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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Wed Jul 17, 2019 1:57 am

I just noticed on airfleets, that there are only 107 DL MD-80+MD-90.
https://www.airfleets.net/exploit/production-md80.htm

I keep track, on 6/24 they had 112 MD-80+MD-90. On Wikipedia, they had 36 MD-90 then, 34 today.
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:31 am

I believe there was a caribbean airline that operated the MD 90?

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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:56 am

MCOflyer wrote:
I believe there was a caribbean airline that operated the MD 90?

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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:33 am

Hi all,

Bit of a long shot but I'm flying New York to Vancouver the second week of September, does anyone know which route combinations and flight times I could get on an MD90 or 87 via Atlanta?
 
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:36 am

EI321 wrote:
Hi all,

Bit of a long shot but I'm flying New York to Vancouver the second week of September, does anyone know which route combinations and flight times I could get on an MD90 or 87 via Atlanta?


It would have to be EWR-ATL. JFK and LGA are nothing but Airbus.
 
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Wed Aug 28, 2019 3:40 am

All MD88 & MD90s have been pulled from LGA & JFK for some time now, and by September there is no longer and MD88 or MD90 flying to ATL from EWR.
In August there are still a few MD88 flights on EWR-ATL, but they are gone come September.

All MD88 & MD90 flying is consolidated to out-and-back flying from ATL.
 
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Wed Aug 28, 2019 4:53 am

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AlexBrewster03 wrote:
Thank god. I hope the 717 follows soon after.
Also, is there a future A220 top off order in the future?


What's wrong with the 717? I think there is a legitimate complaint against the MD-88 given that Delta has narrower seats in it for some reason, but the 717 has pretty spacious 18.1" seats - comparable or even wider than a 320 family aircraft (and worlds better than a 737 seat).

Obviously the A220 is a great aircraft for passenger comfort, but the 717 is pretty darn comfortable too. Every 717 that goes away means a higher probability of sitting on a cramped 17.2" wide seat 737.



Even if Delta parked every 717 HA and Quantas Link would snatch them right up. There isn’t another plane in the world that can handle the type of cycles HA puts on them. The MD-80/90/95 have extremely high LOV cycle limit 110k cycles 110k hours. I believe MD didn’t built their jets with lap joints. What ever design they used it’s not as susceptible to fatigue issues. To bad their isn’t a big frieghter market for the MD-80’s
 
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Wed Aug 28, 2019 7:53 am

DL757NYC wrote:
.... The MD-80/90/95 have extremely high LOV cycle limit 110k cycles 110k hours. I believe MD didn’t built their jets with lap joints. What ever design they used it’s not as susceptible to fatigue issues. To bad their isn’t a big frieghter market for the MD-80’s


Over at "American MD-80 Retirement" thread, this exact topic is being microscoped. Looks like there is a potentially interesting market for MD-8X as freighters, but imminent collapse of supply chain (some say, it has already happened) rules out large-scale future cargo operations.

It appears that a niche operator, like Everts Air Cargo, looks well positioned, with its relatively high rates, to sustain an orphan fleet into the future -- taking advantage of its ruggedness and durability, while spending money and effort, to keep parts and expertise available.

More traditional cargo operators, flying more commoditized routes -- probably not so much.
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:20 am

The driving date for the final service will be driven by A321N delivery dates, which are delayed. The 88/90 frames being parked now will be cannabalized (especially engines) to support those who remain until the 321Ns show up. No other airline will get any of these aircraft.....when Delta retires an airplane it gets chopped up. Reference Boeing's history of funding Airtran with used Delta DC9s....never again.

IMO, there is zero correlation between A220 and 88/90.
 
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:50 am

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The driving date for the final service will be driven by A321N delivery dates, which are delayed. The 88/90 frames being parked now will be cannabalized (especially engines) to support those who remain until the 321Ns show up. No other airline will get any of these aircraft..... when Delta retires an airplane it gets chopped up. Reference Boeing's history of funding Airtran with used Delta DC9s....never again.

IMO, there is zero correlation between A220 and 88/90.


Except if it’s a 767. Other than that you’re mostly correct, though depending on the economy late next year there might be a second life for a few 88s, especially as freighters. The 90s are done though
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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Wed Aug 28, 2019 11:53 am

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The driving date for the final service will be driven by A321N delivery dates, which are delayed. The 88/90 frames being parked now will be cannabalized (especially engines) to support those who remain until the 321Ns show up. No other airline will get any of these aircraft.....when Delta retires an airplane it gets chopped up. Reference Boeing's history of funding Airtran with used Delta DC9s....never again.

IMO, there is zero correlation between A220 and 88/90.

Some A223 will replace MD-80.

The engines drive decisions on both the MD-88/89. DL might have little choice on when to retire.

As to not selling used, why? The highest bidder is the highest bidder. Aircraft are fungible. Startups do not want MD-80s when used A319s and A320s are so cheap, after 12+ years of use, to be a better value.

If DL really experiences delays, they could buy A319s from Easyjet's leasors.

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Re: Delta announces MD-90 retirement deadline - end 2022

Wed Aug 28, 2019 12:15 pm

319s? Oof. Sure, induction would be easy with immediate parts and pilots but the operating economics of 319s are not compelling. DL's 132-seat A319 config would also be a notable deviation from its strategy of upgauging. Has the MAX grounding really meant the scouring of the earth for every available 738?

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