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Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:51 am

Hi! Just noticed on my Air New Zealand magazine's route map...they don't have flight s to the NY area...

Which begs to wonder...why??

Thanks and God bless!
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Re: ANZ Y NO NY?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:55 am

Simple reason none of the aircraft in there fleet are not currently configured to allow this route to operate with an reasonable payload. AKL-ORD is currently the max reach of there current 789 configuration.

Both on NZ’a 789 configuration are high density and focus on Y. Once the 781 start rolling into the fleet it should allow some of the 789 to be reconfigured and start EWR.
 
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Re: ANZ Y NO NY?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:58 am

zkncj wrote:
Simple reason none of the aircraft in there fleet are not currently configured to allow this route to operate with an reasonable payload. AKL-ORD is currently the max reach of there current 789 configuration.

Both on NZ’a 789 configuration are high density and focus on Y. Once the 781 start rolling into the fleet it should allow some of the 789 to be reconfigured and start EWR.

That sounds like it...I mean NY sounds like too big a destination for an airline like ANZ not to serve it....
 
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Re: ANZ Y NO NY?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 12:58 am

Look at a globe/map. Locate New Zealand. Now locate New York. The answer should now be pretty obvious.
 
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Re: ANZ Y NO NY?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:02 am

AntonioMartin wrote:
zkncj wrote:
Simple reason none of the aircraft in there fleet are not currently configured to allow this route to operate with an reasonable payload. AKL-ORD is currently the max reach of there current 789 configuration.

Both on NZ’a 789 configuration are high density and focus on Y. Once the 781 start rolling into the fleet it should allow some of the 789 to be reconfigured and start EWR.

That sounds like it...I mean NY sounds like too big a destination for an airline like ANZ not to serve it....


NZ/UA have an join venture between New Zealand and American with plenty of connections, at this stage it’s not urgently require.

Between NZ/UA
AKL-HNL/LAX/SFO/IAH/ORD (plus YVR)
 
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Re: ANZ Y NO NY?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:14 am

AntonioMartin wrote:
Hi! Just noticed on my Air New Zealand magazine's route map...they don't have flight s to the NY area...

Which begs to wonder...why??

Thanks and God bless!

Could you please change the title to something that makes sense? And ALL CAPS MAKES IT LOOK LIKE YOU SCREAM AT US... ;)
 
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Re: ANZ Y NO NY?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:56 am

NZ reported in May that they are interested in New York flights.
 
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Re: ANZ Y NO NY?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:31 am

BenflysDTW wrote:
NZ reported in May that they are interested in New York flights.


They have been interested for some time, it will likely happen in the 2022/23 timeframe once ORD has had time to mature and NZ get newer 787s or can reconfigure existing ones.
 
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Re: ANZ Y NO NY?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:42 am

Polot wrote:
Look at a globe/map. Locate New Zealand. Now locate New York. The answer should now be pretty obvious.


This is the only correct answer.
 
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Re: ANZ Y NO NY?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:50 am

sonicruiser wrote:
Polot wrote:
Look at a globe/map. Locate New Zealand. Now locate New York. The answer should now be pretty obvious.


This is the only correct answer.


You could argue the same for QF and Australia is further away, the only way they have sustained JFK via LAX however is because they have their own flights arriving SYD/MEL/BNE into LAX.
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:59 am

I would argue the biggest reason that they do not have flights to New York is because they have not scheduled flights to New York. And a 275 seat 787 cannot make it.
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:00 am

Their there they’re
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:13 am

Would NZ be able to do AKL-YYZ with their current 789 config or do they need to change it to serve it like EWR?
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:16 am

Also, NZ isn't exactly an airline that could command enough J seats to even reach EWR, and if they did one-stop via LAX, they couldn't carry local traffic to New York...meaning a very empty plane on the LAX-New York sector as they have only one New Zealand destination---AKL (by contrast, NZ can leverage fifth freedom rights to operate LAX-LHR). By contrast, QF has flights from SYD (A388), MEL (A388), and BNE (B789) that can all be consolidated onto a 236-seat B789 that flies the LAX-JFK sector (QF can carry passengers transferring from QF11 or QF93 - the plane to JFK originates as QF15 from BNE and arrives as QF11 to JFK, or carry passengers from JFK on QF12 transferring to QF12 or QF94 in LAX (the aircraft continues to BNE as QF16).

TL:DR version: Australia has 3 Australian destinations from LAX and Air New Zealand has just one New Zealand destination.

That said, I'd ask another question: why does QF change the flight number of the B789 that flies BNE-LAX-JFK at LAX?

Operationally, to serve EWR, NZ would likely need whatever QF selects for its Project Sunrise aircraft, and configure it in a similar manner. (Ironically, years ago, QF flew Australia-AKL-LAX-JFK on an A332...I forgot what the Australia origin point was.
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:22 am

Like every other "Why doesn't XX fly to YYY" thread, the answer is ALWAYS the same!
No sound economic case.
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:38 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Also, NZ isn't exactly an airline that could command enough J seats to even reach EWR, and if they did one-stop via LAX, they couldn't carry local traffic to New York...meaning a very empty plane on the LAX-New York sector as they have only one New Zealand destination---AKL (by contrast, NZ can leverage fifth freedom rights to operate LAX-LHR). By contrast, QF has flights from SYD (A388), MEL (A388), and BNE (B789) that can all be consolidated onto a 236-seat B789 that flies the LAX-JFK sector (QF can carry passengers transferring from QF11 or QF93 - the plane to JFK originates as QF15 from BNE and arrives as QF11 to JFK, or carry passengers from JFK on QF12 transferring to QF12 or QF94 in LAX (the aircraft continues to BNE as QF16).

TL:DR version: Australia has 3 Australian destinations from LAX and Air New Zealand has just one New Zealand destination.

That said, I'd ask another question: why does QF change the flight number of the B789 that flies BNE-LAX-JFK at LAX?

Operationally, to serve EWR, NZ would likely need whatever QF selects for its Project Sunrise aircraft, and configure it in a similar manner. (Ironically, years ago, QF flew Australia-AKL-LAX-JFK on an A332...I forgot what the Australia origin point was.


?

Or NZ could could fly nonstop from New York to AKL and connect to all the same cities in Australia you just mentioned? What’s the difference?

The 787-9 could fly NY to AKL today.
 
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Re: ANZ Y NO NY?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:21 am

MalevTU134 wrote:
AntonioMartin wrote:
Hi! Just noticed on my Air New Zealand magazine's route map...they don't have flight s to the NY area...

Which begs to wonder...why??

Thanks and God bless!

Could you please change the title to something that makes sense? And ALL CAPS MAKES IT LOOK LIKE YOU SCREAM AT US... ;)

Sorry..I didnt mean fo-r it to look that way...

I just think it kind of cool in today's LOL and meme age to phrase it that way.
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:23 am

airzim wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
Also, NZ isn't exactly an airline that could command enough J seats to even reach EWR, and if they did one-stop via LAX, they couldn't carry local traffic to New York...meaning a very empty plane on the LAX-New York sector as they have only one New Zealand destination---AKL (by contrast, NZ can leverage fifth freedom rights to operate LAX-LHR). By contrast, QF has flights from SYD (A388), MEL (A388), and BNE (B789) that can all be consolidated onto a 236-seat B789 that flies the LAX-JFK sector (QF can carry passengers transferring from QF11 or QF93 - the plane to JFK originates as QF15 from BNE and arrives as QF11 to JFK, or carry passengers from JFK on QF12 transferring to QF12 or QF94 in LAX (the aircraft continues to BNE as QF16).

TL:DR version: Australia has 3 Australian destinations from LAX and Air New Zealand has just one New Zealand destination.

That said, I'd ask another question: why does QF change the flight number of the B789 that flies BNE-LAX-JFK at LAX?

Operationally, to serve EWR, NZ would likely need whatever QF selects for its Project Sunrise aircraft, and configure it in a similar manner. (Ironically, years ago, QF flew Australia-AKL-LAX-JFK on an A332...I forgot what the Australia origin point was.


?

Or NZ could could fly nonstop from New York to AKL and connect to all the same cities in Australia you just mentioned? What’s the difference?

The 787-9 could fly NY to AKL today.


It could fly it today yes just not with an economically viable payload.

As to QF changing flight number the flight QF11/12 is the SYD-LAX flight and QF for whatever reason prefer that.

The 332 QF used went SYD-AKL-LAX-JFK with a different flight number on each sector, QF 141/25/107 while a 737 did MEL-AKL as QF25 and changed to an A332 AKL-LAX as QF25.
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:24 am

YYZORD wrote:
Would NZ be able to do AKL-YYZ with their current 789 config or do they need to change it to serve it like EWR?


They would need the same configuration that they get for AKL-EWR to cover the distance.
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:25 am

Wonder why NZ is flying to LAS tonight. NZ1954 - charter?
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:42 am

airzim wrote:
The 787-9 could fly NY to AKL today.


Just not with NZ current business model for the 789, which high density over-priced Y with an bunch of cargo below deck.

JonnyGT wrote:
Wonder why NZ is flying to LAS tonight. NZ1954 - charter?


Mostly an flight centre staff conference in LAS, NZ does charters for flight centre a couple of times a year like this for there staff events.
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:58 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
airzim wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
Also, NZ isn't exactly an airline that could command enough J seats to even reach EWR, and if they did one-stop via LAX, they couldn't carry local traffic to New York...meaning a very empty plane on the LAX-New York sector as they have only one New Zealand destination---AKL (by contrast, NZ can leverage fifth freedom rights to operate LAX-LHR). By contrast, QF has flights from SYD (A388), MEL (A388), and BNE (B789) that can all be consolidated onto a 236-seat B789 that flies the LAX-JFK sector (QF can carry passengers transferring from QF11 or QF93 - the plane to JFK originates as QF15 from BNE and arrives as QF11 to JFK, or carry passengers from JFK on QF12 transferring to QF12 or QF94 in LAX (the aircraft continues to BNE as QF16).

TL:DR version: Australia has 3 Australian destinations from LAX and Air New Zealand has just one New Zealand destination.

That said, I'd ask another question: why does QF change the flight number of the B789 that flies BNE-LAX-JFK at LAX?

Operationally, to serve EWR, NZ would likely need whatever QF selects for its Project Sunrise aircraft, and configure it in a similar manner. (Ironically, years ago, QF flew Australia-AKL-LAX-JFK on an A332...I forgot what the Australia origin point was.


?

Or NZ could could fly nonstop from New York to AKL and connect to all the same cities in Australia you just mentioned? What’s the difference?

The 787-9 could fly NY to AKL today.


It could fly it today yes just not with an economically viable payload.

As to QF changing flight number the flight QF11/12 is the SYD-LAX flight and QF for whatever reason prefer that.

The 332 QF used went SYD-AKL-LAX-JFK with a different flight number on each sector, QF 141/25/107 while a 737 did MEL-AKL as QF25 and changed to an A332 AKL-LAX as QF25.


I suspect that the reason QF's LAX-JFK-LAX runs as QF11/12 rather than QF15/16 that the specific aircraft for the tag runs as BNE-LAX-BNE is that the GDSs prioritise one stop direct flights over connections with differing flight numbers. The fact that there is a change of aircraft along the way is irrelevant as far as the GDS is concerned. As it's safe to suspect SYD is the largest AU-NYC market having SYD-LAX-JFK as a one stop direct flight gives QF a higher priority than the one stop connection options operated by UA, HA, AC and DL/VA even though there's no fundamental difference with the connection.
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:11 am

New York could happen (via Los Angeles) but it hasn’t. Frankfurt (via Los Angeles) has yet to be reinstated, so perhaps, ANZ is simply taking a conservative approach.
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:51 am

AirAfreak wrote:
New York could happen (via Los Angeles) but it hasn’t. Frankfurt (via Los Angeles) has yet to be reinstated, so perhaps, ANZ is simply taking a conservative approach.


NYC via LAX doesn’t make sense for NZ, they don’t have cabotage rights for the domestic sector and don’t have flights from other international destinations to feed such a flight. QF do from SYD/MEL/BNE which makes the JFK tag viable.

FRA via LAX or anywhere won’t happen as NZ won’t add anymore 1 stop flights, they have LH to operate FRA via connections through LAX/SFO/YVR/IAH/SIN/HKG.

There’s nothing particularly conservative about it, just NZ want to link AKL non stop to where ever they fly to.
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:46 am

AirAfreak wrote:
New York could happen (via Los Angeles) but it hasn’t. Frankfurt (via Los Angeles) has yet to be reinstated, so perhaps, ANZ is simply taking a conservative approach.


Air NZ's strategy is simple: non-stop flights from AKL mainly to Pacific Rim countries. No more multi-sector flights - the two exceptions being AKL-LAX-LHR which is to do with NZ's close ties with the UK and is a flagship route that has been in existence for many years; the other is AKL-RAR-LAX which is the one reminant of the old coral routes between NZ and North America and operates 1 x weekly in each direction, subsidized by the Rarotonga government to provide an essential tourism and freight connection between Rarotonga and North America. NZ have made it clear that if the subsidy is removed then the RAR-LAX flights will be dropped. NZ already flies daily to Rarotonga from AKL alongside a number of other South-Pacific destinations. The LAX-LHR portion of AKL-LAX-LHR is flown by UK based cabin crew, NZ based pilots. NZ also used to fly AKL-HKG-LHR but the HKG-LHR service was dropped a few years ago. So in response to above comments I don't think there is much chance of a NYC service via LAX taking off any time in the future. NZ have stated they want to fly nonstop to NYC and GRU maybe YYZ but it will be some time before this service is in the offing because it needs a payload/range boost on the 789 which Boeing have promised in return for NZ's top-up order for the 787 (looks like NZ may standardize its long haul fleet on the 787-9 and 787-10 but the decision on the 77W replacement is some time off as the fleet is relatively young. NZ seem to be going for smaller capacity which enables more frequency.

If you look at recent route additions you will see

AKL-EZE
AKL-ORD
AKL-TPE (reinstated)
AKL-ICN (reinstated)
AKL-IAH

All fits the strategy.

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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:49 am

They don’t need too!

They have one stop connections via ISH & ORD with United.

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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:04 am

Air New Zeland simply does not have the aircraft. The 777-300ER did not have the range with brochure range is 300nm short.

In regards to the 787-9 firstly it is worth noting while Perth to London on the 787-9 is 150nm longer than Auckland to New york the weather across the Pacific is worse. So if Qantas is on the limit it might be hard for Air New Zealand on the return leg.

Secondly, Air New Zealand also has more seats on their 787-9 compared to Qantas. That is half an hour of fuel that can not be loaded. Taking both of these points into account it is unlikely the 787-9 can make the return leg.

However the 787-9 MTOW bump we are talking about to 260T will give back an extra hour of fuel to comfortably make the return trip from New York. It is only a matter of time.
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:01 am

Give NZ a few years, and either a low-density-LOPA or an higher-MTOW-787-9, and they'll be flying to Newark (presumably so they can take advantage of United's hub there) on a daily basis.
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:41 am

Had they leased the 777-200LR, would they be able to do it?
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 1:51 pm

XRadar98 wrote:
Their there they’re

Loose lose
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:46 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
Had they leased the 777-200LR, would they be able to do it?


They would be able to yes, I’m not convinced they would have flown to NYC with it though, NZ did look at the 77L, most of their routes didn’t need the additional lift over the 77E.
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:00 pm

AWACSooner wrote:
XRadar98 wrote:
Their there they’re

Loose lose

So, what would of been of this website about aircrafts without y'all.
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:06 pm

StudiodeKadent wrote:
Give NZ a few years, and either a low-density-LOPA or an higher-MTOW-787-9, and they'll be flying to Newark (presumably so they can take advantage of United's hub there) on a daily basis.

United's hub? To continue on where, exactly, that is not already served from ORD, IAH, SFO and LAX? EWR is where you end up AFTER overflying all of the places you could connect to. Oh, and then there's Quahog, Rhode Island....
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:46 pm

Slightly off topic: today's NZ30 AKL-EZE was upgauged to a 77W from the scheduled 77E. ZK-OKQ was the aircraft used. Most likely some last minute equipment change, as the load was 236 paxs on the flight.
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:52 pm

dcajet wrote:
Slightly off topic: today's NZ30 AKL-EZE was upgauged to a 77W from the scheduled 77E. ZK-OKQ was the aircraft used. Most likely some last minute equipment change, as the load was 236 paxs on the flight.


Carrying the All Blacks to Argentina for their game next weekend. Quite a low load however overall but probably fill up front.
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:12 pm

ZK-NBT wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Slightly off topic: today's NZ30 AKL-EZE was upgauged to a 77W from the scheduled 77E. ZK-OKQ was the aircraft used. Most likely some last minute equipment change, as the load was 236 paxs on the flight.


Carrying the All Blacks to Argentina for their game next weekend. Quite a low load however overall but probably fill up front.


Thanks. Indeed a low-ish load, it usually hovers around 300 pax per flight. But with winter on both ends of the route...
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:04 am

Air New Zealand should acquire the A350-900 ULR with a few in their fleets so they can launch flights from Auckland to Newark.
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:16 am

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They don’t need too!

They have one stop connections via ISH & ORD with United.

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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:17 am

ArchGuy1 wrote:
Air New Zealand should acquire the A350-900 ULR with a few in their fleets so they can launch flights from Auckland to Newark.
Why, when they're committed to the 787?
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:21 am

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Air New Zealand should acquire the A350-900 ULR with a few in their fleets so they can launch flights from Auckland to Newark.


That boat has already sailed, NZ/Boeing have public said they are working together to get more range out of the 787-9/787-10s that will meet there requirements.

NZ just purchased another 8x 787s (-10s), so the chance of the A350 entering the fleet is now low.

Within the next 5 years or so NZ will have 26 787s in there fleet, which is a lot for an small airline. There isn’t much point adding the A350 into the fleet as it will just increase costs.
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:14 am

zkncj wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
Air New Zealand should acquire the A350-900 ULR with a few in their fleets so they can launch flights from Auckland to Newark.


That boat has already sailed, NZ/Boeing have public said they are working together to get more range out of the 787-9/787-10s that will meet there requirements.

NZ just purchased another 8x 787s (-10s), so the chance of the A350 entering the fleet is now low.

Within the next 5 years or so NZ will have 26 787s in there fleet, which is a lot for an small airline. There isn’t much point adding the A350 into the fleet as it will just increase costs.


ANZ, a small airline, given the distances ANZ has to fly to Asia and the Americas, both North & South, 26 787 is nothing. It can take two planes to fly one roundtrip daily, Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore aren't around the corner. London is 24 hours each way.
 
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Re: ANZ Y NO NY?

Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:17 am

Polot: Look at a globe/map. Locate New Zealand. Now locate New York. The answer should now be pretty obvious."

aemoreira1981: "Also, NZ isn't exactly an airline that could command enough J seats to even reach EWR, and if they did one-stop via LAX, they couldn't carry local traffic to New York...meaning a very empty plane on the LAX-New York sector as they have only one New Zealand destination---AKL (by contrast, NZ can leverage fifth freedom rights to operate LAX-LHR)."

PA110: "No sound economic case."

OMAAbound: "They don’t need too! They have one stop connections via ISH & ORD with United."

I just love all those Anet experts who make such *definite* statements and claims. This thread is one of the many examples.... Fact is that EWR is firmly on NZ's map, and there is an extremely high likelihood that they will serve it in the not too distant future (See ZK-NBT's and zkncj's comments up-thread). Of course, there is no business case, and they only want to serve EWR for the prestige :roll:
 
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Re: Why doesnt Air New Zealand fly to New York?

Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:39 am

jfk777 wrote:
zkncj wrote:
ArchGuy1 wrote:
Air New Zealand should acquire the A350-900 ULR with a few in their fleets so they can launch flights from Auckland to Newark.


That boat has already sailed, NZ/Boeing have public said they are working together to get more range out of the 787-9/787-10s that will meet there requirements.

NZ just purchased another 8x 787s (-10s), so the chance of the A350 entering the fleet is now low.

Within the next 5 years or so NZ will have 26 787s in there fleet, which is a lot for an small airline. There isn’t much point adding the A350 into the fleet as it will just increase costs.


ANZ, a small airline, given the distances ANZ has to fly to Asia and the Americas, both North & South, 26 787 is nothing. It can take two planes to fly one roundtrip daily, Japan, Hong Kong and Singapore aren't around the corner. London is 24 hours each way.


How many places do you think NZ fly to? HKG/SIN/NRT each daily can be done with 4 frames and with a really tight schedule you can squeeze a round trip to PER in as well.

NZ have 7 77W used to LAX/LHR/SFO/IAH, 8 77E used to HKG/YVR/IAH/EZE plus 13 789 to NRT/SIN/TPE/PER/DPS/ICN/HNL/ORD/KIX.

Plus they can fit in up to 10-12 daily short haul trips to SYD/MEL/BNE/ADL/CNS/NAN/RAR/APW/TBU.

So 28 widebodies go along way, some of the routes are seasonal DPS/CNS, ICN starts in November. They have had cover for grounded 787s due RR, there is still 1 of 2 ex SQ 77E and a BR 77W around. 1 more RR 789 to come later this year. Some routes like LAX are 2 daily, SIN is 12 weekly while others are 3-5 weekly.

NZ are very efficient at scheduling,

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