x1234
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When did CX start JFK via Vancouver!?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:07 pm

When did CX start JFK via Vancouver!? I've been searching but couldn't find any. I believe it was the 1990's but I'm trying to find the history of CX888/889.
 
x1234
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Re: When did CX start JFK via Vancouver!?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:19 pm

July 1st 1996 according to the NYTimes: https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/12/busi ... -here.html

MAN I AM OLD!
 
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Re: When did CX start JFK via Vancouver!?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:24 pm

x1234 wrote:
July 1st 1996 according to the NYTimes: https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/12/busi ... -here.html

MAN I AM OLD!


Correct. And the routing was due to no aircraft available then that could perform HKG-JFK-HKG nonstop (without a significant payload restriction). Cathay did not have long range 777-200ERs at the time and the 747-400 had to take significant payload restrictions to perform it, as UA learned the hard way with their short-lived JFK-HKG nonstop launched and withdrawn in 2001.
 
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Re: When did CX start JFK via Vancouver!?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:25 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
Correct. And the routing was due to no aircraft available then that could perform HKG-JFK-HKG nonstop (without a significant payload restriction). Cathay did not have long range 777-200ERs at the time and the 747-400 had to take significant payload restrictions to perform it, as UA learned the hard way with their short-lived JFK-HKG nonstop launched and withdrawn in 2001.


And even when CX first flew HKG-JFK non-stop as a response to CO and UA, they have to use specially configured A343 with a lot more business seats (60 vs. 38) than their "standard" A343 back then.

As for CX888/889 - it's also crazy that it was able to stand the test of time. Those demand up front means the flight is here to stay despite the fact that CX now fly 4 non-stops on HKG-NYC (3 JFK, 1 EWR).
 
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Re: When did CX start JFK via Vancouver!?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:41 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
As for CX888/889 - it's also crazy that it was able to stand the test of time. Those demand up front means the flight is here to stay despite the fact that CX now fly 4 non-stops on HKG-NYC (3 JFK, 1 EWR).


:o

A quick check just now showed that all 3 JFK flights are on 77Ws. Having done the roundtrip on 744s from JFK to HKG via YVR in March 1999 while enroute to MNL, I find this fact impressive. I still fondly recall the trip since it was my first TPAC trip and I was a kid in college at the time. B-HOR westbound and B-HOX back; the latter I was thrilled to see still had the old CX livery with the green/white horizontal bars across the vert stab.
Jack @ AUS
 
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Re: When did CX start JFK via Vancouver!?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:01 pm

Cathay first flew via Vancouver because the 747 could not do it with a decent payload nonstop.
 
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Re: When did CX start JFK via Vancouver!?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:04 pm

zakuivcustom wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
Correct. And the routing was due to no aircraft available then that could perform HKG-JFK-HKG nonstop (without a significant payload restriction). Cathay did not have long range 777-200ERs at the time and the 747-400 had to take significant payload restrictions to perform it, as UA learned the hard way with their short-lived JFK-HKG nonstop launched and withdrawn in 2001.


And even when CX first flew HKG-JFK non-stop as a response to CO and UA, they have to use specially configured A343 with a lot more business seats (60 vs. 38) than their "standard" A343 back then.

As for CX888/889 - it's also crazy that it was able to stand the test of time. Those demand up front means the flight is here to stay despite the fact that CX now fly 4 non-stops on HKG-NYC (3 JFK, 1 EWR).


The reason the Cathay A340 had 60 Business Class seats plus 8 First Class is because it was an A340-600, not the -300, which is more common. Cathay leased three A346 planes specifically for the JFK route so they could fly nonstop. This was before Cathay went big into 77W for their main intercontinental plane.
 
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Re: When did CX start JFK via Vancouver!?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:19 pm

jfk777 wrote:
Cathay first flew via Vancouver because the 747 could not do it with a decent payload nonstop.


What 747? Didn't CX have -400s back in 1996?
 
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Re: When did CX start JFK via Vancouver!?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:21 pm

jfk777 wrote:
zakuivcustom wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
Correct. And the routing was due to no aircraft available then that could perform HKG-JFK-HKG nonstop (without a significant payload restriction). Cathay did not have long range 777-200ERs at the time and the 747-400 had to take significant payload restrictions to perform it, as UA learned the hard way with their short-lived JFK-HKG nonstop launched and withdrawn in 2001.


And even when CX first flew HKG-JFK non-stop as a response to CO and UA, they have to use specially configured A343 with a lot more business seats (60 vs. 38) than their "standard" A343 back then.

As for CX888/889 - it's also crazy that it was able to stand the test of time. Those demand up front means the flight is here to stay despite the fact that CX now fly 4 non-stops on HKG-NYC (3 JFK, 1 EWR).


The reason the Cathay A340 had 60 Business Class seats plus 8 First Class is because it was an A340-600, not the -300, which is more common. Cathay leased three A346 planes specifically for the JFK route so they could fly nonstop. This was before Cathay went big into 77W for their main intercontinental plane.


CX did actually especially configure 3 343s to start HKG-JFK non stop, pretty sure this was delayed due 9/11 and the route didn’t start until later in 200/ when the 346 arrived. Those 3 343 had 8F 60J 125Y, they were in that configuration for a while and flew other routes in the meantime.
 
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Re: When did CX start JFK via Vancouver!?

Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:23 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
Cathay first flew via Vancouver because the 747 could not do it with a decent payload nonstop.


What 747? Didn't CX have -400s back in 1996?


I think you misread, the 744 couldn’t do HKG-JFK non stop so the initial service was via YVR and started in 1996 with a 744. YVR was actually served non stop with a 742 from around 1983. The first 744 arrived at CX in 1989.
 
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Re: When did CX start JFK via Vancouver!?

Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:44 am

YVR was quite a little CX hub for the US. I flew CX roundtrip SFO-YVR on 747-200's for Expo '86.

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