mxaxai
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New Boeing Eco Demonstrator 772

Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:55 am


Boeing recently bought and repainted a 772 from Air China that will be used as 'Eco Demonstrator'. What is it supposed to test?
Among the technologies being tested on this year's ecoDemonstrator program are:

- Sharing digital information between air traffic control, the flight deck and an airline's operations center to optimize routing efficiency and safety.
- An electronic flight bag application that uses next-generation communications to automatically provide rerouting information to pilots when weather conditions warrant.
- Connected cabin technologies that make galleys and lavatories smart, and monitor cabin conditions such as temperature and humidity to facilitate automatic adjustments.
- Cameras to provide more passengers with a view outside the airplane.


meh ... not much 'Eco' in this demonstrator. At least nothing particularly groundbreaking. I had been hoping for something along the lines of Airbus' laminar flow testbed / Flight Lab.


Interestingly
The flights will include a trip to Frankfurt Airport in Germany, where the ecoDemonstrator's technology mission will be presented to government officials, industry representatives and STEM students to help inspire the next generation in aerospace leadership.

Is German government funding being used for Boeing research?
 
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Re: New Boeing Eco Demonstrator 772

Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:03 am

Not groundbreaking leaps there. Especially cameras to look around (which have been around for years and I’m unclear on how they help the environment)

I agree with the comment about he A340, seems a higher risk strategy which potentially higher returns.
 
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Re: New Boeing Eco Demonstrator 772

Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:27 pm

There must be more to it than is being let on. Seems like an awful lot of expenditure and effort otherwise.
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Re: New Boeing Eco Demonstrator 772

Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:51 pm

Many organisations have tried to make the navigation process more efficient through various means...

At the end of the day, all the fancy communication and ad-hoc rerouting capabilities are no help when navigating overcrowded airspace, terminal areas and airports and going through countries with little interest in making their airspace more efficient. If anything, navigating the globe has become less efficient over time. Cruising at optimum levels is increasingly difficult when several airlines are flying the same routes at the same time with the same aircraft. direct routings are increasingly refused due to traffic, lack of any craps to give, or obscure political reasons. Optimum descent profiles, once al the rage, are almost unheard of nowadays at most major airports.

Real efficiency gains will only be achieved when civil aviation authorities start freeing up their airspaces, move away from the rigid airways system and employ the technology that allows them to do so effectively and safely.
A few countries, such as Germany, are trying to do just that by effectively removing high altitude airways over their airspace and allowing direct-to RNAV routings (which might be why they seem to have an interest in this project).
In most of the rest of the World, however, political issues and lack of funds/interest will tend to prevent the forward thinking required to achieve those improvements.

There's little that can be done anymore at the airline / manufacturer level anymore (other than engine/airframe efficiency gains). The air/ground communication capability is pretty much already there.

But hey... smart toilets. :highfive:
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Re: New Boeing Eco Demonstrator 772

Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:31 pm

Francoflier wrote:
Real efficiency gains will only be achieved when civil aviation authorities start freeing up their airspaces, move away from the rigid airways system and employ the technology that allows them to do so effectively and safely.
A few countries, such as Germany, are trying to do just that by effectively removing high altitude airways over their airspace and allowing direct-to RNAV routings (which might be why they seem to have an interest in this project).
In most of the rest of the World, however, political issues and lack of funds/interest will tend to prevent the forward thinking required to achieve those improvements.


The US has been doing this for 30 years.

The more ridiculous example would be the amount of NDB's still in use in Europe and abroad.
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Re: New Boeing Eco Demonstrator 772

Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:50 pm

Why eco?
 
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Re: New Boeing Eco Demonstrator 772

Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:48 pm

mxaxai wrote:
Interestingly
The flights will include a trip to Frankfurt Airport in Germany, where the ecoDemonstrator's technology mission will be presented to government officials, industry representatives and STEM students to help inspire the next generation in aerospace leadership.

Is German government funding being used for Boeing research?

It sounds like there in a relevant conference/event occurring in Frankfurt that Boeing feels would be appropriate for this demonstrator to visit. It doesn’t sound like an event Boeing is setting up specifically for this plane.
 
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Re: New Boeing Eco Demonstrator 772

Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:13 pm

mxaxai wrote:
Is German government funding being used for Boeing research?


Doesn't Airbus have access to NASA research?

But what is the source of the information used for this thread?
 
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Re: New Boeing Eco Demonstrator 772

Sun Jul 14, 2019 8:25 pm

mham001 wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
Is German government funding being used for Boeing research?


Doesn't Airbus have access to NASA research?

But what is the source of the information used for this thread?

Sorry for forgetting the source. It's this Boeing press release: https://boeing.mediaroom.com/2019-07-01 ... g-test-bed

I've never heard of a joint Airbus - NASA project outside of human spaceflight and space research.
 
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Re: New Boeing Eco Demonstrator 772

Sun Jul 14, 2019 11:58 pm

All consumer products that’s have those different smart features are labeled and accepted as “eco” or “efficient”, makes sense airplanes and their systems/features would be too.
 
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Re: New Boeing Eco Demonstrator 772

Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:58 pm

Not exactly new we had one at FedEx as well

https://about.van.fedex.com/blog/boeing ... onstrator/
 
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Re: New Boeing Eco Demonstrator 772

Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:19 pm

Maybe they will demolish it in the end like with the 757? Further, not that interesting.

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