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Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:53 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvfsmj3C1m4

The longest action footage of a Braniff International Boeing 747-1230B operating a run into Boston's Logan International Airport.


Enjoy!



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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:22 pm

Those were the days.......

Thanks for sharing.
 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:59 pm

Those were the days of low load factors. Cool video thanks.

I thought Braniff only ever used the 747 DAL-HNL.
 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:44 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
Those were the days of low load factors. Cool video thanks.

I thought Braniff only ever used the 747 DAL-HNL.


Initially, only DAL-HNL-DAL. When DFW opened they moved the flight to DFW-HNL-DFW. After deregulation took effect there were a few domestic tag-ons to move airplanes around. DFW-SEA-HNL was one such routing; then flights out of BOS when they tried to build an international operaton there. I miss Braniff.
 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:16 pm

I wonder how many 747 flight crews Braniff had for just that one airliner?
 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:29 pm

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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:32 pm

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I wonder how many 747 flight crews Braniff had for just that one airliner?


Didn't Braniff have more than one 747? I know they had a few SP's, but weren't there several big ones as well????
 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:35 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
Those were the days of low load factors. Cool video thanks.

I thought Braniff only ever used the 747 DAL-HNL.


Your obviously not a Braniff FanBoy otherwise you would have known that they flew the B747 to more destinations than just HNL!

In 1970 Braniff accepted delivery of the 100th Boeing 747 built... a B747-127 N601BN and began flights from DAL to HNL on January 15 1971. The plane, dubbed ''747 Braniff Place'' and the ''The Most Exclusive Address In The Sky'', was Braniff's flagship.

In February 1978 Braniff inaugurated it's first transatlantic flight from DFW to LGW with N601BN.

To cover for the loss on DFW to HNL of N601BN which was at the time the only B747 route in Braniff's network a B741 was briefly leased from American Airlines B747-123 N9666 until the airline received it's second B747 a B747-130 N610BN a former Lufthansa aircraft in March 1978. In May 1978 Braniff acquired another B747 from Lufthansa this time a B747-230B N602BN.

Braniff operated upto 11 Boeing 747's during it's existence although not all them were in the fleet at the same time. Besides standard model B741 and B742, long range B747SPs were also acquired, other than the B747SPs which were factory fresh the standard B747 fleet were either newly delivered to the airline or purchased as second hand examples.

Along with DFW to HNL Braniff operated the B747 on transatlantic operations from BOS and DFW to AMS, BRU, CDG, FRA, LGW.

Braniff also operated the B747 on routes to South America and also to Asia from DFW, LAX and SEA to GUM, HKG, ICN and SIN.

By 1981 a year before the airline's collapse all services to Asia and Europe with the exception of non stop flights between DFW and LGW had been discontinued although Braniff continued to operate the B747 on international services to BOG, EZE and SCL as well as on domestic flights between DFW and HNL.

There are literally hundreds of photos online showing Braniff B747's at airports other than DAL/DFW and HNL.

Braniff is a well documented airline with numerous threads over the years here on a.net related to the airline. Wikipedia has an excellent page dedicated to Braniff and if you fancy spending some money on Amazon I thoroughly recommend the book ''Braniff Flying Colours'', there is even a Facebook page simply called ''Braniff Flying Colours''.

If you thought that Braniff only flew the B747 between DAL to HNL where did you think that they flew the rest of the B747 fleet to :-)
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:25 pm

BN747 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvfsmj3C1m4

The longest action footage of a Braniff International Boeing 747-1230B operating a run into Boston's Logan International Airport.


Enjoy!



BN747


The aircraft in question is I believe Boeing 747-230B N611BN a former Lufthansa aircraft and delivered to Braniff in May 1979.

All of the Braniff B747's were painted completely orange except for the original B747-127 N601BN that was delivered to the airline in December 1970 which retained it's original white tail with large BN titles in orange along with a slightly oversized USA flag for all of it's 12 years and 5 months career with the airline until it's dramatic bankruptcy on the 12 May 1982, a sad day in aviation history.
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:45 pm

Such a great video, and thank you so much for posting! Excellent Braniff variety, with the ex-LH in the modified 747 ultra orange, a 727-100 in two-tone green, and a terra cotta ultra 727-200. The JT9D idling sound is forever recognizable, and reminds me of being a kid at MSP watching NW birds taixi in from ORD, LGW, PHX, and other stations. Did they put the Halson interior in those 747s they got later? I have a 3-seat set of Halston brown leather 727 seats in my living room.

The bonus was the TWA 747 in the tylenol scheme with the hollow titles under tow. I am guessing it parked at the international gates and then was being towed to the non-customs gates for departure to LHR.

Where did BN park at Logan? If this is during the brief period with all of the longhaul, they must have needed a ton of gates.
 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:48 pm

While seeing the BN 747 was cool, the surprise was seeing the TW 747 with the hollow "Trans World" titles taxiing in front of it.
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:14 pm

nwray wrote:
I wonder how many 747 flight crews Braniff had for just that one airliner?


Until deregulation, I'm not sure, but tbefore deregulation, when they only flew the DFW-HNL route with the 747, he typical schedule was a flight crew would make one round trip a week; multiply by 7 and add a cushion and you probably have a reasonable idea. When they started DFW-LGW, they would have probably had to double the number of available crews, and then, after deregulation, Braniff acquired more 747's, including a couple of used ones from American and Lufthansa, and a couple of new 747-200's and 747SP models, so they would have had more crews available.
 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:48 pm

TW870 wrote:
Such a great video, and thank you so much for posting! Excellent Braniff variety, with the ex-LH in the modified 747 ultra orange, a 727-100 in two-tone green, and a terra cotta ultra 727-200. The JT9D idling sound is forever recognizable, and reminds me of being a kid at MSP watching NW birds taixi in from ORD, LGW, PHX, and other stations. Did they put the Halson interior in those 747s they got later? I have a 3-seat set of Halston brown leather 727 seats in my living room.

The bonus was the TWA 747 in the tylenol scheme with the hollow titles under tow. I am guessing it parked at the international gates and then was being towed to the non-customs gates for departure to LHR.

Where did BN park at Logan? If this is during the brief period with all of the longhaul, they must have needed a ton of gates.


Thanks and happy to share, but 'Tylenol scheme'...this my 1st time hearing that. It's a perfect description.

Yeah, the tylenol TWA 747 interrupting the star of the vid was a neat surprise.

In the upcoming Airport PAST: Early DFW - Braniff Ops, the original 'BI' 747 will be featured with an Ultra -200 and an -SP all seen together. Should be pretty cool.

Halston Leather seats? Nice!

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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:13 pm

Had no idea that Braniff had a large presence at BOS. Logan was just "down the road" from me when I was a kid back then. My Father flew Delta all the time from BOS but I never recall seeing Braniff's Orange monster at Logan when we would drop him off. What year was this, I am guessing 79-80?
 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:52 pm

I recall seeing one of them in SEA. It was mostly silver with a stripe on it and Braniff slapped on.
 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 8:54 pm

BN747 wrote:
Thanks and happy to share, but 'Tylenol scheme'...this my 1st time hearing that. It's a perfect description.

Yeah, the tylenol TWA 747 interrupting the star of the vid was a neat surprise.


My first thought was Airplane!

“Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big Tylenol.”
 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:00 pm

bravotango75 wrote:
Had no idea that Braniff had a large presence at BOS. Logan was just "down the road" from me when I was a kid back then. My Father flew Delta all the time from BOS but I never recall seeing Braniff's Orange monster at Logan when we would drop him off. What year was this, I am guessing 79-80?


Here's one old route map, 1979, showing domestic and international routes from BOS.

http://www.departedflights.com/BN070179.html
 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 9:34 pm

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I recall seeing one of them in SEA. It was mostly silver with a stripe on it and Braniff slapped on.


That would have been Boeing 747-123 N9666, it was onlease to Braniff from March 1978 to May 1980. The aircraft retained the American Airlines metal finish with an orange stripe along the fuselage covering the red, white and blue cheatline and Braniff in orange lettering replacing the AMERICAN titles.

It was often used on the Asian routes and that's how you saw it at SEA, it was rarely used on Braniff's transatlantic routes although there are several photos of the aircraft online as well as on a.net taken at LGW.

Boeing 747-123 N9666 returned to service with American Airlines in May 1980.

Braniff collapsed on the 16 May 1982 and American Airlines were quickly awarded route authority by the DOT for DFW to LGW to replace Braniff, ironically enough it was this particular Boeing 747-123 N9666 that inaugurated American Airlines first transatlantic route from DFW to London Gatwick Airport.
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:38 pm

OB1504 wrote:
BN747 wrote:
Thanks and happy to share, but 'Tylenol scheme'...this my 1st time hearing that. It's a perfect description.

Yeah, the tylenol TWA 747 interrupting the star of the vid was a neat surprise.


My first thought was Airplane!

“Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows and wheels and it looks like a big Tylenol.”


Ding ding! That's why I said it!
 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:25 pm

71--78 they had the one 747-127 N601BN, but in 78 they leased 3 and and bought another -100 used, then it just went up from there until 81 when they were dumped off except 3 (the original -127, a -227B and an SP) that lived until the shutdown.

BN's 747s (actually delivered) by entry date:

N601BN, 747-127, 71-82, Orange White Tail
N9666, 747-123, 78-80, leased from AA in hybrid colors
N9667, 747-123, 78-80, ditto N9666
N610BN, 747-130, 78-80, orange all
N620BN, 747-217B, 78-78, leased from CP Air, hybrid colors
N602BN, 747-227B, 79-82, Orange all
N611BN, 747-230B, 79-81, orange all
N749WA, 747-273C, 79-80, leased from World, Orange all
N603BN, 747-SP27, 79-81, orange all
N604BN, 747-SP27, 80-80, orange all
N606BN, 747-SP27, 80-82, orange all

Built but not delivered:

N602BN, 127, would of been green with white tail, to Wardair
N605BN, 227B, delivered to NW
N606BN, 227B, delivered to NW
N608BN, SP27, delivered to China Airlines
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:33 pm

cschleic wrote:
I recall seeing one of them in SEA. It was mostly silver with a stripe on it and Braniff slapped on.



that was a 747-123 leased from American. American wouldn't allow Braniff to pain the whole airplane. They got it when they were awarded DFW-LGW, and they needed a second 747 to cover both DFW-HNL and DFW-LGW. Later they had a DFW-SEA-HNL flight using the 747
 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Sat Jul 13, 2019 12:10 am

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Had no idea that Braniff had a large presence at BOS.


Even at its height, it wasn't much. In the summer of 79 Braniff eked out about 10 daily flights...one of which was the B747 to Europe.

Here's the centerfold of June 1, 79 timetable. BN flew n/s to DFW, DCA, DTW, MEM, EWR, JFK, MCI, PHL and BNA

Image
 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Sat Jul 13, 2019 1:02 am

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bravotango75 wrote:
Had no idea that Braniff had a large presence at BOS.


Even at its height, it wasn't much. In the summer of 79 Braniff eked out about 10 daily flights...one of which was the B747 to Europe.

Here's the centerfold of June 1, 79 timetable. BN flew n/s to DFW, DCA, DTW, MEM, EWR, JFK, MCI, PHL and BNA

Image

Wow.......No wonder they went bankrupt.
 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:10 pm

superjeff wrote:
cschleic wrote:
I recall seeing one of them in SEA. It was mostly silver with a stripe on it and Braniff slapped on.



that was a 747-123 leased from American. American wouldn't allow Braniff to pain the whole airplane. They got it when they were awarded DFW-LGW, and they needed a second 747 to cover both DFW-HNL and DFW-LGW. Later they had a DFW-SEA-HNL flight using the 747


Had no idea that was the back story on why it appeared as it did...I have some footage of that to appear in the Airport PAST:Early DFW-BI Ops.


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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:45 pm

BN747 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvfsmj3C1m4

The longest action footage of a Braniff International Boeing 747-1230B operating a run into Boston's Logan International Airport.



AWESOME video !!
I've only seen a very few pics of Braniff 747's at Logan ... now you post a video !!

TW870 wrote:
Where did BN park at Logan? If this is during the brief period with all of the longhaul, they must have needed a ton of gates.


Braniff operated out of the John A Volpe International Terminal (now Terminal E)
Here is a map from 1980

http://www.departedflights.com/BOS80.html
 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Sat Jul 13, 2019 7:12 pm

Died and gone to heaven thanks to a Braniff 747

Vintage airplane porn is the best
 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Sat Jul 13, 2019 8:11 pm

deltacto wrote:
BN747 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qvfsmj3C1m4

The longest action footage of a Braniff International Boeing 747-1230B operating a run into Boston's Logan International Airport.



AWESOME video !!
I've only seen a very few pics of Braniff 747's at Logan ... now you post a video !!

TW870 wrote:
Where did BN park at Logan? If this is during the brief period with all of the longhaul, they must have needed a ton of gates.


Braniff operated out of the John A Volpe International Terminal (now Terminal E)
Here is a map from 1980

http://www.departedflights.com/BOS80.html


Hey, you gotta put rare stuff like this out there for all to see!
Anyhow, I'm doing my best to trackdown Northeast Yellow bird footage, I have some but I think I can do better...I even scored a Northeast CV-880, but it was black and white and really crappy footage. I did not wear the 'yellow' scheme ..it had stripes along the fuselage.

Thanks for that map link!

BN747DFWHNL wrote:
Died and gone to heaven thanks to a Braniff 747

Vintage airplane porn is the best


Absolutely...more to come!

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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:19 am

cschleic wrote:
I recall seeing one of them in SEA. It was mostly silver with a stripe on it and Braniff slapped on.


Would've been the leased 747 from AA. Had to admit it did look pretty good in that livery.
 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:49 am

Perhaps that was Captain Len Morgan in the left hand seat? He was one of my favourite writers in a popular aviation magazine back in the early '80s.
 
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Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:58 am

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Perhaps that was Captain Len Morgan in the left hand seat? He was one of my favourite writers in a popular aviation magazine back in the early '80s.



Len Morgan’s articles in ‘ Flying’ magazine were the best, there’s been a couple of airline pilots write a monthly article since then and they’re not bad but not up to
Len’s standard


Unfortunately the quality of the magazine itself has gone down significantly in the
last few years, there’s still some good contributors but several of the best seem to have left


The flight ‘tests’ are particularly disappointing with scant or completely inaccurate technical details


Btw Len Morgan wrote a book titled ‘view from the cockpit’
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:53 am

bravotango75 wrote:
modernArt wrote:
bravotango75 wrote:
Had no idea that Braniff had a large presence at BOS.


Even at its height, it wasn't much. In the summer of 79 Braniff eked out about 10 daily flights...one of which was the B747 to Europe.

Here's the centerfold of June 1, 79 timetable. BN flew n/s to DFW, DCA, DTW, MEM, EWR, JFK, MCI, PHL and BNA

Image

Wow.......No wonder they went bankrupt.

I don't see LGA listed when did service end there/
 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Sun Jul 14, 2019 2:48 pm

Nice video, although the watermark was distracting.

Someone with more airliner knowledge than me- why did they remove the cap over the nose once it was parked? Or was it covered?
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:58 pm

Friarboy wrote:
Someone with more airliner knowledge than me- why did they remove the cap over the nose once it was parked? Or was it covered?


I wonder if that’s not a different aircraft. The one taxiing in had an orange radome, the last shot being one with a black radome.

(Unless there were a maintenance issue, there’d be no reason to swap them).
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:31 pm

longhauler wrote:
Friarboy wrote:
Someone with more airliner knowledge than me- why did they remove the cap over the nose once it was parked? Or was it covered?


I wonder if that’s not a different aircraft. The one taxiing in had an orange radome, the last shot being one with a black radome.


I believe you are right. Beyond the nose look, there are several details that lead me to think it's N610BN in the last shot. It has an orange tail but without the yellow line and its engines cowlings appear to be unpainted. If so N610BN is a -130 while the -230B is N611BN.

 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:35 am

modernArt wrote:
bravotango75 wrote:
Had no idea that Braniff had a large presence at BOS.


Even at its height, it wasn't much. In the summer of 79 Braniff eked out about 10 daily flights...one of which was the B747 to Europe.

Here's the centerfold of June 1, 79 timetable. BN flew n/s to DFW, DCA, DTW, MEM, EWR, JFK, MCI, PHL and BNA

Image


The route map suggests BN flew DFW-ELP... That’s strange because I don’t believe BN ever flew to ELP :?:
 
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Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:03 am

SCFlyer wrote:
cschleic wrote:
I recall seeing one of them in SEA. It was mostly silver with a stripe on it and Braniff slapped on.


Would've been the leased 747 from AA. Had to admit it did look pretty good in that livery.


Just scored a decent clip of the red-stripe silver Braniff 747 on a takeoff roll from DFW, will post it soon.


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