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Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:37 pm

In today's earnings release:

During the quarter, the company decided to accelerate retirement of its MD-90 fleet by two years to the end of 2022, which pressured CASM-Ex by approximately $60 million due to higher depreciation expense.

https://news.delta.com/delta-air-lines- ... 019-profit
 
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:50 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
In today's earnings release:

During the quarter, the company decided to accelerate retirement of its MD-90 fleet by two years to the end of 2022, which pressured CASM-Ex by approximately $60 million due to higher depreciation expense.

https://news.delta.com/delta-air-lines- ... 019-profit


Yep. The MD-88s are supposed to be gone by the end of 2021, so it will make the MD-90 the last MDC aircraft in the fleet (unless you count the B717)... A couple of former JAL aircraft were delivered in 2013!

Side note: From the beginning, I assumed that the MD-88 and MD-90 were going to be retired at the same time. I appear to be wrong.
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:03 pm

But but but I was told without any doubt every MD-90 parked was just waiting on engines and was coming back into service....

Not surprised.
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:03 pm

Flight Global three months ago cited the end of MD-88s in 2020. Is this a change?

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... -m-457377/
 
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:06 pm

Spacepope wrote:
But but but I was told without any doubt every MD-90 parked was just waiting on engines and was coming back into service....

Not surprised.


I'm not, either. MD-90 parkings have all been one-way - AFAIK none has ever returned to service. It is surprising, though, that DL has announced MD-90 retirements while announcing higher domestic growth targets (4%) and yet no significant new aircraft orders.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 1:17 pm

The MD88s are gone end of 2020. Now this confirms MD90s end of 2022.

They are achieving the growth through a combination of factors.

Upgauging
Increased utilization
Deliveries outpacing retirements

The A220 and A321 deliveries are coming in faster than the MD88s and MD90s are going out.
 
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:02 pm

I wouldn’t be surprised to see another A220 order from DL now. One of the things they liked about it was that inflight crew were already familiar with a 5 abreast layout. If the economics of the a/c are really as superior as what delta claims, I’d expect a220-300 imho.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:24 pm

UPNYGuy wrote:
I wouldn’t be surprised to see another A220 order from DL now. One of the things they liked about it was that inflight crew were already familiar with a 5 abreast layout. If the economics of the a/c are really as superior as what delta claims, I’d expect a220-300 imho.


Delta shall still have around 35 or 30 options left (regarding last order of 5 during Paris Air Show, I am not sure, if these were 5 of the "option pool" or real new one, as some have said.) Options have regular a scheduled delivery date. Delta will take these options, but not earlier as they will have to do. This is regular around 24 month, latest 18 month for the A220 (as stated by the KAL Ceo, KAL has already stated, they will take the options of 10, but regarding scheduled delivery Dates starting in 20222, they will firm order them earliest in 2020, latest in begin of 2021).
Delta has already taken 15 of the options in Dec-2018, we will see additional...end of this year for additional delivery end of 2021/2022?
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:30 pm

UPNYGuy wrote:
I wouldn’t be surprised to see another A220 order from DL now. One of the things they liked about it was that inflight crew were already familiar with a 5 abreast layout. If the economics of the a/c are really as superior as what delta claims, I’d expect a220-300 imho.

That is only useful when looking at adding brand new types to a fleet when looking at 5 abreast (A220) vs 4 abreast (E2) which isn’t found in mainline fleet. In terms of adding aircraft for replacement (A220s or A320s or 737s or whatever) it doesn’t really matter- DL’s cabin crew are just as familiar with 6 abreast layouts as they are with 5 due to the hundreds of 737/757/A32Xs they fly.

What matters will be how many frames DL wants in terms of seat counts.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:34 pm

T4thH wrote:
UPNYGuy wrote:
I wouldn’t be surprised to see another A220 order from DL now. One of the things they liked about it was that inflight crew were already familiar with a 5 abreast layout. If the economics of the a/c are really as superior as what delta claims, I’d expect a220-300 imho.


Delta shall still have around 35 or 30 options left (regarding last order of 5 during Paris Air Show, I am not sure, if these were 5 of the "option pool" or real new one, as some have said.) Options have regular a scheduled delivery date. Delta will take these options, but not earlier as they will have to do. This is regular around 24 month, latest 18 month for the A220 (as stated by the KAL Ceo, KAL has already stated, they will take the options of 10, but regarding scheduled delivery Dates starting in 20222, they will firm order them earliest in 2020, latest in begin of 2021).
Delta has already taken 15 of the options in Dec-2018, we will see additional...end of this year for additional delivery end of 2021/2022?


Delta still has 50 options on the A220. The +15 & +5 additional orders were new, and none of the 50 options were exercised.
 
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:37 pm

Sad... the MD-90 won't even live for 30 years
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:52 pm

Glad there's a confirmed date at least - and much less "doom and gloom" than people were saying around the MD-90 retiring at the end of next year (the math on new orders versus retirements just didn't make sense).

Also, unless I am misinformed, the MD-88 retirement date is end of 2020 - not end of 2021 (unless I missed something). Therefore the MD-90s will survive (at least in some number) for two years past the last MD-88 retirement.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:26 pm

DL currently only has 34 active MD90's with 32 in storage, according to the site below. The latest aircraft going to SBD on June 24th. If DL is going to keep flying them until the end of 2022, that's a pretty small fleet type.
https://sites.google.com/site/airlinefl ... delta/md90
 
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:37 pm

Thank god. I hope the 717 follows soon after.
Also, is there a future A220 top off order in the future?
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 3:51 pm

UPNYGuy wrote:
I wouldn’t be surprised to see another A220 order from DL now. One of the things they liked about it was that inflight crew were already familiar with a 5 abreast layout. If the economics of the a/c are really as superior as what delta claims, I’d expect a220-300 imho.

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Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:10 pm

AlexBrewster03 wrote:
Thank god. I hope the 717 follows soon after.
Also, is there a future A220 top off order in the future?


What's wrong with the 717? I think there is a legitimate complaint against the MD-88 given that Delta has narrower seats in it for some reason, but the 717 has pretty spacious 18.1" seats - comparable or even wider than a 320 family aircraft (and worlds better than a 737 seat).

Obviously the A220 is a great aircraft for passenger comfort, but the 717 is pretty darn comfortable too. Every 717 that goes away means a higher probability of sitting on a cramped 17.2" wide seat 737.
 
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:13 pm

Cactusjuba wrote:
T4thH wrote:
UPNYGuy wrote:
I wouldn’t be surprised to see another A220 order from DL now. One of the things they liked about it was that inflight crew were already familiar with a 5 abreast layout. If the economics of the a/c are really as superior as what delta claims, I’d expect a220-300 imho.


Delta shall still have around 35 or 30 options left (regarding last order of 5 during Paris Air Show, I am not sure, if these were 5 of the "option pool" or real new one, as some have said.) Options have regular a scheduled delivery date. Delta will take these options, but not earlier as they will have to do. This is regular around 24 month, latest 18 month for the A220 (as stated by the KAL Ceo, KAL has already stated, they will take the options of 10, but regarding scheduled delivery Dates starting in 20222, they will firm order them earliest in 2020, latest in begin of 2021).
Delta has already taken 15 of the options in Dec-2018, we will see additional...end of this year for additional delivery end of 2021/2022?


Delta still has 50 options on the A220. The +15 & +5 additional orders were new, and none of the 50 options were exercised.

Regarding the 5, this seems to be new additional orders. Regarding the 15, I really do not know, but I am now tending to these were options, which habe been taken by Delta. If someone can show me an official statement by either Delta or Airbus, which really clarify this case, I will be happy.

And regrding the official statement by Delta from Jan-2019; it is not even stated, that they had changed the numbers of ordered A220 100 to 300 Version.
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:14 pm

It's still safe to put money down that the MD-90s will be gone sooner than 2022 (as we've seen before, DL plays it hush-hush about things less than flattering to investors). Already today it's an expensive subfleet. Dragging it out makes no sense economically.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:21 pm

MSPNWA wrote:
It's still safe to put money down that the MD-90s will be gone sooner than 2022 (as we've seen before, DL plays it hush-hush about things less than flattering to investors). Already today it's an expensive subfleet. Dragging it out makes no sense economically.


I think your hypothesis will hold true only if the economy has a significant slowdown. I am sure the decision to wait to 2022 is tied to projected deliveries and required capacity. There isn't a lot of flexibility to adjust deliveries on a two-year horizon given current backlogs, so that pretty much leaves one remaining variable (projected demand). If demand is weak, they may retire them earlier. If demand remains strong, they probably need the fleet capacity (even if it is just primarily used as a summer flex with just enough use in quieter seasons to feed the pilot pool).
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:27 pm

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One of the things they liked about it was that inflight crew were already familiar with a 5 abreast layout.


I didn't realize DL has so many FAs with one arm longer than the other that could potentially make a symmetrical number abreast an issue.
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:30 pm

Agreed with the strong demand domestically, they likely need the capacity in the short-term, and now that they fleet has been consolidated down to ATL there are ample routes to cover, and I suspect we will see them continue to go more on MD-88 routes.

There are some other secondary factors that could be driving the timeline including the shared pilot pool with the MD-88 that it puts less a burden on training and transition to other fleet types (granted MD-88 FO is mostly new hires anyways), they have parts/inventory in-stock, air frames and engines with green time remain that don't make sense to park before heavy maintenance comes due.

Its flex capacity that it good times like now they'll keep flying, but if there is a sudden unforseen downturn they could go out earlier.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:20 pm

acjbbj wrote:
Sad... the MD-90 won't even live for 30 years


It's impressive the MD-90 made it this long considering that fewer than 120 were built. The last MD-80s came off the line around the same time as the last MD-90s and they're also being parked due to it becoming uneconomical to source parts -- and roughly ten times as many MD-80s were built.

AlexBrewster03 wrote:
Thank god. I hope the 717 follows soon after.


The 717 is a comfortable ride. But it's probably done as a type once DL phases theirs out (unless someone else takes them).
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:28 pm

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But but but I was told without any doubt every MD-90 parked was just waiting on engines and was coming back into service....

Not surprised.


That was the plan. One doesn't just tape up airplanes and not rob anything but the engines off of the for 2 years. The parting out process hasn't even started yet.
 
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:30 pm

AlexBrewster03 wrote:
Thank god. I hope the 717 follows soon after.


What's wrong with DL 717s? Would you rather be on a SkyWest CR9?
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:34 pm

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DL currently only has 34 active MD90's with 32 in storage, according to the site below. The latest aircraft going to SBD on June 24th. If DL is going to keep flying them until the end of 2022, that's a pretty small fleet type.
https://sites.google.com/site/airlinefl ... delta/md90


I don't see the draw-down going 3...2...1. Maybe 15...14...zero. Didn't WN park thirty 737-300s in one day? Very small subfleets don't make economic sense.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:37 pm

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AlexBrewster03 wrote:
Thank god. I hope the 717 follows soon after.


What's wrong with DL 717s? Would you rather be on a SkyWest CR9?


Considering Skywest isn’t the largest CR9 carrier at DL, you’re more likely to be on a Endeavor CR9 than Skywest.
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:42 pm

T4thH wrote:
Cactusjuba wrote:
T4thH wrote:

Delta shall still have around 35 or 30 options left (regarding last order of 5 during Paris Air Show, I am not sure, if these were 5 of the "option pool" or real new one, as some have said.) Options have regular a scheduled delivery date. Delta will take these options, but not earlier as they will have to do. This is regular around 24 month, latest 18 month for the A220 (as stated by the KAL Ceo, KAL has already stated, they will take the options of 10, but regarding scheduled delivery Dates starting in 20222, they will firm order them earliest in 2020, latest in begin of 2021).
Delta has already taken 15 of the options in Dec-2018, we will see additional...end of this year for additional delivery end of 2021/2022?


Delta still has 50 options on the A220. The +15 & +5 additional orders were new, and none of the 50 options were exercised.

Regarding the 5, this seems to be new additional orders. Regarding the 15, I really do not know, but I am now tending to these were options, which habe been taken by Delta. If someone can show me an official statement by either Delta or Airbus, which really clarify this case, I will be happy.

And regrding the official statement by Delta from Jan-2019; it is not even stated, that they had changed the numbers of ordered A220 100 to 300 Version.


Sorry, can't provide internal comms on a.net. But the question was asked and answered by senior management that these 15 were indeed new orders, NOT the options. Take my word for it.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:47 pm

Cactusjuba wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Cactusjuba wrote:

Delta still has 50 options on the A220. The +15 & +5 additional orders were new, and none of the 50 options were exercised.

Regarding the 5, this seems to be new additional orders. Regarding the 15, I really do not know, but I am now tending to these were options, which habe been taken by Delta. If someone can show me an official statement by either Delta or Airbus, which really clarify this case, I will be happy.

And regrding the official statement by Delta from Jan-2019; it is not even stated, that they had changed the numbers of ordered A220 100 to 300 Version.


Sorry, can't provide internal comms on a.net. But the question was asked and answered by senior management that these 15 were indeed new orders, NOT the options. Take my word for it.


OK, this is of course fin for me. So for myself, I can state this open question as "solved".
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:51 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
AlexBrewster03 wrote:
Thank god. I hope the 717 follows soon after.


What's wrong with DL 717s? Would you rather be on a SkyWest CR9?


Considering Skywest isn’t the largest CR9 carrier at DL, you’re more likely to be on a Endeavor CR9 than Skywest.


Awesome. 717 > CR9/7/2 any day.
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It's still safe to put money down that the MD-90s will be gone sooner than 2022 (as we've seen before, DL plays it hush-hush about things less than flattering to investors). Already today it's an expensive subfleet. Dragging it out makes no sense economically.


We saw that with the WN Classics.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:18 pm

Allegiant should snap these up. :duck:
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 6:57 pm

They must have done the capacity needed math on new plane orders going online versus MD-90s that will time out due to heavies to come up with 2022. But it's not unlike DL to push it forward sooner if they can. That's a long while away and new top-up orders could happen anytime, see the +5 and +15 A220s.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:21 pm

CapitalAvGeek wrote:
DL currently only has 34 active MD90's with 32 in storage, according to the site below. The latest aircraft going to SBD on June 24th. If DL is going to keep flying them until the end of 2022, that's a pretty small fleet type.
https://sites.google.com/site/airlinefl ... delta/md90


I believe the MD90s are mostly consolidated to ATL nowadays and probably will stay that way until they're gone.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:23 pm

I don't see the small size of the fleet being an issue with Delta - an airline that currently operates a fleet of 10 73W, a fleet of 16 753, and operated a handful of non-ER 763's after retiring the majority of them.
 
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VictorKilo wrote:
I don't see the small size of the fleet being an issue with Delta - an airline that currently operates a fleet of 10 73W, a fleet of 16 753, and operated a handful of non-ER 763's after retiring the majority of them.


It's also a DC9 derivative just as the MD88s and the 717s are, so there is likely a lot of parts commonality already.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:41 pm

AlexBrewster03 wrote:
Thank god. I hope the 717 follows soon after.
Also, is there a future A220 top off order in the future?


MHO only. I see the 717s staying until at least 2026-27 (they're great small short range airplanes), and a top up A220 order, including launch of the A220-500, within 18 months from today.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:43 pm

VictorKilo wrote:
I don't see the small size of the fleet being an issue with Delta - an airline that currently operates a fleet of 10 73W, a fleet of 16 753, and operated a handful of non-ER 763's after retiring the majority of them.

The issue is also staffing/training. The variants of 737s, 220s, 320s, 757s etc make no difference in a staffing perspective, as it’s a common type rating. A single-type rating small fleet of MD90s does however create cost and reliability inefficiencies.
 
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Allegiant should snap these up. :duck:


I know its a joke, but honestly if they had continued to operate MD-80s and didn't have all the bad press from inflight shutdowns and other incidents they very well might have been interested.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:46 pm

T4thH wrote:
Cactusjuba wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Regarding the 5, this seems to be new additional orders. Regarding the 15, I really do not know, but I am now tending to these were options, which habe been taken by Delta. If someone can show me an official statement by either Delta or Airbus, which really clarify this case, I will be happy.

And regrding the official statement by Delta from Jan-2019; it is not even stated, that they had changed the numbers of ordered A220 100 to 300 Version.


Sorry, can't provide internal comms on a.net. But the question was asked and answered by senior management that these 15 were indeed new orders, NOT the options. Take my word for it.


OK, this is of course fin for me. So for myself, I can state this open question as "solved".



https://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/C ... f97799.pdf

Go to page 34 that is Deltas sec filings there is a chart with the fleet owned- capital lease-operating lease- purchase and options
 
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It's still safe to put money down that the MD-90s will be gone sooner than 2022 (as we've seen before, DL plays it hush-hush about things less than flattering to investors). Already today it's an expensive subfleet. Dragging it out makes no sense economically.

I too suspect they will be retired earlier. I don't see immediate retirement, but another year earlier.

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Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:04 pm

Oliver2020 wrote:
T4thH wrote:
Cactusjuba wrote:

Sorry, can't provide internal comms on a.net. But the question was asked and answered by senior management that these 15 were indeed new orders, NOT the options. Take my word for it.


OK, this is of course fin for me. So for myself, I can state this open question as "solved".



https://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/C ... f97799.pdf

Go to page 34 that is Deltas sec filings there is a chart with the fleet owned- capital lease-operating lease- purchase and options

Yes I have found it, also the page numbers are not the same, seems to be some issues with the file.
still 50 options
 
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SteelChair wrote:
AlexBrewster03 wrote:
Thank god. I hope the 717 follows soon after.
Also, is there a future A220 top off order in the future?


MHO only. I see the 717s staying until at least 2026-27 (they're great small short range airplanes), and a top up A220 order, including launch of the A220-500, within 18 months from today.


I think the 717s will last longer, but the timeframe depends on lease terms and A220 costs. My back of the envelope math goes to 2028-2029 for best terms.

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Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:09 pm

T4thH wrote:
Oliver2020 wrote:
T4thH wrote:

OK, this is of course fin for me. So for myself, I can state this open question as "solved".



https://d18rn0p25nwr6d.cloudfront.net/C ... f97799.pdf

Go to page 34 that is Deltas sec filings there is a chart with the fleet owned- capital lease-operating lease- purchase and options

Yes I have found it, also the page numbers are not the same, seems to be some issues with the file.
still 50 options



There's also a list/chart within the next couple of pages for delivery dates on the current order.
 
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Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:12 pm

AlexBrewster03 wrote:
Thank god. I hope the 717 follows soon after.

I just don't get replies like this on a website for aviation enthusiasts. I thought we all love aircraft. And the more character they have, the better. I'd go out of my way to fly on the MD-80, MD-90 or B717.

A few years ago I actually travelled from Europe to the United States so I could fly on the MD-90 (Delta) and MD-80 (American). Earlier I had done the same to log the B717 (AirTran). The T-tails are great aircraft and a real pleasure to travel on.
 
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:13 pm

lightsaber wrote:
SteelChair wrote:
AlexBrewster03 wrote:
Thank god. I hope the 717 follows soon after.
Also, is there a future A220 top off order in the future?


MHO only. I see the 717s staying until at least 2026-27 (they're great small short range airplanes), and a top up A220 order, including launch of the A220-500, within 18 months from today.


I think the 717s will last longer, but the timeframe depends on lease terms and A220 costs. My back of the envelope math goes to 2028-2029 for best terms.

Lightsaber


Are they still bringing the BR715 in house as well? I'm sure that will be an additional consideration on how long the 717 last.
 
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:46 pm

ScottB wrote:
AlexBrewster03 wrote:
Thank god. I hope the 717 follows soon after.

The 717 is a comfortable ride. But it's probably done as a type once DL phases theirs out (unless someone else takes them).

Wouldn't be surprised at all if all of the 717s ever built were scrapped by the end of 1 January 2030.
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:56 pm

I thought this was a great article from the Atlanta Business Chronicle. Delta receiving 80 new aircraft in 2019.

https://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/new ... s_headline
 
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:14 pm

MartijnNL wrote:
AlexBrewster03 wrote:
Thank god. I hope the 717 follows soon after.

I just don't get replies like this on a website for aviation enthusiasts. I thought we all love aircraft. And the more character they have, the better. I'd go out of my way to fly on the MD-80, MD-90 or B717.

A few years ago I actually travelled from Europe to the United States so I could fly on the MD-90 (Delta) and MD-80 (American). Earlier I had done the same to log the B717 (AirTran). The T-tails are great aircraft and a real pleasure to travel on.

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Thank you for this excellent post. The person you responded to should probably find another interest if he does not value aircraft diversity and does not like T Tails!
 
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:53 pm

WN732 wrote:
MSPNWA wrote:
It's still safe to put money down that the MD-90s will be gone sooner than 2022 (as we've seen before, DL plays it hush-hush about things less than flattering to investors). Already today it's an expensive subfleet. Dragging it out makes no sense economically.


We saw that with the WN Classics.

I think the mass retirement of the 737 Classics at WN had more to do with the fact they couldn't fly both Classics and the MAX without having separate pilot groups than it had to do with having a small subfleet. I think there's a chance (albeit a small one) that some of the Classics might still be flying at WN if it weren't for this issue.
 
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:07 pm

acjbbj wrote:
ScottB wrote:
AlexBrewster03 wrote:
Thank god. I hope the 717 follows soon after.

The 717 is a comfortable ride. But it's probably done as a type once DL phases theirs out (unless someone else takes them).

Wouldn't be surprised at all if all of the 717s ever built were scrapped by the end of 1 January 2030.

And the last one will most definitely be one of HA’s birds. Speaking of HA, would they be interested in some of those 717s from DL?
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