wrote:
greendot wrote:
evank516 wrote:

1) The smell of cigarette smoke on clothes is not second hand smoke (which is the only thing that affects people actually on the plane since most people don't light up onboard). 2) I go to a gym 5 days per week and smoke about a pack of cigarettes a day. I've lost over 100 lbs since I was 18. 3) Don't tell me what to do with my body. I'm really not worried about death, we've already had our encounter and it doesn't scare me.


You're just rationalizing your chemical dependency which is your recourse for being weak minded. If you truly cared about yourself and others near you, you would stop smoking.

1) Whatever you call it, it's harmful.
2) Lots of people lose weight without chemical addictions. You're hurting your body immensely.
3) Then you should be more concerned about others.


I survived a deadly plane crash and lost my mother out of nowhere and I'm not even 30 yet. I've earned the right to do what I want with my body. And no, I don't care about anyone else. I live by myself, I have no kids, no significant other, no pets. I'm not responsible for others.
I don't attribute my weight loss to smoking, I lost weight with hard work and dedication, and the only reason I did it was for appearance, not health. I'm simply saying that you don't need to be a non or ex smoker to go to a gym.

Fine, I have a chemical dependency. I really don't care.

No, the smell of cigarette smoke on someone's clothes is NOT second hand smoke. It's thirdhand smoke. Yes it's a thing.


You've always been able to do what you want with your body, as long as it doesn't hurt mine. Smoking is full of cancerous or otherwise harmful compounds. There is tons of scientific literature on this. It's the reason tobacco companies have lost lawsuits. Maybe you should educate yourself while you're on this Kamikaze streak. There are some of us that still care about life, and we want to live a life of non-chemical dependency.

Just wait until people like me win in court against people like you. Remember that you are causing harm to others. Go smoke far away from any public area and then decontaminate your entire disgusting person and clothes.

Secondhand and thirdhand smoke are harmful. Do more learning and less smoking.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:07 am

As is so typical, I love hearing all the squealing little authoritarians here demanding that everyone must adhere to their chosen lifestyles. I have never smoked and find it an, at best, unpleasant habit, but that doesn't mean I get to prohibit others from engaging in a legal activity. Setting aside an area where those who choose to can indulge seems... how can I put this... "tolerant?" If someone wants to smoke and it in no way impacts you, why not? Drinking alcohol is every bit the health hazard that smoking is, yet I don't see any screeching to close down the bars in airports.

Oh I know. That's different because shut up...
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:17 am

BrodieBruce wrote:
The Nanny State claims another victim.

That was one of the redeeming qualities about flying through ATL.



If either of us were to make a product has dangerous and deadly to people and others has tobacco today we would be fined and in jail for life. It's been Proven they knowingly pushed and deceived the public for money. And it's you and I that pay for all the medical bills that don't get paid. I'm for small government but we need rules and tobacco is not about freedom to do what we want its the greed from a lying deceiving company that did untold damage to the life of people and community.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:27 am

williaminsd wrote:
As is so typical, I love hearing all the squealing little authoritarians here demanding that everyone must adhere to their chosen lifestyles. I have never smoked and find it an, at best, unpleasant habit, but that doesn't mean I get to prohibit others from engaging in a legal activity. Setting aside an area where those who choose to can indulge seems... how can I put this... "tolerant?" If someone wants to smoke and it in no way impacts you, why not? Drinking alcohol is every bit the health hazard that smoking is, yet I don't see any screeching to close down the bars in airports.

Oh I know. That's different because shut up...



Public smoking does Impact others. Vaping I don't be does harm others cigarettes do. A community should have the right to say they don't want to support something that kills and damages the very community it serves it the people of community want that.

The damage done to life and soul in the name of greed from a deceiving company is not activity a community might not want to support. We should have the right to do the things we want has long has they don't affect others and public smoking does. Communities should be able to not have to support activities that damage or do harm to it members and others around them.

Individuals should have the right to smoke in there private property and residents.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:34 am

CantbeGrounded wrote:
You're all vastly overthinking this. Some are acting like ATL is the first. Jesus, they're nearly the last! The Mayor has decided her airport shall no longer overtly endorse this activity, a position she can easily defend all day long. It's not about freedoms, liberals, or high fructose corn syrup. The coming years and decades will see other casualties. Straws, trans fats, fried chicken, outdoor smoking areas, phones on speaker, alcohol of a certain ABV *gasp* - whatever is deemed socially unacceptable, unhealthy, or bad for the earth. Airports are owning their reputations.

Save your outrage for when they start to ban jets


Ya by 2022 ATL will be have 0 mad dogs. That is the crime, F smoking in the concourse we need to endorse more smoking in the air. Save the Maddog
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:35 am

For those of you looking for an airport gym, there is one at LAS, the same airport with the mini-casino smoking lounge. It’s in terminal 1 outside security. Can everyone be happy now?
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:46 am

grbauc wrote:
williaminsd wrote:
As is so typical, I love hearing all the squealing little authoritarians here demanding that everyone must adhere to their chosen lifestyles. I have never smoked and find it an, at best, unpleasant habit, but that doesn't mean I get to prohibit others from engaging in a legal activity. Setting aside an area where those who choose to can indulge seems... how can I put this... "tolerant?" If someone wants to smoke and it in no way impacts you, why not? Drinking alcohol is every bit the health hazard that smoking is, yet I don't see any screeching to close down the bars in airports.

Oh I know. That's different because shut up...



Public smoking does Impact others. Vaping I don't be does harm others cigarettes do. A community should have the right to say they don't want to support something that kills and damages the very community it serves it the people of community want that.

The damage done to life and soul in the name of greed from a deceiving company is not activity a community might not want to support. We should have the right to do the things we want has long has they don't affect others and public smoking does. Communities should be able to not have to support activities that damage or do harm to it members and others around them.

Individuals should have the right to smoke in there private property and residents.


They are in a room for smokers only. It is "public" only in that anyone has the right to enter, or not enter. You know... "choice." As far as their "souls," well I'm sorry "Father," but kind of up to them, don't you think?
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:51 am

greendot wrote:
Blerg wrote:
greendot wrote:

Yet, I get a physiological response from them within a few hundred feet? Some people are more biologically sensitive with real effects more than others. Even if they were negative pressured, double walled (they are not), it would still have some leakage. It also doesn't have any way to prevent toxic particulates from being dispersed through the smoker's clothes, body, and even breath. What happens when that smoker sits next to you? That noxious smell isn't cologne; it's toxic, carcinogenic particulates. That's why people like me have a physiological response. You can say I'm overreacting but I have to walk past those rooms and deal with the filfth of smokers weekly since I work through ATL.

Yes, it's their God given right. It's also my God given right to not be hurt by others chemical addictions. They are hurting me.

Like I said before, it's FAR easier to clean up radioactive contamination than it is to clean up cigarette particulates. Cigarette particulates chemically interact with everything they touch. There are hundreds of compounds, most carcinogenic, that come from smoking. At least with radioactive dust, you merely have to vacuum up all the dust to get rid of the problem. The same is NOT true of smoking.


They are hurting you? Give me a break and grow a pair. If you are so worried about your breathing then you might want to stay away from airports which are filled with exhaust fumes both from vehicles and airplanes. Those should bother you far more than a few smokers here and there at a massive airport.


Well, I can't stay away from those because I fly airplanes for a living. I also served my country in actual combat, so I'm pretty sure I have a pair, not to mention a brain. As for fumes from vehicles and airplanes, you probably don't know but there's a big battle going on fighting dirty aircraft cabin air. Of course, you probably have no idea. I am bothered by smokers because they are literally everywhere, harming me and infringing on my rights because of their weak minded chemical addictions. Real men don't need to smoke to deal with life.


Neither do they have to come online and nag like little girls. I have asthma and I am not a smoker yet airport smoking rooms never bothered me so I doubt they bother you that much. Also, the fact you served your country in actual combat goes to show how little brain you have since that war was probably unjustified and immoral (like most US interventions/wars are).
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:40 am

williaminsd wrote:
grbauc wrote:
williaminsd wrote:
As is so typical, I love hearing all the squealing little authoritarians here demanding that everyone must adhere to their chosen lifestyles. I have never smoked and find it an, at best, unpleasant habit, but that doesn't mean I get to prohibit others from engaging in a legal activity. Setting aside an area where those who choose to can indulge seems... how can I put this... "tolerant?" If someone wants to smoke and it in no way impacts you, why not? Drinking alcohol is every bit the health hazard that smoking is, yet I don't see any screeching to close down the bars in airports.

Oh I know. That's different because shut up...



Public smoking does Impact others. Vaping I don't be does harm others cigarettes do. A community should have the right to say they don't want to support something that kills and damages the very community it serves it the people of community want that.

The damage done to life and soul in the name of greed from a deceiving company is not activity a community might not want to support. We should have the right to do the things we want has long has they don't affect others and public smoking does. Communities should be able to not have to support activities that damage or do harm to it members and others around them.

Individuals should have the right to smoke in there private property and residents.


I believe in individual choice and a communities choice not to support certain things. Especially dangerous stuff to the community.
They are in a room for smokers only. It is "public" only in that anyone has the right to enter, or not enter. You know... "choice." As far as their "souls," well I'm sorry "Father," but kind of up to them, don't you think?





I Believe in the Individual right and find the so called drug war outrageous and a complete disaster and failure. "https://www.foxnews.com/world/ap-impact-after-40-years-1-trillion-us-war-on-drugs-has-failed-to-meet-any-of-its-goals"


I believe a communities has the right to not support certain stuff. If the people of said community want it sure go for it... I don't believe in the tail wagging the dog and I don't think we have that here.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:36 am

grbauc wrote:
BrodieBruce wrote:
The Nanny State claims another victim.

That was one of the redeeming qualities about flying through ATL.



If either of us were to make a product has dangerous and deadly to people and others has tobacco today we would be fined and in jail for life. It's been Proven they knowingly pushed and deceived the public for money. And it's you and I that pay for all the medical bills that don't get paid. I'm for small government but we need rules and tobacco is not about freedom to do what we want its the greed from a lying deceiving company that did untold damage to the life of people and community.

Fat people cost society a lot more than smokers do. Pretty sure the fast food people lie to people too. Let's ban alcohol while we're at it. I mean, alcohol causes all sorts of suffering and death. It's a menace which must be stopped. Ban bars and fast food restaurants.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:23 pm

williaminsd wrote:
grbauc wrote:
williaminsd wrote:
As is so typical, I love hearing all the squealing little authoritarians here demanding that everyone must adhere to their chosen lifestyles. I have never smoked and find it an, at best, unpleasant habit, but that doesn't mean I get to prohibit others from engaging in a legal activity. Setting aside an area where those who choose to can indulge seems... how can I put this... "tolerant?" If someone wants to smoke and it in no way impacts you, why not? Drinking alcohol is every bit the health hazard that smoking is, yet I don't see any screeching to close down the bars in airports.

Oh I know. That's different because shut up...



Public smoking does Impact others. Vaping I don't be does harm others cigarettes do. A community should have the right to say they don't want to support something that kills and damages the very community it serves it the people of community want that.

The damage done to life and soul in the name of greed from a deceiving company is not activity a community might not want to support. We should have the right to do the things we want has long has they don't affect others and public smoking does. Communities should be able to not have to support activities that damage or do harm to it members and others around them.

Individuals should have the right to smoke in there private property and residents.


They are in a room for smokers only. It is "public" only in that anyone has the right to enter, or not enter. You know... "choice." As far as their "souls," well I'm sorry "Father," but kind of up to them, don't you think?


Once again, it's not the room that is the issue for many. It's the stench that stays with smokers all the time. I could care less if someone goes in there and smokes a pack at a time. But when they come out and sit next to me on an airplane, then it's in MY health space. I don't have the choice to sit by that or not. I've asked to be moved a couple of times and was granted it, but on a full flight, I get to smell the carcinogens people are killing themselves with.
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:08 pm

I always connect in ATL when possible, just because it’s the one airport I can still smoke in post security.

I see no harm in the smoking rooms. Never once have I smelled smoke in the corridors next to the lounges.

It’s all political correctness. Nothing else.. thank God for odorless e-cigs. No smell, no tell in the restroom stall.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:40 pm

williaminsd wrote:
grbauc wrote:
williaminsd wrote:
As is so typical, I love hearing all the squealing little authoritarians here demanding that everyone must adhere to their chosen lifestyles. I have never smoked and find it an, at best, unpleasant habit, but that doesn't mean I get to prohibit others from engaging in a legal activity. Setting aside an area where those who choose to can indulge seems... how can I put this... "tolerant?" If someone wants to smoke and it in no way impacts you, why not? Drinking alcohol is every bit the health hazard that smoking is, yet I don't see any screeching to close down the bars in airports.

Oh I know. That's different because shut up...



Public smoking does Impact others. Vaping I don't be does harm others cigarettes do. A community should have the right to say they don't want to support something that kills and damages the very community it serves it the people of community want that.

The damage done to life and soul in the name of greed from a deceiving company is not activity a community might not want to support. We should have the right to do the things we want has long has they don't affect others and public smoking does. Communities should be able to not have to support activities that damage or do harm to it members and others around them.

Individuals should have the right to smoke in there private property and residents.


They are in a room for smokers only. It is "public" only in that anyone has the right to enter, or not enter. You know... "choice." As far as their "souls," well I'm sorry "Father," but kind of up to them, don't you think?


You might have missed the other fine points:
  • The rooms are leaky. I walk past them every week going to/from work. I can detect them from at least 100 ft away. My eyes start to hurt, my throat constricts, my lungs hurt, and I start to get lightheaded the longer I'm exposed to that toxic waste cloud.
  • It's not just the rooms. In fact, the toxic particulates stuck on the smokers' clothing, person, and articles lingers leaving a presence wherever they go. Wherever they walk after they smoke, they leave an incredible stench. Some people are forced to sit next to these antisocial people and ingest their toxic particulates, not to mention anyone walking just 50 ft from them. Everything they touch, door handles, seats, etc, get a coating of cigarette sludge which transmits to other people. It's a thin film but easily detectable.

The only way for smokers not to infringe on everyone's right to clean air, is for smokers to smoke in somewhere where the cigarettes latent toxins have no effects on others. This also includes getting rid of the toxic particulate plumes they emit from their clothes and personal affects after they smoke while simply walking around.

Smokers think they have no effect on people, but they do. It's filthy and toxic. It's nothing more than a slow-kill weapon. We don't need to outlaw it, but we need to start suing people who choose to smoke and choose to harm others from their pathetic chemical dependencies.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4369587/
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:45 pm

pwm2txlhopper wrote:
I always connect in ATL when possible, just because it’s the one airport I can still smoke in post security.

I see no harm in the smoking rooms. Never once have I smelled smoke in the corridors next to the lounges.

It’s all political correctness. Nothing else.. thank God for odorless e-cigs. No smell, no tell in the restroom stall.


You don't smell it because your sense of smell is significantly dulled over people like me who are normal and have no chemical dependencies.

It's not just the smell. There are highly toxic particulates that you won't ever smell. The same is true of e-cigarettes. Those things are full of heavy metals that you aerosolize when you smoke. Not to mention, they sometimes blow up on people. Clueless, anti-social ecigarette addicts often set off aircraft smoke alarms in the airplane and we often have to return to the gate or divert. Then these addicts get to find out how bad their habit really is.

And yes, I can totally tell when you smoke your ecigs in the bathroom stall. It causes asthma like symptoms in me combined with eventual headaches and mental cloudiness. Ecigs are no better than real cigarettes. Heavy metals are really bad for your brain.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:47 pm

EvanWSFO wrote:
williaminsd wrote:
grbauc wrote:


Public smoking does Impact others. Vaping I don't be does harm others cigarettes do. A community should have the right to say they don't want to support something that kills and damages the very community it serves it the people of community want that.

The damage done to life and soul in the name of greed from a deceiving company is not activity a community might not want to support. We should have the right to do the things we want has long has they don't affect others and public smoking does. Communities should be able to not have to support activities that damage or do harm to it members and others around them.

Individuals should have the right to smoke in there private property and residents.


They are in a room for smokers only. It is "public" only in that anyone has the right to enter, or not enter. You know... "choice." As far as their "souls," well I'm sorry "Father," but kind of up to them, don't you think?


Once again, it's not the room that is the issue for many. It's the stench that stays with smokers all the time. I could care less if someone goes in there and smokes a pack at a time. But when they come out and sit next to me on an airplane, then it's in MY health space. I don't have the choice to sit by that or not. I've asked to be moved a couple of times and was granted it, but on a full flight, I get to smell the carcinogens people are killing themselves with.


That's called flying with the public. I don't particularly like screeching babies on flights, or drunk, obnoxious passengers, or flatulence, or any number of unpleasant characteristics we can attribute to our fellow humans. I minimize that by flying up front whenever I can.

If you don't want to fly with your fellow humans, with all our faults, buy or charter a private jet. I don't like traveling with people who stink either. That's why I drive my own car in the morning and don't take the bus.

But on a plane I take my chances. So unless you can prove that even the mere residual aroma of a cigarette smoked 20 mins ago has some sort of health impact on you besides igniting your sneering hypocrisy, all you're being is punitive and abusing the power of the mob to allow only those lifestyles that are "Evan Approved."

Just so utterly typical.

Liberals are all about "choice," unless it's a choice they don't agree with. Then it's burn the witch time...
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:55 pm

BrodieBruce wrote:
grbauc wrote:
BrodieBruce wrote:
The Nanny State claims another victim.

That was one of the redeeming qualities about flying through ATL.



If either of us were to make a product has dangerous and deadly to people and others has tobacco today we would be fined and in jail for life. It's been Proven they knowingly pushed and deceived the public for money. And it's you and I that pay for all the medical bills that don't get paid. I'm for small government but we need rules and tobacco is not about freedom to do what we want its the greed from a lying deceiving company that did untold damage to the life of people and community.

Fat people cost society a lot more than smokers do. Pretty sure the fast food people lie to people too. Let's ban alcohol while we're at it. I mean, alcohol causes all sorts of suffering and death. It's a menace which must be stopped. Ban bars and fast food restaurants.


You are purposely conflating several unrelated concepts in order to defend and rationalize your chemical addictions.

Smoking : you can't help negatively affecting those around you. People around you have no choice if you go wherever they are. You are infringing on their right to clean air and to an environment that is not slowly killing them or exposing them.

Fat people : on an airplane, they can be asked to buy two seats. I can sit next to one ALL day and not get hurt from their proximity (as long as they occupy the space they buy).

Fast food restaurants: You don't have to go into them and they have zero effect on my health.

Medical bills: Smokers cost you money if we get socialized medicine. Right now, doctors won't help you above someone who doesn't have co-morbidities. If you're a fat smoker and in need of a kidney, you won't get one until the non-fat/non-smoker gets one first (unless you go to China where they harvest organs for money).

Alcohol: There's all kinds of laws that will put you in jail for drinking, particularly when operating vehicles. We should have similar laws or at least legal precedence to sue smokers for harm in just the same way an alcoholic can cause harm in various ways. At least with alcohol, it's legal to hurt yourself in your own house but illegal to hurt others. That's how cigarettes ought to be treated.
 
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Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:57 pm

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williaminsd wrote:
As is so typical, I love hearing all the squealing little authoritarians here demanding that everyone must adhere to their chosen lifestyles. I have never smoked and find it an, at best, unpleasant habit, but that doesn't mean I get to prohibit others from engaging in a legal activity. Setting aside an area where those who choose to can indulge seems... how can I put this... "tolerant?" If someone wants to smoke and it in no way impacts you, why not? Drinking alcohol is every bit the health hazard that smoking is, yet I don't see any screeching to close down the bars in airports.

Oh I know. That's different because shut up...



Public smoking does Impact others. Vaping I don't be does harm others cigarettes do. A community should have the right to say they don't want to support something that kills and damages the very community it serves it the people of community want that.

The damage done to life and soul in the name of greed from a deceiving company is not activity a community might not want to support. We should have the right to do the things we want has long has they don't affect others and public smoking does. Communities should be able to not have to support activities that damage or do harm to it members and others around them.

Individuals should have the right to smoke in there private property and residents.

Vaping does harm. All particulates do harm. Nicotine is a nasty poison. Ok, less benzine and other nasty byproducts of simmering combustion.

I can smell the lounges. Smokers do realize they have a quarter of the sense of smell of non smokers and men already have a quarter of the sense of smell.

People are tired of smokers blowing smoke wherever they want. Maybe smokers here have never blown smoke in someone's face, but the rest of us have enough memories we don't want to deal with it.

Time to give up the addiction.

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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:26 pm

Neither do they have to come online and nag like little girls. I have asthma and I am not a smoker yet airport smoking rooms never bothered me so I doubt they bother you that much. Also, the fact you served your country in actual combat goes to show how little brain you have since that war was probably unjustified and immoral (like most US interventions/wars are).


Wow. Just wow... Talk about thread drift. Personally, I want to thank everyone on this board who has served their respective countries. One thing that the military in general teaches is respect and a deep sense of self-sacrifice, of putting others before yourself. It would be wonderful if more posters remembered this when they exercise their freedoms, like the right to say questionable things (and I'm being polite, here), and insult the very people who have sacrificed to defend those freedoms.

Okay, off of my soapbox.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:32 pm

lightsaber wrote:
grbauc wrote:
williaminsd wrote:
As is so typical, I love hearing all the squealing little authoritarians here demanding that everyone must adhere to their chosen lifestyles. I have never smoked and find it an, at best, unpleasant habit, but that doesn't mean I get to prohibit others from engaging in a legal activity. Setting aside an area where those who choose to can indulge seems... how can I put this... "tolerant?" If someone wants to smoke and it in no way impacts you, why not? Drinking alcohol is every bit the health hazard that smoking is, yet I don't see any screeching to close down the bars in airports.

Oh I know. That's different because shut up...



Public smoking does Impact others. Vaping I don't be does harm others cigarettes do. A community should have the right to say they don't want to support something that kills and damages the very community it serves it the people of community want that.

The damage done to life and soul in the name of greed from a deceiving company is not activity a community might not want to support. We should have the right to do the things we want has long has they don't affect others and public smoking does. Communities should be able to not have to support activities that damage or do harm to it members and others around them.

Individuals should have the right to smoke in there private property and residents.

Vaping does harm. All particulates do harm. Nicotine is a nasty poison. Ok, less benzine and other nasty byproducts of simmering combustion.

I can smell the lounges. Smokers do realize they have a quarter of the sense of smell of non smokers and men already have a quarter of the sense of smell.

People are tired of smokers blowing smoke wherever they want. Maybe smokers here have never blown smoke in someone's face, but the rest of us have enough memories we ?don't want to deal with it.

Time to give up the addiction.

Lightsaber


But they aren't "blowing smoke wherever they want." They are forced to satisfy their unfortunate cravings in separate rooms. I think the data supports the notion that direct, second-hand smoke has health impacts on others, so I support that those who must smoke do so away from those of us who don't.

But a residual smell causing cancer? Going to have to see a lot more data on that before I'm on board. The single study cited above only shows a risk for those directly exposed and that's not what we're talking about here.

We need to find some kind of common ground here. Forcing smokers into separate, enclosed areas seems to be a reasonable accommodation for people whose lifestyle is different than mine and for which a clear health impact to me can be shown. And as with alcohol, there can be rules in place for those who have clearly consumed too much.

I also agree that it's time for people to give up the addiction, but that's their decision to make, not mine.

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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:34 pm

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Neither do they have to come online and nag like little girls. I have asthma and I am not a smoker yet airport smoking rooms never bothered me so I doubt they bother you that much. Also, the fact you served your country in actual combat goes to show how little brain you have since that war was probably unjustified and immoral (like most US interventions/wars are).


Wow. Just wow... Talk about thread drift. Personally, I want to thank everyone on this board who has served their respective countries. One thing that the military in general teaches is respect and a deep sense of self-sacrifice, of putting others before yourself. It would be wonderful if more posters remembered this when they exercise their freedoms, like the right to say questionable things (and I'm being polite, here), and insult the very people who have sacrificed to defend those freedoms.

Okay, off of my soapbox.


Are you new here lol? This was inevitable. I imagine the OP knew that when posting...
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:53 pm

williaminsd wrote:
EvanWSFO wrote:
williaminsd wrote:

They are in a room for smokers only. It is "public" only in that anyone has the right to enter, or not enter. You know... "choice." As far as their "souls," well I'm sorry "Father," but kind of up to them, don't you think?


Once again, it's not the room that is the issue for many. It's the stench that stays with smokers all the time. I could care less if someone goes in there and smokes a pack at a time. But when they come out and sit next to me on an airplane, then it's in MY health space. I don't have the choice to sit by that or not. I've asked to be moved a couple of times and was granted it, but on a full flight, I get to smell the carcinogens people are killing themselves with.


That's called flying with the public. I don't particularly like screeching babies on flights, or drunk, obnoxious passengers, or flatulence, or any number of unpleasant characteristics we can attribute to our fellow humans. I minimize that by flying up front whenever I can.

If you don't want to fly with your fellow humans, with all our faults, buy or charter a private jet. I don't like traveling with people who stink either. That's why I drive my own car in the morning and don't take the bus.

But on a plane I take my chances. So unless you can prove that even the mere residual aroma of a cigarette smoked 20 mins ago has some sort of health impact on you besides igniting your sneering hypocrisy, all you're being is punitive and abusing the power of the mob to allow only those lifestyles that are "Evan Approved."

Just so utterly typical.

Liberals are all about "choice," unless it's a choice they don't agree with. Then it's burn the witch time...


Your opinion seems to be in the minority. Yes, I am liberal and proud of it. Kill yourself with whatever chemical you see fit. Enjoy yourself.
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:30 pm

williaminsd wrote:
EvanWSFO wrote:
williaminsd wrote:

They are in a room for smokers only. It is "public" only in that anyone has the right to enter, or not enter. You know... "choice." As far as their "souls," well I'm sorry "Father," but kind of up to them, don't you think?


Once again, it's not the room that is the issue for many. It's the stench that stays with smokers all the time. I could care less if someone goes in there and smokes a pack at a time. But when they come out and sit next to me on an airplane, then it's in MY health space. I don't have the choice to sit by that or not. I've asked to be moved a couple of times and was granted it, but on a full flight, I get to smell the carcinogens people are killing themselves with.


That's called flying with the public. I don't particularly like screeching babies on flights, or drunk, obnoxious passengers, or flatulence, or any number of unpleasant characteristics we can attribute to our fellow humans. I minimize that by flying up front whenever I can.

If you don't want to fly with your fellow humans, with all our faults, buy or charter a private jet. I don't like traveling with people who stink either. That's why I drive my own car in the morning and don't take the bus.

But on a plane I take my chances. So unless you can prove that even the mere residual aroma of a cigarette smoked 20 mins ago has some sort of health impact on you besides igniting your sneering hypocrisy, all you're being is punitive and abusing the power of the mob to allow only those lifestyles that are "Evan Approved."

Just so utterly typical.

Liberals are all about "choice," unless it's a choice they don't agree with. Then it's burn the witch time...


Well, I'm a conservative. And I don't believe in harming others' health whether by bullets or slow-kill weapons (cigarettes). The fact is that cigarettes leave a residual of harm in the air and on surfaces. There is literally nothing good about cigarettes or e-cigarettes. There's a reason why several chemicals are banned or restricted -- because they are slow-kill weapons.
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:50 pm

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Your opinion seems to be in the minority. Yes, I am liberal and proud of it. Kill yourself with whatever chemical you see fit. Enjoy yourself.


I am an conservative and proud of it - and this is not a liberal vs. conservative issue. It is an issue of public health... of acceptable public norms... and of whether or not an airport - or any government entity - should support a dangerous habit by providing a dedicated public space to indulge in that habit.

Talk about someone going to hide in their "safe space".... that is what some people want. Sanctioned by the government and at the public expense.... :roll:

...that is not "conservative" at all.
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:28 pm

greendot wrote:
evank516 wrote:
Aptivaboy wrote:
I'd love a gym at the airport. If I'm on a long layover, I could hit the gym for an hour, work off the stress, take a nice shower, and not have to deal with smokers, 'cuz you know, they're off killing themselves slowly instead of working out, getting fit, and so on.

I'm always amazed at how smokers try to defend their addiction. Look, I'm sorry that you're drug addicts (nicotine, for example), but that's precisely what you are - drug addict. Please try to kick the habit, and live healthier lives. Its easy to make fun of the obese folks out there, or the ones who bring smelly food on board as some in this thread have done. However, someone else's obesity or smelly fast food doesn't really harm someone else. It doesn't lead to other people getting sick through things like second hand smoke. If someone is too large to fit in the seat next to you then call am FA. However, that person likely won't kill you. Smoking will, long term.

So please, stop trying to rationalize. Just stop smoking. Live healthier. Live longer. Enjoy life. I truly wish you the best.


1) The smell of cigarette smoke on clothes is not second hand smoke (which is the only thing that affects people actually on the plane since most people don't light up onboard). 2) I go to a gym 5 days per week and smoke about a pack of cigarettes a day. I've lost over 100 lbs since I was 18. 3) Don't tell me what to do with my body. I'm really not worried about death, we've already had our encounter and it doesn't scare me.


You're just rationalizing your chemical dependency which is your recourse for being weak minded. If you truly cared about yourself and others near you, you would stop smoking.

1) Whatever you call it, it's harmful.
2) Lots of people lose weight without chemical addictions. You're hurting your body immensely.
3) Then you should be more concerned about others.


That's an awful high horse for you to sit on. Everything in life is a chemical addiction. You don't get to decide which drugs should be outlawed, that's what we vote people into office for.
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AitorL wrote:
B777LRF wrote:
If you, as a government, want to ban smoking because of how dangerous it is to the people, just make cigarrettes ilegal. Oh, sorry, I forgot about the amount of money it makes on taxes for that same government.


I don't think it's necessary to make them illegal. However, smokers need to be more legally liable for their aftereffects. For example, if you're stuck next to a smoker-in-denial on your flight, you ought to be able to sue them for harm. There's plenty of scientific evidence from decades of legal action against tobacco companies for lying about the ill-effects of smoking. Yes, smoking in public places such as airports and right outside the airport (e.g. shuttle waiting area) ought to be illegal since you're still being harmed in such close proximity. But, if a smoker goes into an airport and someone reacts to it, then they need legal precedence for suing that smoker for harm.


You think the micro-particulates from ciggarette residue have a greater effect on your health than the engine fumes coming out of the airport parking lot?

greendot wrote:
. I am bothered by smokers because they are literally everywhere, harming me and infringing on my rights because of their weak minded chemical addictions. Real men don't need to smoke to deal with life.

This is the quote that made me reply to this thread. I'm sure as someone who has seen more than others through service, you understand that people need to cope in different ways, and that is no mark against their manhood. Your comments on chemical dependence seem extremely out-of-touch considering you most likely depend on pharmaceuticals for anti-anxiety medication or some sort of other reason. Chemical dependency is not a sign of weakness, and this rhetoric only puts people further off from getting the help they need.

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And yes, I can totally tell when you smoke your ecigs in the bathroom stall. It causes asthma like symptoms in me combined with eventual headaches and mental cloudiness. Ecigs are no better than real cigarettes. Heavy metals are really bad for your brain.

The ingredients listed for Juul pods are "Glycerol, Propylene Glycol, Nicotine, and Benzoic Acid". The Benzoic Acid is a chemical found in sodas and other foods, it is used as a salt to contain the nicotine until it is combusted. None of these are metals, take a chemistry course and get a grip.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/citedby ... ccess=true

Regardless, I agree that because of the harmful effects of secondhand smoke and stench, indoor smoking rooms should be abolished. But if I remember correctly, does the Delta lounge in ATL's international terminal have a smoking deck? I remember there being an observation deck but I do not remember if smoking was permitted. Outdoor smoking lounges seem like a smart idea as a compromise. Guests who wish to stay away from the smell would be inside the terminal, the smell would not stay on people's clothes and would blow out into the wind, and if the area is elevated, then the smoke should go up and away from the ground staff of the plane (which considering how close these people work too aircraft engines and other fumes, cigarette particulates are probably the least of their concern.

Maybe it's just because I'm from Florida, but I've never understood the attraction to smoking indoors anyway.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:59 am

I'm not a smoker, never have after seeing the effects it had on my parents, and I can attest first hand that second hand amoke is addicting as smoking a cigarette. I personally went thru withdrawals once I was no longer exposed to it every single day.

However for all those saying screw you smokers because you'll give me cancer, second hand smoke isn't the only cancer causing element around you...have you stopped to think what about all the other things that are also consider cancer causing.

Just recently a new study found that drinking sugary beverages such as soda and fruit juice may increase your risk of developing cancer. Do you then suggest along with banning smoking, you also ban fruit juices? Don't bother ever coming out to California as every building you enter, every restaurant you eat at, all contain some sort of chemical or item known to cause cancer and birth detects. The air we breathe in, filled with engine exhaust is listed as 'probably carcinogenic' , do you want to band cars and airplanes too?

My point is cigarettes and second hand smoke is not the only cancer causing element you are exposed to on a daily basis. It just so happens to be the easy target of everything. I'll even suggest it's an easy distraction from other more common causes.

I remember as a child flying thru ATL with my parents. My Mom was still smoking and those areas helped easw travel, a lot. Because she could go enjoy her cigarette between flights easily, get that fix to take the edge off. I think more airports should have these areas (or kept them) as those
 
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Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:16 am

According to their website Amsterdam Airport Schiphol has thirteen designated smoking lounges airside.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:41 pm

None of these are metals, take a chemistry course and get a grip.


Google is your friend:

https://www.sciencealert.com/toxic-leve ... tte-vaping
https://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation ... te-vapor#1
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321006.php

So, how much chromium and nickle would you like to ingest today?

You think the micro-particulates from ciggarette residue have a greater effect on your health than the engine fumes coming out of the airport parking lot?


Probably, yes. In the parking lot, there's this thing called wind that tends to blow fumes and particulates away. If not, I can hop into my car and turn on my nice, modern filtered A/C. It doesn't screen out everything, but it does screen out a lot of things. Or, I can just close my window entirely and drive away. In an enclosed space, I don't have those luxuries; those options don't or rarely exist. Let me tell you, on my last trip back from Maui to the mainland, someone was vaping. We could all smell it - bad - and everyone was looking around for the weak willed offender who couldn't wait a few hours 'til we landed in San Diego. The odor was so persistent that a few passengers were feeling nauseous. I would have loved to open the window to get rid of that one cell's exhaust, but well, you know.

Now, what I also think is driving the discussion from Atlanta's viewpoint is something only sparsely mentioned in this thread - better use of the space. I've never been to Atlanta, but I'm wondering if the spaces formerly used for smoking will instead be repurposed into retail space? Even a few kiosks or vending machine areas will doubtless generate a small revenue stream, probably more than offsetting the costs of cleaning up and maintaining smoking areas. Perhaps someone who has been to Atlanta could comment on this?

A great traveling day to all. Back to teaching summer school tomorrow! Ugh...
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:39 pm

lightsaber wrote:
grbauc wrote:
williaminsd wrote:
As is so typical, I love hearing all the squealing little authoritarians here demanding that everyone must adhere to their chosen lifestyles. I have never smoked and find it an, at best, unpleasant habit, but that doesn't mean I get to prohibit others from engaging in a legal activity. Setting aside an area where those who choose to can indulge seems... how can I put this... "tolerant?" If someone wants to smoke and it in no way impacts you, why not? Drinking alcohol is every bit the health hazard that smoking is, yet I don't see any screeching to close down the bars in airports.

Oh I know. That's different because shut up...



Public smoking does Impact others. Vaping I don't be does harm others cigarettes do. A community should have the right to say they don't want to support something that kills and damages the very community it serves it the people of community want that.

The damage done to life and soul in the name of greed from a deceiving company is not activity a community might not want to support. We should have the right to do the things we want has long has they don't affect others and public smoking does. Communities should be able to not have to support activities that damage or do harm to it members and others around them.

Individuals should have the right to smoke in there private property and residents.

Vaping does harm. All particulates do harm. Nicotine is a nasty poison. Ok, less benzine and other nasty byproducts of simmering combustion.


I can smell the lounges. Smokers do realize they have a quarter of the sense of smell of non smokers and men already have a quarter of the sense of smell.

People are tired of smokers blowing smoke wherever they want. Maybe smokers here have never blown smoke in someone's face, but the rest of us have enough memories we don't want to deal with it.

Time to give up the addiction.

Lightsaber


Thank you I wasn't familiar with vaping. Seems so much better of a option. I'm a ex smoker..don't miss it a bit.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Tue Jul 16, 2019 4:55 am

Jonathanxxxx wrote:
greendot wrote:
evank516 wrote:

1) The smell of cigarette smoke on clothes is not second hand smoke (which is the only thing that affects people actually on the plane since most people don't light up onboard). 2) I go to a gym 5 days per week and smoke about a pack of cigarettes a day. I've lost over 100 lbs since I was 18. 3) Don't tell me what to do with my body. I'm really not worried about death, we've already had our encounter and it doesn't scare me.


You're just rationalizing your chemical dependency which is your recourse for being weak minded. If you truly cared about yourself and others near you, you would stop smoking.

1) Whatever you call it, it's harmful.
2) Lots of people lose weight without chemical addictions. You're hurting your body immensely.
3) Then you should be more concerned about others.


That's an awful high horse for you to sit on. Everything in life is a chemical addiction. You don't get to decide which drugs should be outlawed, that's what we vote people into office for.
greendot wrote:
AitorL wrote:


I don't think it's necessary to make them illegal. However, smokers need to be more legally liable for their aftereffects. For example, if you're stuck next to a smoker-in-denial on your flight, you ought to be able to sue them for harm. There's plenty of scientific evidence from decades of legal action against tobacco companies for lying about the ill-effects of smoking. Yes, smoking in public places such as airports and right outside the airport (e.g. shuttle waiting area) ought to be illegal since you're still being harmed in such close proximity. But, if a smoker goes into an airport and someone reacts to it, then they need legal precedence for suing that smoker for harm.


You think the micro-particulates from ciggarette residue have a greater effect on your health than the engine fumes coming out of the airport parking lot?

greendot wrote:
. I am bothered by smokers because they are literally everywhere, harming me and infringing on my rights because of their weak minded chemical addictions. Real men don't need to smoke to deal with life.

This is the quote that made me reply to this thread. I'm sure as someone who has seen more than others through service, you understand that people need to cope in different ways, and that is no mark against their manhood. Your comments on chemical dependence seem extremely out-of-touch considering you most likely depend on pharmaceuticals for anti-anxiety medication or some sort of other reason. Chemical dependency is not a sign of weakness, and this rhetoric only puts people further off from getting the help they need.

greendot wrote:
And yes, I can totally tell when you smoke your ecigs in the bathroom stall. It causes asthma like symptoms in me combined with eventual headaches and mental cloudiness. Ecigs are no better than real cigarettes. Heavy metals are really bad for your brain.

The ingredients listed for Juul pods are "Glycerol, Propylene Glycol, Nicotine, and Benzoic Acid". The Benzoic Acid is a chemical found in sodas and other foods, it is used as a salt to contain the nicotine until it is combusted. None of these are metals, take a chemistry course and get a grip.
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/citedby ... ccess=true

Regardless, I agree that because of the harmful effects of secondhand smoke and stench, indoor smoking rooms should be abolished. But if I remember correctly, does the Delta lounge in ATL's international terminal have a smoking deck? I remember there being an observation deck but I do not remember if smoking was permitted. Outdoor smoking lounges seem like a smart idea as a compromise. Guests who wish to stay away from the smell would be inside the terminal, the smell would not stay on people's clothes and would blow out into the wind, and if the area is elevated, then the smoke should go up and away from the ground staff of the plane (which considering how close these people work too aircraft engines and other fumes, cigarette particulates are probably the least of their concern.

Maybe it's just because I'm from Florida, but I've never understood the attraction to smoking indoors anyway.


Nice try defending e-cigarettes, but the truth shall set everyone free. John Hopkin's research can be found and reproduced in the true nature of science. It's infinitely better than the smoker apologist site you provided:

https://www.jhsph.edu/news/news-releases/2017/study-toxic-metals-found-in-e-cigarette-liquids.html

>That's an awful high horse for you to sit on. Everything in life is a chemical addiction. You don't get to decide which drugs should be outlawed,

No, but I get to decide who is harming me and I get to make the case in court. Mark my words, it won't be long before precedent is set to allow smokers to be sued. Remember, Monsanto (now Bayer) never thought they would be sued and defeated in court because of glyphosate. Even with all their political connections, they lost against an unassuming gardener, which paved the way for everyone else to sue Monsanto/Bayer. Let the feast begin.

>You think the micro-particulates from ciggarette residue have a greater effect on your health than the engine fumes coming out of the airport parking lot?

I know they do. Fortunately, I took plenty of science classes and we actually did a few experiments on this. The big problem with cigarettes is that they are a wide variety of toxins. Some toxins create asthmatic responses, some create heart damage, some damage the brain, some cause cardiovascular distress, and virtually all are slow-kill weapons that have a high risk of causing cancer. You can look at all the court materials freely available against Phillip Morris. That's science, that's my world.

>Your comments on chemical dependence seem extremely out-of-touch considering you most likely depend on pharmaceuticals for anti-anxiety medication or some sort of other reason. Chemical dependency is not a sign of weakness, and this rhetoric only puts people further off from getting the help they need.

On the contrary, I've never used anti-anxiety medication or really anything for that matter. Chemical dependency is indeed a sign of weakness. That's why alcoholism is called a "disease", for example, and not a positive attribute that we should all aspire to. Should we be proud to be a smoker? It is not normal for a human to need a chemical substance to function normally. It is a sign of a mental disorder or other physiological disorder. Note that I use the world "normal" in the scientific sense.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:38 pm

Aptivaboy wrote:
None of these are metals, take a chemistry course and get a grip.


Google is your friend:

https://www.sciencealert.com/toxic-leve ... tte-vaping
https://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation ... te-vapor#1
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321006.php

So, how much chromium and nickle would you like to ingest today?

You think the micro-particulates from ciggarette residue have a greater effect on your health than the engine fumes coming out of the airport parking lot?


Probably, yes. In the parking lot, there's this thing called wind that tends to blow fumes and particulates away. If not, I can hop into my car and turn on my nice, modern filtered A/C. It doesn't screen out everything, but it does screen out a lot of things


Thing is, even when people smoke outdoors, the antismoking mob will say even secondhand smoke outdoors is dangerous, too, and polluting their lungs even though it goes up and quickly disparate. Yet, tens of thousands of gallons jet fuel exhaust in the outside air gets defended with the "the wind will blow it away" The same as secondhand smoke outside that some people would like to see banned in public outdoors. Outside, it's harmless.

And people still don't understand vaping is not smoking. It's just water vapor (steam) lace with and NIcotine. Which isn't what makes smokers sick. That's the chemicals and tar produced in combustion that gets people sick. Not the Nicotine. If Nictoine made people sick, the FDA wouldn't sell NIctine patches, gum, etc. it's addictive, but not what kills people

Public smoking does Impact others. Vaping I don't be does harm others cigarettes do. A community should have the right to say they don't want to support something that kills and damages the very community it serves it the people of community want that.



Too bad there is no particulate matter with vape. It's just steam with nicotine. Nothing was combusted. Just heated to the point it turns to steam. Nothing burns.

Looks like smoke, but it's no more smoke than the steam coming out of your coffee. When you use odorless juice with no visible vapor cloud, nobody complains. But when they can see a visible steam cloud, they'll start acting like they're coughing and can't breath.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:59 pm

pwm2txlhopper wrote:
Aptivaboy wrote:
None of these are metals, take a chemistry course and get a grip.


Google is your friend:

https://www.sciencealert.com/toxic-leve ... tte-vaping
https://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation ... te-vapor#1
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/321006.php

So, how much chromium and nickle would you like to ingest today?

You think the micro-particulates from ciggarette residue have a greater effect on your health than the engine fumes coming out of the airport parking lot?


Probably, yes. In the parking lot, there's this thing called wind that tends to blow fumes and particulates away. If not, I can hop into my car and turn on my nice, modern filtered A/C. It doesn't screen out everything, but it does screen out a lot of things


Thing is, even when people smoke outdoors, the antismoking mob will say even secondhand smoke outdoors is dangerous, too, and polluting their lungs even though it goes up and quickly disparate. Yet, tens of thousands of gallons jet fuel exhaust in the outside air gets defended with the "the wind will blow it away" The same as secondhand smoke outside that some people would like to see banned in public outdoors. Outside, it's harmless.

And people still don't understand vaping is not smoking. It's just water vapor (steam) lace with and NIcotine. Which isn't what makes smokers sick. That's the chemicals and tar produced in combustion that gets people sick. Not the Nicotine. If Nictoine made people sick, the FDA wouldn't sell NIctine patches, gum, etc. it's addictive, but not what kills people

Public smoking does Impact others. Vaping I don't be does harm others cigarettes do. A community should have the right to say they don't want to support something that kills and damages the very community it serves it the people of community want that.



Too bad there is no particulate matter with vape. It's just steam with nicotine. Nothing was combusted. Just heated to the point it turns to steam. Nothing burns.

Looks like smoke, but it's no more smoke than the steam coming out of your coffee. When you use odorless juice with no visible vapor cloud, nobody complains. But when they can see a visible steam cloud, they'll start acting like they're coughing and can't breath.


Vaping produces aerosol into the atmosphere when someone exhales it: https://no-smoke.org/electronic-smoking ... d-aerosol/ or https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/ ... out-vaping or https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... nd-vaping/
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:12 pm

slider wrote:
I always crack up when I'd walk past the ATL smoking rooms. Just smoke, obviously, but let them be.


It's like watching gerbils in their cage, except without the Habitrails
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Tue Jul 16, 2019 6:14 pm

alfa164 wrote:
JAAlbert wrote:
BrodieBruce wrote:
The Nanny State claims another victim.

Or the government is appropriately protecting the health and well being of the 86% of the US population that does not smoke. For many non-smokers the smell of cigarettes is difficult to tolerate and if you have a breathing condition - asthma, allergies - it can trigger an attack. Virtually all public buildings are smoke-free. This is ATL (finally) acting responsibly and in line with current norms.


:checkmark: The citizens spoke a long time ago, and no truly civilized person wants a burning, toxic paper fire-log dangling from his or her mouth. There is no drunk-room at an airport for those who cannot control their imbibing; no spitting room for anyone who thinks that is a proper public display. There is no reason an airport should cater to any other harmful and dangerous practice.


BuildingMyBento wrote:
BrodieBruce wrote:
The Nanny State claims another victim. That was one of the redeeming qualities about flying through ATL.


Victims are those who have to deal with smokers.


:checkmark: :checkmark: . This. And anyone around them.

BuildingMyBento wrote:
Go move to Tunisia or China.


I have a friend who always says, "There is only one good thing about cigarettes...

...they kill the smokers.."


;)


Let's put things in perspective here .... The Vortex has banned smoking in the establishment.

That tells you what the public perception of smoking today really is.
 
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Re: Atlanta Mayor OK's Smoking Ban at ATL

Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:08 pm

pwm2txlhopper wrote:
Too bad there is no particulate matter with vape. It's just steam with nicotine. Nothing was combusted. Just heated to the point it turns to steam. Nothing burns. Looks like smoke, but it's no more smoke than the steam coming out of your coffee. When you use odorless juice with no visible vapor cloud, nobody complains. But when they can see a visible steam cloud, they'll start acting like they're coughing and can't breath.


What?!!?? You are seriously deficient in your general knowledge and knowledge of science if you believe that. Spend a few seconds on a search engine of your choice and find out what experimental tests have found from vaping. It's pretty bad stuff.

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