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ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:09 am

ANA announced new cabin products today.


First Class "THE Suite"

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Business Class "THE Room"

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Premium Economy and Economy Class seats.

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Initially to be equipped on 12 777-300ERs, with first route HND-LHR effective August 2nd.

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ANA will also roll out updated IFE and meal concept.

Press release
https://www.ana.co.jp/group/en/pr/201907/20190711.html

Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXGRW2oyl7Y

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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:17 am

ANA’s QSuite!
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:27 am

Wow the First Suites might even look mediocre next to that Business class seats.

So why didn't ANA take the chance when they first introduced the A380? To purposely differentiate business products from the leisure market ones?
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:45 am

Is the new F suite the same one MU uses on their 77W’s? Looks very similar, just darker.
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:46 am

At this point do they really need First class?

But anyway this is gorgeous!
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:47 am

212 total seat count is impressive on 777ER. Must be one of the lowest out there
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:48 am

That is one hell of a premium heavy configuration. Looks like close to 70% of the floor space is used up on F and J alone.
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:53 am

So they took the suite vs semi suite discussion and basically just found a way to have a suite, semi suite, no suite at the same time. Nice to see there wont be the same compromise as SQ (sleeping diagonally when in lie fliat mode). Looking forward to flying this.
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:54 am

I’m very impressed, especially with the new business class seat
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:54 am

43 inch 4K monitor is awesome. It is definitely industry leading.
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:57 am

Looks really nice, best of all, no leather seats
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:05 am

Looks great, but doesn't seem to be a massive difference between F and J!
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:07 am

Oh no, they've gone 10 across in Y.
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:14 am

TC957 wrote:
Oh no, they've gone 10 across in Y.


They've had 10 abreast for a couple of years now, JAL continues to have 9 abreast. ANA is a bit overrated compared to JAL
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:15 am

TC957 wrote:
Oh no, they've gone 10 across in Y.

Another one bites the dust.

Although according to SeatGuru, there is an exisiting 77W configuration with 3-4-3 in Y. I thought they were still persevering with 2-4-3 until now.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:17 am

Those F and J seats look very similar.....its a new class called Business Premium lol...JK!!
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:26 am

That is one hell of a J seat. Impressive!
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:31 am

TC957 wrote:
Oh no, they've gone 10 across in Y.


I think they have been 10 across in Y for a few months now on the 77W. I could be wrong.


F looks uninspiring as most 4 across F looks nowadays.

J, well, it appears they may encounter the same issues that SQ had with the ultra-wide seat, somewhere to rest one are and nowhere to rest the other.

W seat design looks good, colours look horrible. I'm sure they will continue to have industry leading seat pitch in this cabin (like JL).

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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:31 am

With the new configuration of the 77W, is there any new destinations that they can add by 2020 that can be profitable with this config? In North America I can only see them add YYZ next for sure as that is the only major star alliance hub left in north america that has Tokyo flights very under-served. Europe they can add ZRH, CPH, ARN, OSL, & WAW. Oceania they can add AKL.
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:36 am

Wow, the premium cabins look breathtaking! With this update, ANA should have a similar hard product to QR and SQ suites.

LostLuggage wrote:
TC957 wrote:
Oh no, they've gone 10 across in Y.

Another one bites the dust.

Although according to SeatGuru, there is an exisiting 77W configuration with 3-4-3 in Y. I thought they were still persevering with 2-4-3 until now.


I actually much prefer flying the 10 abreast configuration on ANA compared to 9 abreast. Don't forget that ANA configures long-haul economy with a very generous 34" pitch. The 2-4-3 configuration features fixed shell seats that gave me back pain when reclined. I've flown both configurations, and having a reclining, slightly narrower seat with ample leg space made it a very manageable experience.
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:58 am

I also like what they have done with the catering, more airlines should partner with great restaurants to give premium passengers greater choice, dinning is such a big part of the journey on long haul.
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:08 am

ANA has long had a weird issue with their business class actually being better in some ways than their first class (I've flown both), and this new cabin seems to continue that. There's actually more storage and surface areas to put things in business class, and the full seat area actually looks and feels wider (that's how it is currently, but these new seats are similar in that way), while offering better privacy. The first class suites are just more open and longer for their whole width, rather than just where your feet go, but they don't feel like they offer that much more space. And this new design looks like kind of the same deal.

I'm a little confused about the business class cabin, though, and what they're really gaining by moving to every other row being backwards-facing. It's clear that they *technically* did that because you're still putting your feet inside the table of the row in front of you. They managed that with a staggered layout in the current configuration, but now they're switching to a back-to-front layout instead. But it seems like six of one, half a dozen of the other, and this way you end up with one half of the seats being clearly less desirable than the other half.

I feel like they might have done it at least in part so they could finally put seats together in the middle, because right now you have to sit about 6 feet away from anyone you're traveling with even in two middle seats, but it seems like they could have then still kept the single seats next to the windows staggered rather than back to front, and at least cut down on the number of undesirable seats.

One thing that I like better about this design than the current design is that it seems like the windows are a lot more accessible from the window seats. Currently, there's about an 8 inch gap between the "walls" of the seat and the windows, and those walls also extend in front of the seat, so the only window you have requires leaning way forward to look out of. Half the current "window" seats are also really on the aisle, so you don't have very good access to a window at all unless you stand up and walk over to look out. The new design at least seems to fix that, and give you a real window seat as long as you're lucky enough to be lined up with one.
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:22 am

YYZORD wrote:
With the new configuration of the 77W, is there any new destinations that they can add by 2020 that can be profitable with this config? In North America I can only see them add YYZ next for sure as that is the only major star alliance hub left in north america that has Tokyo flights very under-served. Europe they can add ZRH, CPH, ARN, OSL, & WAW. Oceania they can add AKL.


I would very much doubt any new destinations would be added with such a configuration. These initial 12 aircraft will go to LHR/CDG/FRA/ORD/LAX/SFO. If any of the destinations you mention are added they would all almost certainly be on 787s.
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:35 am

Wow, 787-styled window dimming in Business and First class!
Too bad they are going 3-4-3, 10 abreast in Y. But total seat count is the same as others' Airbus 321!
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:37 am

FromCDGtoSYD wrote:
So they took the suite vs semi suite discussion and basically just found a way to have a suite, semi suite, no suite at the same time. Nice to see there wont be the same compromise as SQ (sleeping diagonally when in lie fliat mode). Looking forward to flying this.


Actually this seat does require you to sleep in a diagonal position to get the full length of the bed.
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:53 am

Wow very impressive, this layout makes you understand why they ordered the 777-9. This type of layout on an A350k would leave them under 200 seats. Amazing that ANA and JAL can run more premium configurations than Qantas is going to try for Project Sunrise which you would think is going to be heavily skewed towards the premium cabins.
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:34 am

Because they are configured in forward - backward combination along with storage console moved in front of side, I don't think you'd need to sleep diagonally ala SQ.
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:53 am

So they're using Safran's Fusio Suite for the Business Class. Very cool. My only real concern is that frankly, their business is so good it is likely to cannibalize any First demand that's left. Maybe their First is just used as a frequent flyer perk at this point?
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:04 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
With the new configuration of the 77W, is there any new destinations that they can add by 2020 that can be profitable with this config? In North America I can only see them add YYZ next for sure as that is the only major star alliance hub left in north america that has Tokyo flights very under-served. Europe they can add ZRH, CPH, ARN, OSL, & WAW. Oceania they can add AKL.


I would very much doubt any new destinations would be added with such a configuration. These initial 12 aircraft will go to LHR/CDG/FRA/ORD/LAX/SFO. If any of the destinations you mention are added they would all almost certainly be on 787s.


You are right, very few markets can afford such a low density config, I'm not sure how many 77W frames they plan to keep on this config. but it shouldn't be much more than the inital 12 I guess.

Their current low density 77W's also sits 212 and besides the destinations you listed they serve JFK.
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:12 am

Looks great but you really need to question why you would go in F as opposed to J. J looks fantastic.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:26 am

UAL777UK wrote:
Looks great but you really need to question why you would go in F as opposed to J. J looks fantastic.


In markets such as LHR/JFK/LAX/FRA you'll find few people wiling to pay the extra just for the status (exclusiveness), you fly on a much smaller cabin and get a better soft product. Delta between J and F fare is pocket money for some folks out there.
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:41 am

spacecadet wrote:
ANA has long had a weird issue with their business class actually being better in some ways than their first class (I've flown both), and this new cabin seems to continue that.

I'm a little confused about the business class cabin, though, and what they're really gaining by moving to every other row being backwards-facing...."


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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:27 am

upperdeckfan wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
YYZORD wrote:
With the new configuration of the 77W, is there any new destinations that they can add by 2020 that can be profitable with this config? In North America I can only see them add YYZ next for sure as that is the only major star alliance hub left in north america that has Tokyo flights very under-served. Europe they can add ZRH, CPH, ARN, OSL, & WAW. Oceania they can add AKL.


I would very much doubt any new destinations would be added with such a configuration. These initial 12 aircraft will go to LHR/CDG/FRA/ORD/LAX/SFO. If any of the destinations you mention are added they would all almost certainly be on 787s.


You are right, very few markets can afford such a low density config, I'm not sure how many 77W frames they plan to keep on this config. but it shouldn't be much more than the inital 12 I guess.

Their current low density 77W's also sits 212 and besides the destinations you listed they serve JFK.

They currently have seven birds in the old 212 seat config - JA784/5/6/7/90/1/2A. The new birds (JA793-798A) will feature the new business class product and persumely will replace the older six.

What happens to the six older birds is a bit mystery at the moment.

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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:50 am

upperdeckfan wrote:
UAL777UK wrote:
Looks great but you really need to question why you would go in F as opposed to J. J looks fantastic.


In markets such as LHR/JFK/LAX/FRA you'll find few people wiling to pay the extra just for the status (exclusiveness), you fly on a much smaller cabin and get a better soft product. Delta between J and F fare is pocket money for some folks out there.


Japan is a wealthy, status-conscious country. ANA doesn't need too many people to be seen as top-dog to fill those F cabins.
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:11 pm

wow. hope we get these planes at ORD soon!
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:39 pm

Will the new J seat make its appearance on any other planes? It's quite different compared to what the other planes offer (the A380's J is quite similar to the rest of the fleet). 10-abreast Y is obviously not great but also not that horrible. I guess we can all tell which market they're trying to attract here.
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:42 pm

Have to say folks that this product update is needed - but not wow about the look of the cabin. It looks dark and boxy. Having flown ANA in business class long haul numerous times in the past 3 years I can honestly say that the product is good but not amazing. The food looks good, but is not as consistent as I have experienced in the past. The crew service remains superb. But the hard product shows signs of age and on 3 flights in the past few months has not been reliable (faulty screen, remote, seat not reclining properly). I see lots of room for improvement at ANA for them to retain (regain) a top shelf position. So I welcome the update and hope it will win me back to ANA having decided after my last trip to give them a break.
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:58 pm

ITSTours wrote:
At this point do they really need First class?

But anyway this is gorgeous!


In Japan yes, with the hierarchical culture, there is a need for First Class so a distinction of classes can be made. The Business Class looks gorgeous, a cross between the Qsuite and the hugely wide Singapore Biz seats when they introduced the A380. How will JAL respond ?
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:13 pm

Looks quite nice.

Also quite impressive how premium heavy configurations ANA is able to sustain across its network.
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:41 pm

Neat.

I look forward to sampling the product in the coming years. Have always found ANA excellent and these changes likely make it even more spectacular.
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:47 pm

NH's new JCL looks pretty impressive. Its like an upgraded version of the huge bench seat found on SQ- the bed looks massive and you dont have to sleep in that awkward position like on SQ. However, it does look like there is a compromise with the "lounging" positions as there seems to be limited recline space. Its either sit upright or go straight into bed mode.....
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:00 pm

Well, an increase of from 7 212-seats 77W to 12 212-seats 77W is definitely interesting. Perhaps routes like LAX and SFO will get the low density 77W as well?

MoKa777 wrote:
I think they have been 10 across in Y for a few months now on the 77W. I could be wrong.

Pcoder wrote:
They've had 10 abreast for a couple of years now, JAL continues to have 9 abreast. ANA is a bit overrated compared to JAL


For a few years actually if Planespotter is correct. All their 264 seats 77W are in 3-4-3 Y, and they were reconfigure that way since 2014 or so.

But yes, JL is still keeping all their 77W 3-3-3, and all their international 788/789 2-4-2 (A few new 788 will be used in domestic services and will be 3-3-3 abreast).

While we're at it, ANA definitely has a more mix bag fleet compare to JL, at least on international routes. Their international 767s are aged, and they also have a few 73Gs on regional (i.e. mainland China) hops that doesn't even have AVOD.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:30 pm

spacecadet wrote:
I'm a little confused about the business class cabin, though, and what they're really gaining by moving to every other row being backwards-facing. It's clear that they *technically* did that because you're still putting your feet inside the table of the row in front of you. They managed that with a staggered layout in the current configuration, but now they're switching to a back-to-front layout instead. But it seems like six of one, half a dozen of the other, and this way you end up with one half of the seats being clearly less desirable than the other half.

I feel like they might have done it at least in part so they could finally put seats together in the middle, because right now you have to sit about 6 feet away from anyone you're traveling with even in two middle seats, but it seems like they could have then still kept the single seats next to the windows staggered rather than back to front, and at least cut down on the number of undesirable seats.


It appears the backwards facing seats in the center allow you to sit closer together, so it's a trade-off, and since only 25 percent of J seats are designed for couples, it's probably worth the trade-off.

As for single travellers, a backwards facing side window lone seat is probably more desirable than a forward facing aisle seat where you have a seat mate.

And I don't think it would look right to only have the center seats have forward and backward facing seats.
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:06 pm

DCA350 wrote:
Wow very impressive, this layout makes you understand why they ordered the 777-9. This type of layout on an A350k would leave them under 200 seats. Amazing that ANA and JAL can run more premium configurations than Qantas is going to try for Project Sunrise which you would think is going to be heavily skewed towards the premium cabins.



Because it's TOKYO. Why would you even ask that question?! smh.

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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:53 pm

LAXLHR wrote:
DCA350 wrote:
Wow very impressive, this layout makes you understand why they ordered the 777-9. This type of layout on an A350k would leave them under 200 seats. Amazing that ANA and JAL can run more premium configurations than Qantas is going to try for Project Sunrise which you would think is going to be heavily skewed towards the premium cabins.



Because it's TOKYO. Why would you even ask that question?! smh.

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I didn't ask a question, I made a statement that they are running a more premium configuration than what are projected to be 20+ hour flights.
 
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:14 pm

After LHR, I could see this configuration being used on flights to FRA, LAX, ORD, and JFK. The standard 264 configuration would probably continue to fly SFO, IAH, IAD, and one of the 3 LAX frequencies.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:28 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
Well, an increase of from 7 212-seats 77W to 12 212-seats 77W is definitely interesting. Perhaps routes like LAX and SFO will get the low density 77W as well?

MoKa777 wrote:
I think they have been 10 across in Y for a few months now on the 77W. I could be wrong.

Pcoder wrote:
They've had 10 abreast for a couple of years now, JAL continues to have 9 abreast. ANA is a bit overrated compared to JAL


For a few years actually if Planespotter is correct. All their 264 seats 77W are in 3-4-3 Y, and they were reconfigure that way since 2014 or so.

But yes, JL is still keeping all their 77W 3-3-3, and all their international 788/789 2-4-2 (A few new 788 will be used in domestic services and will be 3-3-3 abreast).

While we're at it, ANA definitely has a more mix bag fleet compare to JL, at least on international routes. Their international 767s are aged, and they also have a few 73Gs on regional (i.e. mainland China) hops that doesn't even have AVOD.


JAL will probably respond when the A350-1000 arrives for use on the same routes to Europe and the USA. The A350-1000 will have new seats like the domestic A350-900 starting soon. Doubtful they will reconfigure their 77W which are very competitive right now. Always nice when one airline ups the standards, makes the new BA Club World look dated already.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:30 pm

I am very impressed by the new business class seats. I also find it very interesting that the total number of Y-class seats is so low!
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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:39 pm

Will the remaining 77Ws be refitted with these products in a different configuration, or will they remain as is until the arrival of the 779?

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Re: ANA reveals new 4 class cabin product

Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:38 am

Pictures of the actual product. Looks really impressive! They should gave done away with the center overhead bins like SQ to create openness.

https://thedesignair.net/2019/07/11/ana-launches-awesome-new-luxury-cabins-in-collaboration-with-famed-japanese-architect-and-british-design-team-acumen/

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Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos